@@donpablo8459 he actually continued to state it was Wright's fault day's after the crash, and Jumbo visma backing him up. Even though the images were clear and so is his track record of going down. I do agree he is generally a calm looking guy but he's certainly not as much an angel as everyone makes him and Remco isn't the devil everyone sees in him either.
@@messifan1065 The mistake of launching too early, especially when the fatigue isn't there from a hard stage, like what was the case in stage 3. Remco did the better w/kg of the 2, Roglic just has a better punch (or he should at least) and Remco started the sprint too early, 300m is a very long sprint uphill (even on the flat it is on the long end).
@@MDP1702 He was trying to avoid the sprint, isn't it obvious? Because his sprint is worse than Roglic's...therefore he was trying to gap him before the pure sprint like he did successfully on stage 3. There is no way that a pro rider launches his actual sprint 300m on a 8% climb, that would be a mistake that your sunday rider makes.
My two favorite riders both won today, whoo-hoo! Since I seem to have God's ear I put in a request for Bernal to get in the break tomorrow and solo to a stage win.
@@AndrezzSpideyzzz misstatement in your comment: I have never spoiled anything about roglic, I admire no racer more than him. He himself and luck have done all the spoiling
Tour will either be a massive battle between several riders close on time and all willing to risk everything to win, or it will be a snooze fest with everyone waiting until end of week 2 / week 3 to do anything. I am more hopeful for the Giro for sure!
has cycling always been this exciting at the start of the season? im a casual viewer, mostly because slovenians are doing so well, but im ending up enjoying every single race where roglič/pogačar/mohorič participate this season haha
Cycling in general has become so much more exciting the last 3-5 years. Couple of reasons: Ineos/Sky (the richest team by far) now has less than twice the budget of other teams. Other teams are no longer completely outgunned. Individual riders, such as van Aert and var der Poel, have stirred the pot, showing that high risk moves can pay off. This has inspired more riders. Teams are getting more creative with tactics, looking for every opportunity to gain an advantage. No more waiting for the big teams to make a move. We have several GC superstars battling for glory, and they come with different qualities, so they need to gain time on "their" stages.
I think theres a important information regarding the preparation for the giro and Vuelta of Catalunya. Between Almeida, Roglic , and Renco only Renco has done a Altitude training a week or 2 before this vuelta. Neither Almeida or Roglic has done in he past month so probably Almeida and Roglic have a higher cealing to progress until giro ? Whats your thoughts ? Do you think that can indicate something ? In my opinion Roglic form will progress the most of the 3. Cheers Mate keep the gr8 work !!!!
Roglic has done an altitude camp in january/february (at least in february he was reported to be at Tenerife, around the same time as the other JV riders), likely even a longer one than Remco if he followed the same schedule as the remainder of JV somewhat. The same for Almeida, he did already do an altitude camp too I believe, though I can't directly find about him specifically, I just remember something said about Pogacar not having done altitude camp yet unlike most others on his team. Also Remco did something like 2 weeks before this, that is the time it takes to only really start to notice the effects, full effects are something after 4-6 weeks, which is why they planned to do another 2-3 weeks after this. Considering this performance was well above Roglic's normal peak performances, it is hard to believe he'll improve a lot after this. I think he's much closer to his peak than many seem to think. Definitely around his '22 vuelta level (imo possibly even better). Though he'll likely go to altitude camp again after this, so some improvement is possible (even if just to top it off again a bit)
@@ady38 I don't think they go too deep, there is still around 5-6 weeks to go after this and it will be a good prep. Most other giro contenders are here too, also going deep. Only G doesn't seem to go deep, though that is likely more from not being in good shape.
@@MDP1702 you could be right, but the risk in pushing so hard now is that they peak too early..we've seen it many times before. Also there's increasing evidence that less intense riding leading up to a big event improves performance.. Either way it'll be very interesting to see how it unfolds hey..I love the Giro!
@@ady38 Maybe, but imo this is more like hard training sessions. I feel like Remco isn't going fully in the red, except in the sprints, which shouldn't have lasting damage. He also took the Teide strava KOM, which also will have required a hard effort. And again, in this case nearly all giro favorites are here doing more or less the same high efforts. I think only Vlasov and Arensman are absent (neither of which I see as top spot contenders). Even if Roglic and Remco get a blowback, at worst they'll likely be on the same level as the others imo.
"Celebrating is when you didn't expect to win." That's an interesting way to look at it, kinda true probably, and makes Roglic seem ice cold. 🥶😆 LR is the best!
First we critize Remco for pacing Primoz the whole way, then he does not and we critize Remco for stoping the pace. The guy can't do anything good. Remco is still learning what he is capable of and what racing is all about. We tend to forget he is still a 'broekie' as we Dutch call it. And of course Primoz rides this way, it is the best way that suits him. I found it really interesting that Remco first said that Primoz made him start the sprint too early and then he says he is learning a lot from riding against him, that he is/was a big fan of Primoz and that Primoz is the best grand tour rider of the last couple of years, which I find an interesting statement, which I do agree, although the last two year three other guys are fastly getting there also. It is a huge advantage for Jonas to have Primoz on the team.
Evenepoel is overcheered by his fans and overcriticized by a lot of people... It becomes very toxic to speak about him, which is sad because there's a lot to talk about. I'm fully agree with you, he's still young so it's normal that he made mistakes. I don't see any problem for him to pace on the climbs. Last year on Vuelta he has made explode his opponents like this, and on La Molina it was a little bit the same. Huge pace by his team and huge pace from himself on perfect gradient for him. Today I think he made two mistakes. The sprint of course but for me, that's an understable mistake... so close to the line, is easy to lost your lucidity... and I think that Roglic was the best today. Meanwhile, his biggest mistake for me is when Almeida attack, he better have let Roglic do his job. Put the pressure on him "you're the leader, if I am 2 or 3 no matter, go on him" but he follows cause he wants the stage. For me, it would be more clever to let Roglic do the job. I don't think that have change a lot the result but for the future he must understand a little bit better this moments in my opinion. Like Pogacar, he's so strong that maybe he lacks a little bit of tactics sometimes, mindgame... but at 23 is logic too. The last two stages will be great... I think that even today's one... there are some opportunities. And Roglic's team is not there for the moment.
You answer your own question, he get critics for one reason or another, because he is still young and needs to learn the timmings. Sometimes the race ask you to pace, others ask you to not pace, plus the viewer also have a different opinion depending on the outcome, as i'm sure the riders after seeing the results think they could've done things different. And remco ,imo, had a "bad" spotlight to soon called lefevere, he didnt protect him enough to than unleash him... and a lot of critics are still from that times, because he may be young, but he is not a prospect rider anymore, he already his one of the best in the world. Primoz have another maturity, he already won a lot but also lost a lot "that was his already ", and even the team he is, already lost a lot by small mistakes or because the wanting to keep pushing all the time, so we saw primoz being "smart" against the "naive" remco. I agree that vingegaard has a huge advantage in having primoz on the team, but i think that both are where they are because of the team. Jumbo is the The Team right now (sky/ineos and jumbo last 10 years can really set roles to the riders and they give it all on that roles).
Biggest issue for Remco's experience.is that he's a football player gone cyclist. It still really shows that he can sometimes fall for the silliest tricks as a rider. He wasn't raised through the normal rider ranks
It's not like there are 2 options, there are more. Sit back when strategically possible. Otherwise pace, accelerate when needed, time your sprint for exactly all remaining energy left.
@@SomeBadStuff999 Ooh I was one of the first to point out has tactical mistakes all week. No worries. I am not saying you are not allowed to criticise. I am just amazed that there is this whole spectrum around Remco. From almost religious worship to unending criticism and bordering on statements about his so called bad character. It is amazing. Everybody seems to find something in him to relate to. 😃
Evenepoel better save energy during the giro or he will be cooked that third week, he gotta play the long term battles and not tow people around and save the sprint bursts, yeah giro going to be a good one, thanks LR for the work
I predict a Remco long solo attempt tomorrow, full send with the team up the cat 2 and decent attack in the last 20km at least for bonus seconds at the sprint point? he won't be happy Roglic got the better of him
Yeah, he really has nothing to lose by trying at this point. So I hope he does. It will need to come as a surprise though since he'll need some initial seperation. So maybe have his team make the race hard, do a fake attack like he can't get away, sit up and wait a bit, and then go again a bit later.
Considering he did his best w/kg ever, I don't think his engine broke, more that some others performed well above expectation and Remco messed up the sprint: 300m uphill full is deadly for most riders, considering Remco has just "gotten" his punch, that distance was definitely too much for him. I think Roglic' faint worked handsomly here making Remco think Roglic was on the limit.
Soler had to the lowest possible help For Almeida. Has Soler any friends On the UAE team?! Must be an aqwark Feeling in the team bus! Are Soler on Jumbo Visma next year? Rides if that Are gooing to happened. Strong per- Formace from Roglic😜🔝❤️
i cannot see how soler pushing the pace when almieda JUST GOT BACK to remco and rogla helps him at all. i really need you to explain that statement please.
Uae should have done a reverse leadout when soler was pacing but still, chapeux to soler for pacing for Almeida. Does Almeida need a harder stage before the last climb so that his tactic of pacing himself works better?
Remco nearly got in the top 25 best (known) w/kg performances today? Current day opposition is one of the reasons Merckx isn't expected by many to do as great today vs his palmares from the past.
He lacks the sprinting experience since he didn't really have one in the past, this is why he often had to secure GC in a TT in the past or by a solo attack on a hilly/flatter stage when facing good climbers. This Catalunya is a great learning experience for him towards the giro (and after).
yesterday I thought Remco is just unbeatable even by a superstar like Roglic - and I thought it must be so depressing for all the other riders. So I was happy to see that at least Roglic can still beat him - congrats Primoz!! And to me as well - the big 4 GC riders are Remco, Roglic, Pogacar and Vingegaard. So Lets see what happens - one can never be sure - they are also human after all.
Almeida’s performance needs wider praise. Vallter stage, this stage. Imagine if he started both climbs on Roglic’s wheel and didn’t have to close the gaps he did. 10’ would a minimum.
remco is definitely getting better at these long climbs, but he’s nowhere near the level of 3 week grand tour riders. this was a fantastic stage. last 4km were edge of the seat stuff
He's already at their level, all he's missing is the uphill kick which Roglic and Pogacar are famous for. As things stand, Remco might have a better punch than almost all other top GC riders, which is crazy considering he had no real kick to speak of 2 years ago.
Maybe not Pogacar, Roglic and Vingegaard. But he's already won the Vuelta and has already shown he can stand his own on the long climbs. And nowhere near the level of ALL the good gc riders? What? To say he's nowhere near their level , is ridiculous
@@VoLcKEA1 The climbing level he's shown suggests he might be able to compete against the ones you mentioned too. I think the main thing Pogacar and Roglic are really still better at is their kick, as get shown here. Take away Roglic's kick and Remco might have won every stage here so far except for yesterdays sprintstage. In terms of climbing, TT, ... he should be competitive against them. The only real thing people think might be a weakness is a hard 3rd week, but that is mostly due to a lack of proof for a strong 3rd week, then proof against it. Most things suggest it shouldn't be a problem imo.
Almeida and Soler didn't appear to play the cards right. If they conserved energy better; maybe they could have won the race. It didn't happen that way.
So excited for the giro. Rog ain't in top shape yet either and remcos only gonna get better. Edit: also why is Thomas' form always so bad after the off season.
Hanging in the wheel the of remco the whole time roglic won ! for sure this was a great prestation of Roglic, he was the only one who could follow Remco. Its fantastic Roglic didnt celebrate this victory , and he knows why ;-) , Roglic was alreddy happy he was the only one who could keep Remco's wheels . The horse who did all the work didnt get the food.
Roglic used the R5 today, just like last time when beat Evenepoel, when ho lost he used the S5. He usually use the R5 maybe he is more in harmony with that bike.
He uses different bikes depending on terrain. Remco is faster on flatter stages, where you'll see Roglic on the S5. That doesn't say anything bad about the S5, just Remco is faster on that terrain (by a little bit)
Dear laterne Rouge, Remco was still building up his condition ! Do you remember who won the vuelta ? I think it was not Roglic it was Remco. As I see it, this title is a little bit misplased. But I know , a good title is needed to gain vieuwers ;-). So I suppose you know Remco is riding now to build up his form ! BTW you better should watch out for Cian , he is a future tour winner. He just became 19 years old and ended 10 in the pro peleton . Just 20 second behind landa
why was soler attacking at all in the last 3 kms? he had zero chance of anything, and almieda was behind. i love soler (or i used to), but i cannot figure out how to keep doing so when i cant make sense of anything he does now. yes he was incredibly strong, but attacking remco and rogla is a 100% fail.
the way almeida climbs is just so "hard" to watch. if you like him you're like where did he go ? can he do the usually and appear out of thin air ? and if you don't want him there, you're like where did he came ? he wasnt one of the first to stay out ? but than you have the slovenians pure amazing riding lessons right left and center, amaging surges when its needed but we saw cleared the diference in experience beteween remco and primoz. The portuguese "problem" with soler seems more like a UAE tactics/roles problem, the only leader you have secure is pog... the rest is a battle of ego's, but soler deserved so much the 4th place on gc today . Also imo soler never should've drop on the other stage, only yates could be questioned because of the gc position... (annd even there we go back to team tactics and check why they dont believe almeida could've come back, and yates stayed to "protec " soler , wich not even that he did)
Remco imploded in the sprint against Roglic (who did a one of his best ever performances) by going from too far, that is no shame. If anything this climb shows Remco's consistency and improvement towards the Giro.
@@LanterneRougeCycling Dude I did not like your blender comments as if Remco was the second coming of Eddy and when Primoz cracked him today the comments were much more subdued.
He's 23 and lacks sprinting xp, he'll learn. What the real take away is here, is Roglic way above expected performance. Really showing he isn't far from his peak shape, else he wouldn't be able to do a performance like this. That or he's going to be at peak EPO levels of climbing by the giro, which is ofcourse very unlikely.
@@MDP1702 primoz still managed to perform like this last year at the paris nice and criterium even before peaking for the tdf, won dauphine even though he got injured at itzulia and was just recovering and people were already making assumptions jonas was WAY ABOVE primoz already. Also there is no way youu are comparing primoz to his vuelta 2022 shape, he just came from a crash and barely did some training unlike remco who had a proper training for la vuelta. arent you making a lot of assumptions for primoz? you seem convinced hes close to his ceiling. Remember he did a bad TT at tirreno yet still won the race.
@@AndrezzSpideyzzz This was likely better than Paris-Nice or criterium last year imo, though not necessarily easy to compare considering different circumstances. I did defend Roglic' chances at the TdF last year before his crash. He still carried over some TdF shape and while he didn't have a good preparation, that isn't really the first time we see him go into a vuelta with subpar preparation after a failed/crashed out TdF. We can look at his performances in last year vuelta vs normally. His performances at last year vuelta were under his normal peak level, but not be a lot, ranging somewhere between 0,3-0,1w/kg on average. If he has that shape currently, he has a some improvement margin, but then so should Remco with altitude training reaching full potential after 4-6 weeks (only 2-2,5 now) and still being a bit too heavy. He did a bad TT while starting at a bad time weather wise, only 2-3 riders did better in similar weather. And this for his first race isn't bad at all. He won the race with boni seconds and might have been lucky in that mountain stage, though seeing how he does here, it might have been more tactical then we'd guessed back then.
@@MDP1702 i do agree remco has the better numbers but i do disagree roglic being close to his ceilign here but i wont discuss more of that. let us find our answers at the giro.
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"No risk. No glory. No celebration" - Roglic
😂
correeect
Please tell WVA this !
He did celebrate after, he posted a video on his channel why he doesn't celebrate on the finish line.
@@bojandolinar1535 where can I find this video?
Roglic is my favorite rider. Cool, calm, collected and humble.
Did you see his ridiculous statement when HE crashed into Fred Wright in the Vuelta? No, he's not humble and collected
@@briangoossens1519 yeah but most of the time he is. I think he actually thought he was doing right in that crash even if he clearly wasn't at all.
@@donpablo8459 he actually continued to state it was Wright's fault day's after the crash, and Jumbo visma backing him up. Even though the images were clear and so is his track record of going down. I do agree he is generally a calm looking guy but he's certainly not as much an angel as everyone makes him and Remco isn't the devil everyone sees in him either.
@@briangoossens1519 found the Remco fanboy
I do feel more excited for the Giro than other years, these 2 are gonna bring it
Remco won't make that mistake again😂
This is the total opposite of a Sky train.
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 What mistake? The mistake of being weaker on the climb?
@@messifan1065 The mistake of launching too early, especially when the fatigue isn't there from a hard stage, like what was the case in stage 3.
Remco did the better w/kg of the 2, Roglic just has a better punch (or he should at least) and Remco started the sprint too early, 300m is a very long sprint uphill (even on the flat it is on the long end).
@@MDP1702 He was trying to avoid the sprint, isn't it obvious? Because his sprint is worse than Roglic's...therefore he was trying to gap him before the pure sprint like he did successfully on stage 3. There is no way that a pro rider launches his actual sprint 300m on a 8% climb, that would be a mistake that your sunday rider makes.
I love Roglic's style in a sprint. He's always grinding a hard gear, but he makes it look so easy on the eye, in the drops, Pantani-style!
As long as that’s the only thing he’s doing Pantani style…
Primoz core-stability Roglic
Bro take the top cyclists for how they are, it has always been one way and it still is the same way, amen.
Not gonna lie, I giggled on the "if the climb was 20km long, Almeida wins by 10min" 😅
I had to stop the video at that point hahahahhah
😂😂
Crazy to see remco explode in the last 50m, roglic really baited him hard. Still think remco is in pretty crazy shape for the giro.
Roglic cold blooded, amazing to see his form this year!
Great job by Primoz!
Another great video. "Balotelli approved celebration" really got me hahahhaha
6 seconds in 2 seconds….. that’s why we love your descriptions ❤
Wow I have never seen a leg blow up like this.
The age difference of 10 years comes into play here big time.
What a day for TJV!
Rog is an absolute shark for that move. Experience wins the day
Being Portuguese really marc soler deserves a round of applause from us! 🚴🏼♂👏👏👏👏
Can’t believe Roglia put 6 seconds into Remco in only 100m
Primoz looks so strong and 100% focused for me. Perfect pacing shown by him.
Roglaaaaaa yaaaaaasas! Best Guy in cycling.
Favorite Rider. love the Rogla
My two favorite riders both won today, whoo-hoo!
Since I seem to have God's ear I put in a request for Bernal to get in the break tomorrow and solo to a stage win.
Nice.
2 times a case of equally strong riders but the smartest won ( rare for Wout)
1:29 Gino! RIP
Roglic rounding into form first really big climb in race conditions following shoulder surgery bodes well for the Giro
Roglic has to be one of the most likeable from the GC guys.
Rogla in assassin mode
Correct. But now perhaps
Crash time
@@paulsolon6229 dont spoil it, let the man have his season
@@AndrezzSpideyzzz misstatement in your comment: I have never spoiled anything about roglic, I admire no racer more than him.
He himself and luck have done all the spoiling
@@paulsolon6229 i was once gambling and my friend did your same statement but in the context of gambling, next 3 turns i lost my money.
@@AndrezzSpideyzzz so?
Are you really that superstitious w a name like Muhammad?
Amazingly smart from rog ; chapeau
Anyone else more excited for the Giro than Tour this year?
Tour will either be a massive battle between several riders close on time and all willing to risk everything to win, or it will be a snooze fest with everyone waiting until end of week 2 / week 3 to do anything. I am more hopeful for the Giro for sure!
No, I'm rarely excited about upcoming events, but I do enjoy the hell out the things that I like. So, yeah I will enjoy this year's Giro very much!
I'm hoping the Tour will be the Wout van Aert show for the first week just like last year. =D
I'm always more excited about the Giro than the Tour.
Every year, honestly.
cycling in a golden era atm
Primoz is back baby
🔥 ALMEIDA 🔥 It's so good to see our boy with these legs, not only bridging across but even throwing in a little attacc there at the end 🔥Força João!!
Almeida winning by 10min? You thought you could sneak that in?
Just maths
Lol
I guess you missed some maths classes
iudex non calculat 😉
In Portuguese we call it the “Almeidada”
Nice victory from Primoz. Schooled Remco for sure.
has cycling always been this exciting at the start of the season? im a casual viewer, mostly because slovenians are doing so well, but im ending up enjoying every single race where roglič/pogačar/mohorič participate this season haha
Not really imo.
Cycling in general has become so much more exciting the last 3-5 years.
Couple of reasons:
Ineos/Sky (the richest team by far) now has less than twice the budget of other teams. Other teams are no longer completely outgunned.
Individual riders, such as van Aert and var der Poel, have stirred the pot, showing that high risk moves can pay off. This has inspired more riders.
Teams are getting more creative with tactics, looking for every opportunity to gain an advantage. No more waiting for the big teams to make a move.
We have several GC superstars battling for glory, and they come with different qualities, so they need to gain time on "their" stages.
It also helps that we have coverage of most races via gcn+ and channels like this to do post-mortem races dissections 😬
New doctors.
If this wasn't a "not just yet, boy" from Roglic😂
Čestitke(Bravo) Primož Roglič SLOVENIJA.
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I think theres a important information regarding the preparation for the giro and Vuelta of Catalunya. Between Almeida, Roglic , and Renco only Renco has done a Altitude training a week or 2 before this vuelta. Neither Almeida or Roglic has done in he past month so probably Almeida and Roglic have a higher cealing to progress until giro ? Whats your thoughts ? Do you think that can indicate something ? In my opinion Roglic form will progress the most of the 3. Cheers Mate keep the gr8 work !!!!
Roglic has done an altitude camp in january/february (at least in february he was reported to be at Tenerife, around the same time as the other JV riders), likely even a longer one than Remco if he followed the same schedule as the remainder of JV somewhat. The same for Almeida, he did already do an altitude camp too I believe, though I can't directly find about him specifically, I just remember something said about Pogacar not having done altitude camp yet unlike most others on his team.
Also Remco did something like 2 weeks before this, that is the time it takes to only really start to notice the effects, full effects are something after 4-6 weeks, which is why they planned to do another 2-3 weeks after this.
Considering this performance was well above Roglic's normal peak performances, it is hard to believe he'll improve a lot after this. I think he's much closer to his peak than many seem to think. Definitely around his '22 vuelta level (imo possibly even better). Though he'll likely go to altitude camp again after this, so some improvement is possible (even if just to top it off again a bit)
In Remco's favour is his younger age so theoretically better recovery..but I wonder if both of him and Roglic are going too deep in this race...
@@ady38 I don't think they go too deep, there is still around 5-6 weeks to go after this and it will be a good prep. Most other giro contenders are here too, also going deep. Only G doesn't seem to go deep, though that is likely more from not being in good shape.
@@MDP1702 you could be right, but the risk in pushing so hard now is that they peak too early..we've seen it many times before. Also there's increasing evidence that less intense riding leading up to a big event improves performance.. Either way it'll be very interesting to see how it unfolds hey..I love the Giro!
@@ady38 Maybe, but imo this is more like hard training sessions. I feel like Remco isn't going fully in the red, except in the sprints, which shouldn't have lasting damage. He also took the Teide strava KOM, which also will have required a hard effort. And again, in this case nearly all giro favorites are here doing more or less the same high efforts. I think only Vlasov and Arensman are absent (neither of which I see as top spot contenders). Even if Roglic and Remco get a blowback, at worst they'll likely be on the same level as the others imo.
If he gets the blue shoes back out the giro is already a formality
3 minutes gained in stage 13, no problem ;)
Very good cover, as usual. The best !
Thank you
"Celebrating is when you didn't expect to win." That's an interesting way to look at it, kinda true probably, and makes Roglic seem ice cold. 🥶😆 LR is the best!
Kudos to Soler for doing his job
3:52 bro trying his best to sprain his ankle
"If the climb was 20k Almeida wins by 10 minutes" One of your funniest joke
next to "hold on... I'm Clement Champoussin!"
well Pantani wasn't that good in sprints, he used to attack early on the climb
I dont get it, please explain!
It isn't a joke bro.
Primoz 🐐
Nice to see ROglic doing well.
Dude you always have some hilarious lines. Best commentary out there
Some respect for Leny Martinez 💪
Roglic looks like he's lost a little weight but kept the power
bravo Primoz roglic grand champion un grand bonheur pour moi ..... vive JUMBO !
Roglic the best !!
First we critize Remco for pacing Primoz the whole way, then he does not and we critize Remco for stoping the pace. The guy can't do anything good. Remco is still learning what he is capable of and what racing is all about. We tend to forget he is still a 'broekie' as we Dutch call it. And of course Primoz rides this way, it is the best way that suits him. I found it really interesting that Remco first said that Primoz made him start the sprint too early and then he says he is learning a lot from riding against him, that he is/was a big fan of Primoz and that Primoz is the best grand tour rider of the last couple of years, which I find an interesting statement, which I do agree, although the last two year three other guys are fastly getting there also. It is a huge advantage for Jonas to have Primoz on the team.
Evenepoel is overcheered by his fans and overcriticized by a lot of people... It becomes very toxic to speak about him, which is sad because there's a lot to talk about. I'm fully agree with you, he's still young so it's normal that he made mistakes. I don't see any problem for him to pace on the climbs. Last year on Vuelta he has made explode his opponents like this, and on La Molina it was a little bit the same. Huge pace by his team and huge pace from himself on perfect gradient for him.
Today I think he made two mistakes. The sprint of course but for me, that's an understable mistake... so close to the line, is easy to lost your lucidity... and I think that Roglic was the best today. Meanwhile, his biggest mistake for me is when Almeida attack, he better have let Roglic do his job. Put the pressure on him "you're the leader, if I am 2 or 3 no matter, go on him" but he follows cause he wants the stage. For me, it would be more clever to let Roglic do the job. I don't think that have change a lot the result but for the future he must understand a little bit better this moments in my opinion. Like Pogacar, he's so strong that maybe he lacks a little bit of tactics sometimes, mindgame... but at 23 is logic too. The last two stages will be great... I think that even today's one... there are some opportunities. And Roglic's team is not there for the moment.
You answer your own question, he get critics for one reason or another, because he is still young and needs to learn the timmings. Sometimes the race ask you to pace, others ask you to not pace, plus the viewer also have a different opinion depending on the outcome, as i'm sure the riders after seeing the results think they could've done things different.
And remco ,imo, had a "bad" spotlight to soon called lefevere, he didnt protect him enough to than unleash him... and a lot of critics are still from that times, because he may be young, but he is not a prospect rider anymore, he already his one of the best in the world.
Primoz have another maturity, he already won a lot but also lost a lot "that was his already ", and even the team he is, already lost a lot by small mistakes or because the wanting to keep pushing all the time, so we saw primoz being "smart" against the "naive" remco.
I agree that vingegaard has a huge advantage in having primoz on the team, but i think that both are where they are because of the team. Jumbo is the The Team right now (sky/ineos and jumbo last 10 years can really set roles to the riders and they give it all on that roles).
Biggest issue for Remco's experience.is that he's a football player gone cyclist. It still really shows that he can sometimes fall for the silliest tricks as a rider.
He wasn't raised through the normal rider ranks
It's not like there are 2 options, there are more.
Sit back when strategically possible. Otherwise pace, accelerate when needed, time your sprint for exactly all remaining energy left.
@@SomeBadStuff999 Ooh I was one of the first to point out has tactical mistakes all week. No worries. I am not saying you are not allowed to criticise. I am just amazed that there is this whole spectrum around Remco. From almost religious worship to unending criticism and bordering on statements about his so called bad character. It is amazing. Everybody seems to find something in him to relate to. 😃
Damn. Remco got schooled.
Evenepoel better save energy during the giro or he will be cooked that third week, he gotta play the long term battles and not tow people around and save the sprint bursts, yeah giro going to be a good one, thanks LR for the work
Roglic doing calculus, Remco doing basic maths.
I love the comment, career performance for Soler, there were no Soler'isms as Chris Horner calls them
6.9 wkg for 23 minutes on the 5th stage of a hard week "not surprising". Good times.
And he sprinted from 300m on an uphill! Primoz not even 100% and still on the process of recovery so yeah! 😂
Remco zigzaging, blocking, cmon 😂
"Just comin back, huh?"
PR 2023
I predict a Remco long solo attempt tomorrow, full send with the team up the cat 2 and decent attack in the last 20km at least for bonus seconds at the sprint point? he won't be happy Roglic got the better of him
Yeah, he really has nothing to lose by trying at this point. So I hope he does.
It will need to come as a surprise though since he'll need some initial seperation. So maybe have his team make the race hard, do a fake attack like he can't get away, sit up and wait a bit, and then go again a bit later.
Yes full send a long way out seems to be Remco’s modus operandi when he wants to make a statement
Good observation
I’m here for the context but also for the jokes, Love yours reviews
Terbaik lah Primo, harap Poggy dan Primo akan memcabar masing2 di LTDF nanti
Beautifully executed strategy
Looks like frequent change of rithm can break Remco's engine. I would like to see how would he perform on Pogačar style of racing.
Considering he did his best w/kg ever, I don't think his engine broke, more that some others performed well above expectation and Remco messed up the sprint: 300m uphill full is deadly for most riders, considering Remco has just "gotten" his punch, that distance was definitely too much for him. I think Roglic' faint worked handsomly here making Remco think Roglic was on the limit.
@@MDP1702 Remco's plan was to distance Roglič and then to celabrate from 50m to the finnish (as on stage 3) ;)
How many times has remco boxed primoz out, 2x or 3x. Crazeeeeeeeee
Soler had to the lowest possible help
For Almeida. Has Soler any friends
On the UAE team?! Must be an aqwark
Feeling in the team bus! Are Soler on
Jumbo Visma next year? Rides if that
Are gooing to happened. Strong per-
Formace from Roglic😜🔝❤️
A lot of sprinters could learn a thing or 2 from Primoz.
i cannot see how soler pushing the pace when almieda JUST GOT BACK to remco and rogla helps him at all. i really need you to explain that statement please.
Nice analysis at the finish. I think you nailed it... Remco got played like a fiddle.
Kind Remco pulls roglic for many ks to the win. Remco sd send a bill for payment to jumbo, good domestique work by Remco
Thank you , bud !
Uae should have done a reverse leadout when soler was pacing but still, chapeux to soler for pacing for Almeida. Does Almeida need a harder stage before the last climb so that his tactic of pacing himself works better?
Patrick where is Remco “Mercx” that you were talking about on Wednesday?
Remco nearly got in the top 25 best (known) w/kg performances today? Current day opposition is one of the reasons Merckx isn't expected by many to do as great today vs his palmares from the past.
Froglic: what you youngings know about this?
Hahaha. For me Roglic is the most meme-able cyclist. Love that guy he's so good for the sport.
Missing the enthusiasm from stage 3 commentary
I think Remco is stronger on paper but his racecraft hasn't been great in this race. Easy win for Roglic who manages to keep his head throughout.
He lacks the sprinting experience since he didn't really have one in the past, this is why he often had to secure GC in a TT in the past or by a solo attack on a hilly/flatter stage when facing good climbers. This Catalunya is a great learning experience for him towards the giro (and after).
i be honest
2016-2017 i thought roglic can only be a stage winner
but see him becoming a GC and one day race winner
glab to see
amazing battle!
yesterday I thought Remco is just unbeatable even by a superstar like Roglic - and I thought it must be so depressing for all the other riders. So I was happy to see that at least Roglic can still beat him - congrats Primoz!! And to me as well - the big 4 GC riders are Remco, Roglic, Pogacar and Vingegaard. So Lets see what happens - one can never be sure - they are also human after all.
for me at the same level pogacar and roglic (but he now is 33 ages -.-) after , vingegard and remco
Balotelli approved celebration hahaha
Can someone please explain "unipuerto stage" meaning?
Basically flat beforehand then a steep climb to finish - “one climb” from Spanish
Great question, great answer 👍
Almeida’s performance needs wider praise. Vallter stage, this stage. Imagine if he started both climbs on Roglic’s wheel and didn’t have to close the gaps he did. 10’ would a minimum.
but almieda was struggling, why should soler get on the front and pull hard? that hurts almieda right?
Yes
As a portuguese fan i'll agree no complaining :P
remco is definitely getting better at these long climbs, but he’s nowhere near the level of 3 week grand tour riders. this was a fantastic stage. last 4km were edge of the seat stuff
He's still in preperation. He is already near their level. Expect another attack gapping everyone followed by consolidation
He's already at their level, all he's missing is the uphill kick which Roglic and Pogacar are famous for. As things stand, Remco might have a better punch than almost all other top GC riders, which is crazy considering he had no real kick to speak of 2 years ago.
Maybe not Pogacar, Roglic and Vingegaard. But he's already won the Vuelta and has already shown he can stand his own on the long climbs. And nowhere near the level of ALL the good gc riders? What?
To say he's nowhere near their level , is ridiculous
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The climbing level he's shown suggests he might be able to compete against the ones you mentioned too. I think the main thing Pogacar and Roglic are really still better at is their kick, as get shown here. Take away Roglic's kick and Remco might have won every stage here so far except for yesterdays sprintstage. In terms of climbing, TT, ... he should be competitive against them.
The only real thing people think might be a weakness is a hard 3rd week, but that is mostly due to a lack of proof for a strong 3rd week, then proof against it. Most things suggest it shouldn't be a problem imo.
You do know the spring classics are in full effect, right?
Is it just me? Remco seems to close on the other riders when approaching the line, forcing them to deviate a lot, or it seems to me.
Almeida and Soler didn't appear to play the cards right. If they conserved energy better; maybe they could have won the race. It didn't happen that way.
So excited for the giro. Rog ain't in top shape yet either and remcos only gonna get better.
Edit: also why is Thomas' form always so bad after the off season.
Wow good job idol
Hanging in the wheel the of remco the whole time roglic won ! for sure this was a great prestation of Roglic, he was the only one who could follow Remco. Its fantastic Roglic didnt celebrate this victory , and he knows why ;-) , Roglic was alreddy happy he was the only one who could keep Remco's wheels . The horse who did all the work didnt get the food.
Top markotop
Roglic used the R5 today, just like last time when beat Evenepoel, when ho lost he used the S5. He usually use the R5 maybe he is more in harmony with that bike.
He uses different bikes depending on terrain. Remco is faster on flatter stages, where you'll see Roglic on the S5. That doesn't say anything bad about the S5, just Remco is faster on that terrain (by a little bit)
Guys, where is the f...... blender?
Dear laterne Rouge, Remco was still building up his condition ! Do you remember who won the vuelta ? I think it was not Roglic it was Remco. As I see it, this title is a little bit misplased. But I know , a good title is needed to gain vieuwers ;-). So I suppose you know Remco is riding now to build up his form ! BTW you better should watch out for Cian , he is a future tour winner. He just became 19 years old and ended 10 in the pro peleton . Just 20 second behind landa
Relax😂
I am cool now , I just was not happy if I saw the title ; See yah@@МаргаритаСтоянова-з7з
BTW this is a verry old message ;-) @@МаргаритаСтоянова-з7з
Roglic gave him the press the wahoo emote
Rogla 😍😍
Your commentary gets better and better. Top notoch
Can u cover the Saxo classic where wout wins?
why was soler attacking at all in the last 3 kms? he had zero chance of anything, and almieda was behind. i love soler (or i used to), but i cannot figure out how to keep doing so when i cant make sense of anything he does now. yes he was incredibly strong, but attacking remco and rogla is a 100% fail.
Soler has a bad attitude problem or maybe his IQ is somewhat under par…
first! Marc Soler should have gone for the stage :(
the way almeida climbs is just so "hard" to watch.
if you like him you're like where did he go ? can he do the usually and appear out of thin air ?
and if you don't want him there, you're like where did he came ? he wasnt one of the first to stay out ?
but than you have the slovenians pure amazing riding lessons right left and center, amaging surges when its needed but we saw cleared the diference in experience beteween remco and primoz.
The portuguese "problem" with soler seems more like a UAE tactics/roles problem, the only leader you have secure is pog... the rest is a battle of ego's, but soler deserved so much the 4th place on gc today .
Also imo soler never should've drop on the other stage, only yates could be questioned because of the gc position... (annd even there we go back to team tactics and check why they dont believe almeida could've come back, and yates stayed to "protec " soler , wich not even that he did)
No blender comment on what Primoz did to remco? broke him!! no Eddy comparison? Funny how your perspective changes when your hero does not perform
Remco imploded...
My part time job is literally to help Roglic win the giro mate, Ive just always been a Remco fan
Remco imploded in the sprint against Roglic (who did a one of his best ever performances) by going from too far, that is no shame. If anything this climb shows Remco's consistency and improvement towards the Giro.
@@LanterneRougeCycling Dude I did not like your blender comments as if Remco was the second coming of Eddy and when Primoz cracked him today the comments were much more subdued.
Looks like the “best cyclist of all time” still has some work to do
He's 23 and lacks sprinting xp, he'll learn.
What the real take away is here, is Roglic way above expected performance. Really showing he isn't far from his peak shape, else he wouldn't be able to do a performance like this. That or he's going to be at peak EPO levels of climbing by the giro, which is ofcourse very unlikely.
@@MDP1702 he is 33 😉
@@MDP1702 primoz still managed to perform like this last year at the paris nice and criterium even before peaking for the tdf, won dauphine even though he got injured at itzulia and was just recovering and people were already making assumptions jonas was WAY ABOVE primoz already.
Also there is no way youu are comparing primoz to his vuelta 2022 shape, he just came from a crash and barely did some training unlike remco who had a proper training for la vuelta.
arent you making a lot of assumptions for primoz? you seem convinced hes close to his ceiling. Remember he did a bad TT at tirreno yet still won the race.
@@AndrezzSpideyzzz This was likely better than Paris-Nice or criterium last year imo, though not necessarily easy to compare considering different circumstances. I did defend Roglic' chances at the TdF last year before his crash.
He still carried over some TdF shape and while he didn't have a good preparation, that isn't really the first time we see him go into a vuelta with subpar preparation after a failed/crashed out TdF. We can look at his performances in last year vuelta vs normally. His performances at last year vuelta were under his normal peak level, but not be a lot, ranging somewhere between 0,3-0,1w/kg on average. If he has that shape currently, he has a some improvement margin, but then so should Remco with altitude training reaching full potential after 4-6 weeks (only 2-2,5 now) and still being a bit too heavy.
He did a bad TT while starting at a bad time weather wise, only 2-3 riders did better in similar weather. And this for his first race isn't bad at all. He won the race with boni seconds and might have been lucky in that mountain stage, though seeing how he does here, it might have been more tactical then we'd guessed back then.
@@MDP1702 i do agree remco has the better numbers but i do disagree roglic being close to his ceilign here but i wont discuss more of that. let us find our answers at the giro.