@@guyman2674 he would literally be invincible he’s wearing the most powerful object in the universe only limited to the wielders imagination and willpower he could’ve stopped all those people from dying or at least mitigate it
That moment you realise, Mark chose a pretty accurate superhero name. Its not his durability or strength...its his unbreakable willpower and determination.
@@Ligam3731 I was wondering why you mentioned that specific manga until I remembered one of the power systems being Haki. Literally willpower solidified as strength, armor and perception.
I wholeheartedly agree. Mark thoroughly beat a Viltrumite with 2 sentences. He took a beating that would have killed almost anyone else and still came up on top. He might not be the steongest in the outside, but within he's unbreakable, unbeatable.
And that it's too late to go back and fix his mistake because he now has a body count in the thousands. It's that moment of "I've fucked up and I realize that but there's no way I can ever un-fuck up"
Nah he just confuse between the pride of viltrumite and the love of his family. For like thousand year, he has been trained and conquored for his empire but this time He has felt the new feeling that viltrumite did not give him. Being a dad
It's the range for me! Especially J.K Simmons. To voice characters like Tenzin and Omni-man who are complete contrasts of each other and he bodied them perfectly!
@@Billy_Earl Right? They NAILED that crazy range of emotions going through Nolan at that point, and perfectly showed a man who's caught between two very hard choices from his POV - what he's been trained and raised to do, against what HE raised, and the love he found in that ridiculously short span of time.
Nolan’s gasp when Mark called him dad just breaks my heart. In that moment he turned back into a worried father trying to take care of his boy, only to realize that he himself was the cause of it.
Everyone says his face changed and that’s why they think he regretted it, while no one mentions the fact that Nolan was literally crying when he left earth
@@minombreesirrelevante4407 depends on the the size of the screen you’re watching on. It’s kinda hard to tell without going full screen on a phone, but I watched it on a PC monitor and had no problem seeing the tears. Plus when he exits the scene there are tear drops floating in space so that should make it more obvious
@@sandrokobulia9100 I expected it because I read the comics. The tear drop transition was supposed to be an obvious giveaway but then again your point. No one seems to notice it. It is a huge deal since nolan is showing human emotion after bashing on humanity.
@@minombreesirrelevante4407 Yup exactly. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would appreciate Nolan's character even more if they had noticed that. Also, I haven't read the comics, but I‘m still surprised that so many people actually missed it
Sure, the “You, Dad. I’d still have you” line is wonderful. But it’s the “Dad?” line that broke me. He is so beaten up, his eyes swollen, he can’t see. And the delivery isn’t even that of a “son to a father,” but more of a small child to parent. Amazing. They killed it.
Even better when Nolan Is about to answer with a "Yes, Mark/son?" The paternal instincts kicked In, making Nolan realize he's no longer just a Viltrumite on a random planet. That's top notch writing and acting.
@@mqfii8992 And he had to stop himself because that would completely shatter his denial, the ONLY thing stopping him from breaking down with the realization he had nearly killed his own boy.
0:40 anger subsides and he comes back to his senses 0:47 realizes exactly what he has done 0:57 anger and disgust at himself Hand down one of the most realistic emotional responses in a show ever
And not a word had to be spoken either, they didn’t beat us over the head with a “Oh what have I done???” or anything, just trusted the audience could piece it together on their own
Despite the catastrophes caused by it, Invincible literally saved the world by getting his ass kicked by his father before confessing he still loves him. Honestly if you somehow didn't respect Mark before....you probably do now.
@@LegendArySayain literally I had to check it out yesterday after the show and man is it brutal, got me wondering if there gonna adapt all of the comic scenes
That's the nature of being a father. Of course in this scene Nolan 100% wrong. But in general it's our job to shoulder the guilt of the hard decisions.
This scene actually made me shed a tear. Invincible feels like he's gonna die and the last thing he thought he'd ever say is basically telling his dad he loves him. Actually hit me so hard
It reminds me of castlevania when Dracula realizes he is killing his own son and all the death he caused was for n nothing. Il leave it at that since that doesn't spoil what happens leading up to or after that moment. There are 4 seasons to watch to fond out where that event happens
I don't see that as regret. That seems more like a look of confusion. As a Viltrumite he's had to kill his own kind before and thought nothing of it. Everything he's done was in service to the greater good of the Empire. But now looking at his hands covered in his son's blood for the first time he has the thought "Why doesn't this feel right?" Regret does come a second later after Mark says "Dad?" when you see him trying to force himself not to cry. The weight of his actions, and the real conflict Nolan has (good father vs loyal soldier) finally boiling to the surface.
I love the conflict in Omni-man. He’s been so brainwashed by the Viltrum empire that he genuinely has no idea what to do when he realises he actually loves his family.
I didnt watch the show or the comic but from his speech on the empire i assume he is brainwashed because the entire speech(which i saw in another video) on it to his son was full of contradicting points.
YourLocalMoron depending on how you define brainwashing. You could say anyone’s culture or anything that was forced upon them at an early age like religion politics and social views from their parents is brainwashing. I don’t disagree with that definition either
@@yourlocalmoron4832 So a Christian child is brainwashed because her parents raised her like that ? You can't define everything as brainwash , its just the way things are , like the culture of a country , even your family's , yet i agree that everyone is the reflex of how that person was raised , the most religious man would probably be totally different if he was born in china, i was brainwashed , you were , i like to use the term brainwash in more dramatic and edge situations
*”You dad... I’d still have you”* Best thing about Mark is despite getting owned half the time (ironically), is that he perseveres and sees the good in people. Shoutout to Robert Kirkman. Fantastic writing.
I dunno, even though the comic is amazing, this one scene goes beyond what the comic did just because of it's delivery. I really hope the final scene of the animated series manages to be just as heartwarming as the comic's ending.
@@TheDarkstar3601 they really havent... not yet... but they have the potential. i hope it gets the green light until completion but that'd be a long way away.
I agree man. Was waiting for this scene. Just afraid they gonna screw this moment but end up. It stab my heart. They doing a great job animated it from the comic
Such a powerful line. Reminding his dad that in 500 years they'll still be together. So the people Omni kills and the things he does do have meaning, because he'll still have to look his son in the eyes.
Also, Omni man is also projecting a little by telling Mark nothing will be left of what he loves today, he is talking a little about himself. But then when Mark says those words he realizes that he DOES have something he will still have in 500 years he can call his own and he almost killed it himself.
I doubt he meant it in the same context tho. In Nolan’s case he was getting at everything mark knows and love will be gone. Not necessarily asking what Mark’s plan is.
@@BAtkins.Navarro Oh definitely not but i thought it was interesting that even though all of his one liners and such were horrible horrible things to say he still is Mark's father through and through and even his last words were one more fatherly quote
Remember when Mark tried to tell his mom no about going to school? Her response was basically this. She didn't attack with fists, she attacked with words and heart. Mark is truly a child of both his parents.
The absolute best thing about this conclusion is that it doesn't end like most superhero media. The hero isn't just suddenly able to beat the villain, not through a Macguffin, no help from others, or just plain "because they're supposed to." Mark had no chance in this fight. NObody had a chance in this fight. After seeing Nolan take a freaking GEARS OF WAR HAMMER OF DAWN, I knew Mark was destined to be ground beef. But Mark is literally the ONLY person whose words could have ever won that fight, and it was set up and developed so perfectly. And the best part? *It still almost didn't work* This show is just flawless just 😗👌 *mwah* 11/10, idfc, everyone's whining about the romance plot, again, idfc, higher purpose baby, character, uh-de-/velopmeeennt/ Season 2 pls *god I just hope they don't go the AMC route* *pls don't*
I feel like Omni-Man forgot he was Mark’s father in his rage but after calming down and hearing Mark call him dad made him realize that he was literally killing his own son.
Of course he is. Besides his time on Earth, Viltrum is how he was brought up. The questions he asks Mark are questions he himself doesn't have answers to because he was trained that Viltrum is the only way, duty above all. It's not until his son (another Viltrumite) gives him an answer, that he is able to second guess himself. Because after everything Omni-Man has put Mark through, Mark still sees him as a father. Now he has to choose between being a good soldier, and being a good father/husband.
@@DaPilipinoKine also he did grow up AFTER the empire was founded, after Thragg created this culture of conquest He dont know anything about Viltrum besides they are an empire Heck he didnt even know his father was the king of the Viltrumites
I really appreciate the sounddesign here, no overblaring sad piano music or anything, just the wind blowing away dust from the fight and Mark just barely hanging on
@@meldrickedwards1892 I mean, restraining yourself and not adding in overblown sad piano music and all other kinds of bells and whistles is also a form of sounddesign choice And I respect the animators for said restraint
I thought it was just meh but I then heard the drips of blood and then omniman looks at his hands. The drips don't continue even though he lifts his hands (things that drippy would still drip down his elbows). That drippiness was intentional and lended additional layered motivation for him to look at his hands. Smart design even if added in post
I finally get it, when Omni man looked sad when Mark actually gained his powers. At that moment he knew he couldn't out live his family, then to take over the world.
Its almost as if he didn't want mark to get powers so he wouldn't have to out live everyone he loves, he killed the guardians because now he had to take over the planet and now that his son had powers he believed he could convince him to join him.
@@code6843 pretty crazy that he thought he could convince mark to join him, he really fucked up his mission lol, maybe don't have a kid? This is the first time a viltrimite had a kid with another race and actually cared about it? I love the story but they try to make earth some special magic place that can change a viltrimite when no other planet could, it's dumb, humanity isn't special.
@@pokemonfan2630 You don't think it's even a little bit of a possibility you could end up eating those words? What the fuck do you know? What if it isn't decided yet?
He may be a viltrumite but deep down he couldn't bring himself to end his son's life since that's what makes him human as proof that he changed as any loving father would realizing that mark was debbie's greatest gift to him.
I think he FEARED the very human realization he suddenly had, that the kid he raised and loved and cherished was more important to him than all the worlds he could conquer. That someone could crush his worldview so thoroughly showed Nolan something he didn't think could live inside himself: guilt. And Nolan was, for the very 1st time, afraid.
I gotta say, I've watched too many "bad guy suddenly has a change of heart" scenes and I really thought I would never get emotionally affected by any such scene. But the voice acting and animation here is just... damn. Nolan's little gasp right after Mark says "Dad?" His expressions running through denial, anger, sadness, regret, and finally a painful but realistic mixture of acceptance, self-hatred, anger and shame. In that moment, a part of him tells him that he screwed up, but he can't accept that, because doing so would shatter his entire identity. Throughout this fight he makes a point of brutally demonstrating how "apart", "above" from Humanity he is, but in this one moment we see a crack in his facade. This doesn't feel right. Beating his son nearly to death, someone who still professes their love for him even as he kills them. With just a few words Mark has planted a seed of doubt in Nolan's mind, suggesting that perhaps the Viltrumites are wrong after all. Might does not make right. How can it, when Mark is so clearly right at this moment, despite being so thoroughly outmatched.
@Jack Alan From what I’ve heard, the comic absolutely is outshined by the show’s adaptation in most ways, but Amber specifically is much better in the comic than she is in the show
@Jack Alan Honestly, I wouldn’t, but her characterization falls apart when she admits to knowing the truth about Mark. She deliberately puts her own desires over other people’s lives and safety, and despite knowing Mark had to have almost died at one point, still gets upset when she gets stood up by Mark and even when he saves their lives right in front of her. She has no good reason to be as mad with Mark as she is if she really knew he was Invincible for as long as she said she did, but she does anyway and in hindsight it ends up being very selfish and outright disrespectful. She would be so much better if either A.) She expressed her disappointment with Mark better, not berating him and instead being more understanding but still upset about a lack of communication B.) She was genuinely just unaware of Mark’s identity. It’s still possible for her to be mad with mark after learning about his identity, but the writers for whatever reason wanted her to “subvert expectations” and ended up ruining the credibility she had going for her I really don’t want to hate Amber’s character, but I just can’t ignore what her knowing about Invincible does to her overall character.
That's only in our framework of morality. There is absolutely no guarantee that aliens could feel what we feel and believe in what we believe. For example, we are compassionate by nature, whereas mantis are cannibals and eat their own babies, and there is nothing wrong with that in their perspective. Something like that, but with more variation and crazier extremes, should also be true about aliens.
If you think about it, the mom saved the world. She showed Omni-man the joys of having a child. Omni-man slowly but surely changed during those 17 years.
*spoilers for comics* the rest of viltrumites show up to earth to repopulate by breeding with humans. Thragg (the viltrumite bossman) tells them to not get attached to the humans. Pretty much all the viltrumites start to settle with human families after a few years and become less evil like omni-man. there was this one viltrumite who had children with dozens of woman and he had some explaining to do all of them
0:56 That gasp from Omni-Man was a great detail. That horrified yet guilty look was so satisfying. The way his expression went from "What have I done?!" to "I did this. This is my fault."
When Mark said "Dad?" at the end.... damn that cuts deep. Even after his own father beats him up almost to the brink of death, Mark still has this small sense of hope... so glad this show is getting picked up for season 2 and 3 cause WOW this show was phenomenal writing
@@xanadryl5691 The comics are EPIC but he made so many good changes even if small that it some how makes the characters and story even more compelling I love what they did to atom eve so far and everything really and that they mad mark and his mom Asian in the comics it was kind of left in the air
@@darabyss9963 Robert Kirkman is heavily invested in the show. He has said that the changes in the show are due to him being more experienced and feeling that he's a far better writer then when he did the original comic run.
But it was more like the last bullet who penetrated the will of his father. Nolan was already concerned, confused and mentally charged, and Mark saying "Dad" was what finished him off.
For the first time in who knows how long, Omni-Man felt like an absolute monster. He felt he was wrong. And if only for a moment, he felt ashamed of who and what he is. That's deep.
I was struggling for days to find the best encapsulation of this scene and you nailed it. No super strength, super speed, or “enlightened” Viltrumite perspective is going to absolve Nolan of what he did to Mark - and he knows it
@@Freeman10001 The main reason why people focus on Nolan beating up his son in this scene is because that’s exactly what he feels bad for, and why he leaves Earth in the end. Nolan doesn’t care for human life, he believes humans are below him and that they’re all insignificant in the end, so of course he’s not going to feel remorse for any of that going on. But the thing that sets him off and gives him even a shred of morality is seeing his son hurt, beat down and nearly dead, and knowing that he’s the one that caused that to happen. He doesn’t want to admit it, but he grew attached to Earth in a way, and Mark, along with Debbie, is the main reason why.
Someone commented once that Omni-man isn't trying to convince Mark to go along with the plan, but himself, which is honestly a perfect way to describe early Omni-man
@@vgc_ivan8391 It hurts because you know you'd abandon your daughter just for some random dolphin you'd met in the ocean only to bail her in jail after 16 years
You can tell how much he really cares. After mark says "Dad?" He immediately puts all attention to him with the most honest and sorry look on his face.
Or "Yes, son?" Either of which he knew would break him. Because that would bring him full circle to the full impact of what he was trying to deny - that he was literally killing his own son, the boy he'd raised for 17 years. And those 17 years, for how small, how "insignificant" they would be in a Viltrumite's lifespan, cut him deeper than thousands of years of upbringing. It's utterly insane to him, that he was more human than Viltrumite after just 17 years.
Mark’s a true hero. He saved the world by continuing to believe in his father that he could be better even through all the carnage and bloodshed. Amazon you got one damn good show on your hands just let em work and dont get in their way.
@@donbeedrill if you dont think a billion dollar company can fuck up an adaptation of a story then where have you been living for the past 10 years. Also there already starting to deviate from the main comic in certain story beats so its not going to be a one to one with the comic.
That gasp at 0:57 shows how he's realised what he's doing to his son and his shock towards how despite all he's done, Mark still sees him as his father
Reminds me of the fight between Alucard and Dracula at the end of season 1 of Castlevania. Dracula finally comes to his senses that he is fighting and killing his son.
The fact that Nolan was about to cry right there over his son’s body is the best part. He wanted to, and you can tell he forced himself to leave instead because the moment he did he couldn’t pretend to be a viltrumite anymore.
He also realizes that he will never be able to fix what he's done. Slaughtering thousands of people and nearly killing your own son isn't exactly something you can just come back and apologize for.
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means There would still be some resentment towards him but if that happens and he does genuinely intend to help, it could be his one chance at redemption
For those that missed it, at 1:13 the liquid that closes out the scene is Omni mans tears. Watch closely as he exits the earth’s atmosphere. Everything else burned off as he flew through the atmosphere, but he continued to cry after, which is why its the only thing left to cover the final frame. Incredible detail by the studio artists/animators.
Well, he was somewhat right in some aspects. Even killing ~2000 people is nothing if you consider that 9 million people die from hunger alone... each year. So if Viltrum will solve hunger and thirst problems alone.... On the other hand, how many lives self-determination costs?.. How Viltrum taxes will affect Earth? It's not easy discussion... But discussions is not how things on Viltrum get decided. It's who the strongest... basically, Omni-Man made every effort in the Mark's persuasion he could ^^
no, he was right. when rudy takes over the earth in couple of hours both atom eve and invincible fuck off into space nothing changes on earth - everything remains fucked up
@@ImperativeGames Oh they absolutely are right. But we can't have a show about an advanced alien race taking pity on humans and fixing our shit. That would be "fascism".
@@asddsa8203 Well, in current political climate it's risky... but also it's just hard to write. If you are writing from the point of view of the human then it's "sit back & watch" how aliens work... Where is the conflict?.. And the hero should be (pro)active. If it's from the POV of the "progressor" then it's much easier to make it that someone from Earth is encountering primitive humanlike aliens. Still, watching how schools and powerplants are being built for year and years is boring... So, only a few books like about stuff like that. - Also, benevolent aliens are a bad idea for the book because it teaches to rely on someone else and not taking responsibility for yourself.
That split second of pure despair on Omni Man’s face when he says “You’ll live to see this planet crumble to dust” says that he’s been through that cycle more times than he can count.
@@mrepical7235 Nope, they are extremely long lived. They age very slowly, Omniman tells his son that every person he knows will be long dead before he even looks 30.
@@thomasdavis2650 They, kinda do though. She becomes pregnant with Mark's son, remember? She dies saving Mark's, Eve's lives in the final battle. She feels nothing but shame about the act, but nothing but love for her son. Her son grows up wanting to be like his father and stays on Earth, but can't let the idea of the act of his creation being violence. He seeks out Mark on another planet....I'm not trying to post all the spoilers, but the resolution of that storyline? Just like with Robot, or Eve, or Mark missing for years while his daughter grows up without him, his Dad, even Alan the Alien, the resolution isn't clean or feel-good. It just is.
Nolan’s entire facial journey during this whole scene is beautiful, the terrible viltrumite soldier is being held back by the humanity he’s gained and by 0:49 humanity is winning the last “dad” breaks the soldier and it’s just a dad realizing “what have I done?”
@@jnut9494 I-I'm sorry. He should have told Omni man he was non-binary and that he infact identifies as an apache attack helicopter. I'm sure the beating would have been softer then since he no longer identifies with humanity.
Invincible: * shows an emotionally scarring moment between a conflicted son and his dad who has done unforgivable actions * The Internet: "Aight let's meme this scene"
Whats funny (in a fucked up way) about this fight is that its obvious Nolan was doing all of this more to convince himself he was right than his son in the end.
Bingo! 🎯🎯🎯 Especially when he said well I'll start over and I have another child. He was trying to convince himself that what he was doing was ok and marks life didn't matter.
Yeah they pushed that out too much. The Nolan in the comics was a soldier. Duty came first n it was clear. He only cracked when mark sad I’ll only have u dad
@@golden1_1dragon12 Well, Nolan in the show is what they always wanted to convey. Robert Kirkman always disliked how limited they were when they were writing/drawing the comics because their publishers kept telling them to limit the number of panels they were physically allowed to put into the books, so they had to cut a bunch of stuff out. Now, Kirkman enjoys that he has much more room to add in a lot of the things that they always wanted to put in but never could, as well as redo things that they always thought they could have done better from a creative standpoint.
@@MrJH101 I hope ur right n that the director himself is in control of the creative. Direction in the series. Still lame they cut out the part I mentioned tho. The personal confirmation from nolan that the guardians were his friends n he was happy for a time n nearly lost sight of his purpose on earth
i haven't watched this show but could tell the animators were a little out of their element on the action scenes, a little jaggedly. but looks like they put a lot of effort into it
Yeah, like he could've convinced Mark by telling him the humans would be safe and would be protected by the viltrumites in return that they expand their empire to this planet, and that it would bring world peace to them and end all major problems they had with their society. Honestly he could've explained it better but the way he explained was okay I suppose
@@code6843 Nah he explained it right the first time. It was when he called his wife a pet that Mark flipped out and Omni/man kept trying to tell Mark through violence.
I just love how deep this scene is. Yes, Nolan retreated because Mark caused Nolan's human side to resurface and prevail over the viltrumite. But the real hero here is Debbie. Nolan wouldn't even have a human side if not for her. Indirectly she's the one that saved Earth.
@@dink72115 WTF do you mean wtf? It's clearly shown in later episodes. Debbie encourages Nolan to engage with Mark, to participate in human activities. She think he's an aloof alien from a utopian world she's encouraging to enjoy simple things in life (instead of a space nazi) but she is the one who keeps bringing him down to Earth, as it were.
@@woodrobin Mark Is the reason why Nolan has a human side. Even though if the viltrimites took over the world would be a better place. Debbie just birthed Mark. Big fucking deal.
At 0:54 When mark calls Omniman dad, you can see how he jumps. Like he's realizing just what he's done as he's standing over his son. Its like he instinctively reacted to his sons jumbled and painful voice, only to realize that he's the one who caused it.
It's one of the of those logically obvious yet emotionally deep answers. Reminds me of what Keanu responded when Colbert asked him, "what do you think happens when we die?", to which Keanu replied "I know the ones who love us, will miss us"
Anyone else love Steven's ability to give such emotion? 2 iconic scenes in less than 3 years of each other: "I'll find you Maggie" "You dad, I'll still have you"
The Walking Dead Season 7 Episode 1 “The Day Will Come When You won’t be” was released on October 23rd 2016. Invincible Season 1 Episode 8 “Where I really come from” released April 30th 2021. That’s over 4 and a half years.
@@idontneedaname318 Somewhat. He wanted him to join but feared his son either wouldn't have powers or that Mark wouldn't want to join. Double edged sword
@@idontneedaname318 I mean sure, there was a part of him that knew his son could end up gaining powers much like his own. The shock and complete and utter shutdown he had when Mark told him at dinner though, made him remember his original mission's time table. He was given 500yrs or so to prepare Earth for Viltrumite takeover. Everything changed for Nolan in that second and why he just dove into taking out the Guardians of the Globe without REALLY thinking it through. I am sure he wished he could just chill and "be" for a while but, nature finds away, lol.
"You dad. I'd still have you." That last "dad?" Fucking killed me as a mom. When your baby says that, that hits like a mac truck. I'm glad omni man had a change of heart. Seemed like he pulled his punches too.
1:04 notice that normally Omni-Man always creates a huge shockwave from the force of his legs every time he flies toward the sky. This time he just pulled himself upward to avoid hurting his son anymore than he already did.
@@luigiwiiUU yeah, he even did that to Debbie when that Earthling managed to kick her world-conquering husband out of the house lol, except he kinda makes a hole on the roof.
I watched invincible with my dad. We watched this scene together. When he said the line, I looked at my dad. He was just staring at the screen, devoid of most of emotion. He was definitely deep in thought, when the episode ended, he told me how much he loved that scene
@@atriiio4244 every show Amazon has put out has been an absolute banger. invincible is doing very well, so Amazon might even give them a higher budget this time around
My favorite aspect of Omni man's retreat isn't that he feels bad, it's that Mark and humanity in general managed to warp Nolan's view of life itself. Omni Man previously admitted to being happy "for a time" while on Earth. He comes from a Race that see's itself fit to claim the Galaxy and is most likely one of its strongest members. You don't become a dedicated elite soldier to represent the entire planet without a sense of pride for your accomplishments. I haven't read the comics (and I don't want to until the series is finished) but assume leaving your post in the eyes of a Viltrum is treason. Nolan's belief in his entire planet was shaken by someone of who. he originally planned to just be a power investment... What he didn't realize was it became an emotional investment, and if he truly didn't care about humanity he wouldn't have killed so many people to try and prove otherwise. Nolan is so loyal to and afraid of his own brutal, savage, Sayajin-like race that his attempts to quell his fear is denying the love he's developed for earth by preaching Viltrumite propaganda and mowing down people he claims to consider subhuman. The truth of the matter is that it's a good thing Mark turned out to be a Viltrumite. Because it takes that fearful and enraged beating he delivered to Mark in order for him to realize that the power of a Viltrumite, the thing that used to define Nolan his whole life, meant absolutely nothing to Mark (in what could possibly be his final moments.) Omniman has hardly ever needed to worry about death, and coming from a planet that decided on a whim to commit genocide on itself just to stress test the hell out of evolution, his society likely values fight or flight if they are ever against the ropes. The fact that Mark, in Nolan's eyes, is a Viltrumite fighting with the same Zeal that Nolan has for his empire is the final confirmation needed for Nolan to realize the lie he's been living. His shame in killing creatures he lived amongst and protected for decades was strong enough to cause him to leave, a planet he could easily conquer became guilt so deeply rooted his blood soaked hands, for the first time, felt like blood that shouldn't have been there.
I don't want to spoil it but let's just say once Omni Man becomes the leader of the viltrumites, they go from a Savage war-like Race to a peaceful race only using their power when their loved ones are threatened
Alla yall are jabbering about "Oh father son so sweet" but no one comments on the fact that the blood and dirt burns off omni-man as he flies through the upper atmosphere. Such great attention to detail.
to me the blood burning away and his uniform cleaning up was a symbolism of him finding redemption to his way back to being a good being again...very powerful visual technique to do that with...
I could actually feel the pain Mark felt when he said, "You Dad, I still have you." And I felt really bad for him , and when he called out for Nolan , saying "Dad" he wasn't scared , but he wanted Nolan to comfort him, making sure he would be there in 500 years, I still remember I cried when I saw that part.
I think the only reason this moment hit Nolan so much is that after all the painful things Mark was put through, Mark still acknowledge Nolan as his father, after all the relentless beat up, Mark never forgot who his father was and that hits right in the feels man
Since the beginning of the fight, I think Nolan was trying to convince himself more than Mark, and destroying everything he carred about was the only solution he thought to detach himself. He's been a Viltrumite for centuries, but a human for only a couple of years.
Nolan: WHERE IS THE PICTURE OF SPIDERMAN, MARK?!? Mark: That picture isn't good for your health so I burned it. Nolan: (Cries and flies off knowing that he will never get a good picture of Spiderman again)
I don't want to spoil anything and it was in the comics but you never know if it'll make it into the show. But debbie has a very rough patch and she says some real hurtful shit to mark along the lines of it being his fault and questioning his choice to fight back. Strong emotions can make people very irrational.
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JK Simmons kills it in this role, in more ways than one.
he is really doing an amazing job
Plus omni looks like jjj and they are both voiced by the same person....hmm mm
Its j.k Simmons what do expect, he's one of the greatest actors there is
He got to be the one to stop a subway instead of Spider-Man
His character killed way more than the role B)
After all what Omni man did to Mark, he still called him his dad..... Damn, the guilt.
He's the bigger bunny.
@@jonathanmarin1250 IT STINKS
@@Johnjohn-lg1te nice and good
@@ezekielisrael6374 you've stumbled upon quite the rabbit hole
Be the bigger bunny Nolan
Mark physically isn't invincible, but his willpower is.. damn
He’ll make a fantastic green lantern
@@stevenpineda2863 I actually really want that crossover now.
@@guyman2674 he would literally be invincible he’s wearing the most powerful object in the universe only limited to the wielders imagination and willpower he could’ve stopped all those people from dying or at least mitigate it
I mean.... I'm pretty sure that's the point...
@@Archoncrazy you don’t have to explain it
That moment you realise, Mark chose a pretty accurate superhero name.
Its not his durability or strength...its his unbreakable willpower and determination.
Mark will be OP as fuck in One Piece
@@Ligam3731 I was wondering why you mentioned that specific manga until I remembered one of the power systems being Haki. Literally willpower solidified as strength, armor and perception.
@@Ligam3731 and how the fuck fid they beat that logia guy in machine head hq?
He is In-*Title Card*
I wholeheartedly agree. Mark thoroughly beat a Viltrumite with 2 sentences. He took a beating that would have killed almost anyone else and still came up on top. He might not be the steongest in the outside, but within he's unbreakable, unbeatable.
He cant decide if he wanted to be the loyal soldier or a good father..
He chooses to be a good father. Him and his 2 sons are going to kick some viltramite ass.
@@SuckMyDucks spoiler warning for season 2
@@jamiewillis6862 exactly!
Dad died in chapter 138
@@BB-sf7nn Wait what the protagonist of this cartoon dies?
The “Dad?” Part always gets me. Omni Man realized he did the dumbest thing a man could do, betray his family.
Facts
And that it's too late to go back and fix his mistake because he now has a body count in the thousands.
It's that moment of "I've fucked up and I realize that but there's no way I can ever un-fuck up"
Nah he just confuse between the pride of viltrumite and the love of his family. For like thousand year, he has been trained and conquored for his empire but this time He has felt the new feeling that viltrumite did not give him. Being a dad
@@khoichau8088 Viltrum is a savage ass place so its understandable. Even the name sounds hardcore.
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba sounds like a genital organ of an alien honestly
Can we appreciate how good the acting was in this? J.K. Simmons and Steven Yuen both nailed the acting in this show.
I know Steven Yeun's pained wheezy gasps hit different
It's the range for me! Especially J.K Simmons. To voice characters like Tenzin and Omni-man who are complete contrasts of each other and he bodied them perfectly!
not to mention the animators absolutely insane
@@Billy_Earl Right? They NAILED that crazy range of emotions going through Nolan at that point, and perfectly showed a man who's caught between two very hard choices from his POV - what he's been trained and raised to do, against what HE raised, and the love he found in that ridiculously short span of time.
It's JK Simmons?? Like, he looks like JJJ AND he is also voiced by JJJ?
Nolan’s gasp when Mark called him dad just breaks my heart. In that moment he turned back into a worried father trying to take care of his boy, only to realize that he himself was the cause of it.
I'm not crying you’re crying
Seeing him realize he did all that to Mark really hurt
I had a really similar feeling when watching the last ep for the first season of catstlevania
that part hits like a sack of bricks.
he was about to reply with "Yes, son?" as an instinct
;-;
Everyone says his face changed and that’s why they think he regretted it, while no one mentions the fact that Nolan was literally crying when he left earth
ikr? I think is kind of hard to see the animation of the tears
@@minombreesirrelevante4407 depends on the the size of the screen you’re watching on. It’s kinda hard to tell without going full screen on a phone, but I watched it on a PC monitor and had no problem seeing the tears. Plus when he exits the scene there are tear drops floating in space so that should make it more obvious
@@sandrokobulia9100 I expected it because I read the comics. The tear drop transition was supposed to be an obvious giveaway but then again your point. No one seems to notice it.
It is a huge deal since nolan is showing human emotion after bashing on humanity.
@@minombreesirrelevante4407 Yup exactly. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would appreciate Nolan's character even more if they had noticed that. Also, I haven't read the comics, but I‘m still surprised that so many people actually missed it
@@sandrokobulia9100 i actually didnt notice that before i wacht the scene again
Sure, the “You, Dad. I’d still have you” line is wonderful.
But it’s the “Dad?” line that broke me. He is so beaten up, his eyes swollen, he can’t see. And the delivery isn’t even that of a “son to a father,” but more of a small child to parent. Amazing. They killed it.
100% agree. As a father myself, that scene hit HARD! I'd even say Mark's words hit me harder than Omni Man ever could.
Even better when Nolan Is about to answer with a "Yes, Mark/son?"
The paternal instincts kicked In, making Nolan realize he's no longer just a Viltrumite on a random planet.
That's top notch writing and acting.
@@mqfii8992 And he had to stop himself because that would completely shatter his denial, the ONLY thing stopping him from breaking down with the realization he had nearly killed his own boy.
Steven Yeun is an amazing voice actor
Perfect analysis, I welled up at "Dad?" 11/10 season 2 pls
A man once said:
“It’s not about living forever, it’s about living with yourself forever.”
- Captain Teague to Jack Sparrow
I can handle that anyday of the week twice on sundays !
Yourself isn't forever so, it's about dying.
@@sunnyinmilkyway2114 It metaphor about being content with yourself even if others isn't how the fuck are you so stupid
It's not the years in your life that counts, it's the life in your years
0:40 anger subsides and he comes back to his senses
0:47 realizes exactly what he has done
0:57 anger and disgust at himself
Hand down one of the most realistic emotional responses in a show ever
The fact that Mark beat his own father by means of unconditional love just shows how amazing this series is and what it will be.
@@dastemplar9681 probably the best use of power of love ever
And not a word had to be spoken either, they didn’t beat us over the head with a “Oh what have I done???” or anything, just trusted the audience could piece it together on their own
@@scrungobeepis5443 “show, don’t tell” at its finest!
Thanks for noticing this and commenting
Despite the catastrophes caused by it, Invincible literally saved the world by getting his ass kicked by his father before confessing he still loves him. Honestly if you somehow didn't respect Mark before....you probably do now.
"Before confessing he still loves him..." thank God I know the context because without context that sentence is strange
I wouldn't say "save" the viltriums come back anyway after capturing nolan and make Mark the new Earth's conqueror and give him 100 years to do it
@@HenriqueRJchiki The viltrumites aren’t even the worse thing that happens to earth in the comics.
@@LegendArySayain literally I had to check it out yesterday after the show and man is it brutal, got me wondering if there gonna adapt all of the comic scenes
@@HenriqueRJchiki Bro, these ARE spoilers to those who haven't read the comic yet.
That look of regret when he looks at his hands and his son says dad. That hits hard.
That's the nature of being a father. Of course in this scene Nolan 100% wrong. But in general it's our job to shoulder the guilt of the hard decisions.
This scene actually made me shed a tear. Invincible feels like he's gonna die and the last thing he thought he'd ever say is basically telling his dad he loves him. Actually hit me so hard
It reminds me of castlevania when Dracula realizes he is killing his own son and all the death he caused was for n
nothing. Il leave it at that since that doesn't spoil what happens leading up to or after that moment. There are 4 seasons to watch to fond out where that event happens
@@Aztesticals yeah that was good shit. Love revenge stories.
I don't see that as regret. That seems more like a look of confusion. As a Viltrumite he's had to kill his own kind before and thought nothing of it. Everything he's done was in service to the greater good of the Empire. But now looking at his hands covered in his son's blood for the first time he has the thought "Why doesn't this feel right?" Regret does come a second later after Mark says "Dad?" when you see him trying to force himself not to cry. The weight of his actions, and the real conflict Nolan has (good father vs loyal soldier) finally boiling to the surface.
I love the conflict in Omni-man. He’s been so brainwashed by the Viltrum empire that he genuinely has no idea what to do when he realises he actually loves his family.
I didnt watch the show or the comic but from his speech on the empire i assume he is brainwashed because the entire speech(which i saw in another video) on it to his son was full of contradicting points.
@@GalironRunner Hes not brainwashed its just how he was raised and how he lived for possibly thousands of years
@@bubbletroubles5234 well yeah, that's basically brainwashing from a young age.
YourLocalMoron depending on how you define brainwashing. You could say anyone’s culture or anything that was forced upon them at an early age like religion politics and social views from their parents is brainwashing. I don’t disagree with that definition either
@@yourlocalmoron4832 So a Christian child is brainwashed because her parents raised her like that ? You can't define everything as brainwash , its just the way things are , like the culture of a country , even your family's , yet i agree that everyone is the reflex of how that person was raised , the most religious man would probably be totally different if he was born in china, i was brainwashed , you were , i like to use the term brainwash in more dramatic and edge situations
*”You dad... I’d still have you”*
Best thing about Mark is despite getting owned half the time (ironically), is that he perseveres and sees the good in people.
Shoutout to Robert Kirkman. Fantastic writing.
He's invincible
@@TipToey No, he’s just *TITLE CARD*
Wait, Kirkman wrote invincible? The same Robert Kirkman that wrote The Walking Dead?
@@afernandez9579 yes, the guy who wrote The Walking Dead also wrote Invincible.
Surprised he didn't say "Fuck Earth" after puting up with Amber's goofy ass.
I like that Nolan's face changes as he slowly realizes how much he loved Mark and Debbie
Mark and his pet 😂😂😂🤣 hearthless piece of vultromite
@@alainelate-lea3875 You have to admit it's nice detail tho
Not debbie though. He still views her as insignificant but mark had real importance to him
@@ajdn2013 Debbie means a lot more to him than he is willing to admit
@@avataz during this time? Not really. It took a long while for that.
This line and scene is as gut wrenching in the show as it is in the comic
I dunno, even though the comic is amazing, this one scene goes beyond what the comic did just because of it's delivery. I really hope the final scene of the animated series manages to be just as heartwarming as the comic's ending.
Guardians Massacre and, now, this. The series has become more gruesome than the comics. They added so much stuff.
@@TheDarkstar3601 they really havent... not yet... but they have the potential. i hope it gets the green light until completion but that'd be a long way away.
@@Bojack1135 The train scene was a gruesome addition
I agree man. Was waiting for this scene. Just afraid they gonna screw this moment but end up. It stab my heart. They doing a great job animated it from the comic
"What will you have after 500 years?!"
"I'll still have pictures of spiderman."
You just know Simmons is going to be haunted by fans waving pictures of Spiderman around him for the rest of his life, the poor bastard
@@PeterDivine But Spiderman is a menace a criminal! Check mate Parker
Omni-Man: A mistake has been made
That's my boy
@@ratchetexperience8379 lmao
Such a powerful line. Reminding his dad that in 500 years they'll still be together. So the people Omni kills and the things he does do have meaning, because he'll still have to look his son in the eyes.
Omg the best explanation yet!!
Also, Omni man is also projecting a little by telling Mark nothing will be left of what he loves today, he is talking a little about himself. But then when Mark says those words he realizes that he DOES have something he will still have in 500 years he can call his own and he almost killed it himself.
"What will you have after 500 years??" That's A dad line right there, asking the kid what's the plan in the next 5 years
EXACTLY!!!!
Why is this comment, is so relatable?
I doubt he meant it in the same context tho. In Nolan’s case he was getting at everything mark knows and love will be gone. Not necessarily asking what Mark’s plan is.
@@BAtkins.Navarro Oh definitely not but i thought it was interesting that even though all of his one liners and such were horrible horrible things to say he still is Mark's father through and through and even his last words were one more fatherly quote
That is my whole family and my barber's line.
Remember when Mark tried to tell his mom no about going to school? Her response was basically this. She didn't attack with fists, she attacked with words and heart. Mark is truly a child of both his parents.
She asked him does it make him feel big and bad that she can’t physically make him do anything
Talk no Jutsu!
I'd be concerned if she tried to beat him
He’s his dad physically but his mom mentally
The absolute best thing about this conclusion is that it doesn't end like most superhero media. The hero isn't just suddenly able to beat the villain, not through a Macguffin, no help from others, or just plain "because they're supposed to." Mark had no chance in this fight. NObody had a chance in this fight. After seeing Nolan take a freaking GEARS OF WAR HAMMER OF DAWN, I knew Mark was destined to be ground beef. But Mark is literally the ONLY person whose words could have ever won that fight, and it was set up and developed so perfectly. And the best part? *It still almost didn't work*
This show is just flawless just 😗👌 *mwah*
11/10, idfc, everyone's whining about the romance plot, again, idfc, higher purpose baby, character, uh-de-/velopmeeennt/
Season 2 pls
*god I just hope they don't go the AMC route*
*pls don't*
I feel like Omni-Man forgot he was Mark’s father in his rage but after calming down and hearing Mark call him dad made him realize that he was literally killing his own son.
His own fucking son...
@@Planeteno you’re comment is unnecessary
@@andrewgarfield9898 So is yours but here we are.
@@andrewgarfield9898 he kinda right you didnt have to say anything
@@willieregister2561 and for explaining that your comment was necessary however mine isn't
"WHY HAVE YOU MADE ME DONE THIS? I WAS THIS CLOSE TO FINDING SPIDERMAN. THINK MARK, I WAS THIS CLOSE TO HAVE THE UPPER HAND AGAINST THIS MENACE."
"i still have photos of spiderman...."
@@labelle9477 XD omg I love this
🤣🤣
@@labelle9477
*_Looks surprised, regrets actions, flies off returning to new york, crying_*
@@labelle9477 “Cough cough........could you pay me in..........cough cough advance.....?”
(Breath heavily cause the got beat up so brutal)
The fact that Mark was able to make his father feel regretful and remorseful for his actions, changed him as a person, for the better.
Dude your like the popular dude who comments on almost the random est stuff on youtube
Wait…. What happened to your subscriber count?
@@Digdiga it vanished, reduced to atoms
Ahh… the youtube fk it policy cleanup. Figures they would atomized any content creators’ viral count and deems it an “error in the sustem”
Lol
I feel like Omni is yelling at himself more than his son
He's definitely trying to convince himself that what he's doing is right
Of course he is. Besides his time on Earth, Viltrum is how he was brought up. The questions he asks Mark are questions he himself doesn't have answers to because he was trained that Viltrum is the only way, duty above all. It's not until his son (another Viltrumite) gives him an answer, that he is able to second guess himself. Because after everything Omni-Man has put Mark through, Mark still sees him as a father. Now he has to choose between being a good soldier, and being a good father/husband.
@@DaPilipinoKine also he did grow up AFTER the empire was founded, after Thragg created this culture of conquest
He dont know anything about Viltrum besides they are an empire
Heck he didnt even know his father was the king of the Viltrumites
@@guifdcanalli descended of the king, nolan is the heir.
All those words that he said, from the start of the episode to the end of this scene, were all he trying to convince himself... but he couldn't
This is basically an entire episode of the most brutal display of child abuse ever
with a dash of ethnic cleansing.
nah fam omni mans a alien so he doesn't have to abide by child laws
Damn Steven Yeun really plays Traumatized Characters that go thru the worst he cant catch a break
Bro don't be so exaggerated, it was just a little love tap.
@@YoloTB Spoiler Alert- It gets a lot worse in this series.
I really appreciate the sounddesign here, no overblaring sad piano music or anything, just the wind blowing away dust from the fight and Mark just barely hanging on
Wow, just like any other sound design.
@@meldrickedwards1892 I mean, restraining yourself and not adding in overblown sad piano music and all other kinds of bells and whistles is also a form of sounddesign choice
And I respect the animators for said restraint
Wow, a pointless response.@@meldrickedwards1892
@@meldrickedwards1892implying all sound design is the same is so disingenuous
I thought it was just meh but I then heard the drips of blood and then omniman looks at his hands. The drips don't continue even though he lifts his hands (things that drippy would still drip down his elbows). That drippiness was intentional and lended additional layered motivation for him to look at his hands. Smart design even if added in post
I finally get it, when Omni man looked sad when Mark actually gained his powers. At that moment he knew he couldn't out live his family, then to take over the world.
Its almost as if he didn't want mark to get powers so he wouldn't have to out live everyone he loves, he killed the guardians because now he had to take over the planet and now that his son had powers he believed he could convince him to join him.
@@code6843 pretty crazy that he thought he could convince mark to join him, he really fucked up his mission lol, maybe don't have a kid? This is the first time a viltrimite had a kid with another race and actually cared about it? I love the story but they try to make earth some special magic place that can change a viltrimite when no other planet could, it's dumb, humanity isn't special.
@@pokemonfan2630 who hurt you bro
@@Testosterooster facts lmao
@@pokemonfan2630 You don't think it's even a little bit of a possibility you could end up eating those words? What the fuck do you know? What if it isn't decided yet?
Nolan May have won the physical fight but Mark won the war of words.
and mental abused
This is talk no jutsu at its finest!
@@joeskys2362 thank you bro that you are a man of culture 😂
He seldom wins the battles but he always wins the war.
Broooo. Do you know how accurately this describes Mark Grayson as a character?
He may be a viltrumite but deep down he couldn't bring himself to end his son's life since that's what makes him human as proof that he changed as any loving father would realizing that mark was debbie's greatest gift to him.
Vegeta?!?!
@@Starryeyeddreamer2001 I literally had the exact same thought watching this episode! Nolan is literally Vegeta!!!
@@Starryeyeddreamer2001 Yup, he was an a-hole but a lovable ahole to be exact.
@@OASIEROFFICIAL At least Buu saga or DB Super Vegeta, he's not anything like Cell or Frieza saga Vegeta
@@Kakaragi Or Majin Vegeta
This might be cheesy, but I'd like to believe that at that moment, Omniman truly learned what it meant to be human.
More so he came to the realization that being a father meant more to him than being a loyal soldier to Viltrum.
I think he FEARED the very human realization he suddenly had, that the kid he raised and loved and cherished was more important to him than all the worlds he could conquer. That someone could crush his worldview so thoroughly showed Nolan something he didn't think could live inside himself: guilt. And Nolan was, for the very 1st time, afraid.
@@estebanpineros9409 amazing 🥲
This is the moment omni man became humanberg
He didn't learn what it meant to be a human; Mark made his SOUL human.
I gotta say, I've watched too many "bad guy suddenly has a change of heart" scenes and I really thought I would never get emotionally affected by any such scene. But the voice acting and animation here is just... damn. Nolan's little gasp right after Mark says "Dad?" His expressions running through denial, anger, sadness, regret, and finally a painful but realistic mixture of acceptance, self-hatred, anger and shame. In that moment, a part of him tells him that he screwed up, but he can't accept that, because doing so would shatter his entire identity. Throughout this fight he makes a point of brutally demonstrating how "apart", "above" from Humanity he is, but in this one moment we see a crack in his facade. This doesn't feel right. Beating his son nearly to death, someone who still professes their love for him even as he kills them. With just a few words Mark has planted a seed of doubt in Nolan's mind, suggesting that perhaps the Viltrumites are wrong after all. Might does not make right. How can it, when Mark is so clearly right at this moment, despite being so thoroughly outmatched.
You put that beautifully. A like isn't enough.
Think mark, think!
@Jack Alan From what I’ve heard, the comic absolutely is outshined by the show’s adaptation in most ways, but Amber specifically is much better in the comic than she is in the show
@Jack Alan Honestly, I wouldn’t, but her characterization falls apart when she admits to knowing the truth about Mark. She deliberately puts her own desires over other people’s lives and safety, and despite knowing Mark had to have almost died at one point, still gets upset when she gets stood up by Mark and even when he saves their lives right in front of her. She has no good reason to be as mad with Mark as she is if she really knew he was Invincible for as long as she said she did, but she does anyway and in hindsight it ends up being very selfish and outright disrespectful. She would be so much better if either
A.) She expressed her disappointment with Mark better, not berating him and instead being more understanding but still upset about a lack of communication
B.) She was genuinely just unaware of Mark’s identity. It’s still possible for her to be mad with mark after learning about his identity, but the writers for whatever reason wanted her to “subvert expectations” and ended up ruining the credibility she had going for her
I really don’t want to hate Amber’s character, but I just can’t ignore what her knowing about Invincible does to her overall character.
That's only in our framework of morality. There is absolutely no guarantee that aliens could feel what we feel and believe in what we believe. For example, we are compassionate by nature, whereas mantis are cannibals and eat their own babies, and there is nothing wrong with that in their perspective. Something like that, but with more variation and crazier extremes, should also be true about aliens.
If you think about it, the mom saved the world. She showed Omni-man the joys of having a child. Omni-man slowly but surely changed during those 17 years.
That's what I was gonna say
It’s true, and it’s interesting to see how he was affected emotionally within such a small fraction of his lifetime
Being on earth made him soft but then again his kind almost went extinct etc. Also he last line of the royal family pure blood
too bad she didn't show the joys of not commiting genocide
Nolan doesn’t know it but he’s more human then he even realizes
Yep, that’s why Mark says he’d still have him after 500 years; he knows that Earth changed him
*spoilers for comics*
the rest of viltrumites show up to earth to repopulate by breeding with humans. Thragg (the viltrumite bossman) tells them to not get attached to the humans. Pretty much all the viltrumites start to settle with human families after a few years and become less evil like omni-man. there was this one viltrumite who had children with dozens of woman and he had some explaining to do all of them
Stfu
@@wizardmagic1580 General Kregg STFU
@@wizardmagic1580 I love how you said spoiler but the two dudes below you were like stfu like bruh why did they even click it lmao
0:56 That gasp from Omni-Man was a great detail. That horrified yet guilty look was so satisfying. The way his expression went from "What have I done?!" to "I did this. This is my fault."
He realized that he wasn't punching some enemy soldier into the dirt.
He was a father trying to murder his own flesh and blood.
You can tell his parental instincts kicked in for a second when heard Mark say “Dad?”, and at that point, he realized he couldn’t kill his own child.
Like the Castlevania anime when the fight enters Alucard's room.
"My boy, I'm killing my boy. Lisa, your greatest gift to me and I'm killing him"
Omni-Man learnt a big lesson:
You can't parry the feels
Mark be like after losing most the fight: Parry this you fucking casual
When Mark said "Dad?" at the end.... damn that cuts deep. Even after his own father beats him up almost to the brink of death, Mark still has this small sense of hope... so glad this show is getting picked up for season 2 and 3 cause WOW this show was phenomenal writing
The show is definitely better tham the comics
@@darabyss9963 Is literally the same history as the comic
@@xanadryl5691 there's a few changes but mostly yeah
@@xanadryl5691 The comics are EPIC but he made so many good changes even if small that it some how makes the characters and story even more compelling I love what they did to atom eve so far and everything really and that they mad mark and his mom Asian in the comics it was kind of left in the air
@@darabyss9963 Robert Kirkman is heavily invested in the show. He has said that the changes in the show are due to him being more experienced and feeling that he's a far better writer then when he did the original comic run.
When he said “Dad” it was like a little kid calling his dad for comfort and love. 😔
The most gut wrenching attack he could have sent
A lot of soldiers recount how scared men would cry out to their mothers in life or death situations.
@@DevilZero7 damn. I can understand that. 😢
@@DevilZero7 They told us that before we deployed. They also said "You will find God in a foxhole." Praying just to make it stop and live.
But it was more like the last bullet who penetrated the will of his father. Nolan was already concerned, confused and mentally charged, and Mark saying "Dad" was what finished him off.
Watched the show because of the Meme
Stayed for the Plot
Thank You Meme Makers
No problem bro
The show needs to get recognized
i really did come just for the memes but it seems like a really intresting show, ill start watching it tommorow.
Same here, thanks to the meme 😌
I watched this show because of the violent clip
I watched the show because of the funny Cave Johnson meme. Now I feel broken
For the first time in who knows how long, Omni-Man felt like an absolute monster. He felt he was wrong. And if only for a moment, he felt ashamed of who and what he is. That's deep.
I was struggling for days to find the best encapsulation of this scene and you nailed it. No super strength, super speed, or “enlightened” Viltrumite perspective is going to absolve Nolan of what he did to Mark - and he knows it
@@BirdmanDeuce26 i don't get why everyone focuses on that part only, beating up his son is redeemable, the mass murdering not so much
@KitchensAreHot Hard to imagine that making sense after the whole subway scene
@@Freeman10001 The main reason why people focus on Nolan beating up his son in this scene is because that’s exactly what he feels bad for, and why he leaves Earth in the end. Nolan doesn’t care for human life, he believes humans are below him and that they’re all insignificant in the end, so of course he’s not going to feel remorse for any of that going on. But the thing that sets him off and gives him even a shred of morality is seeing his son hurt, beat down and nearly dead, and knowing that he’s the one that caused that to happen. He doesn’t want to admit it, but he grew attached to Earth in a way, and Mark, along with Debbie, is the main reason why.
@@bluerious5475 It’s the human trait that his son showed him that snapped him out of it - unconditional love
Someone commented once that Omni-man isn't trying to convince Mark to go along with the plan, but himself, which is honestly a perfect way to describe early Omni-man
He almost responded when Mark said "Dad?"
He almost wanted to say, "Yes, son?" But knew he couldn't, so flew away.
Holy shit, I didn't notice that. The animation team is S rank.
And the VA too. The almost "Yes, son?"
it hurts because he's fighting his warrior side while trying to be a father
@GoTi4No True. Hopefully, it's mostly good. I'm okay with it so far.
@@vgc_ivan8391 It hurts because you know you'd abandon your daughter just for some random dolphin you'd met in the ocean only to bail her in jail after 16 years
You can tell how much he really cares. After mark says "Dad?" He immediately puts all attention to him with the most honest and sorry look on his face.
In his dad after what he done to him and the world.
You can tell that once mark says "Dad?" Omni wants to say "Yes, Mark?" But he can't. Because of the atrocity he just committed. Wow.
Damn...the small part of detail just made him more human and real
Or "Yes, son?" Either of which he knew would break him. Because that would bring him full circle to the full impact of what he was trying to deny - that he was literally killing his own son, the boy he'd raised for 17 years. And those 17 years, for how small, how "insignificant" they would be in a Viltrumite's lifespan, cut him deeper than thousands of years of upbringing. It's utterly insane to him, that he was more human than Viltrumite after just 17 years.
Oh geez i never noticed
Mark’s a true hero. He saved the world by continuing to believe in his father that he could be better even through all the carnage and bloodshed. Amazon you got one damn good show on your hands just let em work and dont get in their way.
Fr
There's just going to be adapting Robert Kirkman's story they can't fuck it up if they trued
@@donbeedrill if you dont think a billion dollar company can fuck up an adaptation of a story then where have you been living for the past 10 years. Also there already starting to deviate from the main comic in certain story beats so its not going to be a one to one with the comic.
It’s a comic look it up it’s wayyyy better.
@@donbeedrill right ?!!
That gasp at 0:57 shows how he's realised what he's doing to his son and his shock towards how despite all he's done, Mark still sees him as his father
Reminds me of the fight between Alucard and Dracula at the end of season 1 of Castlevania. Dracula finally comes to his senses that he is fighting and killing his son.
@@vaevictis5178 season 4 trailer for Castlevania too!!!
no shit
1:13 is that a tear drop?
@@wackjack5667 yes.
"What will you have in 5 years?"
Me: "You, I still have you."
My Interviewer: "What?"
Me: "What?"
Then the interviewer just drives away crying
LMFAO
"Sorry what was the question again?" 😂
The fact that Nolan was about to cry right there over his son’s body is the best part. He wanted to, and you can tell he forced himself to leave instead because the moment he did he couldn’t pretend to be a viltrumite anymore.
He was crying in fact, watch it in full screen on 720i and you can see his tears right after the blood on his hands burns away.
@@pedinhuh16 Not to mention it literally zooms in on his tears floating in space at the end of the video, you could see that in 120p
He also realizes that he will never be able to fix what he's done. Slaughtering thousands of people and nearly killing your own son isn't exactly something you can just come back and apologize for.
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means There would still be some resentment towards him but if that happens and he does genuinely intend to help, it could be his one chance at redemption
The fact that Mark not only shamed Nolan with love, but also got Nolan to be completely ashamed of himself.
And he put up with every hit Nolan threw at him and still did this. Mad respect.
@@aurumthebrave3427 And the goddamn train scene.
Even after that…
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 bruh that part gave me goosebumps
"WHAT WILL U HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS??"
"t-these pictures of spiderman..."
What anime is your pfp from?
@@Stormtrooper-li1je Manga called high rise invasion i think
...
"I'll give ya 200 bucks for all of 'em."
this is a great comment
For those that missed it, at 1:13 the liquid that closes out the scene is Omni mans tears. Watch closely as he exits the earth’s atmosphere. Everything else burned off as he flew through the atmosphere, but he continued to cry after, which is why its the only thing left to cover the final frame.
Incredible detail by the studio artists/animators.
Wow great catch! Thanks for that perspective.
@planners1536he wasn't. That was marks blood, not his
Man And here I thought he tinkled himself a little.
You can also see at 1:11 just before Omniman flies away his face has liquid streaming from his eyeballs down to his cheeks.
Idky I thought they were asteroids 💀
even though he took the most terrible beating, he still landed a devastating blow on Omniman
the whole fight Omni-man was trying to convince himself he was right
Well, he was somewhat right in some aspects. Even killing ~2000 people is nothing if you consider that 9 million people die from hunger alone... each year. So if Viltrum will solve hunger and thirst problems alone.... On the other hand, how many lives self-determination costs?.. How Viltrum taxes will affect Earth? It's not easy discussion... But discussions is not how things on Viltrum get decided. It's who the strongest... basically, Omni-Man made every effort in the Mark's persuasion he could ^^
no, he was right.
when rudy takes over the earth in couple of hours both atom eve and invincible fuck off into space
nothing changes on earth - everything remains fucked up
@@ImperativeGames Oh they absolutely are right. But we can't have a show about an advanced alien race taking pity on humans and fixing our shit. That would be "fascism".
@@asddsa8203 Well, in current political climate it's risky... but also it's just hard to write. If you are writing from the point of view of the human then it's "sit back & watch" how aliens work... Where is the conflict?.. And the hero should be (pro)active.
If it's from the POV of the "progressor" then it's much easier to make it that someone from Earth is encountering primitive humanlike aliens. Still, watching how schools and powerplants are being built for year and years is boring... So, only a few books like about stuff like that.
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Also, benevolent aliens are a bad idea for the book because it teaches to rely on someone else and not taking responsibility for yourself.
Man, I didn't notice Nolan's tears the moment he left Earth, such a great little detail.
@Warpdroid *N* *U* *T*
That split second of pure despair on Omni Man’s face when he says “You’ll live to see this planet crumble to dust” says that he’s been through that cycle more times than he can count.
Omniman is over 2000 years old and by viltrumite standarts he must be 35-45 years old in human time.Having a life span that long must be a curse😭
@@Catarssis347 do vultrimites live forever?
@@mrepical7235 Nope, they are extremely long lived.
They age very slowly, Omniman tells his son that every person he knows will be long dead before he even looks 30.
@mrepical7235 Little Late, but I am pretty sure Viltrumites can live for thousands of years and age slower the older they get.
I love that you can see the EXACT moment Omniman thinks to himself “what the fuck have I done”
The change in animation during this entire scene was crazy.. This series is nothing short of GREAT.. & the best has yet to come 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, who's excited to watch Mark get raped by a stronger female viltrumite and never resolve that storyline? Invincible's story sucks
@@thomasdavis2650 They, kinda do though. She becomes pregnant with Mark's son, remember? She dies saving Mark's, Eve's lives in the final battle. She feels nothing but shame about the act, but nothing but love for her son. Her son grows up wanting to be like his father and stays on Earth, but can't let the idea of the act of his creation being violence. He seeks out Mark on another planet....I'm not trying to post all the spoilers, but the resolution of that storyline? Just like with Robot, or Eve, or Mark missing for years while his daughter grows up without him, his Dad, even Alan the Alien, the resolution isn't clean or feel-good. It just is.
@@thomasdavis2650 jeez who pissed in your cornflakes
@@thomasdavis2650 They did resolve the storyline you're just butthurt about how they did it lol
@@thomasdavis2650 did you really just spoil the show? Gtfi
Nolan’s entire facial journey during this whole scene is beautiful, the terrible viltrumite soldier is being held back by the humanity he’s gained and by 0:49 humanity is winning the last “dad” breaks the soldier and it’s just a dad realizing “what have I done?”
If only Invincible would twerk during combat to show his even softer side of humanity.
@@DeepThinker193 EW DISGUSTING GET OUT!!
@@DeepThinker193 yeah!!!
@@jnut9494 I-I'm sorry. He should have told Omni man he was non-binary and that he infact identifies as an apache attack helicopter. I'm sure the beating would have been softer then since he no longer identifies with humanity.
@@DeepThinker193 he wouldve ripped his head off if he said some shit like that
Invincible: * shows an emotionally scarring moment between a conflicted son and his dad who has done unforgivable actions *
The Internet: "Aight let's meme this scene"
Whats funny (in a fucked up way) about this fight is that its obvious Nolan was doing all of this more to convince himself he was right than his son in the end.
Facts.
Bingo! 🎯🎯🎯 Especially when he said well I'll start over and I have another child. He was trying to convince himself that what he was doing was ok and marks life didn't matter.
Yeah they pushed that out too much. The Nolan in the comics was a soldier. Duty came first n it was clear. He only cracked when mark sad I’ll only have u dad
@@golden1_1dragon12 Well, Nolan in the show is what they always wanted to convey. Robert Kirkman always disliked how limited they were when they were writing/drawing the comics because their publishers kept telling them to limit the number of panels they were physically allowed to put into the books, so they had to cut a bunch of stuff out. Now, Kirkman enjoys that he has much more room to add in a lot of the things that they always wanted to put in but never could, as well as redo things that they always thought they could have done better from a creative standpoint.
@@MrJH101 I hope ur right n that the director himself is in control of the creative. Direction in the series.
Still lame they cut out the part I mentioned tho. The personal confirmation from nolan that the guardians were his friends n he was happy for a time n nearly lost sight of his purpose on earth
animators did a great job with Nolan's expressions, the pain and guilt is immense.
This is probably the most amount of animation frames ever made for him. Most of the time he's very still with some movements.
@@MrXabungle Still better then those copy/paste crows xD
i haven't watched this show but could tell the animators were a little out of their element on the action scenes, a little jaggedly. but looks like they put a lot of effort into it
Ngl, Nolan explaining to Mark why he should join him while Mark is completely pummeled has meme potential
ruclips.net/video/1pBiY0CL-r8/видео.html
It has begun.
@@Dachief54 it's perfect
Yeah, like he could've convinced Mark by telling him the humans would be safe and would be protected by the viltrumites in return that they expand their empire to this planet, and that it would bring world peace to them and end all major problems they had with their society. Honestly he could've explained it better but the way he explained was okay I suppose
@@code6843 Nah he explained it right the first time. It was when he called his wife a pet that Mark flipped out and Omni/man kept trying to tell Mark through violence.
@@ggennaios2255 Now, I know that SOUNDS bad...
I just love how deep this scene is.
Yes, Nolan retreated because Mark caused Nolan's human side to resurface and prevail over the viltrumite. But the real hero here is Debbie. Nolan wouldn't even have a human side if not for her. Indirectly she's the one that saved Earth.
Debbie is the real MVP of the story.
Wtf hahahahahahaha
@@dink72115 WTF do you mean wtf? It's clearly shown in later episodes. Debbie encourages Nolan to engage with Mark, to participate in human activities. She think he's an aloof alien from a utopian world she's encouraging to enjoy simple things in life (instead of a space nazi) but she is the one who keeps bringing him down to Earth, as it were.
@@woodrobin baaaaahahahahahahaha I'm dying.
@@woodrobin Mark Is the reason why Nolan has a human side. Even though if the viltrimites took over the world would be a better place. Debbie just birthed Mark. Big fucking deal.
At 0:54 When mark calls Omniman dad, you can see how he jumps. Like he's realizing just what he's done as he's standing over his son. Its like he instinctively reacted to his sons jumbled and painful voice, only to realize that he's the one who caused it.
Those grunts of sadness and frustration by J.K Simmons right before Omni-Man flies into space, that’s a straight up ace performance from him.
It's one of the of those logically obvious yet emotionally deep answers. Reminds me of what Keanu responded when Colbert asked him, "what do you think happens when we die?", to which Keanu replied "I know the ones who love us, will miss us"
I remember that interview.
Anyone else love Steven's ability to give such emotion? 2 iconic scenes in less than 3 years of each other:
"I'll find you Maggie"
"You dad, I'll still have you"
The Walking Dead Season 7 Episode 1 “The Day Will Come When You won’t be” was released on October 23rd 2016.
Invincible Season 1 Episode 8 “Where I really come from” released April 30th 2021. That’s over 4 and a half years.
@@Unti1tmrw”🤓☝️”
@@Unti1tmrw😐
Both in series created by robert kirkland btw. Wild
"I'm finally getting my powers dad!"
Now we all know why Omni Man didn't want Mark to get his powers.
Correct, in his mind it would have been to watch his son die of old age instead of forcing him to remember why he came there in the first place.
@@robertjrhankins8210 🎯
what are you talking about ? he wanted his son to get powers so he could join the empire
@@idontneedaname318 Somewhat. He wanted him to join but feared his son either wouldn't have powers or that Mark wouldn't want to join. Double edged sword
@@idontneedaname318 I mean sure, there was a part of him that knew his son could end up gaining powers much like his own. The shock and complete and utter shutdown he had when Mark told him at dinner though, made him remember his original mission's time table. He was given 500yrs or so to prepare Earth for Viltrumite takeover. Everything changed for Nolan in that second and why he just dove into taking out the Guardians of the Globe without REALLY thinking it through. I am sure he wished he could just chill and "be" for a while but, nature finds away, lol.
Am I the only one who felt like they were gonna cry when they heard Mark struggle to call out to Nolan “d-dad”
Man i teared up quick no lie
Almost shed a tear. Definitely hit me in the feels.
Straight up cried hahaha.
I'm trying not to man! I swear to god! If I hit replay I'm fuckin done for!
nah i definitely cried
The sound of mark struggling to breathe actually really disturbed me
Even the way he talked sounds like his teeth was busted out and in very deep pain.
You should see him with his eyeball popped out.
Reminded me of “maggie ill find you”
@@mynamelsaustin3169 it's the same guy...Steven Yuen.
He'll be alright it's going to happen a no. Of times so yeah don't worry about it.
"You dad. I'd still have you."
That last "dad?" Fucking killed me as a mom. When your baby says that, that hits like a mac truck. I'm glad omni man had a change of heart. Seemed like he pulled his punches too.
1:04 notice that normally Omni-Man always creates a huge shockwave from the force of his legs every time he flies toward the sky. This time he just pulled himself upward to avoid hurting his son anymore than he already did.
that or the animators didn't animate it
@@idontneedaname318 would be weird to not animate that when it's been so far consistent
@@luigiwiiUU
yeah, he even did that to Debbie when that Earthling managed to kick her world-conquering husband out of the house lol, except he kinda makes a hole on the roof.
@@luigiwiiUU have you seen atom eve symbol? The animation of this show has a lot of room for improvement.
@@miloshojman5473 Ngl, I always thought she's called Adam Eve and that's why her symbol is just the female symbol with an X.
I like how Mark goes and fights with his father even though he knows he doesn't have a chance simply because it's the right thing to do
Even J.K Simons voice acting is Oscar worthy. 🔥❤️
ruclips.net/video/1pBiY0CL-r8/видео.html 🔥
I watched invincible with my dad. We watched this scene together. When he said the line, I looked at my dad. He was just staring at the screen, devoid of most of emotion. He was definitely deep in thought, when the episode ended, he told me how much he loved that scene
"My boy... I'm killing my boy... "
Same energy
Dracula
Lmao
Was thinking the same thing lmfaoooo
Pretty much the same
The hardest part now is that we have to wait a year or more for season 2
And hopefully with the budget they deserve.
@@atriiio4244 every show Amazon has put out has been an absolute banger. invincible is doing very well, so Amazon might even give them a higher budget this time around
Or for you to wait on these nutz on your chin.
Ikr!? I wanna see my boi [redacted]
The good thing is that it appears that amazon liked invincible very much since they announced that season 2 and 3 are confirmed
0:02 Every abusers favorite line
Ive never heard an abuser talk about everyone around me dying /s
@@j2daakob The abusers you've heard about probably aren't Viltrumites
Perfection in four words
That's what makes this show so real. Everyone is relatable and understandable, whether good or evil.
Yeap they always blame others and accuse everyone for their Behavior and Abusive Actions they never take responsibility for themselves
My favorite aspect of Omni man's retreat isn't that he feels bad, it's that Mark and humanity in general managed to warp Nolan's view of life itself. Omni Man previously admitted to being happy "for a time" while on Earth. He comes from a Race that see's itself fit to claim the Galaxy and is most likely one of its strongest members. You don't become a dedicated elite soldier to represent the entire planet without a sense of pride for your accomplishments.
I haven't read the comics (and I don't want to until the series is finished) but assume leaving your post in the eyes of a Viltrum is treason. Nolan's belief in his entire planet was shaken by someone of who. he originally planned to just be a power investment... What he didn't realize was it became an emotional investment, and if he truly didn't care about humanity he wouldn't have killed so many people to try and prove otherwise.
Nolan is so loyal to and afraid of his own brutal, savage, Sayajin-like race that his attempts to quell his fear is denying the love he's developed for earth by preaching Viltrumite propaganda and mowing down people he claims to consider subhuman. The truth of the matter is that it's a good thing Mark turned out to be a Viltrumite. Because it takes that fearful and enraged beating he delivered to Mark in order for him to realize that the power of a Viltrumite, the thing that used to define Nolan his whole life, meant absolutely nothing to Mark (in what could possibly be his final moments.) Omniman has hardly ever needed to worry about death, and coming from a planet that decided on a whim to commit genocide on itself just to stress test the hell out of evolution, his society likely values fight or flight if they are ever against the ropes. The fact that Mark, in Nolan's eyes, is a Viltrumite fighting with the same Zeal that Nolan has for his empire is the final confirmation needed for Nolan to realize the lie he's been living. His shame in killing creatures he lived amongst and protected for decades was strong enough to cause him to leave, a planet he could easily conquer became guilt so deeply rooted his blood soaked hands, for the first time, felt like blood that shouldn't have been there.
I don't want to spoil it but let's just say once Omni Man becomes the leader of the viltrumites, they go from a Savage war-like Race to a peaceful race only using their power when their loved ones are threatened
J.K Simmons and Steven Yeun respectively voiced both Tenzin and Avatar Wan in LOK
Just imagine Tenzin beating the shit out of Wan*
Yeah I can see that. Avatar Wan was a stupid.
@@plumberjohn2737 lol
Now I see why omnis voice is so similar. So in previous life as Tenzin he gets but kicked by everyone now he is a sadistic villain
Oh J. Jameson boking glen with a bat for pictures of spiderman
“What will you have after 100 avatar cycles?”
omni man : they will call you a menace
invincible : Mmm it's only u who calls me that
Bruh
Nice😎👌
Langstron on the second season: me too
Just like that no good Spiderman!
Alla yall are jabbering about "Oh father son so sweet" but no one comments on the fact that the blood and dirt burns off omni-man as he flies through the upper atmosphere. Such great attention to detail.
yes
to me the blood burning away and his uniform cleaning up was a symbolism of him finding redemption to his way back to being a good being again...very powerful visual technique to do that with...
@Rōnin In fairness, a lot of that WASN'T Mark's blood.
Alot of people talk about that, cool minor detail vs best scene of all time, wonder which one people will talk about more...
I could actually feel the pain Mark felt when he said, "You Dad, I still have you." And I felt really bad for him , and when he called out for Nolan , saying "Dad" he wasn't scared , but he wanted Nolan to comfort him, making sure he would be there in 500 years, I still remember I cried when I saw that part.
The fact he tried to hold back tears, really kills it
I think the only reason this moment hit Nolan so much is that after all the painful things Mark was put through, Mark still acknowledge Nolan as his father, after all the relentless beat up, Mark never forgot who his father was and that hits right in the feels man
"I'd still have you."
That moment got me, and it got to Omniman too. Mark is just the greatest noble soul.
The sad thing is this is the same day that Mark was excited because he got to team up with his dad and fight the giant , poor Mark
Since the beginning of the fight, I think Nolan was trying to convince himself more than Mark, and destroying everything he carred about was the only solution he thought to detach himself. He's been a Viltrumite for centuries, but a human for only a couple of years.
I remember when Omniman was just a college band director.
I remember when he was just an editor and Chief and wanted pictures of Spider-Man
He knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two...
@@DanTheMailman330 of course he was the police commissioner at Gotham city
Remember when he was a monk?
i remember that laugh he made when some guy asked him for a raise
That one tear drop floating in space in the end hits me so much harder than anything I could have imagined.
0:56 In Omni-Man's mind: *"My boy... i'm killing my boy..."*
Top-notch Castlevania reference right here
The dropping tear while he says " you dad, i'd still have you" is hearth breaking.
At 0:55 when Mark said Dad, and Nolan gasped in disbelief, I felt that T-T...
He's crying because he knows he'll never get that picture of spider-man
He's also crying because Mark was dragging and not rushing.
@@TheNightofWalpurgis666 NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO SON!
Nolan: WHERE IS THE PICTURE OF SPIDERMAN, MARK?!?
Mark: That picture isn't good for your health so I burned it.
Nolan: (Cries and flies off knowing that he will never get a good picture of Spiderman again)
@@nathanielleack4842 😂😂😂😂
The subtle gasp after mark says "dad" gets me every time.
Yeah just love the stance that they give Omni-man . Like the way they make him bigger than Mark. his positioning really adds to the dialog.
Omni man Making his case to Mark about saving the world whilst covered in human blood and brains is the most ironic and funniest things ever
that’s the pain of being a child. despite all the parent does to you you’ll always love them and want them.
I don't want to spoil anything and it was in the comics but you never know if it'll make it into the show. But debbie has a very rough patch and she says some real hurtful shit to mark along the lines of it being his fault and questioning his choice to fight back. Strong emotions can make people very irrational.
@@josephnapolitano5864 oh believe me ik the story I've read it
I shouldn’t have laughed so hard at this
I love how him saying " I still have you dad." Cut deeper than any knife could have. And him still calling him dad at the end just twists it