Great video as always. I recently installed the Timber Grove air bags. Was much easier install than these. Air lines route through the frame so no possible rubbing. Plus you don’t have to cut the bump stops so I can go back to stock if needed.
Damn, that would have been nice. Really didn’t want to cut the bump stops lol. Are the Timber Grove ones newer? I didn’t see them when I was searching for kits.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy Timber grove is definitely not as well known as air lift. I wasn’t sure which one to go with but so far happy I went with Timber Grove.
Yes 😢 Took me a while to notice but I did find the rear end to be more stiff, I assume because the internal bump stops are making contact too soon. I thought of maybe switching for the bags without the bump stops but someone else on here claims those still do the same thing. If that’s true then the only way to avoid it would be to add a little air. Probably why they recommend 5 psi at all times.
The only Firestone kit i was aware of at the time of making this was the kit that replaced the coil spring with an air bag. I'm not a fan of that, being a heavy truck tech and seeing air bags constantly blow out, I felt that keeping the springs was a better choice.
@@johnathandaniel89 I assume that's 6 in the front and 4 in the back? Or is it 6 all the way around? I think the bags would work with a 2"-4" rear lift, but 6" in the rear would be pushing it. You'd have to fab up a spacer for the bag, otherwise it wouldn't offer any support until the back end squats 2" or so.
Inserts, I was toying between those and the coil replacement bags (Firestone). I'll go the coil replacement.... why wouldn't you have gone that way, are they legal in the states?
@@linobrajuha1743 You mean replacing the rear coils with something stiffer? Then I would have to worry about how my rode height would be affected in relation to the front (I hate when the back site 3” higher than the front), and stiffer springs = a harsher ride all the time. Stock springs with air bags is best if both worlds.
Sadly, the Air Lift 5000s without the internal bumpstop won't help the ride quality. I've swapped mine and while the ride quality improved marginally it still doesn't ride NEARLY as nice as it did before the Air Lift stuff went in. I've documented the whole debacle on the 5thgenrams forum. For anyone interested, look for the thread titled "Air Lift 5000 Airbags on a Rebel". I'm planning on removing the entire system because I'm tired of Air Lift's lack of interest in addressing this issue. I even have a friend who works there and they know of the problem, but aren't doing anything about it. Do NOT buy this kit. At least that's my advice.
@@kamsornthan5985 Hard to say since I was filming and did it over several days and had to go get spray paint plus remove the old bags from rear coils. If you had everything you needed and did it all in 1 shot then probably like 4 hours give or take.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy I suppose. Great Video though. I really appreciate the detail you went into. Looks like you identified all of the anticipated problems during installation.
Any comment on how the bags are holding up over time? I have been looking at installing these but don't want to spend the money if the bags don't hold up.
I actually traded the truck in when the lease was up at the end of 2021, but they were holding up good still. Definitely better than the Air Lift 1000 HD that I originally put in. My only complaint was I could feel the internal bump stop on these bottoming out on moderate bumps when there was no air in the bags. Someone else said they could feel it even without the bump stops inside, so just keep that in mind if ultimate ride quality is your goal. It’s fine with air in the bag, but if you’re empty on a crappy road, the truck can’t soak up bumps quite as well as stock form without the bags.
Hey tony create video bud I appreciated it. But I think I’m going to take your advise and get the cheaper setup because of them bump stops. But I still want the stainless lines. Do you by any chance have the specs on those lines and fittings so I can just buy them separate. Thanks again
Unfortunately I’m not sure what size the lines were. Someone else on here also posting saying that the kit without the bump stops still makes the ride stiffer because the bag still bottoms out on itself. I can’t weigh in on that since I never tried that style though. I don’t see how it could be worse than mine. I’ll try to check out some fittings at work tomorrow and see what style/size the fittings were. Pretty sure the ID of the lines were just 1/4”, but the ends were flared.
@@wadeforster878 I believe the fittings on the bag are a 1/4” or 1/8” pipe thread going into the bag with a 1/8” MPT style on the other end of the fitting where the lines connect. Can’t remember 100 % though.
Tony quick question is your truck a 4 wheel drive Or 2 wheel drive? I called Airlift and Apparently they don’t sell the lift kit shown on the video for a 2 wheel Drive . Thanks
Thank you👍🏽 Great video and very detailed. I am planning to do this on my Ram truck. By the way your video is much better than the one Airlift shows on their website😆 Thank you!!
My top bracket broke that connects to the frame. The part with two bolts top to bottom. How hard would that be to change out? Airlift sent me the part, but I don’t have tools to do this. What would a mechanic generally charge? Do the bags have to be brought down to zero to give room to work on the bag brackets?
I’m sure an hour or 2 worth of labor whatever the shop labor rate is. That should be plenty of time to replace the upper bracket even if the back and lower mount meet to come back off.
Hey Man. Great video. Thanks for taking the time to do this video. Those instructions read like stereo instructions. I bought the same kit, found your video, and went step by step with Relatively easy install. I am no mechanic by any means, so having this to walk me through was a huge help. #allblackdodgeram.
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Great video. Excellent explanations, good articulation, and great video. Lots of good advice. 👍
@@louisparent1061 Thank you!
I'm installing mine now. This video has been a big help.
Glad I could help!
Great video as always. I recently installed the Timber Grove air bags. Was much easier install than these. Air lines route through the frame so no possible rubbing. Plus you don’t have to cut the bump stops so I can go back to stock if needed.
Damn, that would have been nice. Really didn’t want to cut the bump stops lol. Are the Timber Grove ones newer? I didn’t see them when I was searching for kits.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy Timber grove is definitely not as well known as air lift. I wasn’t sure which one to go with but so far happy I went with Timber Grove.
@@adamgardiner1845 I’ll have to check them out! Are yours the ones that replace the factory coil spring? Or do they work in tandem like the air lift?
Great video. Beautiful truck!
Thank you!
Did this cause your truck in the rear to not have much give and ride like crap
Yes 😢 Took me a while to notice but I did find the rear end to be more stiff, I assume because the internal bump stops are making contact too soon. I thought of maybe switching for the bags without the bump stops but someone else on here claims those still do the same thing. If that’s true then the only way to avoid it would be to add a little air. Probably why they recommend 5 psi at all times.
That was a great and detailed install 👍😁
Thank you!
Why would you go through the hassle of this installation, when the Firestone kit is bolt on, easy peasey, no cutting, and is the industry standard.
The only Firestone kit i was aware of at the time of making this was the kit that replaced the coil spring with an air bag. I'm not a fan of that, being a heavy truck tech and seeing air bags constantly blow out, I felt that keeping the springs was a better choice.
Im taking mine in to be installed. They are trying to tell me it takes 4 hours. Is this true ? They install these every day.
That’s probably what I had into mine for labor if I had to guess. I’m sure it’s possible to do it faster though.
Will this kit work if the truck is lifted
How much lift?
@@TonyTheTruckGuy 6 inch rough country
@@johnathandaniel89 I assume that's 6 in the front and 4 in the back? Or is it 6 all the way around? I think the bags would work with a 2"-4" rear lift, but 6" in the rear would be pushing it. You'd have to fab up a spacer for the bag, otherwise it wouldn't offer any support until the back end squats 2" or so.
Only issues I see are the lines that are going to rub like crazy against the sway bar end links. Great job otherwise!
They’re zip tied around the top of the sway bar links
Awesome video. A+
Thanks!
Thanks for your opinion on the coil
Inserts, I was toying between those and the coil replacement bags (Firestone). I'll go the coil replacement.... why wouldn't you have gone that way, are they legal in the states?
@@linobrajuha1743 You mean replacing the rear coils with something stiffer? Then I would have to worry about how my rode height would be affected in relation to the front (I hate when the back site 3” higher than the front), and stiffer springs = a harsher ride all the time. Stock springs with air bags is best if both worlds.
Sadly, the Air Lift 5000s without the internal bumpstop won't help the ride quality. I've swapped mine and while the ride quality improved marginally it still doesn't ride NEARLY as nice as it did before the Air Lift stuff went in. I've documented the whole debacle on the 5thgenrams forum. For anyone interested, look for the thread titled "Air Lift 5000 Airbags on a Rebel". I'm planning on removing the entire system because I'm tired of Air Lift's lack of interest in addressing this issue. I even have a friend who works there and they know of the problem, but aren't doing anything about it. Do NOT buy this kit. At least that's my advice.
So even without the internal bump stops, the bags still make constant and inhibit suspension travel? Wow I’m kinda surprised.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy yep.... Air Lift sent them to me free in hopes of it resolving the issue, but nope. And I haven't heard back from them since.
@@tommyr95 That’s unfortunate because I really did like the rest of the kit. The decrease in ride quality was my only gripe.
How many hour front starts to finished
@@kamsornthan5985 Hard to say since I was filming and did it over several days and had to go get spray paint plus remove the old bags from rear coils. If you had everything you needed and did it all in 1 shot then probably like 4 hours give or take.
Um isn’t there a lifetime warranty on the 1000 airbag system?
I guess I’m not sure, but the 5000 is superior anyways and I’d rather not have to warranty out a set of bags every year haha
@@TonyTheTruckGuy I suppose. Great Video though. I really appreciate the detail you went into. Looks like you identified all of the anticipated problems during installation.
@@TheMonkdad Thanks! I tried haha 😅
Any comment on how the bags are holding up over time? I have been looking at installing these but don't want to spend the money if the bags don't hold up.
I actually traded the truck in when the lease was up at the end of 2021, but they were holding up good still. Definitely better than the Air Lift 1000 HD that I originally put in. My only complaint was I could feel the internal bump stop on these bottoming out on moderate bumps when there was no air in the bags. Someone else said they could feel it even without the bump stops inside, so just keep that in mind if ultimate ride quality is your goal. It’s fine with air in the bag, but if you’re empty on a crappy road, the truck can’t soak up bumps quite as well as stock form without the bags.
etching primer pre paint is always good.
Hey tony create video bud I appreciated it. But I think I’m going to take your advise and get the cheaper setup because of them bump stops. But I still want the stainless lines. Do you by any chance have the specs on those lines and fittings so I can just buy them separate. Thanks again
Unfortunately I’m not sure what size the lines were. Someone else on here also posting saying that the kit without the bump stops still makes the ride stiffer because the bag still bottoms out on itself. I can’t weigh in on that since I never tried that style though. I don’t see how it could be worse than mine. I’ll try to check out some fittings at work tomorrow and see what style/size the fittings were. Pretty sure the ID of the lines were just 1/4”, but the ends were flared.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy oh ok well I can always just order it and try out some test fits. Thanks again
@@wadeforster878 I believe the fittings on the bag are a 1/4” or 1/8” pipe thread going into the bag with a 1/8” MPT style on the other end of the fitting where the lines connect. Can’t remember 100 % though.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy thanks brother I appreciate it. Other then the rougher ride you still happy with the performance of the bags
@@wadeforster878 I actually traded the truck in last fall for a Jeep, but up until I traded it in, I didn’t have any issues.
Dont say 19 plus, as a 22 looks completely different.
Well it was an accurate statement for 3 years 😅
Tony quick question is your truck a 4 wheel drive Or 2 wheel drive? I called Airlift and Apparently they don’t sell the lift kit shown on the video for a 2 wheel Drive . Thanks
Oh yes mine is 4wd. Not sure what would be different about it though
@@TonyTheTruckGuyThank you
Thank you👍🏽 Great video and very detailed. I am planning to do this on my Ram truck. By the way your video is much better than the one Airlift shows on their website😆 Thank you!!
Glad I could help, good luck with install!
Jose, don't do it. Even without an internal bumpstop the reduction in bump travel is very, very noticeable. I wouldn't advise it at all.
My top bracket broke that connects to the frame. The part with two bolts top to bottom. How hard would that be to change out? Airlift sent me the part, but I don’t have tools to do this. What would a mechanic generally charge? Do the bags have to be brought down to zero to give room to work on the bag brackets?
I’m sure an hour or 2 worth of labor whatever the shop labor rate is. That should be plenty of time to replace the upper bracket even if the back and lower mount meet to come back off.
@@TonyTheTruckGuy thank you so much for a timely reply! You’re awesome!
@@TonyTheTruckGuy and EXCELLENT video making!
@@Mike-dm6ek Any time, good luck with the bracket!
Hey Man. Great video. Thanks for taking the time to do this video. Those instructions read like stereo instructions. I bought the same kit, found your video, and went step by step with Relatively easy install. I am no mechanic by any means, so having this to walk me through was a huge help. #allblackdodgeram.
Haha all black dodge Ram 😂 Great, I’m glad the install was a success!