Yes, Bjorn is doing a great job, however, the Teslas tend to under-report the consumption quite a bit, so the real comparison should always happen at the charger...
I bought our first "real" EV (we had a Twizy before) thanks to Bjorn, and it was a Ioniq ! I love it and bjorn's ioniq video convinced us. If sometimes you pass through Geneva, I owe you a beer !
I love my Ioniq. Been getting consistent usage of below 9kWh/100km on my trip to/from work the last months with the GOM reporting around 300km of range when fully charges.
Fantastic! The 'classic' Ioniq is still the car to beat! Given a suitable 100kW charger network, it's perfectly usable. I think small battery + fast charging without compromise is an excellent design as it makes lighter (and cheaper?) cars. And normal people are going to stop for a break every 125 mile/200km anyway so a 10-15 minute 'top up' is not of any consequence. It's still a shame Hyundai messed up the newer 38kWh Ioniq....
I'm not sure how much range you get in 15 minutes on this car. It is quite slow to charge in the end. 7-10 minutes would be the maximum time for a quick toilet break I think. After that you are waiting for the car.
It just shows how important overall weight is to efficiency. Still super impressive that the MiC Model 3 SR+ was so efficient for such a heavy car. It was a very close battle. But arguably the Ioniq isn't a super practical car with 28kWh battery and 230km range (WLTP). Still, really interesting results.
As a Ioniq 28kWh driver I can say that as long as you don't need to que at a charger there is no problems driving a 700km trip. Yeah I need to stop 4 times but it doesn't bother me. 15-20 min stop only
Well. I do find the Ionic interesting as a second car. We have a Tesla as the primary car. But for at second car the 28KWh bought second hand with a couple of years on the bag would be a nice car. Instead of the 11 year old Peugeot 107 we have currently.
In a fact, it is one of the most practical EVs on the market (actually one of the most practical and economical cars ever made). Because in everyday commute what counts is efficiency. For example, as mentioned, Ioniq easily reaches 12kwh/100km mixed driving. With 70kW charging means your charge speed is 580km/h, even if You appear on weaker 40kW charger, You still get 330km/h. Battery never coldgates, goes 70kW straight up to 80%, your average pit stop on the charger will be about 20min (unless you have to wait until some Leaf 2nd gen tops up). Battery size doesn't matter, efficiency and range does, that's why most OEMs' marketing depts advertise only how many kWh they have, but then it appears you get 30kwh/100km on daily basis and rapidgating on longer trips. What also nobody cares to mention while selling You EV is that You will actually have to pay for the charging, and inefficient EV will be more expensive than a diesel to run. And Yes, TM3 is better, but is also newer and much more expensive..
I am so glad you mentioned frontal area. Some people think that coeficcient of drag is all that is required whereas both are required to figure total drag.
THIS is the video the world has been waiting for Yes, the battery-fan is behind the trim where the light is. You can improve cooling if you dismount the side-trim or at least open the trunk and setting AC on "south pole" while charging.
I recently discovered your videos when I was researching the Hyundai Ioniq EV, found a 2019 with only 16k miles and snapped it up after viewing your challenges and reviews. I really wanted a Tesla, but economically the Ioniq is solid. Your strategy with the road challenges and demonstration for winter driving had boosted my confidence with my purchase.
I'm very impressed with the TM3, simply because it's as efficient as the Ioniq 28, only with longer range and faster charging, but as an Ioniq 28 owner, I would like to mention that the ioniq 28 is technology from 2016, and Tesla's technology is the latest
At more than twice the cost of the comparison car, the TM3 should be impressive. The fact that this five year old Korean design car is so efficient is testament to the engineering superiority of the Koreans. Why are the contemporary European cars so poor in comparison? VAG engineers asleep at the desk.
@@minjung3350 The five year old, ICE/Hybrid/EV platform design Ioniq in this video, is a second hand car that is literally half the cost of the brand new, pure EV design, second generation Model 3. Do some research online, you’ll see. It is embarrassing for ALL pure EV engineers including Tesla, VAG, Mercedes, BMW etc that this old, compromised Korean EV design is as good as the best contemporary technology any of the big makers can create. Many ICE owners keep saying that EV technology is changing too fast to buy an EV now and risk falling behind the tech curve. The Hyundai Ioniq proves that is media hype and bull. NONE of the massive car manufacturers, including Tesla with all the power of its technology, has taken a significant step forward in efficiency from the Ioniq. Watch the video again because maybe you didn’t notice that the Ioniq BEAT the Tesla in four out of the five tests. The Tesla lost, fair and square and no amount of fanboy worship changes that.
@@ellistreloar2047 What an argument, the second hand car is cheaper... This Ioniq is sufficient for most situations, but noway a car for the masses. The software is bad in comparison and the range miserable, so you have to rely on working fast chargers, which is a problem sometimes. I would always buy the Tesla, because it has way more possibilities, power, speed, loading capacity and a wonderful charging net. This little consumption difference is negligible and turned around above 120km/h.
1st gen Ioniq is still one of the best cheap but stylish and capable EVs out there! I had the chance to drive it for one week and put 1300+ kilometres in it: it was a fantastic experience and now I want a 1sr gen Ioniq as my first car ever to own ❤ And also: please redo the 1000km challenge with the Ioniq 🙏
Really interesting video Bjørn. I get 66kW consistently on high power chargers with my classic Ioniq over a wide SoC range. Definitely worth redoing the 1000km challenge.
Ioniq Classic or 28 kWh is absolutely a CLASSIC. Thanks guys. Really dig the old Ioniq. Efficiency seems crappy by comparison in the new Ioniq 5. Kind of sucks but....
I bought an 2017 Ioniq 28kwh based mainly on the 1000km challenge results. I would like to see if it is even better than I thought! It is a poorer persons Tesla model 3 ... and I am delighted with it.
Both cars are impressive. Very efficient old (and fast) Ioniq. It's a shame that Hyundai could not build on this success with the Ioniq 5. And very impressive, that a bigger and heavier Model 3 can almost catch up, and with the 130km/h usually used in Europe, the tables might even turn. Model 3 is a "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" - egg-laying woolly milk sow
Well, the two cars are so close that the battle would be decided at the charging station. The classic Ioniq has high power PHEV cells, only air cooling, and it's also charging slower so it should also win this round very clearly. Comparing with AC and DC charging losses would also be interesting, there might be a slight chance that the Tesla onboard charger is a little bit more efficient.
Ioniq 28 is a beast like city effciency. Hyundai had to made a new model Ioniq 35 to discourage people to buy it 😂. After 5 yr my IOniq28 still deliver consumption almost like day 1. impressive!
Thanks to You Bjørn I got my first ioniq in 2017, drove 70000 km without any problems at all. Now I’m on my 2:nd ioniq 28 kWh. The new one has only reached 8200 km so far, I still love it.
Funny because you add this movie in the same time, when I was buying my own ioniq. I've made 250km with one short charge at Ionity and it's so impressive! BTW it's funny when you know about the car more than the seller
Would be interesting to test the 39.2kwh battery version of the Ioniq, I've just driven to Bristol from Birmingham and back and achieved 4.8 miles per kW at a steady 70 ish mph
The original ionic was an excellent car, but it’s a shame Hyundai didn’t do more to improve it and if anything made it worse with the larger battery that had more charging issues…
The original Ioniq still is an Excellent Car. Ill be driving it for many more years hopefully, and id still consider the newer 38kwh model as it is still an efficient car as shown in tests by Bjorn, but obviously has slower charging. But that doesn't make hardly any difference to me, as I pretty much always charge at home.
In my opinion it is matter of time, someone to do higher capacity aftermarket battery for the 1st Ioniq and if the density is better and keeps the good charging speed I think this will be game changer! Then all of us owners of the “classic” Ioniq will never change it…
I really don’t we why people find it problematic that all other cars than Tesla shows all energy including HVAC in park on the consumption. Energi is used from the battery needs to be counted 🤷🏼♂️
Because it is counted in the "Wh per km" counter, which should tell you the energy used to travel that number of kilometres, which doesn't include idling after the trip is over.
@@soerenras111 The information that some people are interested in is how much energy it took them to travel a certain distance. That count ends when the trip is over because time after the car is put in park is not part of the trip. Counting idle time after the trip is over makes it more inconvenient to get information about how much energy it took to travel a certain distance. That is why the people who are looking for that information find it problematic, which is the answer to your question, not an argument about which one is the "correct" way to do it.
I'd love to see a test where you pack the Ioniq to the point when both cars weigh the same. I find it fascinating how well the Tesla keeps up with the king despite being that heavy.
Because weight has a minimal impact on consumption, compared to all other factors. There’s about a 10% range impact for 500kg cargo at 120km/h in a Model 3. Numbers are from a known data guy (Edit: u/Wugz) on the Tesla reddit btw.
@@MacGuyver85 The force required to overcome rolling resistance equals the weight of the car multiplied by the coefficient of the rolling resistance. Therefore a heavier weight will always require more energy to move the car when the wheel size, tire pressure and road surface are the same. Every EV will have higher consumption when carrying more weight and it is more noticeable in an EV than a fossil car due to the very high efficiency of the EV in converting energy to forward movement. What your friend may be noticing is that because the EV is already very heavy, often 2 tonnes, a load of 120kg is only c. 5% extra.
To turn off the passenger aircon blowers, turn off "Auto", and turn off the aircon direction that blows towards you (and maybe your feet I think). If you have just the upwards fan on, it'll be driver only
FYI to turn off the passenger air vent when moving, you’d have to put it in manual (e.g. in the feet or windscreen) and then put it on auto again: then it should use only the driver unless you tap the passenger side vent.
Ioniq go home or rather home run for Ioniq? ;-) I wasn't sure either and I'd say they're mostly even. Weight comes into the equation not while driving constantly, but rather while accelerating and decelerating (read: recuperating), which is clearly reflected in the city test at 8:02 - 108Wh for the 280kg heavier Model 3 vs 96 Wh for the Ioniq. Also, Model 3 has wider tires (235 vs 205 I think), which seems to be compensated by the slightly better aerodynamics. EVcalc shows Cw*A = 0,53m² for the Ioniq 2016 and 0.51m² for the Model 3 LFP. Finally, it'd be great to see over all efficiency including charging at the same HPC charger. Bit tricky though (almost impossible to do it very accurately I'd say) as it's hard to charge to the exact same SOC. Overall they show to be even and I like what I see :-) (would aswell have if Model 3 was slightly better, I klicked the like button when I started the video cause I absolutely appreciate that Bjorn did the test!) And yes, another 1000km challange run would be great!
The on-board computer does not necessarily represent real consumption. it's software, they can write whatever they want. The best way to see the difference in efficiency between the 2 cars is to refuel, use them for 100 / 150km together and then refuel (better in AC and look at how many kwh each single car has entered)
I would agree with this statement. Early days on my Ioniq but I struggle to reconcile what the car displays in terms of miles per kWh and what carScanner is reading from the car in terms of total kWh consumed.
Haha, great challenge. They’re both very different cars at heart, and both very good. A test with the cars loaded for a 2 week camping trip, with two kids/teenagers arguing in the back seat, would make for an interesting, real-world challenge…to Germany and back say.;)
I've always liked the ionic, and I can't stand the model 3 interior but... the Tesla is the winner of this test IMHO. It has larger battery, it's a faster and heavier car and there isn't a big difference in efficiency. Great test!
@@ellistreloar2047 Sure but most EVs are lese efficient at high Speed compared to a Tesla. A Tesla on a 500km trip @150km/h needs lees kWh than most if not all other EVs currently on the market. Driving fast (140-170) with a Model 3 does not hurt that much as with other EVs.
@@Hitman006xp LoL. Elon Musk is a clever guy and Tesla’s have great technology, no doubt. But you’re suggesting they can deny the laws of physics. They cannot. These are not theories or opinions. All your journeys by bike, car, bus, train, boat and plane all depend on these laws. It’s a matter of maths and physics not Musk magic. Education is a wonderful thing. Study some here www.engineeringtoolbox.com/rolling-friction-resistance-d_1303.html
Ioniq 2,22m2 x 0,24cx = SCX 0.5328 Not sure about the Model 3 but i have this data: 0.225 (2017), others say 0.23 and 0.219 (2023) 2.34m2 x 0.225cx = SCX 0.5265 2.34m2 x 0.230cx = SCX 0.5382 Model of tires can influence. In some countrys Ioniq use different headlights with HID (higher consumption) than LED.
Maybe ioniq's ability to use the paddles to change regen on the run and to free roll have something to say, a Ioniq driver who knows how to get the most of the car have a good advantage 👍maybe??
Hi Bjorn, could you work out a "Tank to Tank" test with these two cars, how much Juice has been used in total? i.e. not ignoring battery / car heating / cooling rather than just looking at what's used to propel the car!
@@glennrmarks I would have thought this is the case but unless i am missing something i cannot get carScanner readings to match the economy indicated on my Ioniq dashboard.
Would be interesting to measure the battery degradation on an older Ionic 28kWh. Interested to see how the battery on this car is holding up after 50,000 km or more.
The difference could be in driving style because it's so close. As is the ionic should be more efficient as it is lighter. But it shows what a great job Tesla has done to make a heavier car almost as efficient. Of course, that weight adds up to more range, so you do get something extra in the Tesla.
Good test! But what about test the Tesla 3 up against the New Ionic (38kW) (the one you ‘hate’..) I drive one for more then 53.000 km and are Happy about, do a lot of High Way kilometers in Denmark (130-140 km/t) with consumption below 180 wh/100 km👍😎
Interesting to see. I love your content Björn. The Tesla seem to have better efficiency considering the weight difference. If the battery pack would've be the same size for both cars maybe the weight would be equal but the Tesla would have had better numbers since they almost reported the same numbers. What do you think?
Thanks for the Video Björn. It would be interesting to see the results after charging as it was mentioned on RUclips that Tesla bord computer shows way too less. The difference between what was actually charged and the indicated consumption by the car. Some RUclipsr have reported that Tesla has a larger deviation than other manufacturers.
How would this result compare to a BMW i3? I am seeing roughly the same results on my i3. My average consumption over the last 3500km is 120Wh/km, and that's from 20% citydriving (50-60km/h) 80% country roads (70-80km/h) It could be fun to add the i3 to the test? It seems to be pretty efficient when driven properly :)
I have Opel Ampera E 2018 and it is also a very nice in city drive consumption. In the name of science I can help with a comparison with another car. Just let me know.
With US SR+ buyers having a choice between The US battery and the LFP China battery, would you do a comparison video to help us understand the differences and decide which is best?
I think Aptera with 100kWh battery will crash 1000 km challenge for good. Drag coefficient Cd value of 0.12... and might finally be even lower than that.
Wait... was the Ioniq allowed to coast? Doesn't seem like it. When an Ioniq coasts on the highway downgrades, it easily beats the model 3. That's a huge advantage for the Ioniq.
These side-by-side "exact same conditions" tests are actaully the fairest way of comparing consumption/efficiency. Thanks Bjorn!
Yes, Bjorn is doing a great job, however, the Teslas tend to under-report the consumption quite a bit, so the real comparison should always happen at the charger...
As a Ioniq Fanboy, im satisfied.
Bow to the King!
Yes, please, re-do 1k km challenge for Ioniq.
He'll be doing it with Ioniq 5! 1-2 week wait!
@@dennisvanhelden9253 ioniq 5 is a lot less efficient ;)
And Model 3 LFP 1000 km challenge please!
ABC - always be challenging Ioniq efficiency ;)
Yes Bjørn, please re-do the km 1000 challenge in the classic 28kw Ioniq. Thanks for the video!!….
Yes re-do the 1000km challenge in the classic IONIQ!!!
I bought our first "real" EV (we had a Twizy before) thanks to Bjorn, and it was a Ioniq ! I love it and bjorn's ioniq video convinced us. If sometimes you pass through Geneva, I owe you a beer !
Oh yes! Please re-do the 1000km challenge with the 28 Ioniq!!
Yeah
I love my Ioniq. Been getting consistent usage of below 9kWh/100km on my trip to/from work the last months with the GOM reporting around 300km of range when fully charges.
Fantastic! The 'classic' Ioniq is still the car to beat!
Given a suitable 100kW charger network, it's perfectly usable. I think small battery + fast charging without compromise is an excellent design as it makes lighter (and cheaper?) cars. And normal people are going to stop for a break every 125 mile/200km anyway so a 10-15 minute 'top up' is not of any consequence.
It's still a shame Hyundai messed up the newer 38kWh Ioniq....
I'm not sure how much range you get in 15 minutes on this car. It is quite slow to charge in the end. 7-10 minutes would be the maximum time for a quick toilet break I think. After that you are waiting for the car.
@@MrJanJunker that's true about any EV. With the Ioniq you charge the small battery fast to 80% and move on.
It just shows how important overall weight is to efficiency. Still super impressive that the MiC Model 3 SR+ was so efficient for such a heavy car. It was a very close battle. But arguably the Ioniq isn't a super practical car with 28kWh battery and 230km range (WLTP). Still, really interesting results.
As a Ioniq 28kWh driver I can say that as long as you don't need to que at a charger there is no problems driving a 700km trip. Yeah I need to stop 4 times but it doesn't bother me. 15-20 min stop only
Well. I do find the Ionic interesting as a second car. We have a Tesla as the primary car. But for at second car the 28KWh bought second hand with a couple of years on the bag would be a nice car. Instead of the 11 year old Peugeot 107 we have currently.
In a fact, it is one of the most practical EVs on the market (actually one of the most practical and economical cars ever made). Because in everyday commute what counts is efficiency. For example, as mentioned, Ioniq easily reaches 12kwh/100km mixed driving. With 70kW charging means your charge speed is 580km/h, even if You appear on weaker 40kW charger, You still get 330km/h. Battery never coldgates, goes 70kW straight up to 80%, your average pit stop on the charger will be about 20min (unless you have to wait until some Leaf 2nd gen tops up). Battery size doesn't matter, efficiency and range does, that's why most OEMs' marketing depts advertise only how many kWh they have, but then it appears you get 30kwh/100km on daily basis and rapidgating on longer trips. What also nobody cares to mention while selling You EV is that You will actually have to pay for the charging, and inefficient EV will be more expensive than a diesel to run. And Yes, TM3 is better, but is also newer and much more expensive..
Ioniq is a lot cheaper though
I am so glad you mentioned frontal area. Some people think that coeficcient of drag is all that is required whereas both are required to figure total drag.
Teslas Efficiency is incredible for a car of that class ☝️
Even though they have crazy amounts of power they are still very efficient, it's impressive
THIS is the video the world has been waiting for
Yes, the battery-fan is behind the trim where the light is.
You can improve cooling if you dismount the side-trim or at least open the trunk and setting AC on "south pole" while charging.
I recently discovered your videos when I was researching the Hyundai Ioniq EV, found a 2019 with only 16k miles and snapped it up after viewing your challenges and reviews. I really wanted a Tesla, but economically the Ioniq is solid. Your strategy with the road challenges and demonstration for winter driving had boosted my confidence with my purchase.
Fantastic
It's really happening.
The electric car is here to stay.
keep in mind: ioniq28 does not coldgate. There's lots of cobalt in the battery
yes, there is no magic
I'm very impressed with the TM3, simply because it's as efficient as the Ioniq 28, only with longer range and faster charging, but as an Ioniq 28 owner, I would like to mention that the ioniq 28 is technology from 2016, and Tesla's technology is the latest
At more than twice the cost of the comparison car, the TM3 should be impressive. The fact that this five year old Korean design car is so efficient is testament to the engineering superiority of the Koreans. Why are the contemporary European cars so poor in comparison? VAG engineers asleep at the desk.
@@ellistreloar2047 What are you talking about? The Hyundai Ioniq Prime costs about the same!
@@minjung3350 The five year old, ICE/Hybrid/EV platform design Ioniq in this video, is a second hand car that is literally half the cost of the brand new, pure EV design, second generation Model 3. Do some research online, you’ll see. It is embarrassing for ALL pure EV engineers including Tesla, VAG, Mercedes, BMW etc that this old, compromised Korean EV design is as good as the best contemporary technology any of the big makers can create. Many ICE owners keep saying that EV technology is changing too fast to buy an EV now and risk falling behind the tech curve. The Hyundai Ioniq proves that is media hype and bull. NONE of the massive car manufacturers, including Tesla with all the power of its technology, has taken a significant step forward in efficiency from the Ioniq. Watch the video again because maybe you didn’t notice that the Ioniq BEAT the Tesla in four out of the five tests. The Tesla lost, fair and square and no amount of fanboy worship changes that.
@@ellistreloar2047 What an argument, the second hand car is cheaper...
This Ioniq is sufficient for most situations, but noway a car for the masses.
The software is bad in comparison and the range miserable, so you have to rely on working fast chargers, which is a problem sometimes.
I would always buy the Tesla, because it has way more possibilities, power, speed, loading capacity and a wonderful charging net. This little consumption difference is negligible and turned around above 120km/h.
1st gen Ioniq is still one of the best cheap but stylish and capable EVs out there!
I had the chance to drive it for one week and put 1300+ kilometres in it: it was a fantastic experience and now I want a 1sr gen Ioniq as my first car ever to own ❤
And also: please redo the 1000km challenge with the Ioniq 🙏
Cheap sure, stylish definitely not.
@@boostav Compared to a 1st gen Leaf or an i3 or a Zoe, it is definitely more stylish
@@boostav Better than most lame crossovers on the road.
Really interesting video Bjørn. I get 66kW consistently on high power chargers with my classic Ioniq over a wide SoC range. Definitely worth redoing the 1000km challenge.
Looks like a win for both tbh :) one is simple, lean and efficient and the other is high tech, full featured n efficient. Cant go wrong either way.
Very chill and happy guy. Great vid. Thx Bjorn!
"I'm a big ventilator of you"
Lol
16:10 is the fan running? Or isn´t it more like a running follower? :D
Ioniq Classic or 28 kWh is absolutely a CLASSIC. Thanks guys. Really dig the old Ioniq. Efficiency seems crappy by comparison in the new Ioniq 5. Kind of sucks but....
This video makes me so happy! More head to head videos please.
Same colour as our Ioniq :)
Please do the 1000 km test with Ioniq!
Platinium silver😄
Same here and SAME year! Yes do the 1000 km test.
I bought an 2017 Ioniq 28kwh based mainly on the 1000km challenge results. I would like to see if it is even better than I thought! It is a poorer persons Tesla model 3 ... and I am delighted with it.
So am I a watcher or a viewer? :D Yes you should redo the 1000 km challenge with Classic Ioniq. Ooooo Winter test.
Both cars are impressive. Very efficient old (and fast) Ioniq. It's a shame that Hyundai could not build on this success with the Ioniq 5.
And very impressive, that a bigger and heavier Model 3 can almost catch up, and with the 130km/h usually used in Europe, the tables might even turn.
Model 3 is a "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" - egg-laying woolly milk sow
Well, the two cars are so close that the battle would be decided at the charging station. The classic Ioniq has high power PHEV cells, only air cooling, and it's also charging slower so it should also win this round very clearly. Comparing with AC and DC charging losses would also be interesting, there might be a slight chance that the Tesla onboard charger is a little bit more efficient.
Ioniq 28 is a beast like city effciency. Hyundai had to made a new model Ioniq 35 to discourage people to buy it 😂. After 5 yr my IOniq28 still deliver consumption almost like day 1. impressive!
I remember the Ioniq Supercharger video last year: very nice person 😉
This was so fun to watch! Thanks Bjørn!
Thanks to You Bjørn I got my first ioniq in 2017, drove 70000 km without any problems at all. Now I’m on my 2:nd ioniq 28 kWh. The new one has only reached 8200 km so far, I still love it.
Funny because you add this movie in the same time, when I was buying my own ioniq. I've made 250km with one short charge at Ionity and it's so impressive! BTW it's funny when you know about the car more than the seller
Thanks Bjørn. I was waiting for this test. Ionic is a true efficency king 😃
👍Can't wait for the Winter results😁
Great work, Thanks a lot, boys!
Nice to see you are such a good sport about this competition.
Would be interesting to test the 39.2kwh battery version of the Ioniq, I've just driven to Bristol from Birmingham and back and achieved 4.8 miles per kW at a steady 70 ish mph
Oh yes, more LFP videos please :) I'd love to see best charging practise for LFP.
Nice vídeo. Yes, 1000kms challenge will be fun! 👌
Yes Bjorn, please re-do the 1000 km test with the classic, 28kwh Ioniq, would be very interresting...
what about Fremont vs MIC SR+ battle?
Love these direct comparison tests, you should do more of those
The original ionic was an excellent car, but it’s a shame Hyundai didn’t do more to improve it and if anything made it worse with the larger battery that had more charging issues…
The original Ioniq still is an Excellent Car. Ill be driving it for many more years hopefully, and id still consider the newer 38kwh model as it is still an efficient car as shown in tests by Bjorn, but obviously has slower charging. But that doesn't make hardly any difference to me, as I pretty much always charge at home.
@@itsfahys
Indeed, i meant past tense as in not being on sale rather than no longer being around.
In my opinion it is matter of time, someone to do higher capacity aftermarket battery for
the 1st Ioniq and if the density is better and keeps the good charging speed I think this will be game changer! Then all of us owners of the “classic” Ioniq will never change it…
Please do the 1000km challenge again on the Ioniq 28 !
I really don’t we why people find it problematic that all other cars than Tesla shows all energy including HVAC in park on the consumption. Energi is used from the battery needs to be counted 🤷🏼♂️
Because it is counted in the "Wh per km" counter, which should tell you the energy used to travel that number of kilometres, which doesn't include idling after the trip is over.
@@GlenwingThink doesn’t matter. The same in a petrol car. Fuel used for idle is also counted.
@@soerenras111 The information that some people are interested in is how much energy it took them to travel a certain distance. That count ends when the trip is over because time after the car is put in park is not part of the trip. Counting idle time after the trip is over makes it more inconvenient to get information about how much energy it took to travel a certain distance. That is why the people who are looking for that information find it problematic, which is the answer to your question, not an argument about which one is the "correct" way to do it.
New 1000km test with a classic Ioniq ftw!!
Very interesting video, thanks very much, Bjorn.
I'd love to see a test where you pack the Ioniq to the point when both cars weigh the same. I find it fascinating how well the Tesla keeps up with the king despite being that heavy.
Let's put 280kg of stuff in the Ioniq!
Ok, I'll send over my wife!
@@sjoerdversteeg bruh 🤣🤣
Because weight has a minimal impact on consumption, compared to all other factors. There’s about a 10% range impact for 500kg cargo at 120km/h in a Model 3. Numbers are from a known data guy (Edit: u/Wugz) on the Tesla reddit btw.
@@MacGuyver85 The force required to overcome rolling resistance equals the weight of the car multiplied by the coefficient of the rolling resistance. Therefore a heavier weight will always require more energy to move the car when the wheel size, tire pressure and road surface are the same. Every EV will have higher consumption when carrying more weight and it is more noticeable in an EV than a fossil car due to the very high efficiency of the EV in converting energy to forward movement. What your friend may be noticing is that because the EV is already very heavy, often 2 tonnes, a load of 120kg is only c. 5% extra.
To turn off the passenger aircon blowers, turn off "Auto", and turn off the aircon direction that blows towards you (and maybe your feet I think). If you have just the upwards fan on, it'll be driver only
I also love my old IONIQ! It simply rulez!!!
Nice video. Bjørn just saw a video from the UK testing the Ionic 5.. The vehicle are Norwegian, hope you will try it out soon.
Where's Pavel?
I thought this is Pavel, Paul is Paweł in english
Redo 1k challenge with Ioniq would be good for to see if the efficiency king has improved over the years
FYI to turn off the passenger air vent when moving, you’d have to put it in manual (e.g. in the feet or windscreen) and then put it on auto again: then it should use only the driver unless you tap the passenger side vent.
Ioniq go home or rather home run for Ioniq? ;-)
I wasn't sure either and I'd say they're mostly even. Weight comes into the equation not while driving constantly, but rather while accelerating and decelerating (read: recuperating), which is clearly reflected in the city test at 8:02 - 108Wh for the 280kg heavier Model 3 vs 96 Wh for the Ioniq. Also, Model 3 has wider tires (235 vs 205 I think), which seems to be compensated by the slightly better aerodynamics. EVcalc shows Cw*A = 0,53m² for the Ioniq 2016 and 0.51m² for the Model 3 LFP.
Finally, it'd be great to see over all efficiency including charging at the same HPC charger. Bit tricky though (almost impossible to do it very accurately I'd say) as it's hard to charge to the exact same SOC.
Overall they show to be even and I like what I see :-) (would aswell have if Model 3 was slightly better, I klicked the like button when I started the video cause I absolutely appreciate that Bjorn did the test!) And yes, another 1000km challange run would be great!
The on-board computer does not necessarily represent real consumption. it's software, they can write whatever they want. The best way to see the difference in efficiency between the 2 cars is to refuel, use them for 100 / 150km together and then refuel (better in AC and look at how many kwh each single car has entered)
I would agree with this statement. Early days on my Ioniq but I struggle to reconcile what the car displays in terms of miles per kWh and what carScanner is reading from the car in terms of total kWh consumed.
I would want to know how this competition would turn out with HVAC off for both vehicles. I drive w/o HVAC as much as possible in my M3.
Wow, interesting result.
Haha, great challenge. They’re both very different cars at heart, and both very good.
A test with the cars loaded for a 2 week camping trip, with two kids/teenagers arguing in the back seat, would make for an interesting, real-world challenge…to Germany and back say.;)
I've always liked the ionic, and I can't stand the model 3 interior but... the Tesla is the winner of this test IMHO. It has larger battery, it's a faster and heavier car and there isn't a big difference in efficiency. Great test!
Same here.. the Tesla interior really puts me off, the price compared to the ioniq is also far higher
and it will be more efficient on higher speeds. In germany 120 is nearly the lowst you can imagine on a highway XD 140-150km/h is more regular.
@@Hitman006xp All EVs are less efficient at higher speeds. Because speed is squared in the force required to overcome air resistance.
@@ellistreloar2047 Sure but most EVs are lese efficient at high Speed compared to a Tesla. A Tesla on a 500km trip @150km/h needs lees kWh than most if not all other EVs currently on the market. Driving fast (140-170) with a Model 3 does not hurt that much as with other EVs.
@@Hitman006xp LoL. Elon Musk is a clever guy and Tesla’s have great technology, no doubt. But you’re suggesting they can deny the laws of physics. They cannot. These are not theories or opinions. All your journeys by bike, car, bus, train, boat and plane all depend on these laws. It’s a matter of maths and physics not Musk magic. Education is a wonderful thing. Study some here www.engineeringtoolbox.com/rolling-friction-resistance-d_1303.html
Yeah, give us more Ioniq content 😎👍
I hope you'll get a Lightyear One to test when it comes out, now that would be an interesting efficiency test ;)
Ioniq 2,22m2 x 0,24cx = SCX 0.5328
Not sure about the Model 3 but i have this data: 0.225 (2017), others say 0.23 and 0.219 (2023)
2.34m2 x 0.225cx = SCX 0.5265
2.34m2 x 0.230cx = SCX 0.5382
Model of tires can influence.
In some countrys Ioniq use different headlights with HID (higher consumption) than LED.
Maybe ioniq's ability to use the paddles to change regen on the run and to free roll have something to say, a Ioniq driver who knows how to get the most of the car have a good advantage 👍maybe??
i think you should do new 1000km challenge with both 28kwh ioniq and 38kwh, and compare them both.
The 28kWh would win. By a lot.
Do the 1000km in the classic Ioniq again :-)
A classiv Ioniq with 500 PS would have been nice. 64 kwh please. Big tyres and everything is all righty.
That would be the E Niro 😄
Great. The Ioniq28 is my next car, going from a diesel. Thanks Bjørn.
Please next time do a "charger to charger" test, so we know the interesting energy consumption, that we pay for.
Hi Bjorn, could you work out a "Tank to Tank" test with these two cars, how much Juice has been used in total? i.e. not ignoring battery / car heating / cooling rather than just looking at what's used to propel the car!
I think the wh/km is exaxtly that - all uses of power, not just the motors. Thats why having hvac on or off makes a difference.
@@glennrmarks I would have thought this is the case but unless i am missing something i cannot get carScanner readings to match the economy indicated on my Ioniq dashboard.
1000km in Ioniq classic. Try to beat 12hours!
Would be interesting to measure the battery degradation on an older Ionic 28kWh. Interested to see how the battery on this car is holding up after 50,000 km or more.
The difference could be in driving style because it's so close. As is the ionic should be more efficient as it is lighter. But it shows what a great job Tesla has done to make a heavier car almost as efficient. Of course, that weight adds up to more range, so you do get something extra in the Tesla.
Do the ioniq please!
I cannot wait for Bjorn to get behind the wheel of the Ioniq 5 and EV6!
Good test! But what about test the Tesla 3 up against the New Ionic (38kW) (the one you ‘hate’..) I drive one for more then 53.000 km and are Happy about, do a lot of High Way kilometers in Denmark (130-140 km/t) with consumption below 180 wh/100 km👍😎
When are you going to test the Model Y range test. I am very interested, BTW do you have any HEPA Filter recommended ?
Interesting to see. I love your content Björn. The Tesla seem to have better efficiency considering the weight difference. If the battery pack would've be the same size for both cars maybe the weight would be equal but the Tesla would have had better numbers since they almost reported the same numbers. What do you think?
Yes, re-do it!
Maybe you should re-test eUp 32kWh. I have one and in non-highway conditions in summer I regularly get
kWh/km
@@antoniocirino8444 100km of course
Yes please redo 1000km chalange for ioniq
AC deactivates on passenger side, but heating does not, and I suppose heating might kick in with 21C setting and 21C outside.
Nice test but a bit unfair that Ioniq has ventilated seats.
Looking forward to winter already 😆
What tyres brand?
Size?
I've found sport tyres consume more power than eco.
Haha, fan or follower?
Paul: "same" 😆
Thanks for the Video Björn. It would be interesting to see the results after charging as it was mentioned on RUclips that Tesla bord computer shows way too less. The difference between what was actually charged and the indicated consumption by the car. Some RUclipsr have reported that Tesla has a larger deviation than other manufacturers.
How would this result compare to a BMW i3? I am seeing roughly the same results on my i3. My average consumption over the last 3500km is 120Wh/km, and that's from 20% citydriving (50-60km/h) 80% country roads (70-80km/h) It could be fun to add the i3 to the test? It seems to be pretty efficient when driven properly :)
All the Tesla fans complaining that's its an unfair test. An an Ioniq owner I will take the win.
I have Opel Ampera E 2018 and it is also a very nice in city drive consumption. In the name of science I can help with a comparison with another car. Just let me know.
Why in the world they didn't put a 64KWh battery on the classic Ioniq? I think Hyundai is afraid that they would not sell any Kona...
Since they were working on the Ioniq 5 and want to sell that instead of the classic Ioniq
@Paul - please instal the 64kW battery on yours :D
What exact tires were on both cars, to rule out anything in that regard?
This was a great same time test...
Softer rubber supposedly hurts efficiency.
Everyone knew that Ioniq would win 😄😎
With US SR+ buyers having a choice between The US battery and the LFP China battery, would you do a comparison video to help us understand the differences and decide which is best?
Do a new 1000km with ioniq 28kwh 🔋
Tesla M3 is more efficient, its a heavier car, and has larger wheels. The M3 motor in the Ioniq would kick ass. Please do a new 1000km test.
To the effency we should know, Ioniq shows no vampire drain. By the way!
But Ioniq has no app support.
@@bjornnyland Right, this is really the one point I miss. In other regions in the world it have a app support. Why not in Europe, I don't know ... 😎
Bjørn, when will you get your hands on the Aptera? You need to try to get hold of the 100kwh Aptera and do the 1k test!
It will be boring as it won't have to recharge at all ;)
I think Aptera with 100kWh battery will crash 1000 km challenge for good. Drag coefficient Cd value of 0.12... and might finally be even lower than that.
Wait... was the Ioniq allowed to coast? Doesn't seem like it. When an Ioniq coasts on the highway downgrades, it easily beats the model 3. That's a huge advantage for the Ioniq.