J-Sport and Traxxda offer lift kits already (The HPD factory lift will likely be manufactured by J-Sport). Skid plates are available from No Lo Designs.
@@iamdjmus I think it's a spacer lift, so not sure what else is needed. I'm sure you can look up the kits on the manufacturer websites and access install directions which would provide that detail.
You guys should do a collab with JonDZ Adventuring. He's doing some awesome stuff with his Passport, and he was part of the inspiration for this build from Honda.
JonDZ collaboration would be awesome. He not only is a leader in pushing the limits on the Honda platform for off-road capability but also a leader in general in encouraging and educating folks in getting out on the tougher trails in unibody cars and beyond.
@@robbergstrom943 yeah, I recently discovered his hannel and I really like what he's doing. It's true, you can get out and have fun without having to buy a 4Runner, Tacoma, Wrangler or Bronco, etc. I even belong to a Volvo group, there's some guys that have lifted Volvo wagons that go out and off-road and overland. Meanwhile, my 5th gen 4Runner with skids & sliders is basically a pavement pounder getting me back and forth to work everyday, 350 miles a week and all them on pavement haha.
@@trailrunnah8886 sometime its funny how he disconnect his sway bar before starting the trail and try to show how good the Passport is vs the Subi's that go along with him. I don't mind the 3.5lift on his Passport but doing mechanical stuff like removing swaybay and comparing with others who don't do this kind of mechanical stuff on the trail make no sense to me. There's a lady Subi driver that joins and really show her talent without those bs. I also love to see some lifted Subi's and locker mods. I'm also love to see when new WIlderness trims hit trails as I beleave the CVT complaints should not be there with new CVT tuning Subi has done (as far as I've heard).
What's weird is that Honda already knows how to make a very good off road vehicle, they've been doing it for a long time. It's just a sxs, atv, or a motorcycle. They just haven't seen a need to put too much of their off road expertise into suvs. If they wanted to make something to compete with and beat a wrangler or 4runner, I have no doubt they absolutely could.
You guys should make a 'battle of the soft-roaders' video. Would be interested to see this head-to-head with the Subaru Outback Wilderness, TRD RAV4, etc.
I've used the Firestone Destination A/T and it is a world of difference. They definitely kick the capability a few notches and decent on the highway with little noise. Honda should have put these on from the start, especially touting the TrailSport name.
I’ve owned scout harvesters, land cruisers, Subaru, Chevy and Ford 4x4,s. I also owned two Ridgelines. Gotta say they performed just as good if not better than some of the others. Especially in deep snow they we’re unbeatable.
Great review! I own one and love it! You guys at TFL need to get with JonDZ Adventuring and do a review/ test with him!! His, Passport is very capable off road. Tommy? Where are you? Call Jon! LOL
This a good, but small first step. Those are 18” wheels which is a change from the 20” wheels that were standard across all trim levels. That would have saved me about $1,000 when I upgraded my 2020 Passport for softroading. When they get around to all terrain tires, a lift, and skid plates then this will be a fantastic SUV for daily use as well as mild off-roading (more than enough to get you to that trailhead or fishing spot).
Would be amazing if Honda added underbody protection, better approach angle and a 1-2inch lift on this version so it could compete and maybe even exceed others in this category, please Honda!!!
I wonder if Rav4 trims with torque vectoring awd can compete with Passport iVTM4? or Highlander trims with torque vectoring awd can compete with Pilot iVTM4?
Honda will take forever to get this right. If they had entered into the offroading world 20 years ago they would be on par with everyone else right now.
Good comments and Probably all true, but I don’t think most people care. It’s a Honda, not a Jeep, and I think Honda just sticks with what they know. Also, Japanese manufacturers are slow to change, so none of this is surprising. Take the Tacoma for example. Very little has changed, even with the so-called changes in generations.
I went with the Passport because the 4Runner was too small for the family and dogs but the Sequoia was out of my price range. Plus I bought mid-2020 and paid 20% off sticker 😁
Hell yeah!!! Kind of reminds me of my first gen Acura MDX I had gave it an almost 2" lift and off road tires etc and it was super, super capable doing trail runs down in Florida. I'm pretty sure it utilized the same vtm4 system and same torque split plus vectoring...Thing was dead freaking reliable, never had 1 single problem and never left me stranded. Sold it with 222k on it and always missed driving it ever since. Been looking to get another one and do the kind of limited off road trail thing to it as well amd this new Passport seems like even better option since the new MDX are proud pavement ponies or mall cruisers now..super luxurious.
the best crossover to do mild off-road in. it's not a real SUV but it will give me the good gas mileage/reliability (non turbos) and mild off roading all together. Great job honda!
Put a set of say Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires on this. And YES it would ROCK with it's AWD system. And that's EXACTLY what i would do when the stock OEM tires wear out. Even Firestone Destination LE3's would be better then these tires.
Nice, great review! Subaru should pay notice that this is how you set up a transmission for soft to mild dirt or off road situations. I was hiking in Vermont this summer and the access road was absolutely a mess, very steep, loose rocks, huge wash out rut running across the "road". In front of me was a Crosstrek, they could not get over and through the rut, too steep and the engine was cutting power and I could smell the CVT disagreeing. I have no doubt this Passport would have made it. I offered a hand to them, they said they were fine, oh well I didn't see their vehicle in the parking lot later on...Fyi, my Rubicon made it still in rear wheel only.
I really want to like the Subarus, but that CVT and overly intrusive throttle management are a deal-breaker. I miss the days before traction control and electronic throttle, when you could get into a slippery situation and rev the thing to the Moon if you wanted to, lol.
@Pro4x Trdpro I don't know if you're kidding or not, but I would actually be very open to a Tacoma or 4Runner with some sort of a hybrid system. The CVT can burn in hell though.
I wonder if you can cut that chin guard off. It's just plastic. I've heard on various forums of people doing this to there Ford Explorers to give it more clearance.
Great video, was really curious how you would review this Honda. Glad to hear your a thumbs up on it, it seems to have quite a bit of goods for an all around cool vehicle for adventure.
@@finerbiner that's not helpful for the man above unless they both have the same tires and ideally width because it matters in snow too. Also stating what gen 4runner and mdx you have is important because current gen are the most capable.
If I have the money and the means i will prob buy either this rig or the Ridgeline, it will be nice to see Honda entering the 4x4 world of Australia like it's other Japanese brothers and sisters ( Toyota, Isuzu, Nissan, Subarus etc) that could potentially expand their experience in the Off Road world, Australia's Outback is not joke.
I think we need to stop normalizing off-road "appearance" packages. If I get an off-road version, tires aside, I expected it to have actual functional improvements
I think that is the point, even without articulation, it will still work well in this kind of scenario. Articulation is for rock crawl which this is not designed for.
I had a first gen RL for ten years and loved it. A couple years ago Wifey was looking for an SUV, so I had her test drive The Passport. She had a friend with a Grand Cherokee which we also test drove. Got the GC. The GC interior and standard features were far superior. Honda sells for a premium for not many creature comforts. Jeep has sold so many Grand Cherokees they could add features that Honda only puts in Acuras.
@@marcosjimenez9975 Tell that to the people that need to add a quart of oil every 1000 miles to their five year old CRVs. Lots of stretched timing chains needed to be replaced on the owner dime! My RL rusted out. Left quarter panel. Lots of rear impact bumpers rusting away. Honda is pissing away their reputation.
@@knobbiesshreaded3137 I still have our 25 yr old Honda Accord running daily (1998). Second owner from my mom. While my new 2021 Passport already has 17,000 miles across the U.S.
@@knobbiesshreaded3137 we drive a 2012 CRV EX bought it used and it doesn't burn oil nor timing belt issues at all.. and we drive ok Rough, (lots of bumps and potholes where i live) to the point suspension will need to be change in the near future. I'm obsessed with changing oil B4 it's time usually when is at 20% of it's life
Honda changed the springs to give it lift but it made the ride firmer and handling poorer; they tuned it to be quicker but made it less fuel efficient; they removed 6 inches and it reduced the payload weight by 600 pounds; they gave it a truck-like front end and called it an adventure vehicle. These tradeoffs are for style. I think the Pilot is a better value, or for rugged off-road ability I would get the 4Runner.
I absolutely love it...!!! However, some changes are needed. I just HOPE that future iterations of this new model. Particularly the EX-L and up trims allow people to choose the grey leather option on the sonic grey pearl exterior color. For right now from what i've researched only being able to choose from 3 color options; dark blue, silver, and white to get the grey interior leather is VERY limiting. And i think the pairing of grey interior leather with the exterior sonic grey pearl color would be stunning. Having just black too choose from is VERY VERY drab for an interior color option. I also think the grey leather would look stunning on the Trailsport with the orange contrast stitching and badging. It's the main reason i would choose an EX-L over a Trailsport as i simply do not like an all-black interior. And also, Honda needs to offer better options on the EX-L & Elite trims for tire choices. Having just 20in tires with the SUPER awful Continentals is ridiculous. I've read over at the Honda forums that if you want you can go from the OEM 265/45/50 to a 275/45/50 and that will give you a bit more sidewall for blazing non paved trail fire roads etc...And you can still keep your stock OEM rims. But most of all that opens you up too better and more tire choices. Such as an A/T tire like the General Grabber AT3 or the Firestone Destination LE3's. However, hopefully Honda will make these changes themselves so consumers don't have too. It's rather ridiculous of Honda to have a model labeled "Trailsport" but only make it "cosmetically appealing". And really no different than an EX-L or Elite trim. Considering they ALL use the same I-VTM4 AWD system. You can't "off road" Honda on 20in tires that’s just a fact. So either use 18in tires for every model Passport. Or pick a different 20in tire size to broaden people’s choices. It's really not that difficult for them to do. And i'd bet A LOT of folks would agree with me on all of this. So for 2023 please make these changes Honda...!!! Thank you.
What is the standard tire size and wheel rim width for the base model Passport with no options? Do you know of another vehicle available new in the U.S. that offers better off-pavement ability for the same (or less) list price or another vehicle that offers this much off-pavement ability for a lower list price?
Welcome to San Diego county! you should have ran valley of the moons! Looks like you were at the intersection of canyon sin nombre and vallecito wash to the mud caves
Pity Honda don’t sell these in Australia, they might get more of the market share. But no we get crappy Civics and CRV’s that are strictly road oriented. I might even trade my Forester for this Passport.
I work at a honda dealership in service and I've never been much of a fan of most hondas when it comes to things like this. Not that they're bad, just that there's a lot better stuff out there. Also I think their interiors aren't very good and the technology is slow at times and has lots of small issues. However that's just what I think
"there's a lot better stuff out there." What would you recommend as better alternative for the Passport? Also, how do you rate Passport for quality and reliability especially regarding drivetrain?
@@troopdog2003 from what I can tell the passport seems to be one of the more reliable Hondas of the current years, especially compared to the crv. I really hate the infotainment screens in them tho because they're so slow and if there's an issue with one then good luck doing anything you need in the car. Lots of people like them and they're not bad cars, just not the kind of thing I'd buy. I'd rather have something like a 4runner or a highlander or maybe even a Tahoe or something like that, though I know they're not exactly the same category of vehicle. Honestly it mostly depends on what's important to you and how much money you have to spend
I don't understand why they don't do a real off-road version. 2-2.5 inch lift from the factory. Front air dam delete, larger A/T tires, skid plates, and LSD in the rear would go a long way and would cost them MAYBE $2,500 to add at the factory and could easily be a $5,000 package by the time they add some red tow hooks and fancy badging. It would definitely be a money maker for them.
I don’t do anything crazy off roading but this is a top choice for my next car. The only issue is that it doesn’t have cooling seats, and I’m sick of extremely hot leather seats in the Midwest summer.
Currently there is no reason to pick the trailsport over other trims as it adds nothing to be a better off-roader. There are two higher trim levels that have all the amenities you would want.
@@masonthomas9671 right now there’s not… I agree. But based off their press release, the future holds a lot more in the future Trailsport models. I think a Redline Review or Alex on Autos explained it.
It would be cool if these types of trucks and Subarus would maybe put a rear locker or a center locker it would make it even better especially for Subaru with how good there awd systems are. But I guess maybe it would be to much money for it. But I seen some Kia’s and some other none trucks have it but idk how good they are.
I could already see Honda let me down by NOT putting A/T tires on this Passport! And how come the Pilot Trailsport hot an extra 6" of ground clearance in a slight lift and not the Passport TS?
If I'm serous about off-roading, I'm changing more than the tires. I'll change the car into a Wrangler or Bronco. This is a very nice car. It should go through just about anything needed to get to the grocery and school. Even a dirt road.
Curious if this is positioned as a Japanese competitor to the new 2-row Jeep Grand Cherokee? Neither offer a truly exemplary off road experience but match-up nicely to how 90%+ of buyers will actually use these vehicles. Compromises are part and parcel for these Swiss Army knife designs.
@@eduardovalle2782 Fair point. But even you would admit that even the most off road oriented Grand Cherokee Jeep is not the ultimate expression of an offroad capable SUV. I think these vehicles with their electronic aids are remarkable for what they are and my point was that they offer a lot of optionality in how they may be used by their owners.
@@jefffawcett1626 i mean the new trailhawk is very capable. Rear locker (or is it still LSD?), disconnectable sway bar, and can tow like 7000. Sounds like the most well rounded SUV to me
@@jefffawcett1626 realistically speaking there are two proper mid size SUV that are off-roaders. 4runner and Grand Cherokee. Everyone else is pretending
Almost any vehicle can go off road, the difference is if it can mechanically last doing it. True off road vehicles can do it all day every day. Diffs, gear box, suspension are not really meant for this. It’s fine for what it is, but I pull out a few of these cross overs every weekend as the owners over estimate it’s abilities.
Not quite Subaru level, but cool! Seems like you can take some of the better AWD vehicles out in the sand and some mild to moderate rocks, ruts, and mud.
I own a 2017 Forester XT and I have driven the new outback XT. A common misconception is that Subaru has better AWD then other brands. As much as I wish Subaru were still the leader there are two models offering significantly improved AWD in roughly the same class/price point, the Passport with i-VTM4 does not use braking only, like Subarus on side to side transfer, and uses true torque vectoring which is superior, when you enter sand mode it operates the rear end like a soft locker, also not something Subaru has. The other model is the bronco sport badlands(baby bronco not big) it has a superior AWD drive system as well with simulated locker. The final thing both of those have is a better transmission for soft roading on rocky or hilly terrain, their automatic transmissions are less likely to be damaged while torquing your way over obstacles and Subaru will have to cut more power on the CTV. Had the Passports new trail sport trim actually come with a 1-2” lift, more off-road oriented bumpers/recovery points and better off road tires, essentially matching the outback wilderness trim upgrades then the passport would win in all soft road tests.
@@masonthomas9671 congrats on the Forester. In my opinion it would be equally unwise to attempt serious rock crawling or mudding with any of these other AWD vehicles as it would with a subie. Even if their marketing claims that their system is better, which they all do. These are all first and foremost road cars
Looks like is does what a Subaru looks like it should do. The torque converter and torque vectoring makes it better than a Subaru could ever be off road.
If they would just go those little extra steps for an actual offroad package rather than the cheesy appearance packages- tow hooks, skid plates, full size spare, extra inch of clearance, and AT tires it and the Ridgeline would do all the "off roading" 99% of buyers would ever want. Sure you can get most afternmarket, but would add up to even more and likely invalidate portions of the warranty.
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I'm assuming for the same reason they never made anything (street legal) with more than 6 cylinders, or that they resisted building a turbocharged engine for decades before they finally caved on that. They're set in their ways.
They would have to spend millions on the Research and development since they don’t really have a 4x4 platform like Toyota, Nissan, and Jeep does. I think, to them, it is just not worth it.
Doing the same isn't really Hondas jam. They like to find different ways of doing things. More looking to offer different options than toyota and nissan, not more of the same.
42-44k is to much plus no matter what trim of passport they dont offer full led headlights only led low beam stop being out there Honda you do the same with the ridge line and a few others
All changes on the 2022 Passport are superficial. The infotainment recalls for the speedometer and backup camera going dark on the 2019-2021 have been unsuccessful, yet the same system remains on the 2022. Honda hasn’t solved the loud speaker pops, when the radio off, but they have issued a recall for the hood flying off. Buyer be ware: This is not a safe reliable Honda.
I would love to see you guys put off road tires on this and test it out this spring in CO.
J-Sport and Traxxda offer lift kits already (The HPD factory lift will likely be manufactured by J-Sport). Skid plates are available from No Lo Designs.
Trouble is invalidating the warranty for related components.
Does the lift kit include all required components like longer links, etc ?
@@iamdjmus I think it's a spacer lift, so not sure what else is needed. I'm sure you can look up the kits on the manufacturer websites and access install directions which would provide that detail.
You guys should do a collab with JonDZ Adventuring. He's doing some awesome stuff with his Passport, and he was part of the inspiration for this build from Honda.
JonDZ collab needed TFL!
JonDZ collaboration would be awesome. He not only is a leader in pushing the limits on the Honda platform for off-road capability but also a leader in general in encouraging and educating folks in getting out on the tougher trails in unibody cars and beyond.
@@robbergstrom943 yeah, I recently discovered his hannel and I really like what he's doing. It's true, you can get out and have fun without having to buy a 4Runner, Tacoma, Wrangler or Bronco, etc. I even belong to a Volvo group, there's some guys that have lifted Volvo wagons that go out and off-road and overland. Meanwhile, my 5th gen 4Runner with skids & sliders is basically a pavement pounder getting me back and forth to work everyday, 350 miles a week and all them on pavement haha.
Yes indeed!!!
@@trailrunnah8886 sometime its funny how he disconnect his sway bar before starting the trail and try to show how good the Passport is vs the Subi's that go along with him. I don't mind the 3.5lift on his Passport but doing mechanical stuff like removing swaybay and comparing with others who don't do this kind of mechanical stuff on the trail make no sense to me. There's a lady Subi driver that joins and really show her talent without those bs. I also love to see some lifted Subi's and locker mods. I'm also love to see when new WIlderness trims hit trails as I beleave the CVT complaints should not be there with new CVT tuning Subi has done (as far as I've heard).
What's weird is that Honda already knows how to make a very good off road vehicle, they've been doing it for a long time. It's just a sxs, atv, or a motorcycle. They just haven't seen a need to put too much of their off road expertise into suvs. If they wanted to make something to compete with and beat a wrangler or 4runner, I have no doubt they absolutely could.
You guys should make a 'battle of the soft-roaders' video. Would be interested to see this head-to-head with the Subaru Outback Wilderness, TRD RAV4, etc.
Maverick Fx4 as well
I've used the Firestone Destination A/T and it is a world of difference. They definitely kick the capability a few notches and decent on the highway with little noise. Honda should have put these on from the start, especially touting the TrailSport name.
Honda does put all Firestone Destinations on all Trailsports.
@@ryanb8736 As long as they are the A/Ts 👍 LE2s don't cut it.
I’ve owned scout harvesters, land cruisers, Subaru, Chevy and Ford 4x4,s. I also owned two Ridgelines. Gotta say they performed just as good if not better than some of the others. Especially in deep snow they we’re unbeatable.
This is the absolute best review on this vehicle.
Great review! I own one and love it! You guys at TFL need to get with JonDZ Adventuring and do a review/ test with him!! His, Passport is very capable off road. Tommy? Where are you? Call Jon! LOL
This a good, but small first step. Those are 18” wheels which is a change from the 20” wheels that were standard across all trim levels. That would have saved me about $1,000 when I upgraded my 2020 Passport for softroading. When they get around to all terrain tires, a lift, and skid plates then this will be a fantastic SUV for daily use as well as mild off-roading (more than enough to get you to that trailhead or fishing spot).
I totally agree with you.
Would be amazing if Honda added underbody protection, better approach angle and a 1-2inch lift on this version so it could compete and maybe even exceed others in this category, please Honda!!!
It already has 3rd party off-road parts. Check out JonDZ Adventuring in RUclips. He's craziest one of the Passport Community
J-Sport, Traxxda, and No Lo Designs are the 3rd party options
@@Zenrei940 thanks so much for the recommendation on the channel
It will come maybe not ALL those extras. But you can expect too see that in the near future.
This channel needs more Nathan like it used to have.
I wish Honda would bring back that column shift.
When I see this I see good resale value. 🇨🇦
Always appreciate the candid review Nathan, thanks!!!!
I wonder if Rav4 trims with torque vectoring awd can compete with Passport iVTM4? or Highlander trims with torque vectoring awd can compete with Pilot iVTM4?
Good to know some of those recommended items will be available in the future. Thanks for the review.
If youre looking for a perfect adventure vehicle this is it and daily driver and family car this is it
Honda will take forever to get this right. If they had entered into the offroading world 20 years ago they would be on par with everyone else right now.
Good comments and Probably all true, but I don’t think most people care. It’s a Honda, not a Jeep, and I think Honda just sticks with what they know. Also, Japanese manufacturers are slow to change, so none of this is surprising. Take the Tacoma for example. Very little has changed, even with the so-called changes in generations.
They’re not really targeting the hardcore off-road buyers. They would’ve added lockers if they were especially on the ridgeline
@@sneak916 For the hardcore off-road buyers, Honda would just sell a Talon.
I went with the Passport because the 4Runner was too small for the family and dogs but the Sequoia was out of my price range. Plus I bought mid-2020 and paid 20% off sticker 😁
Hell yeah!!! Kind of reminds me of my first gen Acura MDX I had gave it an almost 2" lift and off road tires etc and it was super, super capable doing trail runs down in Florida. I'm pretty sure it utilized the same vtm4 system and same torque split plus vectoring...Thing was dead freaking reliable, never had 1 single problem and never left me stranded. Sold it with 222k on it and always missed driving it ever since. Been looking to get another one and do the kind of limited off road trail thing to it as well amd this new Passport seems like even better option since the new MDX are proud pavement ponies or mall cruisers now..super luxurious.
the best crossover to do mild off-road in. it's not a real SUV but it will give me the good gas mileage/reliability (non turbos) and mild off roading all together. Great job honda!
Put a set of say Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires on this. And YES it would ROCK with it's AWD system. And that's EXACTLY what i would do when the stock OEM tires wear out. Even Firestone Destination LE3's would be better then these tires.
Honda has a good name in Australia. They don't sell the Passport. Hence I have a 2 door Wrangler. I love my Jeep!
Nice, great review! Subaru should pay notice that this is how you set up a transmission for soft to mild dirt or off road situations. I was hiking in Vermont this summer and the access road was absolutely a mess, very steep, loose rocks, huge wash out rut running across the "road". In front of me was a Crosstrek, they could not get over and through the rut, too steep and the engine was cutting power and I could smell the CVT disagreeing. I have no doubt this Passport would have made it. I offered a hand to them, they said they were fine, oh well I didn't see their vehicle in the parking lot later on...Fyi, my Rubicon made it still in rear wheel only.
I really want to like the Subarus, but that CVT and overly intrusive throttle management are a deal-breaker. I miss the days before traction control and electronic throttle, when you could get into a slippery situation and rev the thing to the Moon if you wanted to, lol.
@@trailrunnah8886 I'm done with ANY vehicle that has a CVT, especially anything branded as "off-road capable".
CVTs are trash. Grocery getters at best.
@@mikewright2858 100%! I would never own a CVT, period. I think those are a bad idea who's time has come and gone.
@Pro4x Trdpro I don't know if you're kidding or not, but I would actually be very open to a Tacoma or 4Runner with some sort of a hybrid system. The CVT can burn in hell though.
I wonder if you can cut that chin guard off. It's just plastic. I've heard on various forums of people doing this to there Ford Explorers to give it more clearance.
Great video, was really curious how you would review this Honda. Glad to hear your a thumbs up on it, it seems to have quite a bit of goods for an all around cool vehicle for adventure.
Great job...from Argentina
Keep it up...
I've been VERY impressed with what my Honda Element does off-road. I can only imagine what this one can actually handle.
Would love you guys to show more testing in snow with these AWD systems.
I have an MDX and a 4Runner. On snowy roads if not deep snow, the MDX is better.
@@finerbiner that's not helpful for the man above unless they both have the same tires and ideally width because it matters in snow too.
Also stating what gen 4runner and mdx you have is important because current gen are the most capable.
@@benlastname6667 Are you his mom? A 4 Runner and an MDX with the same tires is not going to happen. take your stupid elsewhere.
More passport content compared to the other suvs please
If you can make active grille shutters, why not a retractable chin guard?
Would love to see an updated awd battle of the best and how their different and which one works best in which condition......
If compared to the new subaru forester wilderness
Which is more solid and reliable and robust ?
If I have the money and the means i will prob buy either this rig or the Ridgeline, it will be nice to see Honda entering the 4x4 world of Australia like it's other Japanese brothers and sisters ( Toyota, Isuzu, Nissan, Subarus etc) that could potentially expand their experience in the Off Road world, Australia's Outback is not joke.
I think we need to stop normalizing off-road "appearance" packages. If I get an off-road version, tires aside, I expected it to have actual functional improvements
I think that is the point, even without articulation, it will still work well in this kind of scenario. Articulation is for rock crawl which this is not designed for.
I had a first gen RL for ten years and loved it. A couple years ago Wifey was looking for an SUV, so I had her test drive The Passport. She had a friend with a Grand Cherokee which we also test drove. Got the GC. The GC interior and standard features were far superior. Honda sells for a premium for not many creature comforts. Jeep has sold so many Grand Cherokees they could add features that Honda only puts in Acuras.
That GC isn't gonna last anywhere near as long as a Honda though. Everyone knows Honda's are bulletproof.
@@marcosjimenez9975 Tell that to the people that need to add a quart of oil every 1000 miles to their five year old CRVs. Lots of stretched timing chains needed to be replaced on the owner dime! My RL rusted out. Left quarter panel. Lots of rear impact bumpers rusting away. Honda is pissing away their reputation.
@@knobbiesshreaded3137 I still have our 25 yr old Honda Accord running daily (1998). Second owner from my mom. While my new 2021 Passport already has 17,000 miles across the U.S.
@@knobbiesshreaded3137 1/2 quart burn at 7,000 miles with our old timer Accord with 300,000 miles :)
@@knobbiesshreaded3137 we drive a 2012 CRV EX bought it used and it doesn't burn oil nor timing belt issues at all.. and we drive ok Rough, (lots of bumps and potholes where i live) to the point suspension will need to be change in the near future. I'm obsessed with changing oil B4 it's time usually when is at 20% of it's life
Love the extra anchovies reference…classic lol
A more rugged SUV like this could save Honda in Australia. I'm however not counting on Honda to be smart enough to release it here.
A lot of people drive on extremely soft sand on some surf fishing beaches in the Mid-Atlantic States.
You mentioned better off road tires. What do you recommend?
Honda changed the springs to give it lift but it made the ride firmer and handling poorer; they tuned it to be quicker but made it less fuel efficient; they removed 6 inches and it reduced the payload weight by 600 pounds; they gave it a truck-like front end and called it an adventure vehicle. These tradeoffs are for style. I think the Pilot is a better value, or for rugged off-road ability I would get the 4Runner.
I absolutely love it...!!! However, some changes are needed. I just HOPE that future iterations of this new model. Particularly the EX-L and up trims allow people to choose the grey leather option on the sonic grey pearl exterior color. For right now from what i've researched only being able to choose from 3 color options; dark blue, silver, and white to get the grey interior leather is VERY limiting. And i think the pairing of grey interior leather with the exterior sonic grey pearl color would be stunning. Having just black too choose from is VERY VERY drab for an interior color option. I also think the grey leather would look stunning on the Trailsport with the orange contrast stitching and badging. It's the main reason i would choose an EX-L over a Trailsport as i simply do not like an all-black interior. And also, Honda needs to offer better options on the EX-L & Elite trims for tire choices. Having just 20in tires with the SUPER awful Continentals is ridiculous. I've read over at the Honda forums that if you want you can go from the OEM 265/45/50 to a 275/45/50 and that will give you a bit more sidewall for blazing non paved trail fire roads etc...And you can still keep your stock OEM rims. But most of all that opens you up too better and more tire choices. Such as an A/T tire like the General Grabber AT3 or the Firestone Destination LE3's. However, hopefully Honda will make these changes themselves so consumers don't have too. It's rather ridiculous of Honda to have a model labeled "Trailsport" but only make it "cosmetically appealing". And really no different than an EX-L or Elite trim. Considering they ALL use the same I-VTM4 AWD system. You can't "off road" Honda on 20in tires that’s just a fact. So either use 18in tires for every model Passport. Or pick a different 20in tire size to broaden people’s choices. It's really not that difficult for them to do. And i'd bet A LOT of folks would agree with me on all of this. So for 2023 please make these changes Honda...!!! Thank you.
How much does the chin spoiler actually help the mpg’s?
What is the standard tire size and wheel rim width for the base model Passport with no options? Do you know of another vehicle available new in the U.S. that offers better off-pavement ability for the same (or less) list price or another vehicle that offers this much off-pavement ability for a lower list price?
Welcome to San Diego county! you should have ran valley of the moons! Looks like you were at the intersection of canyon sin nombre and vallecito wash to the mud caves
Pity Honda don’t sell these in Australia, they might get more of the market share. But no we get crappy Civics and CRV’s that are strictly road oriented. I might even trade my Forester for this Passport.
Looked like a lot of fun and nice vehicle!
Thanks TFL for your reviews I love this rig Honda did a nice job 👍
Man, imagine they put this tech in something with a bed, that would be a cool all arounder..... Oh wait they do!
Need a comparison video between the Honda Passport TrailSport and the new 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 2-Row, and the VW Atlas Cross Sport.
Can you guys test an older Honda Pilot please like a 2007 model
Is torque vectoring just another term for ELSD?
Nathan must be really enjoying himself in this video
I live out by Borrego.. I'm in Lake Elsinore
I work at a honda dealership in service and I've never been much of a fan of most hondas when it comes to things like this. Not that they're bad, just that there's a lot better stuff out there. Also I think their interiors aren't very good and the technology is slow at times and has lots of small issues. However that's just what I think
"there's a lot better stuff out there." What would you recommend as better alternative for the Passport? Also, how do you rate Passport for quality and reliability especially regarding drivetrain?
@@troopdog2003 from what I can tell the passport seems to be one of the more reliable Hondas of the current years, especially compared to the crv. I really hate the infotainment screens in them tho because they're so slow and if there's an issue with one then good luck doing anything you need in the car. Lots of people like them and they're not bad cars, just not the kind of thing I'd buy. I'd rather have something like a 4runner or a highlander or maybe even a Tahoe or something like that, though I know they're not exactly the same category of vehicle. Honestly it mostly depends on what's important to you and how much money you have to spend
@@Billothy69 Appreciate your helpful feedback and suggestions. Thanks.
@@troopdog2003 no problem man
I don't understand why they don't do a real off-road version. 2-2.5 inch lift from the factory. Front air dam delete, larger A/T tires, skid plates, and LSD in the rear would go a long way and would cost them MAYBE $2,500 to add at the factory and could easily be a $5,000 package by the time they add some red tow hooks and fancy badging. It would definitely be a money maker for them.
the perfect on/offroad balance is the Lexus GX460, LX570, Landcruiser and 4runner limited... KDSS is magic
They should give it magnetic suspension that corresponds with the drive mode
LOL, you said "approach angle". Now THAT was funny!
I don’t do anything crazy off roading but this is a top choice for my next car. The only issue is that it doesn’t have cooling seats, and I’m sick of extremely hot leather seats in the Midwest summer.
Only the Elite trim has the ventilated seats.
Currently there is no reason to pick the trailsport over other trims as it adds nothing to be a better off-roader. There are two higher trim levels that have all the amenities you would want.
@@nightryder21 yeah I know. It sucks.
@@masonthomas9671 right now there’s not… I agree. But based off their press release, the future holds a lot more in the future Trailsport models. I think a Redline Review or Alex on Autos explained it.
Can't wait to see a Rigdeline trail sport.
If you don't need a low range trans it looks really good.
Seems like a nice suv. Better looking than the CRV.
Looks good imo. I like it. Would love to get me one.
It would be cool if these types of trucks and Subarus would maybe put a rear locker or a center locker it would make it even better especially for Subaru with how good there awd systems are. But I guess maybe it would be to much money for it. But I seen some Kia’s and some other none trucks have it but idk how good they are.
So what you carefully avoided saying but should have said is "buy a non-TrailSport model or wait till TrailSport means something.
I could already see Honda let me down by NOT putting A/T tires on this Passport! And how come the Pilot Trailsport hot an extra 6" of ground clearance in a slight lift and not the Passport TS?
If I'm serous about off-roading, I'm changing more than the tires. I'll change the car into a Wrangler or Bronco. This is a very nice car. It should go through just about anything needed to get to the grocery and school. Even a dirt road.
Curious if this is positioned as a Japanese competitor to the new 2-row Jeep Grand Cherokee? Neither offer a truly exemplary off road experience but match-up nicely to how 90%+ of buyers will actually use these vehicles. Compromises are part and parcel for these Swiss Army knife designs.
The trailhawk begs to differ
@@eduardovalle2782 Fair point. But even you would admit that even the most off road oriented Grand Cherokee Jeep is not the ultimate expression of an offroad capable SUV. I think these vehicles with their electronic aids are remarkable for what they are and my point was that they offer a lot of optionality in how they may be used by their owners.
@@jefffawcett1626 i mean the new trailhawk is very capable. Rear locker (or is it still LSD?), disconnectable sway bar, and can tow like 7000. Sounds like the most well rounded SUV to me
@@jefffawcett1626 realistically speaking there are two proper mid size SUV that are off-roaders. 4runner and Grand Cherokee. Everyone else is pretending
The last time you’ll see one of these off roading. Now back to mall parking lot.
I dont understand why they sell it with those type of tires.
Most of the time, Nathan just talk cars and rides for a while, rarely i saw Nathan being the lead cast driving like these kind of stuff.
Almost any vehicle can go off road, the difference is if it can mechanically last doing it. True off road vehicles can do it all day every day. Diffs, gear box, suspension are not really meant for this. It’s fine for what it is, but I pull out a few of these cross overs every weekend as the owners over estimate it’s abilities.
Its a Trail Edition, lets put slicks on it! Forget clearance, suspension, beefy tires, good bumpers, lockers, underbody protection, stickers will do!
Not quite Subaru level, but cool! Seems like you can take some of the better AWD vehicles out in the sand and some mild to moderate rocks, ruts, and mud.
I own a 2017 Forester XT and I have driven the new outback XT.
A common misconception is that Subaru has better AWD then other brands. As much as I wish Subaru were still the leader there are two models offering significantly improved AWD in roughly the same class/price point, the Passport with i-VTM4 does not use braking only, like Subarus on side to side transfer, and uses true torque vectoring which is superior, when you enter sand mode it operates the rear end like a soft locker, also not something Subaru has. The other model is the bronco sport badlands(baby bronco not big) it has a superior AWD drive system as well with simulated locker.
The final thing both of those have is a better transmission for soft roading on rocky or hilly terrain, their automatic transmissions are less likely to be damaged while torquing your way over obstacles and Subaru will have to cut more power on the CTV.
Had the Passports new trail sport trim actually come with a 1-2” lift, more off-road oriented bumpers/recovery points and better off road tires, essentially matching the outback wilderness trim upgrades then the passport would win in all soft road tests.
@@masonthomas9671 congrats on the Forester. In my opinion it would be equally unwise to attempt serious rock crawling or mudding with any of these other AWD vehicles as it would with a subie. Even if their marketing claims that their system is better, which they all do. These are all first and foremost road cars
@@masonthomas9671 Agreed. SH-AWD and ivtm4 is superior.
Would be cool to see Tommy do a Mopar LED upgrade on his wrangler
Honda! Your Trailsport editions need about 2 inches more ground clearance as part of that package! Duh 🙄
Looks like is does what a Subaru looks like it should do. The torque converter and torque vectoring makes it better than a Subaru could ever be off road.
If they would just go those little extra steps for an actual offroad package rather than the cheesy appearance packages- tow hooks, skid plates, full size spare, extra inch of clearance, and AT tires it and the Ridgeline would do all the "off roading" 99% of buyers would ever want. Sure you can get most afternmarket, but would add up to even more and likely invalidate portions of the warranty.
Should've called it the ISUZU TROOPER for anyone who gets the reference
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Best part about a desert? Not being in one! I'll take mud and rain any day. Have fun in the dust.
Wish honda would have gave this suv a skid plate and better shocks.
without a low range none of these things are offroad worthy imo
I wanna see someone put off-road tires and a inch lift on this thing.
Check JonDZ channel. He has one with all the goodies.
Expecting a new channel : unibody off road 😉
What Honda needs is a proper body on frame SUV/Truck. Toyota, Nissan has plenty of options. Why can't Honda do the same?
I'm assuming for the same reason they never made anything (street legal) with more than 6 cylinders, or that they resisted building a turbocharged engine for decades before they finally caved on that. They're set in their ways.
They would have to spend millions on the Research and development since they don’t really have a 4x4 platform like Toyota, Nissan, and Jeep does. I think, to them, it is just not worth it.
Doing the same isn't really Hondas jam. They like to find different ways of doing things. More looking to offer different options than toyota and nissan, not more of the same.
Well if Honda figured this out better, they’ve got themselves an Outback competitor
Should have visited the Goat Canyon Trestle, or at least look it up.👍
You film this with a flipphone?
nothing to do with tires misinfo at times, guys. great job though
Honda stepping up the off road capabilities?
Not yet. In, terms of offroad capacities it is exactly the same as the other trims
Honestly it looks like my camry can do that course, no? No lockers means it's worthless on a trail
42-44k is to much plus no matter what trim of passport they dont offer full led headlights only led low beam stop being out there Honda you do the same with the ridge line and a few others
All changes on the 2022 Passport are superficial. The infotainment recalls for the speedometer and backup camera going dark on the 2019-2021 have been unsuccessful, yet the same system remains on the 2022. Honda hasn’t solved the loud speaker pops, when the radio off, but they have issued a recall for the hood flying off. Buyer be ware: This is not a safe reliable Honda.
Honda needs air suspension and underbody protection and better tires and put and acura awd they make killing also put it on a truck too
Ahhhhh yes the sport sport, sport sport.
It's like the Ford Explorer Timberline....all for looks.
Honda has a lot of coach's