Feels like I just found a goldmine coming across your channel! Thank you for putting these videos together! As an instructor, I resonate with much of what you’ve said here. I hope to mitigate my shortcomings in my lectures. information like this is invaluable.
The social knowledge stuff is interesting, I experienced this with my native language, after a decade of using English as my primary language I happened to read some online posts written in my native language and found myself very confused, it seems that the internet culture changed over time and I was not there to witness this change, so now I find myself able to understand the individual words but not fully comprehend the implications of the entire post.
Thank you for always putting the sources in the description. Your credibility is why I always return to this channel. Your educational background, citations and content really set you apart from other channels that make bold claims but don't have any citations or expertise in the field. Thanks!
I appreciate your appreciation! It's not a perfect solution - the problem of justifying claims runs pretty deep. But I do think it's worth taking a minute to show where claims come from - how well supported they might be, where you could learn more, and whether something I'm saying is based on research findings or personal experience (both of which can be valuable sources of knowledge). I will try my best to keep it up. And if you notice me slipping, let me know!
Loved the exercise in this video. Tacit Knowledge seems to apply a ton to artists and that's probably why some people find some aspects like shading hard because it mainly comes from experience and intuition. I took a year long automechanics class in high school that was just heaps of books (we only got to see a car once) and I barely know how to fix a car better than the average joe does. One thing I'm curious about though is that I used to be able to identify which family member was walking around by hearing their footsteps so just some food for thought.
I have been thinking recently that my brain uses 2 main models for processing new information it's 1: Language knowledge (specifically for communication and receving that information) 2: Pre-existing knowledge (To understand think use etc) Can you make a video on language and how it affects learning? Or a way to improve language and leverage that for faster understanding and easier memorization (I'm just a highschool student not an expert)
This video was very stimulating and challenging, conceptually. And it's exactly what I was looking for in my quest to understand myself better and improve in certain areas that I'm looking to improve on. I was looking for these insights, and they will help me a lot. Thanks again Ben.
Just one piece of feedback, maybe you would want to work on this as extra-scheduled content: It would have been absurdly helpful to see the keyboard exercise worked through, deeply, and explained. I was waiting for that explanation / example walkthrough excitedly and it was kind of a bummer that it didn't happen. I feel like there were so many insights left to uncover there. Cheers!
How a person can learn a particular tacit knowledge which was practiced a long time before and not practice recent time??? Just for example swimming is a tacit knowledge...it can't be learn from books or any documents untill we practice it....but this skill will not practiced for a long time and not shared to our next generation .....then how a person from our next generation get to know how to swim???? Is there any way to them to learn swimming?
I would argue that swimming skill is passed on to successive generations (consider how Olympic swimmers get better, generation after generation). And I think explicit knowledge plays a role in learning to swim - you can tell people to flutter their legs as if they had fins on, or something. Or to cup their hands as they swim. But observation and feedback play roles, too. The coach telling you that you're favoring one side over another (even if it doesn't feel that way) is valuable feedback. Observing your own body movements, but also watching others gets more into the tacit aspect of things. But I would find it easier (though not easy!) to explain how to swim than to explain how to balance on a bike. But if some tacit knowledge is lost in previous generations, as in many trades, it's lost and has to be reacquired through experience.
I'm building an app to learn English, and I'm using your superb explanations about learning, and I think, as a result it's going to be the best one out there. Right now, you said "Second Order Instruction", maybe it was not your intention to use it in the context I'm going to, but you just fixed some issue that I wanted to fix with exercise types, and that is, that some apps, ask you to answer the exercise and give you many details(instructions), and some others don't give you enough information. This "second order instruction" concept can be used to describe the exercise with the least amount of detail possible, while considering that the student should know what that instruction refers to, in other words, the student should have tacit knowledge of that instruction before being used in a "summarized" manner.
Not exactly. I would think of it a bit like a Venn diagram. Procedural knowledge can refer to knowledge of procedures - like knowing the steps to solving a linear equation. This kind of knowledge could be tacit or could be explicit. It's only when you can't explain the procedure (or can't explain parts of the procedure) that you have some tacit knowledge.
I remember when I was learning touch typing. I could easily recall all letters on the keyboard in order (left to right, up to down). Now I type at 70 WPM with this technique and if i'm asked where a particular letter is, I have to reconstruct its position from tacit knowledge (I have to imagine typing a word that contains the letter I want to locate). In this case, from explicit to tacit, followed by forgetting the explicit part. Crazy
Very interested in your presentation of Tacit Knowledge. I came upon this topic via Ian McGilchrist's 'Master and his Emissary' (also tangentially with Kahneman's and Sergeant's work). I am curious if your personal development on these ideas include a model based process. I am mostly interested in this topic as it pertains to educating aviators. I'm going to start looking through 'The Tacit Dimension', which I expect to cover some of your ideas but: 1) Do you have any other books you'd recommend which attempt to break down the process of developing tacit knowledge? 2) Do you have any thoughts on the model-based distillations of this topic? 3) Great video. Very well explained. Clearly you have some experience teaching.
In teaching, I've seen the process as: 1) provide information explicitly 2) learner paraphrases, retrieves, applies, etc 3) learner knowledge becomes tacit, often losing the explicit knowledge 4) Have the learner explicate their tacit knowledge, driving deeper understanding How's this cycle?
I make a living teaching dance, and dance is an excellent subject to use if/when you are gathering data on how people learn. I invite everyone to have a conversation with me about dance if you’re researching or studying pedagogy, or how human anatomy and physiology (and neuroscience) comes together. Please get in touch. Dance deserves proper, and fresh, research.🙌🏼
There’s also the type of knowledge that can only be experienced like the flavor of chocolate that can’t be meaningfully put into words at all. Sometimes when I’m teaching I try and set a student up for the “right” thing to happen and I tell them to pay attention to how it feels. Once their attention has been drawn to their particular experience of the sensation of things working right they seem to be able to self correct better than I could correct them. Like there is no way to teach someone verbally how to use a particular flavor or spice. Even though it might not be efficient you can conceivably verbalize the correct rate to stir risotto and add liquid to get it creamy, but you can’t conceivably verbalize how risotto tastes with the correct amount of garlic.
The description of the dance reminds me of people trying to learn Japanese pitch accent from pitch accent courses and written descriptions of the system, accent marks, etc. instead of using their ears.
You still living in Taiwan? Hope you like this island, though messy traffic has been a known issue and I believe it won't go away any time soon, I find it annoying too. btw I've been following your channel since last year, love your more in-depth information about learning, not like others that have been repeated million times.
Hello, I am a senior in high school, from Bolivia, I am 17 and I will be turning 18, lately I have been unmotivated in wanting to learn and I don't see the point if I will be surpassed by the Asians who I envy a lot for their academic quality but at the same time I repudiate, but anyway, I have an inferiority complex and I feel less than them because they would surpass me in everything, since my dream is to go to study in another country, but it demotivates me to know that there will be other people with a better education than I and I will always be a novice. Lately I have been procrastinating and I have even been demanding with myself, but failing in the attempt since I am not even good at the simplest, an example is that my history exam was easy, very easy but I I got 21/35 (when I wanted it to be more difficult) because I didn't study, due to my organization and demotivation problems; Lately I have been to the psychologist at my school and I have been recovering a bit, so as a way to improve my motivation to want to learn, I would like you to recommend some videos from your channel to watch or even recommend youtube channels (I already subscribed to Justin sung) or your playlist.
I'm not sure if I can really help. You can watch my stuff on studying (ruclips.net/p/PL-coy4se2Uc7GXqBtANMOV7afSc3VKm83) and learning (ruclips.net/p/PL-coy4se2Uc7D_n3F2YDnCqQCyiwC3v7e), but it seems like you're grappling with a motivational issue. Perhaps you might get something out of one of my older videos on motivation, even though it's geared towards teachers (forgive the terrible graphics!): ruclips.net/video/1JdgWcbveb0/видео.html The question to ask yourself is not about how much you have learned compared to other people; it's what to do next to help yourself learn. There will always be people better than us at any one thing (or almost always), but few people will share our combination of knowledge, skills, and experience, and it's our unique combination of those things that let's us contribute to the world. Your history example suggests that you have inaccurate judgments of your own learning (because you thought the test was easy but you actually didn't do very well). Most people do. One of the ways to alleviate this is by taking practice tests (or other kinds of self-testing like free recall).
Your videos are soo high quality and well researched. Imo its only a matter of time before your channel becomes very popular.
Feels like I just found a goldmine coming across your channel! Thank you for putting these videos together! As an instructor, I resonate with much of what you’ve said here. I hope to mitigate my shortcomings in my lectures. information like this is invaluable.
The social knowledge stuff is interesting, I experienced this with my native language, after a decade of using English as my primary language I happened to read some online posts written in my native language and found myself very confused, it seems that the internet culture changed over time and I was not there to witness this change, so now I find myself able to understand the individual words but not fully comprehend the implications of the entire post.
Thank you for always putting the sources in the description. Your credibility is why I always return to this channel. Your educational background, citations and content really set you apart from other channels that make bold claims but don't have any citations or expertise in the field. Thanks!
I appreciate your appreciation!
It's not a perfect solution - the problem of justifying claims runs pretty deep. But I do think it's worth taking a minute to show where claims come from - how well supported they might be, where you could learn more, and whether something I'm saying is based on research findings or personal experience (both of which can be valuable sources of knowledge).
I will try my best to keep it up. And if you notice me slipping, let me know!
Loved the exercise in this video. Tacit Knowledge seems to apply a ton to artists and that's probably why some people find some aspects like shading hard because it mainly comes from experience and intuition. I took a year long automechanics class in high school that was just heaps of books (we only got to see a car once) and I barely know how to fix a car better than the average joe does. One thing I'm curious about though is that I used to be able to identify which family member was walking around by hearing their footsteps so just some food for thought.
Yes, unfortunately it's very common that classes give students little to no practical experience. : (
It happens the same thing at my home, everyone knows who is coming for the noise they make at walking
how do you not have more subscribers? These videos are so unique and informative!
I have been thinking recently that my brain uses 2 main models for processing new information it's 1: Language knowledge (specifically for communication and receving that information) 2: Pre-existing knowledge (To understand think use etc)
Can you make a video on language and how it affects learning? Or a way to improve language and leverage that for faster understanding and easier memorization
(I'm just a highschool student not an expert)
Thanks for the suggestion - I'll think about it.
Woo!! I've been waiting for this one! Thank you.
This video was very stimulating and challenging, conceptually. And it's exactly what I was looking for in my quest to understand myself better and improve in certain areas that I'm looking to improve on. I was looking for these insights, and they will help me a lot.
Thanks again Ben.
Just one piece of feedback, maybe you would want to work on this as extra-scheduled content:
It would have been absurdly helpful to see the keyboard exercise worked through, deeply, and explained. I was waiting for that explanation / example walkthrough excitedly and it was kind of a bummer that it didn't happen.
I feel like there were so many insights left to uncover there.
Cheers!
Was it cheating if I mock touch typed several words on the table and figured out every key from memory by doing so? :)
How a person can learn a particular tacit knowledge which was practiced a long time before and not practice recent time???
Just for example swimming is a tacit knowledge...it can't be learn from books or any documents untill we practice it....but this skill will not practiced for a long time and not shared to our next generation .....then how a person from our next generation get to know how to swim???? Is there any way to them to learn swimming?
I would argue that swimming skill is passed on to successive generations (consider how Olympic swimmers get better, generation after generation). And I think explicit knowledge plays a role in learning to swim - you can tell people to flutter their legs as if they had fins on, or something. Or to cup their hands as they swim. But observation and feedback play roles, too. The coach telling you that you're favoring one side over another (even if it doesn't feel that way) is valuable feedback. Observing your own body movements, but also watching others gets more into the tacit aspect of things. But I would find it easier (though not easy!) to explain how to swim than to explain how to balance on a bike.
But if some tacit knowledge is lost in previous generations, as in many trades, it's lost and has to be reacquired through experience.
I'm building an app to learn English, and I'm using your superb explanations about learning, and I think, as a result it's going to be the best one out there.
Right now, you said "Second Order Instruction", maybe it was not your intention to use it in the context I'm going to, but you just fixed some issue that I wanted to fix with exercise types, and that is, that some apps, ask you to answer the exercise and give you many details(instructions), and some others don't give you enough information.
This "second order instruction" concept can be used to describe the exercise with the least amount of detail possible, while considering that the student should know what that instruction refers to, in other words, the student should have tacit knowledge of that instruction before being used in a "summarized" manner.
Haven’t even watched the video yet but this is a brilliant concept I first came across in the book ‘Mastery’.
Bro I accurately guessed it 100% accuracy. I just air type and it goes in my mind
5:10 is just too much Lol
Is procedural knowledge another label for the same thing? Or are they different?
Not exactly. I would think of it a bit like a Venn diagram. Procedural knowledge can refer to knowledge of procedures - like knowing the steps to solving a linear equation. This kind of knowledge could be tacit or could be explicit. It's only when you can't explain the procedure (or can't explain parts of the procedure) that you have some tacit knowledge.
I remember when I was learning touch typing. I could easily recall all letters on the keyboard in order (left to right, up to down). Now I type at 70 WPM with this technique and if i'm asked where a particular letter is, I have to reconstruct its position from tacit knowledge (I have to imagine typing a word that contains the letter I want to locate). In this case, from explicit to tacit, followed by forgetting the explicit part. Crazy
Interesting! I've had a similar experience with phone lock patterns. Sometimes the only way I can pull it up is to imagine unlocking the phone.
Thank you very much
Taiwanese viewer here 👋
Always interesting. Thank you
Very interested in your presentation of Tacit Knowledge. I came upon this topic via Ian McGilchrist's 'Master and his Emissary' (also tangentially with Kahneman's and Sergeant's work). I am curious if your personal development on these ideas include a model based process. I am mostly interested in this topic as it pertains to educating aviators. I'm going to start looking through 'The Tacit Dimension', which I expect to cover some of your ideas but:
1) Do you have any other books you'd recommend which attempt to break down the process of developing tacit knowledge?
2) Do you have any thoughts on the model-based distillations of this topic?
3) Great video. Very well explained. Clearly you have some experience teaching.
In teaching, I've seen the process as: 1) provide information explicitly 2) learner paraphrases, retrieves, applies, etc 3) learner knowledge becomes tacit, often losing the explicit knowledge 4) Have the learner explicate their tacit knowledge, driving deeper understanding
How's this cycle?
I make a living teaching dance, and dance is an excellent subject to use if/when you are gathering data on how people learn. I invite everyone to have a conversation with me about dance if you’re researching or studying pedagogy, or how human anatomy and physiology (and neuroscience) comes together. Please get in touch. Dance deserves proper, and fresh, research.🙌🏼
5:20 Them: Explain why youre lost
Me: Sobs
There’s also the type of knowledge that can only be experienced like the flavor of chocolate that can’t be meaningfully put into words at all. Sometimes when I’m teaching I try and set a student up for the “right” thing to happen and I tell them to pay attention to how it feels. Once their attention has been drawn to their particular experience of the sensation of things working right they seem to be able to self correct better than I could correct them. Like there is no way to teach someone verbally how to use a particular flavor or spice. Even though it might not be efficient you can conceivably verbalize the correct rate to stir risotto and add liquid to get it creamy, but you can’t conceivably verbalize how risotto tastes with the correct amount of garlic.
Just like many of you here in the comments, I'm so excited to have discovered such a gem!
Thank you, this was very helpful. I guessed the example of riding bike.
The description of the dance reminds me of people trying to learn Japanese pitch accent from pitch accent courses and written descriptions of the system, accent marks, etc. instead of using their ears.
The learning of video is we learn by doing and experimenting. For eg. At the time of riding cycle
I got almost every key (letters) but I am so slow at typing.😢
You still living in Taiwan? Hope you like this island, though messy traffic has been a known issue and I believe it won't go away any time soon, I find it annoying too.
btw I've been following your channel since last year, love your more in-depth information about learning, not like others that have been repeated million times.
I moved back to the States recently, but we'll still visit Taiwan pretty regularly I think. I loved living there.
Is it me, or someone else also got a headache after 4:14
Loved the expert and novice characters😂
Like I said in another video, thank you good sir!
Thank you for the good videos
thank youuuuu ... you are gold sir ..
the best channel on youtube you can find.
A atuação é o ponto alto.
Obrigado!
THANK YOU!
👏👏keep going
Hello, I am a senior in high school, from Bolivia, I am 17 and I will be turning 18, lately I have been unmotivated in wanting to learn and I don't see the point if I will be surpassed by the Asians who I envy a lot for their academic quality but at the same time I repudiate, but anyway, I have an inferiority complex and I feel less than them because they would surpass me in everything, since my dream is to go to study in another country, but it demotivates me to know that there will be other people with a better education than I and I will always be a novice. Lately I have been procrastinating and I have even been demanding with myself, but failing in the attempt since I am not even good at the simplest, an example is that my history exam was easy, very easy but I I got 21/35 (when I wanted it to be more difficult) because I didn't study, due to my organization and demotivation problems; Lately I have been to the psychologist at my school and I have been recovering a bit, so as a way to improve my motivation to want to learn, I would like you to recommend some videos from your channel to watch or even recommend youtube channels (I already subscribed to Justin sung) or your playlist.
I'm not sure if I can really help. You can watch my stuff on studying (ruclips.net/p/PL-coy4se2Uc7GXqBtANMOV7afSc3VKm83) and learning (ruclips.net/p/PL-coy4se2Uc7D_n3F2YDnCqQCyiwC3v7e), but it seems like you're grappling with a motivational issue. Perhaps you might get something out of one of my older videos on motivation, even though it's geared towards teachers (forgive the terrible graphics!): ruclips.net/video/1JdgWcbveb0/видео.html
The question to ask yourself is not about how much you have learned compared to other people; it's what to do next to help yourself learn. There will always be people better than us at any one thing (or almost always), but few people will share our combination of knowledge, skills, and experience, and it's our unique combination of those things that let's us contribute to the world.
Your history example suggests that you have inaccurate judgments of your own learning (because you thought the test was easy but you actually didn't do very well). Most people do. One of the ways to alleviate this is by taking practice tests (or other kinds of self-testing like free recall).
Wow, I'm going through something similar and those words about the combined knowledge really helped me out!!! Thanks, guess I was too shortsighted