ZeRo has gotten so good at just waiting. Waiting and baiting decisive defensive options from Nairo cost Nairo a ton of percent this set, especially game one. Such great mindgames this set.
He's always played like this, which is why he's so good. He's a really optimal player, that's why you never see him go for anything too risky besides 50/50 reads or mixups in the neutral that can't be punished too hard if avoided
Yeah, it just felt like Nairo was aggravated, and didn't have any response to literally giving neutral away to Zero. He was on the edge/platforms the entire time and waiting... but so was Zero. He needs a hard counter to that Diddy. Not an easy feat.
Nairo choked and ZeRo knows how to play against Nairo. ZeRo played against Nairo and beat him harder than anyone else after he came back from his injury. The MU also sucks Nairo also apologized a few minutes afterwards. Young Nairo used to get salty and upset after losing, and Nairo (current) hates his young self because of that.
no! if zero have used are Sheik Nairo would have won easily but good view diddy and stronger than samus zero wins Nairo and stronger, it's just that zss
Yeah Zero had this one hands down. This is the way I see it, Nairo is a high risk/high reward player. He gets an opening during rush-down and opens up on them when they mess up. In this match, Zero played very safe and didn't use many risky moves. He played according to frame data to reduce or barely have any lag after attacking and then just tacked on damage until he got a down-tilt, aerial, or banana confirm for the kill. Zero completely countered Nairo's playstyle, and thus got the win. As far as the character match-up is concerned, Zero has got it figured out. Nairo will have to figure out new mix-ups and/or pick another character to play against Zero's Diddy. Regardless, good job to both players in finals and congrats to Zero. Both are awesome players.
To be fair, I don't think ZeRo will have many close calls with Nairo. The Diddy-ZZS MU is 60-40 in diddy's favor, so unless Nairo gets a secondary or Zero for some reason decides to use Sheik, those 2015 hype matches are unlikely to be back :(
+Isaac Foreman I was about to say that you mustn't have been watching the Sm4sh scene for a while, but then you said Anti beat him...do you prefer watching locals or something?
+Michael! K. oh no i just saw the recent ones now yea ally is going in i just saw allys 2 tournament wins anti completely destroy zero in smash n splash and mk leo finally making it to the u.s and beating nairo holy crap these all happened so fast haha
This is the only tournament where nairo gets so gravitated that you can clearly see he is playing dumb aggressive than his usual more methodical aggression. I"m sure Dbuz watched this and wrote "' Make nairo angry and he loses" 15 font size and bold on a single page.
Nairo needs to keep a cooler head, then he'd be fine. ZeRo has obviously gotten HEAPS better at that, but Nairo needs to learn it. Honestly, even though ZSS is a rushdown, it is possible to play her slightly more defensive. Paralyser, Zair, Retreating Flip Kick, even side-b for clutch zoning.
Zero made so many quality reads in this, but the damage rewarded by those reads is just not enough... It only takes two successful reads by Nairo's ZSS to make up the cabbage for Diddy's six.
Hey guys can i have your input on my delima. I've been told by many people diddy wins zss mu easy like 60-40 but others think he loses or it is goes even!? What do you thinK?
Michael! K. They all have beaten zero once except for Ally. He beat zero twice. But zero has played all of these players tons of times before and won. He still has a winning record against them.
I think Nairo needs another character. The risk-reward on ZSS grabs just isn't what it used to be, and players seem to have adapted to that. And the diddy MU looks awful. I'd love to see Nairo try Fox.
after losing to ally for the second time he said he's going to practice hard, and with the whole civil war going on his pride is on the line if he loses to ally again. I think he'll take CEO over ally
This MU is such ass. Only noticeable when the guy playing the Diddy is a bit better than you though. Nairo needs to calm it with the babyrage and pick up a character for dis diddy.
Meh, it's more like ZSS has a bad neutral while Diddy has one of the best, so as long as he consistently wins in the neutral it's bad for ZSS but she can totally out punish him which kinda evens it out. It's not that bad, ZSS definitely loses, but I don't think it's too bad, maybe 58-42
Can you at least give a reason why you find him annoying.I thought that they were pretty good. They pointed out some key things that the players do like Narios down smash and they weren't that biased at all.
im sorry i really don't see much bias even after rematching the match. I feel like they were more so going over the dynamic of the match and how zss could bring it back any second. if you could point out any specific bias i might agree with you but they complimented both player during the set.
There is obvious bias. When Zero took out 1 of Nairo's stocks you can actually here them say "NO!!". They were rooting for Nairo, it's pretty clear. I also found it a bit unfair how they were attributing the game to Nairo making mistakes, and less of Zero making the right choices.
Yeah, that was part of what I found annoying. And also the commentator was trying to predict what Zero or Nairo were going to do next, instead of focusing in the moment, and when it happened he was like: see! I told you I was right! Over and over. But still is not a great deal. Just be professional, parcial, explain what its happening in the present, keep your cool and you will be a good commentator. Remember it is not about you, it is about giving narrative to the battle and elaborate on specific moments with technical knowledge.
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ZeRo has gotten so good at just waiting. Waiting and baiting decisive defensive options from Nairo cost Nairo a ton of percent this set, especially game one. Such great mindgames this set.
He's always played like this, which is why he's so good. He's a really optimal player, that's why you never see him go for anything too risky besides 50/50 reads or mixups in the neutral that can't be punished too hard if avoided
The tournament is called Low Tier City but the Grand Finals are using Zero Suit Samus and Diddy Kong. What's going on here?
The city is low tier
just a name. Doesn't effect anything
I was thinking the same thing
what almighty said. This tournament has been going on forever for melee. Doesn't mean low tier characters.
Guys I know. I'm just making a joke here.
How cool would it be if a big tournament actually made people use only low tier characters though?
I like this channel. They Upload the matches within a day.
GeekyGoonSquad uploads in 2 minutes, so you might like them too!
+Plup :D
Unlike some channels which upload top 8 like 2 weeks after...
+Ghostaey VGBootcamp right?
+JAFO VGBootcamp also uploads their xanadus sometimes months afterwards
Nairo is literally Vegeta, he's the fan favorite that just can't get it done
Lmfao
Larry lur lookin like brolly
+M I'd say Larry is more like gohan he goes hard when it counts
he do hacve those power spikes LOL
+M Keitaro is krillin haha
Yeah, it just felt like Nairo was aggravated, and didn't have any response to literally giving neutral away to Zero. He was on the edge/platforms the entire time and waiting... but so was Zero.
He needs a hard counter to that Diddy. Not an easy feat.
"I hate losing to people I know I'm better than." Nairo bout to come back with a vengeance.
But Zero is better than Nairo...
Nigga got solidly 3-0'd. ZeRo need to order him several seats.
+roccodog Just wait until EVO...
Nairo choked and ZeRo knows how to play against Nairo. ZeRo played against Nairo and beat him harder than anyone else after he came back from his injury.
The MU also sucks
Nairo also apologized a few minutes afterwards. Young Nairo used to get salty and upset after losing, and Nairo (current) hates his young self because of that.
no! if zero have used are Sheik Nairo would have won easily but good view diddy and stronger than samus zero wins
Nairo and stronger, it's just that zss
Yeah Zero had this one hands down. This is the way I see it, Nairo is a high risk/high reward player. He gets an opening during rush-down and opens up on them when they mess up. In this match, Zero played very safe and didn't use many risky moves. He played according to frame data to reduce or barely have any lag after attacking and then just tacked on damage until he got a down-tilt, aerial, or banana confirm for the kill.
Zero completely countered Nairo's playstyle, and thus got the win. As far as the character match-up is concerned, Zero has got it figured out. Nairo will have to figure out new mix-ups and/or pick another character to play against Zero's Diddy.
Regardless, good job to both players in finals and congrats to Zero. Both are awesome players.
where are the doubles matches?
Am I the only one that thinks that the era of zero vs nairo grand finals at every tournament is over?
*Reads comment* ... *Reads video title*
Uhhhhhhhh
Huh?
It just took a break lol
+Trip Plays This is one tournament. Are you saying that 'every tournament' only refers to this one match?
To be fair, I don't think ZeRo will have many close calls with Nairo. The Diddy-ZZS MU is 60-40 in diddy's favor, so unless Nairo gets a secondary or Zero for some reason decides to use Sheik, those 2015 hype matches are unlikely to be back :(
He's still the King, I feel like people are too quick to forget that.
They are like gold fish.
I love the pacient mindgames from Zero, he is just walking and reading stuff.
8:37 Did he just walk up, SLOWLY, AND DOWN-TILT???
That's ZeRo signature with Diddy.
+Vincent Leo its a meme
Roxas Sakuraba Oh, lol, and now it's funny.
+Roxas Sakuraba yeah, a melee meme lmao its way more common in sm4sh so thats not even a meme dude
+Felix Bito Robbins Annnnd it's not so funny anymore.
im surprised that ally is whooping zero's ass zero is whooping nairo's ass and nairo is whooping ally's ass
3 Gods of Sm4sh
since when did ally beat zero? he usually never stands a chance against zero are you talking about anti?
Ally beat zero in two different tournaments, both by a land slide
+Isaac Foreman I was about to say that you mustn't have been watching the Sm4sh scene for a while, but then you said Anti beat him...do you prefer watching locals or something?
+Michael! K. oh no i just saw the recent ones now yea ally is going in i just saw allys 2 tournament wins anti completely destroy zero in smash n splash and mk leo finally making it to the u.s and beating nairo holy crap these all happened so fast haha
He really is giving 110% with youtube and sm4sh. Props to the man
Right off the bat, up throw to back air, rinse repeat.. Zomg skills that killz
This is the only tournament where nairo gets so gravitated that you can clearly see he is playing dumb aggressive than his usual more methodical aggression. I"m sure Dbuz watched this and wrote "' Make nairo angry and he loses" 15 font size and bold on a single page.
Nairo needs to keep a cooler head, then he'd be fine. ZeRo has obviously gotten HEAPS better at that, but Nairo needs to learn it. Honestly, even though ZSS is a rushdown, it is possible to play her slightly more defensive. Paralyser, Zair, Retreating Flip Kick, even side-b for clutch zoning.
Wow, Zero completely gave Nairo the runaround. I was expecting Zero to take it, but not this decisively.
Do you guys know where I could get a gud gamecube controller? Cause mine broke and they don't sell them anymore in Best buy P.S. I live in Canada
What happened to Trela? He was in doubles did he not play in singles?
Is there another set of this?
because the next decision, is everything! loved that
Wish I was at this tourney. I would've loved to meet these players.
Finally Zero won a Grand Finals it's been a while!
Zero made so many quality reads in this, but the damage rewarded by those reads is just not enough... It only takes two successful reads by Nairo's ZSS to make up the cabbage for Diddy's six.
Hey guys can i have your input on my delima. I've been told by many people diddy wins zss mu easy like 60-40 but others think he loses or it is goes even!? What do you thinK?
IMO its 42-58 in Diddys favor
Why is it called lowtier city when characters like zss and diddy are allowed?
It's the name of the city
ah yes, low tier city, best city in texas
every character in the game is low tier after all the nerfs nintendo has dished out
Banana management? How about... Bananagement?!
what was that a kill on ZeRo at 35%?
yo nairo and zeRo are so fucking techinical look at the play styles they have Jesus christ they are reaction Gods lol
Nice to see ZeRo is back on top!
But he's not...it's the match ups. Nairo beats Ally, Ally beats ZeRo, ZeRo beats Nairo.
+Michael! K. Zero is still on top. He is still the best smash 4 player. When Ally and Zero play again Zero will win
Danny Freeman You can't just say that nonchalantly when ZeRo recently lost against Larry Lurr, Ally and ANTi. You can't say he's still on top.
+Michael! K. He still has a winning record against all of the other top 10 how is that not on top
Michael! K. They all have beaten zero once except for Ally. He beat zero twice. But zero has played all of these players tons of times before and won. He still has a winning record against them.
Love the Magic the Gathering reference. That's a first
When was this?
June 19th.
Oh thank god. I almost thought Zero was losing his touch after that match against Ramen.
Damn, bodied. Anyone know why Nairo was so sloppy?
you play zero and let me know how you look lol zero had him that day
Probably salty and still on tilt from WF
TheGo0nberg That's what I'm sayin B
Loved the Magic reference, although I think Zero would be blue-green :B
That was sick though oh my gosh the mind games were insane
Maybe zero won this tournament because the crowd wasn't against him like at GOML, smash n splash, etc. That pressure can really affect your gameplay.
nairo needs to learn the diddy match up more.
i was hyped while watching this!
I think its hilarious that the tourney is called low tier city, but yet they are playing with 2 of the best characters in the game XD
Reminding me of pre-patch Diddy kong... banana and grab all day.
But ZeRo played great
I won't be surprised if nairo will have cloud as his new main
M2K has that place though
I'm still happy Hyuga got to losers finals. Haggin in there till the very end. (Have yet to watch it, but Hyuga is one of my idols. Toon Link FTW :) )
I Love toon Link to but i hate his campy playstyle
+Zivi3 The wall for Toon Link is annoying
+Zivi3 I agree, even though my Toon Link is a bit more aggressive than Hyuga's. I have more of a Zan Toon Link.
made a mistake at 9:17 at 26% and it cost him his stock when he had a 100% lead thats crazy
that commentary was great!
It was all downhill for Nairo after that winners final spike 😖️
I know zero was a monster that last match....I feel like with the new patch his diddy is about to be played a lot more
I think Nairo needs another character. The risk-reward on ZSS grabs just isn't what it used to be, and players seem to have adapted to that. And the diddy MU looks awful. I'd love to see Nairo try Fox.
he should go back to robin or dark pit
I'd love to see dark pit
it's common opinion that diddy vs pit is evenish so that'd be cool to pull out vs zero
I was doubting if 0 was still the best, I was wrong
Zero looked much more solid this tournament
after losing to ally for the second time he said he's going to practice hard, and with the whole civil war going on his pride is on the line if he loses to ally again. I think he'll take CEO over ally
Muhammad Tariq that makes sense, and I agree, he won't forgive himself if he loses to ally again in the near future
Absolutely, can't wait to see what's in store
'over Ally' Because those two are the only ones that might win?
+Michael! K. not necessarily, but this is what everyone is hyping up. I'd love to see Larry or nairo take it over the both of them tbh
Nairo had to camp platform so hard against zer0. The matchup is pretty rough for zss against banana that it is understandable, tho.
lol these 2 will always be in grand finals, or top 8 of every major smash event haha
Good job ZeRo. :D
YEAH ZERO!!!!
This MU is such ass. Only noticeable when the guy playing the Diddy is a bit better than you though. Nairo needs to calm it with the babyrage and pick up a character for dis diddy.
Meh, it's more like ZSS has a bad neutral while Diddy has one of the best, so as long as he consistently wins in the neutral it's bad for ZSS but she can totally out punish him which kinda evens it out.
It's not that bad, ZSS definitely loses, but I don't think it's too bad, maybe 58-42
***** True, although against ZeRo who is already godlike in neutral it makes sense why Nairo would get frustrated.
+Razmi Tora
I think he was still on tilt from game 3 of winners finals, probably made it even worse.
was he salty on Twitter?
I find the commentator annoying. He got me desperate!
Can you at least give a reason why you find him annoying.I thought that they were pretty good. They pointed out some key things that the players do like Narios down smash and they weren't that biased at all.
+Lamp cos he cheers up for nairo, and most of them are not professional, just like mango in melee and all of his ball suckers.
im sorry i really don't see much bias even after rematching the match. I feel like they were more so going over the dynamic of the match and how zss could bring it back any second. if you could point out any specific bias i might agree with you but they complimented both player during the set.
There is obvious bias. When Zero took out 1 of Nairo's stocks you can actually here them say "NO!!". They were rooting for Nairo, it's pretty clear. I also found it a bit unfair how they were attributing the game to Nairo making mistakes, and less of Zero making the right choices.
Yeah, that was part of what I found annoying. And also the commentator was trying to predict what Zero or Nairo were going to do next, instead of focusing in the moment, and when it happened he was like: see! I told you I was right! Over and over. But still is not a great deal. Just be professional, parcial, explain what its happening in the present, keep your cool and you will be a good commentator. Remember it is not about you, it is about giving narrative to the battle and elaborate on specific moments with technical knowledge.
"A CHILEAN champion."
"Potassium combos"
Nairo should have taken off his jacket and use luquid zss just like he did against ally and beat ZeRo
zero is the king of the neutral
Let's get ready for another Diddy nerf...
if he beats ally
+Healing365 I'm waiting for the Mario nerfs
+TheMarth58 3DS wont happen
+TheMarth58 3DS plz let it happen no more U smash spam
+TheMarth58 3DS Why?
watch out ally
#zeronotdead
Nairo was high
nairo punish game weak
Low tier city. More like Nerfed High Tier City.
lol
Nairo played sloppy
this guy talks so muuuchhhh
hate diddy kong :\