Thunderbolts and The Moral Relativism of Modern Hollywood

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024

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  • @taravati181
    @taravati181 День назад +724

    raise a generation to think good and evil is purely subjective it makes it easier to commit heinous acts with no one speaking out.

    • @JoshuaHopkins-j9o
      @JoshuaHopkins-j9o День назад +25

      based

    • @demoniac972
      @demoniac972 День назад +23

      Nailed 👍

    • @CleverGirlAAH
      @CleverGirlAAH День назад +25

      "From my view it is the jedi who are evil"

    • @ahmorgan
      @ahmorgan День назад +15

      It's hard to take moral absolutism seriously when you look at America's history. That same belief in one "right" way led to the horrible treatment of so many people. The violence, murder, rape, and theft were all justified by what? A sense of moral "rightness" that allowed slavery, the forced removal of Native Americans, and segregation. Absolutism has often been used to excuse awful actions, making them seem okay because they were seen as "right."

    • @bwhere45
      @bwhere45 День назад +20

      "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

  • @CaseyKaufman-fu6ic
    @CaseyKaufman-fu6ic День назад +290

    The purpose of moral relativism is banality; to slowly condition you to tolerate the intolerable.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +19

      This is in fact a classic trick of psychology. You don't have to force your enemy to move if you can trick them into slowly moving an inch at a time.

    • @scots2129
      @scots2129 День назад +21

      First comes tolerance, that then leads to acceptance. After you accept it, you will be pushed to celebrate it. Once you start celebrating it then you're expected to participate in it. And that is the basic strategy of making the intolerable common. If anywhere along that line you say you've had enough, they will have all kinds of names and labels, that aren't laudatory, to put upon you.

    • @bradpederson4510
      @bradpederson4510 День назад +10

      Truth, well said.

    • @jonsnowight9510
      @jonsnowight9510 День назад

      Which is why Hollywood used it to convince two generations of Western Civilization that, "love is love." It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Something becoming common does not make it good.

    • @brianm6965
      @brianm6965 День назад

      Why do we assume that Julia Dreyfus being a moral relativist is going to be portrayed as a good thing when the movie comes out?

  • @BirchTheGreat
    @BirchTheGreat День назад +403

    The original Thunderbolts had a compelling story to them. Villains pretending to be heroes to gain access to power. But some of them liked the hero business and rebeled against their leader Zemo.
    Real easy, basic storyline.

    • @jkd1975
      @jkd1975 День назад +54

      Exactly. And if they had a plan or any sense Marvel should have executed that storyline immediately as a follow up to Endgame.

    • @BirchTheGreat
      @BirchTheGreat День назад +41

      @@jkd1975 it would have been the perfect storyline for that 5-year Gap

    • @deedee2455
      @deedee2455 День назад +4

      This would be fun

    • @shockwaverider869
      @shockwaverider869 День назад +16

      Perfect storyline for between Infinity War and Endgame.. they blew it.

    • @BirchTheGreat
      @BirchTheGreat День назад +5

      @jkd1975 it was set up in 2020. It's their own fault, taking 5 years to follow up on it. If Tbolts came out in 21, for instance, it could have helped.

  • @phenomenal-xv4ey
    @phenomenal-xv4ey День назад +452

    They are using moral relativism so they can retcon all the evil characters like Maleficent, Sauron, Cruella Deville, etc. It allows them to tear down "heroes" like Captain America, James Kirk, Luke Skywalker.

    • @subjectnivleis7572
      @subjectnivleis7572 День назад +17

      It's funny how they made fun of that in the ducktales remake in the episode about the darkwing duck remake where the director is pretentious af and says but aren't we all the heros and villas of our own stories

    • @Mopark25
      @Mopark25 День назад +21

      You get an origin story! You get an origin story! Everyone gets an origin story!

    • @BrandonDudley-pr6cv
      @BrandonDudley-pr6cv День назад +3

      Facts

    • @CleverGirlAAH
      @CleverGirlAAH День назад +12

      Orc babies...

    • @williamfrank962
      @williamfrank962 День назад +26

      Get ready for narnia btw. They’re remaking that and I’ll bet you all the money I wish I had they’ll make the white queen a girlboss and sympathetic.

  • @Kowalski_5
    @Kowalski_5 День назад +167

    There are no bad guys at Disney, Bob Iger has decreed it.

    • @chheinrich8486
      @chheinrich8486 День назад +8

      Moremlike the Democratic Party decreed it😂 so whatever they do is not seen as bad

    • @Grabthar191
      @Grabthar191 День назад

      Because when everyone is a bad guy, no one is. :P Disney is indeed though, extremely twisted and evil, racist, sexist (lawsuits against them) and they even gave money to the people who directly run the death camps in China so they could film their trash movie Mulan in that region. My conscience won't allow me to patronize any Disney products.

    • @Kowalski_5
      @Kowalski_5 День назад +1

      @@chheinrich8486 The parties decree what they are told to decree.
      You need to stop fighting the impulse of believing you have a voice.

    • @porkflaps4717
      @porkflaps4717 День назад +5

      There are no good guys at Disney, just bad guys and worse. Bob Iger.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад

      @@chheinrich8486 if you belive that they are teaching us to lie, than yes. they are telling the truth!!!!

  • @WickedScott
    @WickedScott День назад +332

    Black Widow was introduced to us as a sexy, charismatic woman with a secret. Now we have angry barista lesbian.

    • @lesgamester7356
      @lesgamester7356 День назад +9

      😂 😂 😂 😂

    • @PettyCrow-n9c
      @PettyCrow-n9c День назад +41

      "Angry barista lesbian" describe every female character in the MCU now

    • @Fred-gu6pk
      @Fred-gu6pk День назад +12

      To be fair if you tried to make a living on minimum wage selling £5 cups of coffee you would be pretty angry too.

    • @sungleong
      @sungleong День назад +11

      ​@@Fred-gu6pkbaristas don't make minimum wage

    • @SatanicWalnut2
      @SatanicWalnut2 День назад +4

      @@sungleong bro is using his country as a lens through which he views the world 😭

  • @williammiller4768
    @williammiller4768 День назад +64

    Evil is always the first to tell you “There is no evil.”

    • @brianm6965
      @brianm6965 День назад

      I didn’t take the line to say there is no evil. Just that everyone is evil.
      Which by no means is a justification to not try to do the right thing.😊

  • @UncensoredScion
    @UncensoredScion День назад +113

    how the absolute blue fuck does a regular Human stop a Super Soldier with their strength? Marvel forgot about the whole new Captain America having the Super Soldier serum didn't they.

    • @erroneous6947
      @erroneous6947 День назад +1

      It’s the metaphorical power of vagina over penis.

    • @liwojenkins
      @liwojenkins День назад +17

      Also, the "super soldier" was that he was at the absolute limit of what a normal human can possibly achieve, so there is NO possibility of a normal human being stronger, maybe a good fraction of his strength but never equal or above.

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 День назад +23

      Modern writers hate the very ideas of canon and continuity, that's why they can do stuff like pretend the Harley Quinn from the arkhamverse was always like Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn from the SS2 movie.

    • @TheSpiderPan
      @TheSpiderPan День назад +11

      oh...but she's a girl boss...so she can't fail.

    • @protalghulnist4126
      @protalghulnist4126 23 часа назад

      But she… didn’t, that’s why taskmaster had to show up and bail her out.

  • @chapelpluto4484
    @chapelpluto4484 День назад +98

    Quite possibly one of your BEST videos. Morality in modern story telling has gone out the window.

    • @skepticalsmurf
      @skepticalsmurf День назад +3

      I concur,that plus lazy/horrible writing,the last two films that l’ve seen at the cinema,IF and Deadpool & Wolverine,it’s sad what we’re getting from Hollywood nowadays 😬

  • @TheAquarius87
    @TheAquarius87 День назад +213

    If there is no good and evil, there are no heroes.
    If there are no heroes, there are no role models.
    If there are no role models, you have no better self to strive to.
    Let the world accept you how you are, you're perfect 🤮

    • @SubtleStair
      @SubtleStair День назад +14

      Oh, but then there is no "Perfect" either.

    • @JFJD
      @JFJD День назад

      Eat ze pods, live like ze boogs.

    • @stevenesbitt3528
      @stevenesbitt3528 День назад +6

      Nicely put

    • @mkno2799
      @mkno2799 День назад +7

      "Hail nurgle. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE." -Embracement for one of the "modern remodels" in the 41st millennium.

    • @danielmacmaster5822
      @danielmacmaster5822 День назад +10

      ​@@SubtleStairYou're right and wrong. No person is perfect but there is an ideal. The closer you get to the ideal the better. Having an ideal let's us know how we should act.

  • @davidthompson1573
    @davidthompson1573 День назад +82

    Keep in mind, they think Captain America is a “bad guy” simply by not bending to their will.

    • @Grubnar
      @Grubnar День назад +20

      Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right.
      Even if the whole world is telling you to move,
      it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree,
      look them in the eye, and say,
      'No, *you* move'!
      And that is why they hate him!

    • @dreamcastfan
      @dreamcastfan День назад +13

      Cap’s line in The Avengers where he says “There’s only one god, ma’am” epitomises the difference for me. I’m not religious but that line symbolised the strong adherence to morals and values people held in the period Steve Rogers came from. It feels like a line Captain Kirk would have delivered. These days, the people writing these things are so dedicated to promoting degeneracy and immorality that they need to destroy any and all characters who would stand up for decency.

    • @dukenukemforever6912
      @dukenukemforever6912 День назад +2

      Just like Vietcongs, Soviets and Cubans.

    • @gabetinsley4540
      @gabetinsley4540 День назад +3

      @@dreamcastfanCaptain Kirk did deliver a line like that. “Mankind has no need for gods. We find the One quite adequate.” Season 2, episode 4.

    • @brianm6965
      @brianm6965 День назад

      Who is they? Captain America was the hero in pretty much all of his movies as well as Endgame.
      The Earthly bad guys have been portrayed as the US government (at least in the Black Panther movies).

  • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
    @DavidMartinez-ce3lp День назад +65

    They should've given Bucky the shield to continue his redemption arc. He deserves better than this.

    • @sungleong
      @sungleong День назад +3

      Winter soldier should always be an anti hero, I hate that they make him a boy scout in the TV show.

    • @shadowkhan81
      @shadowkhan81 День назад +3

      Yea exactly 💯

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp День назад +12

      @sungleong The problem with that is The Winter Soldier is the name of the brainwashed assassin. They removed the brainwashing, so he's no longer The Winter Soldier. He's just Bucky, though he does still have the skills he had as the Winter Soldier.

  • @easzq8
    @easzq8 День назад +542

    Marvel died with Stan Lee.

    • @TylerAStinson
      @TylerAStinson День назад +24

      No it died when Jack Kirby died

    • @BleachDemon707
      @BleachDemon707 День назад +1

      No way?!?! 🙄

    • @ggt47
      @ggt47 День назад +12

      ​@@TylerAStinsonHail his majesty,King Kirby.

    • @ggt47
      @ggt47 День назад +21

      ​@@TylerAStinsonAlso when Disney bought them.

    • @BirchTheGreat
      @BirchTheGreat День назад +4

      Stan lee hasn't had s*** to do with Marvel and almost 30 plus years

  • @PR_1775
    @PR_1775 День назад +58

    As has been said, good and evil are not parallel paths but rather exclusive roads that go in opposite directions.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад +1

      and good is there keep evil ad bay and not if we kill just the thought of being evil every one goes good or bad depending how you like it.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад

      They don't go in opposite directions tho, they intertwine a lot. Like when you have to steal food to feed your family or have to kill someone to protect others. These are evil things being good for the greater good. To think that anything in this world is absolute is to close yourself of from reality

  • @qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5
    @qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5 День назад +46

    "Shades of grey" is just another boring overused postmodernist trope stuck with modern culture since the late 1980s

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад +1

      i never watched shades of grey :D

    • @Timmypup
      @Timmypup 18 часов назад

      Since Ancient Greece.

  • @citizenronin
    @citizenronin День назад +71

    "Fear is a reaction. Courage is a decision" - Winston Churchill...This is the kind of belief we use to teach our children. This is how we framed our heroes. This is what allowed men to cross seas and storm beaches. We lose sight of this and we lose sight of our humanity..."For Frodo...."

  • @davrossbain7010
    @davrossbain7010 День назад +45

    Overdone dystopia…, muddled bland backgrounds, and Denizens of Venice Beach trying to justify their relations with their gardeners.

  • @mustang607
    @mustang607 День назад +64

    "The constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. A people who can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong."
    "And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want"
    -Hannah Arendt - German-American historian and philosopher

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +4

      Enter the flat E and other such topics.
      You're smart. Wish more were as well educated as you.

  • @plflaherty1
    @plflaherty1 День назад +63

    Your radical moral views are......refreshing.

  • @gregoryfloriolli9031
    @gregoryfloriolli9031 День назад +67

    The original Thunderbolts comic had this cool idea where we were introduced to this new group of heroes led by this mysterious hero known as Citicen V. Then, surprise, it was revealed that Citizens V was Zemo and the rest of the “heroes” were actually old Avengers’ villains. It was a cool concept that made you wonder what these villains were up to. Furthermore, once they started to masquerade as heroes, you started to have some villains reconsidering whether they wanted to continue being villains.
    All of that cool stuff is gone and we are stuck with Marvel’s version of Suicide Squad featuring Earth’s most B list villains.

    • @t.kersten7695
      @t.kersten7695 День назад +7

      there aren´t even good villains left.

    • @allendean9807
      @allendean9807 День назад +6

      You nailed it!
      Their inability to simply just adapt great comics are infuriating to me. Then, i watch this trailer, and wonder; fuck. Are they brainwashing Barnes AGAIN???

  • @rhaythe
    @rhaythe День назад +570

    Moral relativity is being pushed to justify sin.

    • @JFJD
      @JFJD День назад +30

      That’s how it’s always been done.

    • @alansmithee5595
      @alansmithee5595 День назад

      They are pushing occipital window

    • @Deridus
      @Deridus День назад +17

      Nah, it's a lazy attempt to justify lazy writing.
      By the way, Sin's not real.

    • @MrLavajet
      @MrLavajet День назад +40

      ​@@DeridusYou sound okay with everything that's going on nowadays.

    • @rasalasblack
      @rasalasblack День назад +5

      I don't mind moral relativism, if done well and nuanced. I just want good entertainment. If they are gonna delve into such notions, they should back it up with good writing.

  • @ParkerCS2
    @ParkerCS2 День назад +66

    Puss in Boots: The Last Wish showcased clear good and evil. It also had three types of villains: the sympathetic/redeemable antagonist with Goldie Locks, the force of nature and horror type antagonist with Death, and the irredeemably unsympathetic and pure evil antagonist with Big Jack Horner. 2 out of those 3 were able to get past their initial goals, with Goldie realizing she didn’t need a new family and realized she had everything she wanted, and Death being able to forgive Puss for cheating and mocking him and finally giving respect to the concept of mortality thus giving up his angry pursuit of him and no longer breaking the boundaries of his job as the grim reaper thus returning to being the embodiment of the universe’s concept of death who just collects already deceased souls instead of literally murdering them. The only person who could not change was Jack. He was so obsessed with believing he just needed more and disregarding anything and everyone else in his selfish ambition to steal all the magic in the world believing it would make him special which resulted in his demise. He got what he freaking deserved for all the terrible things he did and horrible acts he committed. Letting everyone’s lives but his own be forfeit. His uncaring behavior towards his subordinates and lackeys. His arrogance of not listening to the advice of the cricket. He like all evil doers got his well deserving punishment as evil ultimately fails and he who could not change was therefore punished.

    • @benjaminthibieroz4155
      @benjaminthibieroz4155 День назад +10

      You made a great point. However, I don't think Death was angry or breaking boundaries. That's what I love about him embodying the concept. All the way, he's pretty calm and chill, and if you look well, he never really tries to kill Puss, even though he could have done it easily. His goal was merely to frighten him, to force him into braving his fear, and respect life again. Wich he ultimately accomplished. It's not that he "forgive". He actually got exactly what he wanted.

    • @skepticalsmurf
      @skepticalsmurf День назад +1

      yes,it was an enjoyable film,the little dog was my favorite character 😊

    • @ParkerCS2
      @ParkerCS2 День назад +2

      @@benjaminthibieroz4155 yes. Although he seemed kinda pissed at first at puss’s sudden change in personality and perspective, after the long dedication he gave to stalking Puss and it amounted to it being almost like a waste of time. Idk just imo what I got from their last conversation. But yes, Death like I said is a force of nature and not necessarily good nor evil. He is instead a embodiment of mortality and was trying to teach Puss a lesson that he shouldn’t think life is meaningless and something to take for granted even for a creature who had 9 lives initially as life regardless should still be considered important and a life should be considered important to you and everyone around and close to you.

    • @MegaSudjai
      @MegaSudjai 20 часов назад +1

      I would say only 2: death isn't "evil", its just nature. The point of the movie being that it is one's own Fear of death that is self-sabotaging and destructive.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 20 часов назад

      But Thundebrolts will be similar to Goldie locks where the characters realize that there's a better life out there worth fighting for

  • @hoisin75
    @hoisin75 День назад +156

    I was watching Superman 2 with my son this morning. It was colourful, properly lit, positive, heroic, all-American and had a clear sense of good vs evil. Pure cinema, pure entertainment. The superhero movie peaked there folks.

    • @rosswilson8917
      @rosswilson8917 День назад +17

      Superman I & II is the best superhero movie till this day.

    • @SharreIWright
      @SharreIWright День назад +6

      I hope it was the Richard Donner cut

    • @SharreIWright
      @SharreIWright День назад +5

      ​@@rosswilson8917 only if they're Superman and Superman II the Richard Donner cut

    • @hoisin75
      @hoisin75 День назад +5

      @@SharreIWright it wasn't actually. I did watch the Donner cut a while back - so maybe this is nostalgia on my part, but I personally prefer the Lester version on the whole. Louis shooting Clarke seemed a bit mental!

    • @basicfilmblog
      @basicfilmblog День назад +1

      @@hoisin75 that film is crap

  • @darchangeldavid
    @darchangeldavid День назад +25

    I still hate the gender swaps for ghost and task master. That was unnecessary with all the female characters in Marvel comics.

    • @VespoLiveGaming
      @VespoLiveGaming 14 часов назад +3

      Technically, it's Task Mistress now

  • @TotesRandom
    @TotesRandom День назад +84

    It's misandry. If ANYONE dared write a protagonist in a movie that said "there are no good WOMEN, only bad worse and nothing else," then half the internet would lose their shit.

    • @ixirion
      @ixirion День назад +3

      I dont think so. things have changed. cancel culture, shaming, namecalling they have lost much of their power.
      its like toddler crying. eventually you just dont care if they want icream or not
      also freedom and change require sacrifices. they aways have

    • @p-47thunderbolt57
      @p-47thunderbolt57 День назад +5

      That's perhaps what was intended, but I interpreted it as meaning mankind, i.e., humanity. If it really is just misandry, then it's even more stupid than Dave gave it credit for.
      (On another note, as it says in the Bible, "There is no one righteous, no not one," but that's definitely not the context they intended. I'd be surprised if they even knew the verse.)

    • @Fred-gu6pk
      @Fred-gu6pk День назад +1

      To be fair "losing its shit" it the purpose of half the Internet.

    • @syntaxusdogmata3333
      @syntaxusdogmata3333 День назад +6

      "Man" is also short for "human." Pretty sure that's what was meant.

  • @Ihavethetouch
    @Ihavethetouch День назад +16

    Biggest problem is that they are all at worst, anti-heroes. Thunderbolts are all about villains becoming heroes.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад

      Just like every superhero ever, it's about people reaching their lowest and having to come out of it. These guys have just been at a low point for a long time

  • @Cyborg1101
    @Cyborg1101 День назад +26

    So, it's basically Marvel's *Suicide Squad*

  • @jrr2480
    @jrr2480 День назад +22

    Here's a interesting fact: Grey is technically a lighter shade of Black 🖤 , and when you put more greys together it eventually becomes black.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад

      and we all are allready blackend out, of their storys. they take every excuse they want and not the biggest apologie, will save us!

    • @RealKull
      @RealKull День назад

      If you put all the colours together you obtain black

    • @Cassandra112
      @Cassandra112 День назад +2

      none of this is correct. there are additive, and subtractive models. light is additive. Wavelengths. Adding light, creates white light. no light is black.
      hue is color, saturation is the AMOUNT/purity of color. black is the absence of light. Grey is all wavelengths in balance. Tv's/monitors use red, green, blue phophors to short hand create all colors. its not really, but the EYE's CONE cells come in 3 forms. red, green and blue... and pick up those colors, and our brains fill in the rest.
      now, paint is subtractive. paper is white. for subtractive pigments, color is mostly the literal material. adding black paint is called shade, adding white paint is called tint.
      adding grey to grey, just makes grey. Adding BLACK to something makes it black. and if you want pure black, well.. just use black, nothing else. as adding black to say red, will just make a dark red. here is where the primary color's of red, yellow, blue comes into play.(or cyan, yellow, magenta, and K(Key, aka black for print) mixing those for purple, orange, and green.
      so, grey is either just a grey base, or shaded white, or tinted black. putting all the colors together here, creates brown.

    • @johnraven7234
      @johnraven7234 День назад

      @@Cassandra112 putting all the colors together here, creates brown.- good analogy. so if you combine all the colors of the rainbow of LGBTQ+++ it will turn into brown which is same color of a meaningliss lump of feces hence why a piece of art or media laced with DEI/identity politics turns into a souless piece of sh**

    • @jrr2480
      @jrr2480 День назад +2

      @@Cassandra112 I guess you got offended by my comment. 🤔😏

  • @jefftucker201
    @jefftucker201 День назад +20

    So 3 Super soldiers, one normal woman and a woman who can phase....

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 День назад +74

    There is no good and evil there is only power and those too weak to seek it
    -Voldemort

    • @rickrogan2355
      @rickrogan2355 День назад +9

      Voldemort aka He who could not even kill a literal infant.

    • @ninjason57
      @ninjason57 День назад +3

      Consider the source

    • @johnbox271
      @johnbox271 День назад +1

      Are you sure that is a Voldemort quote? I thought it was Harvey Weinstein.

    • @liwojenkins
      @liwojenkins День назад

      "Ah, well, I get the feeling he kinda needs that to be the case." - Vance Maximus

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 День назад +5

      "There is no good and evil Harry Spotter, there's only weights, and those too weak to lift them"
      -Swoledemort

  • @WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices
    @WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices День назад +12

    Failing to light the set is not good cinematography. Thank you for acknowledging this universal truth.

  • @syd4n
    @syd4n День назад +10

    Their goal is to give excuse and justifaction for people to behave badly...thats their objective

  • @leeboss373
    @leeboss373 День назад +17

    Because the message is evil! And they know it

  • @shawnpullen8406
    @shawnpullen8406 День назад +29

    Some of the biggest blockbusters implements Christian themes, like redemption, forgiveness, goodness. We shouldn't be surprised that Hollywood is trying to erase those things.

    • @YisraelPrince
      @YisraelPrince День назад

      The same Christian’s who enslaved and are some of the worst people ?

    • @phvisser13
      @phvisser13 19 часов назад +2

      Sorry Shawn, don't mean to be rude but those themes pre-date Christianity and aren't exclusive to it.

  • @KabirSaidov
    @KabirSaidov День назад +28

    In my headspace there's only one movie was released by Marvel after Endgame and that is No Way Home.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад +1

      well, after the second hulk and thor, i knew something not right. but nobody seem to realize

    • @LevCrouton
      @LevCrouton День назад +2

      Deadpool 3

    • @KabirSaidov
      @KabirSaidov День назад

      @@LevCrouton I haven't watched Deadpool 3 yet. Is it worth watching?

    • @vaporwave4880
      @vaporwave4880 День назад +2

      Guardians 3 was great too.

    • @KabirSaidov
      @KabirSaidov День назад

      @@vaporwave4880 I guess I'll have to watch Guardians 3.

  • @ScotsThinker
    @ScotsThinker День назад +16

    Thank you Dave for your words of Moral Wisdom.

  • @BlueBoxRevan
    @BlueBoxRevan День назад +29

    Marvel needs to retire until a new competent group can actually respect the original source material

  • @phexus
    @phexus День назад +12

    I didn’t even finish the trailer because I’m so sick of trailers using well known songs and dramatizing them. I don’t want to be reminded of a Marvel trailer when I listen to a song I like.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад +1

      i know what you mean,....... in every movie or series of them, they kill part of our childhood and will not stop to do so. i know if i never have seen there stuff ever,... i would be a happy man!

  • @seanh884
    @seanh884 День назад +9

    My 5yo knows that a "good guy" isn't a perfect person but rather someone who wants to be good and tries to be good, even if they stumble/fail along the way. He's 5.

  • @davidblue819
    @davidblue819 День назад +9

    The Captain America super-soldier formula worked like this according to its creator. good becomes great; bad becomes worse. The story of Steve Rogers confirmed that. The message that there is no good, just shades of bad and worse, is factually incorrect. Yes it's morally poisonous, but it's also just plain wrong.

  • @letfreedomring7330
    @letfreedomring7330 День назад +9

    The writers see themselves in the villains and their quest for power and so can't write that as evil.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад

      But it was said by the probably villian, if you've watched any modern marvel movies the character that said it is a clearly bad person

  • @SamStuart07
    @SamStuart07 День назад +5

    Shows Hollywood is still the dark ages of "wokeness."

  • @inazuma3gou
    @inazuma3gou День назад +11

    I do not think moral greyness is a problem because the complexity of life demands nuances.
    MCU/Disney's problem is their writers are simple-minded folks who could not tell the difference between grey and black.

    • @John-fk2ky
      @John-fk2ky День назад +3

      I find it rather problematic since most “moral grayness” in stories I encounter isn’t something like a good or well-intentioned person has done bad things, characters choosing the least-worst option, or villains going after a good goal the wrong way. Instead, intentions justify horrible actions, the protagonist is always right, or doing bad things to “evil” people is okay. Life isn’t morally gray at times because most actions aren’t morally gray. People are. For example, stealing is wrong. Historically, that’s a pretty universal belief. Stealing because you have no money, jobs are scarce, and you’re only stealing food or money that is only spent on necessities, however, is easier to forgive than stealing because it’s supposedly an easy way to make money or to get nice stuff for free. The former makes for a potentially interesting character. The latter is one of the henchmen that gets beat up in a superhero movie or show.

    • @inazuma3gou
      @inazuma3gou День назад +2

      @@John-fk2ky I agree that intentions don't justify horrible actions.
      Let's take WandaVision for an example. While torturing the entire town was atrocious and unforgivable, Wanda had done a brave thing by bringing down the Hex and forgoing her happiness with two kids and Hex-Vision. After putting on her hoodie, had Wanda left Westview without saying a word, I think many people may have even felt sympathies for Wanda.
      Instead you had Monica's infamous "THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE SUFFERING YOU WENT THROUGH" which showed that Disney writers' simple-mind cannot comprehend that being sad is not an excuse for torturing people FFS. These sociopath writers cannot tell the difference between grey and black.

    • @sweetxjc
      @sweetxjc 23 часа назад

      It’s definitely an issue considering these are superHERO movies. Heros are supposed to be good guys. They can’t be bad guys. Otherwise they’re just another character. That’s what’s so boring and awful about these movies. No one is interested in evil people just being evil with slightly more evil people. What’s the point? It destroys the genre and what makes these characters lovable.

  • @larsw3967
    @larsw3967 День назад +10

    I've definitely been noticing this for awhile and it's far more direct now. Villains are now given backstories so we are made to sympathize with their evil decisions. The Devil had his own show as a detective, people sympathized with Thanos, the wicked witch is made to look like an misunderstood person - these are just few examples. Its crazy!!

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад +1

      Yea cause the point of watching a movie is to watch a protagonist change, the protagonist of a movie doesn't have to be a good guy they just need to have a character ark

  • @Theseus9-cl7ol
    @Theseus9-cl7ol День назад +10

    “There is no good or bad! 😡”…….something evil people like to say.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад

      That's why the villain of the movie said it, you're suppose to be critical enough to recognize that

    • @Theseus9-cl7ol
      @Theseus9-cl7ol 11 часов назад

      @@skitltes2587 Well I don’t watch woke trash shows, how am I supposed to know that. I was just taking a guess, you’re telling me me a character actually said that line? Word for word? lol 😆

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 10 часов назад

      @Theseus9-cl7ol she says "there bad and there's worst people" basically saying there's no good people. And if you don't watch woke shows and movies then why are you watching a video about a woke movie

    • @Theseus9-cl7ol
      @Theseus9-cl7ol 9 часов назад

      @@skitltes2587 To find out about the show, I’ve been watching Computing Forever for a long time, I like his vids. That doesn’t mean have to sit down and watch woke garbage content. No way.

  • @kevinmccabe7263
    @kevinmccabe7263 День назад +6

    Fun fact: this idea that our stories have a moral utility to society dates all the way back to Socrates and Plato, it's actually what led to Socrates execution for heresy when he spoke out against the amorality that had slipped into the greek mythology

  • @vernonhampton5863
    @vernonhampton5863 День назад +9

    I always say: "It's called The Good Fight, not The Good Easy".

  • @mustang607
    @mustang607 День назад +8

    The seven deadly sins are making a comeback as moral relativism expands.

  • @qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5
    @qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5 День назад +48

    First and foremost, it's Disney's attempt to make James Gunn's The Suicide Squade without James Gunn and with D-list characters

    • @Mopark25
      @Mopark25 День назад

      No, that's a reach. The tone is a lot more serious and they're not going to kill off anybody, at least as a joke. You're just seeing slightly similar premises and making that leap.
      Also SS was also with D-list characters, besides Harley. That's not important.

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад

      @@Mopark25 i hate d-list stuff you never feel home.

  • @thecloudtherapist
    @thecloudtherapist День назад +7

    No, Dave, you're not overdoing it. You're spot on 👏

  • @Dollar_Store_Cacodemon
    @Dollar_Store_Cacodemon День назад +11

    In John Coffe's voice:
    "I'm tired, boss."

  • @neoblakkrstal9865
    @neoblakkrstal9865 День назад +5

    It is imperative that we, as parents, teach our children proper morality. Otherwise, they could grow up and be Demonrats.

  • @Draw2quit
    @Draw2quit День назад +8

    There are only bad guys and worse guys, said by a character in a universe that only exists because a good guy died to save it.

    • @skitltes2587
      @skitltes2587 19 часов назад

      But that good guy did very bad things and brought about horrible moments. Sure he's a hero but he also has done bad things

    • @Draw2quit
      @Draw2quit 16 часов назад

      @@skitltes2587 tony stark's entire arc is based on the fact that he spends his life trying to use technology to take short cuts and ending wars before they start, you're right in saying that but eventually he does the right thing by laying on the wire, rather than trying to cut it. To quote the man who is the epitome of a good guy

  • @tylerwarner3677
    @tylerwarner3677 День назад +5

    “No right, no wrong, no rules for me - I’m free!” -Frozen

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman День назад +11

    No Good, no Evil, just Power...🙄

  • @mr.dccomics9018
    @mr.dccomics9018 День назад +4

    And now you see why Hollywood demonize Superman.

  • @blshouse
    @blshouse День назад +5

    "What is this, some sort of Suicide Squad?"

  • @kamakazed3747
    @kamakazed3747 День назад +6

    Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 24 times........nope never made it past twice.

  • @williamwelch7
    @williamwelch7 День назад +5

    Thanks Dave, glad you're one of the good guys!

  • @JohnDoe-tv4zf
    @JohnDoe-tv4zf День назад +4

    Everything is just so depressing nowadays. It’s heartbreaking. These movies are all by design to destroy the fabric of societies.

  • @guilhermehank4938
    @guilhermehank4938 День назад +6

    I legit dont give a rat's @55 to any of them

    • @tompille7456
      @tompille7456 День назад

      thats one of their excuses to go on like that.

  • @skullkrusher4078
    @skullkrusher4078 День назад +3

    This issue exists because Hollywood insists on hiring young writers who are mentally stuck in junior high school and were bullied by their peers. They view the heroes as the "in crowd" (the popular kids) and the villains (their group) as the "misunderstood" or the "oppressed".

  • @PettyCrow-n9c
    @PettyCrow-n9c День назад +3

    It all comes down to writing. Thunderbolts, The Joker, The Penguin, and even Suicide Squad are all examples of Hollywood having a very warped idea of right and wrong.

  • @Cycle.every.day.
    @Cycle.every.day. День назад +4

    This is borderline woke , it comes up to the woke line and just stops or goes just over , it's treading the line.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +1

      Once you accept how far the line is moved you come to understand it's nowhere near the borderline. It's still way over.

  • @paulriveaux
    @paulriveaux День назад +4

    Your conveying this point perfectly. It's sad to see the fall of Hollywood and their values.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +1

      Did dy and Ep Ste In go all the way to the top. If only people really understand just how bad things really are behind closed doors.
      Ezekiel and Jesus has spoken. Too bad churches don't teach what they said.

  • @JasonMcMackins
    @JasonMcMackins День назад +3

    Only the Evil would try to convince you there is no Good.

  • @Fluxion77
    @Fluxion77 День назад +4

    One of your most important videos. Especially in these times.

  • @basicfilmblog
    @basicfilmblog День назад +4

    Because grey areas are extremely common place. Nobody is all good or all bad.

  • @bazzzzz6175
    @bazzzzz6175 День назад +3

    Man, 99% of what Disney/Marvel puts out is sludgey, dark, murky looking grey/brown muck.

  • @08fighter08
    @08fighter08 День назад +3

    Subjective morality has always been a problem in Hollywood but now it’s everywhere.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +1

      Yes, they have been creating their own feedback loop for decades now.

  • @Brandon-jf2dw
    @Brandon-jf2dw День назад +4

    Art is an expression of the soul, the filth we see on screen is the manifestation of the sickness within their creators

  • @Richforce1
    @Richforce1 День назад +3

    Thing is in the comics the Thunderbolts were NOT like the Suicide Squad, they're both made up of villains but that's where the resemblance ends. The squad are forced into it to try to get out of prison, the Thunderbolts started as a plot by Baron Zemo when most of the world's heroes disappeared by having some villains pose as new heroes only for most of his minions to LIKE being good guys and decide to turn on Zemo and embrace their Thunderbolt personas totally. To me it isn't Thunderbolts without Mach, Songbird, Atlas and Techno.

  • @DiggitySlice
    @DiggitySlice День назад +13

    You say that this is the Avengers B-team, but the current Avengers line-up is Falcon Captain America, Iron Heart, Shiri Black Panther, two wahmin Captain Marvels, a stretchy Muslim girl, Kate Bishop, a not angry Hulk, a way too angry She-Hulk, and any remnant of the characters people actually liked played by actors who are too tired to give a shit anymore. We're on the Z-team by now

    • @Ihavethetouch
      @Ihavethetouch День назад

      @@DiggitySlice Are there officially Avengers anymore?

    • @joshuawells835
      @joshuawells835 День назад +1

      Agreed. The MCU peaked with Endgame and has been struggling with what to do next ever since. It’s the Hollywood equivalent of winning the Super Bowl and trying to win it again.

  • @lancec3509
    @lancec3509 День назад +2

    I've been subscribed for a long time. Good for you for standing up for the right thing even though it isn't popular! Proud to be a subscriber.

  • @allendean9807
    @allendean9807 День назад +4

    Personally, im tired of the writers brain fucking Barnes. In the comics, he is winter soldier, breaks free of Hydra, hooks up with Romanoff, and BECOMES CAPTAIN AMERICA….. He doesn’t keep getting brainwashed, over and over and over. Hes not the mind control whipping boy, dammit. Barnes was BUCKY. He was, and IS a hero. Dammit. I hope hes not mind controlled again in this film.

  • @nigel_saxon
    @nigel_saxon День назад +4

    Elaine, just call her Elaine.

  • @OldMovieRob
    @OldMovieRob День назад +6

    Good point about the color palate. I wasn't a huge fan of the Wolvie/Deadpool film but I have to give credit that both leads had great, bright colors to their costumes and I'd like to see more like that in superhero films.

  • @NSAgent
    @NSAgent День назад +3

    I will complain and hate this film for no other reason except Disney ruined one of my favorite villains in Taskmaster 😡😡😡

  • @CanuckWolfman
    @CanuckWolfman День назад +3

    I really wish they'd tell the original Thunderbolts story. Supervillains pretending to be heroes to fill the void left by the Avengers as part of a scheme, only for several of them to decide they prefer being heroes is so much cooler than just being *The Suicide Squad We Have At Home.*
    I guess we just don't tell redemption stories anymore.

    • @waylonjonesapologist
      @waylonjonesapologist День назад +1

      The suicide squad we have at home is too accurate 😭

    • @tomgu2285
      @tomgu2285 День назад

      So basically this movie 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ what are you talking about????? Ohh the comics sound realy morally Grey 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 hmmm?????

  • @lyonsja1
    @lyonsja1 День назад +2

    The lack of color and proper lighting in modern cinema doesn't get mentioned enough.

  • @VincitOmniaVeritas7
    @VincitOmniaVeritas7 День назад +3

    Echo Chamberlain just released a video about why Disney keeps making villains sympathetic and I think it ties well with everything you said here. Worth the watch.

  • @Osprey850
    @Osprey850 День назад +2

    It's strange to me that Hollywood writes these stories in which evil isn't really evil, just misunderstood, and we need to try to understand them when these people freely call their political opponents "evil" and don't make the slightest effort to try to understand them. It's confusing how can they have such a black and white perspective on the real world and yet write stories that are nothing but shades of grey.

  • @Obssy
    @Obssy День назад +7

    I am not a religious person, but I understand your argument and I agree with your points. There seems to be a concerted effort to undermine established virtues and morals.

    • @Theseus9-cl7ol
      @Theseus9-cl7ol День назад +1

      It’s a Marxist tactic.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +3

      @@Theseus9-cl7ol You are completely correct. Good job! Thank you.

    • @GH-ub7qz
      @GH-ub7qz 22 часа назад

      but how could it be concerted?

    • @Obssy
      @Obssy 16 часов назад +1

      @@GH-ub7qz most of Hollywood is owned by a small group of people, and they decide what's being made and what isn't. So it's not that hard to imagine it's all a bit planned out.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 11 часов назад

      @@GH-ub7qz Sadly, no details in depth may be provided else the comments will disappear or the account will be removed.

  • @shawnotoole1421
    @shawnotoole1421 День назад +1

    "When evil has it easy and goodness has it hard" is totally right.

  • @critter30002001
    @critter30002001 День назад +3

    Don’t expect the color pallet to improve.
    They did the same to the later Harry Potter movies years ago

  • @justanothercomment416
    @justanothercomment416 День назад +1

    Thank you for using your platform to bring light into the world. We need more good people like yourself standing up.

  • @chance_ondriezek99
    @chance_ondriezek99 День назад +35

    Who else will be skipping this one?

    • @y2keef
      @y2keef День назад +1

      So I replied
      Got to the man bashing bit and deleted my comment and now I'm with ya buddy!

    • @BleachDemon707
      @BleachDemon707 День назад

      Who else makes stupid comments on youtube for "relevance"
      Oh, you do. 🙄

    • @ggt47
      @ggt47 День назад

      Before D&W the last time I saw an MCU project was werewolf. So that was,what? 2-3 years ago?

    • @Kowalski_5
      @Kowalski_5 День назад

      Not me.

    • @kamakazed3747
      @kamakazed3747 День назад +1

      Skipped the last what 15 now.

  • @fishertheadore6095
    @fishertheadore6095 День назад +2

    Wasn't expecting a *PSA* but this is *Needed.* Well done *King.*

  • @cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775
    @cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775 День назад +8

    They can no longer have heroes anymore. Even in older books, like The Witcher, you can have a rough and gritty environment where humans can be just as monstrous as the monsters but still have a hero who's doing what he can to help others and improve his environment.
    Have no fear in showing good and evil in story writing. You can have a rough environment yet have heroes and villians. If anything, these days, the people need heroes.

    • @benjaminthibieroz4155
      @benjaminthibieroz4155 День назад +2

      I try sticking to this as a writer. The witcher books are extraordinary. Another of my biggest inspiration is the Berserk manga. It doesn't shy away AT ALL showing humanity in all of its most despicable aspects. Yet it show people who are courageous and kind in spite of horrors happening to them. Darkness shows you how precious good is, for that where it is most needed and admirable.

  • @davidlutz2242
    @davidlutz2242 День назад +1

    Makes me want to recite that Norse prayer ...
    "Lo do I see my father. Lo do I see my brother's, lo do I see my forefathers back to the beginning. They do call to me to take my place among them in Valhalla where the brave shall live forever".
    Never let them make you forget who you are.

  • @DarinRWagner
    @DarinRWagner День назад +10

    A movie called "Thunderbolts" that features none of the characters that Kurt Busiek & Mark Bagely used when they created that team and series. The shoe-horning in of Sentry, a terrible character concept that never really caught on... three characters who have pretty much the same power set (being super-soldiers of a sort) and three forgettable femme fatales from three forgettable films. And to top it all off, they've turned La Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine into Amanda Waller. This is like going to a restaurant, ordering a Coca-Cola and they give you a root beer and tell you it's the same thing.

    • @Ihavethetouch
      @Ihavethetouch День назад

      None of these characters are even villains

    • @DarinRWagner
      @DarinRWagner День назад +1

      @@Ihavethetouch Two of them could be called "antagonists" but yeah, they are/were sympathetic. The core concept of the Thunderbolts was a group of villains (i.e. bad guys) who get "seduced by good." It's what made the series compelling to read and fun. This film has a message that can be called "opposite."

    • @Ihavethetouch
      @Ihavethetouch День назад

      ​@@DarinRWagner I've been reading the omnibus releases of Thunderbolts, damn they're good

  • @alexbenis4726
    @alexbenis4726 День назад +1

    I saw an interview with George Lucas and he stated one of the reasons he made Star Wars was to teach kids the difference between good and evil. Wow how that IP has fallen.

  • @jeffrofoo6910
    @jeffrofoo6910 День назад +3

    Yes very tired of them trying to make the villains relatable or misunderstood. I used to be very anti religion but I have to say removing god from civilization doesn’t seem to be helping.

  • @anzelmasmatutis2500
    @anzelmasmatutis2500 День назад +1

    Acolyte told us that "JEDI are BAD".
    I boycott all shows/movies who push good's ambiguity.

  • @BENR8108
    @BENR8108 День назад +7

    I like John Walkers character… he deserves more screen time

    • @WolfGuardian495
      @WolfGuardian495 День назад

      He does, but he needs to written by someone competent.

  • @MS-lk2sk
    @MS-lk2sk День назад +1

    Thanks for being brave to speak about things that turn people off sometimes

  • @kristophergilliam9374
    @kristophergilliam9374 День назад +6

    Preach, brother!

  • @bearpitt
    @bearpitt День назад +2

    When the wicked people are making the movies and TV shows? What do you expect?

  • @Mr.S7R4WM4N
    @Mr.S7R4WM4N День назад +8

    Isaiah 5:20
    King James Version
    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    • @Deridus
      @Deridus День назад +1

      At this point I'm starting to think we should just label everything as an Amalakite and ... well...

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 День назад +1

      @@Deridus They are still around. They walk among us. We simply call their mixed descendants by another name which is itself conflated with another people. Yet we're not allowed to talk about them or what Jesus actually said about them. Which is, of course, the real reason he was ...

  • @eksit101
    @eksit101 День назад +2

    Predictive programming, social engineering. Just getting you to accept evil. Diddy brings down the house, same rings as Disney, jeffEp.