Good day Jack.Learnt a lot from you .Over the last 10 days I knapped 1 point per day.Some took nearly 2 hours but others only took 45 minutes.Your techniques have saved quite a few possible broken points .I come from a country with a small knapping community but it's growing.Thanks.0ld school Richie.
I've been practicing every sense I've seen you. At least I don't cut myself as much anymore 🤣. And yeah I need more practice. Luckily I have a good supply of flint stone.
I've never seen this kind of indirect percussion knapping before. You've got some serious skill, man. Especially to move that quickly and precisely. Awesome video. I've been free-hand knapping for about two years now, but this method looks pretty interesting. I've got a bad habit of reaching across the face of a preform when I'm in the final stages and snapping it. I might try this and see if it fixes that habit.
+David McAliley Cool! I gotta warn you, though. This type of indirect percussion is like carving wood with a chainsaw. There's a lot of force in every strike and you need to be careful. :-)
The beer bottles I use are always from domestic beers, mostly Budweiser. I also try to use the larger size bottles (22 oz or 24 oz) instead of the 12 ounce but sometimes the 12 oz works fine. You just have to break a lot of bottles to find the thickest and flattest ones. There is a lot of variation. The imported beers have very curved and thin bottoms, so I never use them.
Hey Jack, cant thank you enough for the trouble you go to filming your videos. They are well shot and explained in a clear and patient manner. You have made a huge difference to my knapping skills. From a very appreciative newbie downunder, Thanks mate.
This is the video that got me started on Indirect Percussion. Here I am today years later looking at it again. What a great teaching video. Setting up those edge platforms just right as you thinned the point. Would you knapp this in the same way today?
Today, I've got my domed hand pad and steel tools. So I would use those instead of the limestone slab and the copper. On the indirect percussion, I would abrade a little more but everything elde is pretty much the same. I might use a little more pressure flaking to prepare striking areas as well.
Hey jack do you make ur own tools for indirect percussion, ive got a bunch of old tube tv glass id like to get some practice on . But the tools are alil pricey online .
Hey jack, just a quetion but i cant get long flakes, or any good flakes, any tips? I try to push in and snap down but right now im finding that pulling doen works. Any suggestions? Also where do you get those abrading stones?
You have to make sure the path of the flake is convex. If there are any dips, it will stop. Also, a flat surface is also weak. The best path is a convex ridge, but any convex area is good. Also, make sure that the platform does not crush. And I get the abrading stones from the hardware store: they are pieces from grinding wheels ( for bench grinders). I break the grinding wheels with a hammer.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills! You've been a huge influence on my skill level improving as a knapper. You keep mentioning, "making a quality video." Keep on doing it the way your doing it! All of those moments where Murphy's Law pops up, makes the whole session more realistic. I honestly prefer it that way, because those same things happen to me all the time. Thanks again for sharing!!!!
Very nice looking point again, I know where an old dump ground is from the early 1900s that has alot of old and thick bottle bottoms of different colors, I will see what I can scrounge up for ya when the weather gets cooler to many snakes out there now.
That point turned out very nice. Working glass can be tricky. It has a tendency to break when you least expect it. Obsidian too. On the plus side, bottle glass is cheap and easy to acquire!
Hello Around 17 minutes on the video when you were flattening the piece out you took extremely large flakes off Is that able to be done with pressure flaking or can that only be done with percussion or indirect percussion James
1. As a beginner, do you think it would be best to start with the premium tile from Home Depot or the 25 oz. Perrier water bottle bottoms? 2. Or would you suggest another material - my idea is to start with a predictable material (tile, glass, etc) so I can refine flaking technique without the intervening variable of material difference every time... 3. I am studying up and experimenting on various creek stones, but I'm such a newbie that I think it would be better if I started out on standardized material, at least as far as that is possible. 4. Thank you so much for displaying & sharing your skills. L. Bland, Bella Vista, Arkansas.
Thank you, Sir. I watch & re-watch your videos. VERY helpful! I have made my own copper boppers & pressure flakers, etc --- now starting to use them; so far, so good. Your talking through the process has really helped me identify techniques & I continually find myself saying, "ahhh...that's what he was talking about..." I've made 2 arrowheads so far (tile/glass) & have been pleasantly surprised at what I am learning. Thank you!
I found something I do about as good as you. This was for a long the only thing I could find in quantity. Learned many things. Made a lot of points from class. Whisky bottles make bigger points.
Would like to know the grade of copper you use? Just came across your technique very precise and fast and efficient. I have never tried knapping always wanted to.
All the copper smaller than 1/4" diameter is grounding wire you can buy at the hardware store. The 1/4" and larger rods I buy from ebay. In my newest videos, I've switched over completely to aluminum. 6061 alloy.
This may be a stupid question, but are these serviceable/strong/sharp enough to kill a deer with? obviously volcanic glass works, or there wouldn't likely be enough humans left to make this video, but how does beer bottle glass compare to that?
I think there is a lot of hype surrounding obsidian. Modern glass is just as good, in my opinion. Beer bottle glass is just as sharp and doesn't contain the natural defects of some volcanic glass. So, in some ways, it can be better. I'm not sure why obsidian scalpels are used instead of glass scalpels, for example. It's probably the perception that glass is very fragile and that obsidian is considered a type of stone. But a quick search of actual obsidian scalpels will reveal the warning of being very fragile as well. So, yes, glass can be used to kill deer. Native Americans used bottle glass when it was available before firearms became the principle hunting/killing weapon.
I really appreciate it. I made a point after watching your vids. (the first being a complete failure, the second turned out great), and I think its sharp enough that I may try to take a deer with it this yr using some river cane arrows. Your vids are inspiring. Thanks, man.
What bottle do you recommend for use or does it not matter? Love the video and I now avidly try to make arrowheads, even though they be a little warped, practice makes for better.
Not all bottles are the same. In my opinion, the best (and cheapest) bottles are the 25 oz. Perrier water bottles. They are around $2 each and you can make 2 hunting-sized arrowheads from each bottom of a bottle. In any case, try not to use the small beer bottles. The larger ones work much better. I use a small beer bottle bottom in the video but I had to break a lot of bottles to find a good one.
Very nice skills there I was grinding my teeth thinking it was going to snap during the process but glad it didn't I'm going to try this sooner or later thanks for sharing your skills!
In my experience, I can't get large flakes like that with pressure. I'm not saying it can't be done, though. Personally, I can't get flakes like that with any other method than indirect percussion or "punch work".
dkoriss1 Yes, do not eat the meat around the wound. However, most of the meat is in the lower body, not the upper body (where the heart and lungs are). The percentage of unused meat is very small.
Nice point I've been working on glass points and I don't know wat I'm doing wrong the edges of my point just don't look right to me and my notching is awful is there any way I can send u some pics of my point and u give me some pointers
is there anyway you can show a detailed video on how you do your indirect percusion. I think i get it for the most part but I would like to know the positioning of everything. Please and thank you.
See my video 244: ruclips.net/video/capGa8Mr-mU/видео.html I basically hold the percussion flaker under my knee and strike it with a mallet. Another youtube knapper called "Freeze Cracked" recently posted his take on my indirect method in this video: ruclips.net/video/y7WsNGerJuo/видео.html He mentions Jason Newman. You can see Jason's version of indirect here: ruclips.net/video/A2BRBx2e2_w/видео.html Jason holds the indirect flaker between his belly and his leg. It's good to get different perspectives. :-)
I was also wondering, where could I possibly get one of those along with the plastic mallet along with it? I'm just starting to do this stuff and it looks like it is very effective in many of your videos.
Most guys make their own. I have a couple videos on how I make my tools. Do a search of my videos for "tools". there are a couple places that sell similar tools: try kentuckyflintworks.com
Thanks... one other things I've been knapping for about 1 and half, on beer bottles and have made about 6 good points but I am having trouble with change the angle of the edge aswell as moving it up and down Any chance you could do a video on problems that knappers come across and how to solve them I.e square edge, stack.... Your videos along with paleomanjim have been so so so so much help Thank you !!!!!!!! James
J .C. Beautiful point. Is there any thing you can't work? While.watching your vids, I really get into it with you. Keepem coming. We are loving it. Best wishes from N.E. Texas. The overthehill knapper. Ha
Thanks David. If you can think of a new material for me to try, let me know. Floor tile was a big breakthrough for me but I still have people that can't find stuff to knap.
That's just pretty amazing, I didn't think you'd be able to clear off all the sides like that ... lol you're really fun to watch ... I kept betting against you and losing !!! ;p
Probably could get them very cheap on Amazon, or even at your local walmart or kmart. if you decide to use it i would love to see it in a film on how it actually would help you.
BTW great work with all your points. I myself is trying to get into it, also looking for arrowheads. Very awesome hobby to learn! keep up the good work.
+Eric Veach Yeah, gluing leather to a rock would work. I think a tennis ball would be way too flexible. It's all about not causing too much bending in the workpiece.
You can make your own. See my video here: ruclips.net/video/k0Hou3YkqpI/видео.html You can see how I use it here: ruclips.net/video/capGa8Mr-mU/видео.html
Thank you your video helped me alot. I have always shot long bows but now I am hopeful that I will harvest game with arrows I made my self. I have some arrow heads I have completed I wish I could send you a picture of them and get your oppinion.
Good day Jack.Learnt a lot from you .Over the last 10 days I knapped 1 point per day.Some took nearly 2 hours but others only took 45 minutes.Your techniques have saved quite a few possible broken points .I come from a country with a small knapping community but it's growing.Thanks.0ld school Richie.
I like the convex stone to support the point from snaping. Nice work. I learned some more about this craft. Thank you.
You're very welcome
Really good video man, I would be overjoyed If I could make something like yours looks at the halfway point 😂
Thanks
I love that. Junk to beautiful art ✌️
Now here is a material I can get my hands on!
I've been practicing every sense I've seen you. At least I don't cut myself as much anymore 🤣. And yeah I need more practice.
Luckily I have a good supply of flint stone.
It's always a great feeling to know you've always got more stone...
I've never seen this kind of indirect percussion knapping before. You've got some serious skill, man. Especially to move that quickly and precisely. Awesome video. I've been free-hand knapping for about two years now, but this method looks pretty interesting. I've got a bad habit of reaching across the face of a preform when I'm in the final stages and snapping it. I might try this and see if it fixes that habit.
+David McAliley Cool! I gotta warn you, though. This type of indirect percussion is like carving wood with a chainsaw. There's a lot of force in every strike and you need to be careful. :-)
The beer bottles I use are always from domestic beers, mostly Budweiser. I also try to use the larger size bottles (22 oz or 24 oz) instead of the 12 ounce but sometimes the 12 oz works fine. You just have to break a lot of bottles to find the thickest and flattest ones. There is a lot of variation. The imported beers have very curved and thin bottoms, so I never use them.
Hey Jack, cant thank you enough for the trouble you go to filming your videos. They are well shot and explained in a clear and patient manner. You have made a huge difference to my knapping skills.
From a very appreciative newbie downunder,
Thanks mate.
You're very welcome Steve
This is the video that got me started on Indirect Percussion. Here I am today years later looking at it again. What a great teaching video. Setting up those edge platforms just right as you thinned the point.
Would you knapp this in the same way today?
Today, I've got my domed hand pad and steel tools. So I would use those instead of the limestone slab and the copper. On the indirect percussion, I would abrade a little more but everything elde is pretty much the same. I might use a little more pressure flaking to prepare striking areas as well.
Hey jack do you make ur own tools for indirect percussion, ive got a bunch of old tube tv glass id like to get some practice on . But the tools are alil pricey online .
Yeah, I make my own tools. I've got some videos on that topic. Do a youtube search for "jack crafty tools"
Hey jack, just a quetion but i cant get long flakes, or any good flakes, any tips? I try to push in and snap down but right now im finding that pulling doen works. Any suggestions? Also where do you get those abrading stones?
You have to make sure the path of the flake is convex. If there are any dips, it will stop. Also, a flat surface is also weak. The best path is a convex ridge, but any convex area is good. Also, make sure that the platform does not crush. And I get the abrading stones from the hardware store: they are pieces from grinding wheels ( for bench grinders). I break the grinding wheels with a hammer.
Is the flaker the same as the ones you use on the rocks? I see in some videos that people use thinner flakers and shorter too
Yes. Same flaker.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills! You've been a huge influence on my skill level improving as a knapper. You keep mentioning, "making a quality video." Keep on doing it the way your doing it! All of those moments where Murphy's Law pops up, makes the whole session more realistic. I honestly prefer it that way, because those same things happen to me all the time. Thanks again for sharing!!!!
Thanks Danny.
Thanks for your help. What size is the white plastic rod ..
ruclips.net/video/k0Hou3YkqpI/видео.html
Please tell me what’s holding your knapper up. how are you able to hit it like that?
ruclips.net/video/capGa8Mr-mU/видео.html
Wow, you worked the curve right of the glass.
+urbanpope Thanks. Takes practice and lots of broken pieces. :-)
How are you holding the copper tipped tool and hitting it as well? A 3rd hand?
If I had an assistant, yes. But I'm holding it behind my knee. Do a search for " jack crafty front view" for a better view of the tool.
Very nice looking point again, I know where an old dump ground is from the early 1900s that has alot of old and thick bottle bottoms of different colors, I will see what I can scrounge up for ya when the weather gets cooler to many snakes out there now.
That point turned out very nice. Working glass can be tricky. It has a tendency to break when you least expect it. Obsidian too. On the plus side, bottle glass is cheap and easy to acquire!
Dang you make that look easy. I have finished a couple arrow heads and my first blade but I am light years behind you. Thanks for videos.
The white plastic pressure flaker would you get your material from if you don't mind me asking
I get it from ebay or grainger.com. it's called "UHMW Plastic Rod White"
Hello
Around 17 minutes on the video when you were flattening the piece out you took extremely large flakes off
Is that able to be done with pressure flaking or can that only be done with percussion or indirect percussion
James
After watching, I feel like I can do it too. Nice looking work. Thanks for sharing.
What is that white handle material? It appears to be plastic or Nylon and where can you get it?
Try eBay. It's called: UHMW white plastic rod.
Very nice...I will be checking out your tool video...This was inspiring! Thanks! Beautiful point as well...
+TheJimford Thanks!
1. As a beginner, do you think it would be best to start with the premium tile from Home Depot or the 25 oz. Perrier water bottle bottoms?
2. Or would you suggest another material - my idea is to start with a predictable material (tile, glass, etc) so I can refine flaking technique without the intervening variable of material difference every time...
3. I am studying up and experimenting on various creek stones, but I'm such a newbie that I think it would be better if I started out on standardized material, at least as far as that is possible.
4. Thank you so much for displaying & sharing your skills.
L. Bland, Bella Vista, Arkansas.
Start with the tile. Glass is good but dangerous and difficult to clean up. I would knap about 50 pounds of tile before trying anything else.
Thank you, Sir. I watch & re-watch your videos. VERY helpful! I have made my own copper boppers & pressure flakers, etc --- now starting to use them; so far, so good. Your talking through the process has really helped me identify techniques & I continually find myself saying, "ahhh...that's what he was talking about..." I've made 2 arrowheads so far (tile/glass) & have been pleasantly surprised at what I am learning. Thank you!
I found something I do about as good as you. This was for a long the only thing I could find in quantity. Learned many things. Made a lot of points from class. Whisky bottles make bigger points.
I always thought glass would be my go to rock for a survival situation.
Hey what did you use to chip the glass I want to make one but can't seem to find any good tools
Watch my tools video: 245 - Vlog - My Copper, Plastic, and Steel Flintknapping Tools
How bout half of a tennis or raquet ball for a flexible, rounded surface for pressure flaking on something you can hold?
Would like to know the grade of copper you use? Just came across your technique very precise and fast and efficient. I have never tried knapping always wanted to.
All the copper smaller than 1/4" diameter is grounding wire you can buy at the hardware store. The 1/4" and larger rods I buy from ebay.
In my newest videos, I've switched over completely to aluminum. 6061 alloy.
Very nice hobbit, amazing looking point in my opinion.
Did you buy or make the finger protectors? Is that just a heavy painters drop cloth you are using to catch your flakes?
The finger protectors are white duct tape and, yes, the drop cloth is canvas painter's cloth.
Great video! Thank You for sharing. Useing an anvil is very helpful
are you suppose to use copper to make a pressure flaker point?
I used a nail but it keeps slipping off.... im new to this
mrMacGoover Yeah, copper works better than steel. You can also use bone or antler.
thanks for the tip and responding to my question so promptly ( :
You're welcome.
This may be a stupid question, but are these serviceable/strong/sharp enough to kill a deer with? obviously volcanic glass works, or there wouldn't likely be enough humans left to make this video, but how does beer bottle glass compare to that?
I think there is a lot of hype surrounding obsidian. Modern glass is just as good, in my opinion. Beer bottle glass is just as sharp and doesn't contain the natural defects of some volcanic glass. So, in some ways, it can be better. I'm not sure why obsidian scalpels are used instead of glass scalpels, for example. It's probably the perception that glass is very fragile and that obsidian is considered a type of stone. But a quick search of actual obsidian scalpels will reveal the warning of being very fragile as well.
So, yes, glass can be used to kill deer. Native Americans used bottle glass when it was available before firearms became the principle hunting/killing weapon.
I really appreciate it. I made a point after watching your vids. (the first being a complete failure, the second turned out great), and I think its sharp enough that I may try to take a deer with it this yr using some river cane arrows. Your vids are inspiring. Thanks, man.
You're welcome. :-)
Yeah, there's always more bottle glass, that's for sure!
great video the close up really helps A LOT!
Thanks!
Does steel work better for final edge work than copper ?
No, not really. But steel keeps its shape and doesn't need as much maintenance. I like it a lot because it's easier.
What bottle do you recommend for use or does it not matter? Love the video and I now avidly try to make arrowheads, even though they be a little warped, practice makes for better.
Not all bottles are the same. In my opinion, the best (and cheapest) bottles are the 25 oz. Perrier water bottles. They are around $2 each and you can make 2 hunting-sized arrowheads from each bottom of a bottle. In any case, try not to use the small beer bottles. The larger ones work much better. I use a small beer bottle bottom in the video but I had to break a lot of bottles to find a good one.
What is the name of the flat steel sharpening tool?
That's a "mill file".
Very nice skills there I was grinding my teeth thinking it was going to snap during the process but glad it didn't I'm going to try this sooner or later thanks for sharing your skills!
Thanks Candelario. I often grind my teeth during the process also... :-)
I've been thinking about doing a "solving problems" video series... so you may see one soon.
That would be great
Had a go with some bottle glass today. Still cant get my head around thinning... where and at what angle to hit...
+Colin Gair Think of it as "peeling" off flakes. That might help. The angle is almost an unconscious thing. *I* don't even know what angle I'm using.
In my experience, I can't get large flakes like that with pressure. I'm not saying it can't be done, though. Personally, I can't get flakes like that with any other method than indirect percussion or "punch work".
I fell asleep watching a video about a rat or something and then I woke up to the scratching of this, I was very confused and I went back to sleep
I wish I could fall back to sleep that easily.
maravilloso.simplemente maravilloso ojala pudiera hacer videos y una seccion de preguntas y respuestas para sus seguidores en español.
"I'll make some better ones...". Really man ??? Haha. The point you made looked great to me!
i guess anything glass or glass-like works. i really really want to try this
what kind of tape is that on your fingers? Looks like gaffers tape. I need to do that. Yesterday I put a nice long flake into my finger tip!
Colored duct tape from walmart. :-)
Yeah, I agree. I break a lot more workpieces with pressure techniques.
awesome skills, if you take a game with a glass arrowhead should you waste the meat around the wound for not to eat glass splinters ?
dkoriss1 Yes, do not eat the meat around the wound. However, most of the meat is in the lower body, not the upper body (where the heart and lungs are). The percentage of unused meat is very small.
Allergic Hobbit Thanks for your reply keep your videos rolling, they are so interesting and informative.
Nice point
I've been working on glass points and I don't know wat I'm doing wrong the edges of my point just don't look right to me and my notching is awful is there any way I can send u some pics of my point and u give me some pointers
Sure, shoot me an email: jackcrafty@yahoo.com
is there anyway you can show a detailed video on how you do your indirect percusion. I think i get it for the most part but I would like to know the positioning of everything. Please and thank you.
See my video 244: ruclips.net/video/capGa8Mr-mU/видео.html
I basically hold the percussion flaker under my knee and strike it with a mallet. Another youtube knapper called "Freeze Cracked" recently posted his take on my indirect method in this video: ruclips.net/video/y7WsNGerJuo/видео.html
He mentions Jason Newman. You can see Jason's version of indirect here: ruclips.net/video/A2BRBx2e2_w/видео.html
Jason holds the indirect flaker between his belly and his leg.
It's good to get different perspectives. :-)
Thank you for the links much appreciated
I know you've already answered this in previous videos (I'm very forgetful) but how do you use the ishi stick offscreen?
I hold the stick behind my knee.
I was also wondering, where could I possibly get one of those along with the plastic mallet along with it? I'm just starting to do this stuff and it looks like it is very effective in many of your videos.
Most guys make their own. I have a couple videos on how I make my tools. Do a search of my videos for "tools". there are a couple places that sell similar tools: try kentuckyflintworks.com
How do u hold the tool and whack it at the same time?
Thanks. Great compliment. I appreciate that. :-)
Good choice, Mike. I like tools that serve multiple functions too.
Thanks... one other things
I've been knapping for about 1 and half, on beer bottles and have made about 6 good points but I am having trouble with change the angle of the edge aswell as moving it up and down
Any chance you could do a video on problems that knappers come across and how to solve them I.e square edge, stack....
Your videos along with paleomanjim have been so so so so much help
Thank you !!!!!!!!
James
made my first notched point from a beer bottle bottom today. not as nice as this one but its passable.
Muito legal!
Conseguiu um bom resultado.
Eu estou aprendendo com você!
J .C. Beautiful point. Is there any thing you can't work? While.watching your vids, I really get into it with you. Keepem coming. We are loving it. Best wishes from N.E. Texas. The overthehill knapper. Ha
Thanks David. If you can think of a new material for me to try, let me know. Floor tile was a big breakthrough for me but I still have people that can't find stuff to knap.
Yeab, I like using my copper notcher to dress the edge. It works really well.
You can send the arrowhead pictures to jackcrafty@yahoo.com.
Thank you for sharing that thinking about giving her a try
I break glass every time I pick it up. A bottle bottom is difficult for me still.
Try it 100 times. You'll get better eventually.
Thats amazing mate. Mad skills
Ian Jacob Thanks!
That's just pretty amazing, I didn't think you'd be able to clear off all the sides like that ... lol you're really fun to watch ... I kept betting against you and losing !!! ;p
Yes, I got the pictures. Thanks Michael!
It's obvious to me you were trying to make them too thin they need to be stronger and that means their error had must be thicker it's simple okay
Nice. I have to try.
Let me know how it turns out. :-)
Have you tried using an Archer glove? that might help with the method you use :)
That's an excellent idea. Now I just need to get one... hahah I don't normally use an archer's glove for shooting.
Probably could get them very cheap on Amazon, or even at your local walmart or kmart. if you decide to use it i would love to see it in a film on how it actually would help you.
OK. Note to self: try to remember to buy archer's glove. :-)
BTW great work with all your points. I myself is trying to get into it, also looking for arrowheads. Very awesome hobby to learn! keep up the good work.
Thanks!
Damn nice point Gene Gorringe Mi 👍✌️🇺🇲🇬🇧
Thanks
Thanks. I never know what's going to happen either.
Thanks!
This is Awesome!
Or glue some leather to a rock, maybe. I hate broken points.
+Eric Veach Yeah, gluing leather to a rock would work. I think a tennis ball would be way too flexible. It's all about not causing too much bending in the workpiece.
great arrow making from glass great way to recycle glass
Thanks!
Thanks man
That tool where would I get one
You can make your own. See my video here: ruclips.net/video/k0Hou3YkqpI/видео.html
You can see how I use it here:
ruclips.net/video/capGa8Mr-mU/видео.html
Thank you your video helped me alot. I have always shot long bows but now I am hopeful that I will harvest game with arrows I made my self. I have some arrow heads I have completed I wish I could send you a picture of them and get your oppinion.
olha muito bem explicado, so esse tutorial ficou show de bola sem palavras mesmo
The copper tool I mean
It's a beer bottle
I sent them did you ever get them?
that is a beer botle
masterpiece!!
5*
;-)
Thank you!
Ever kill a deer with one?
Not yet
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is that obsidian ?????
Nope. Not obsidian.
anel fulltv just read the title more carefully
I sent you a email thanks for your time