Yep I had a public pretender . Never came and seen me never answered my calls . One time I asked him for some drawing paper . Wouldn’t even do that . He got me an offer for 90 months . I chose to represent myself and got 44 months.
Public defenders are ass and don’t do shit luckily I got a Karen ass neighbor that has no proof of me stealing his gaming systems he want to take me to court for it saying it’s burglary when we were in the same house and aggravated theft like I can do it myself . The judge is probably gonna laugh when she sees it’s video games and the accuser has a bad criminal record
@@lovettewilliams4114 If you are incarcerated, they often have law books available and you simply let the court know you are representing yourself which is termed "pro se." For most people it is a bad idea, but there can be worse lawyers than yourself.
Yes. Literally yes. That’s unfortunately how our system currently works. We absolutely need to change that, but unfortunately that’s just how it is right now. It’s terribly unfair.
I'm in California/ Mendocino area and have a case I'm dealing with now and honestly my public defender dosent care or is trying at all. If you ever have time could I ask you a question or two for some advice? I would greatly appreciate it.
Get your own atty. Pay payments. Most attys. Accept payments. Choose one wisely. Research all attys well before you make a choise. Court appointed attys are less than worthless. They work for the same system that is trying to take your freedom. A good atty will cut thru the bulls..t and lies. Most cops aren't intelligent enough to make a case without lying or embellishing the facts of the case. You can come to the defense of the police if you want to but with me you're just preaching to the choir. They all lie, they all embellish. Go down believing what you want, but for me, i will always opp for a paid atty. Every one in the court system knows cops lie and embellish. They do nothing about it even when cops are caught red handed. Heed my warning. Get your own atty. Court appointed attys do not have access to the same services as the states atty. The court does everything it can to convict you even when they know you are innocent. Court appointed attys do nothing to allow that process down.
This is a great topic so I figured I would contribute. I'm in Florida so there are some nuances compared to Texas. First, in Florida Public Defenders are elected officials, so each of our 20 judicial circuits has an elected Public Defender with state paid assistant Public Defenders (APD). The same applies to State Attorneys, 20 elected State Attorneys who also have their Assistant State Attorneys (ASA). Both of these organizations are funded by the state of Florida which means that all of the APDs and ASAs are Florida state employees. Second and getting to the actual point; I am both a former ASA and ADP, and I can tell you that the case loads are overwhelming. As a Public Defender I would typically have upwards of 180 clients at any given time, all by myself. Third, as far as the quality of lawyers, it varies. There are ASAs and APDs who are absolutely brilliant and there are those that just plain suck. The same principle applies to the private bar. The bottom line is that most Public Defenders have such an overwhelming case load that it is almost impossible to represent each client to the best of that lawyer's ability. Now that I'm in private criminal defense practice, I have made a commitment to not ever have more that 20 clients at any given time so that I can apply my skills and knowledge 100% to each of their cases. This is the main difference between a PD and a private attorney.
Yours is the first honest response Ive seen. Ive definitely seen some Private attorneys who deserves to be barred for malpractice, I have also worked with some who have been very helpful and didn't charge for every little thing they did. I helped pay my gf attorney fees for a family court issue and it was literally like 100 per email, etc. The lady sounded like she was promising, the typical cant guarantee anything, but would try to work a particular angle etc. Later after all the outrageous payment letters and non action for the court issues, we looked at reviews and come to find out this lady had been doing that to people for years. Strech everything so she continues to get paid, none of her clients gave good results. The ones who did make it to trial still ended up losing. She literally had multiple things should could have used as a defense and didnt address any of them. smh
Public defender is better for certain crimes like dui or shoplifting. If you've been caught cold for something like that, no reason to pay thousands for a lawyer to blow smoke up your ass.
Not so much with DUI. That’s actually really bad advice. DUI cases are very technical and can be complex, which can lead to several ways to successfully defend the case. Even if it seems like someone got caught dead to rights it can actually be fought in many different ways.
My public pretender is helping the state not me he told me we can beat all my 2nd charges then trying to get me to take a plea agreement on beatable charges not to mention them asking me to step out of my cell where a gentleman sprayed my whole cell with bug spray where I slept on a floor mat and after being sprayed I was instantly thrown back in to the cell as soon as he finished spraying the cell and I was closed back in where I had no choice and was breathing in bug killer chemicals for an alarming length of time where I then got so sick I could not take breaths and couldn’t barley breathe and thought like I was going to die from it,! I got to the point I could not breathe and it scared me so bad I went to an ER where they gave me meds for my highly inflamed nasal polyps, swollen throat passage …. I feel like I was used as a experimental lab rat for science… when I left the jail on bond the next day I felt sick so I went to the Er and was out of work for a week or longer when I returned back to work with a doctor’s excuse + a return to work note started work shift at 4:30am when the clock got to 12:00 noon I was then called to the office where I was immediately handed a pink slip and got fired the same day I returned back to work I believe the state county is at fault for it it steams from this chemical used I called it the “Nazi chemical breathing torture dome” and “Nazi experimental chemical trails for human” what should I do
Had to get an Attorney for a California Sate issue. Glad I picked one from asking questions. A team worked with me. I did my research on my case. Went to court 13 times before case was thrown out because of State was not being ready. Was charged with 2 felonies and 2 misdemeanor's. Glad that's over. Do your own research on your case to support it, and keep in touch with any new evidence to support it!
If you can afford it, get a lawyer. Public Defenders don't defend ANYBODY. It's the Office of Public Defense here in WA State, and for each step of the process you get a DIFFERENT lawyer, so your "speedy trial" can last for months - even years. I would represent myself before I would settle for a public defender that A., doesn't know me, B. doesn't care, and C. is not a trained criminal defense lawyer. I personally told a family member to fire their "public defender" after being jerked around for 1-1/2 years and paid for an attorney for him. Settled in 1 week, limited penalty. One of the public defenders he got stuck with didn't even know criminal law or what a speedy trial was! He was into wills and probates and was drafted to defend defendants in a criminal trial. Public defenders only do paperwork. Nothing more.
Hmmm....isn't supposed to be a choice between court-appointed or private attorneys. You are only eligible to receive a court appointed attorney if you cannot afford a private attorney. They generally do a financial check of some sort to determine eligibility. If you don't have the money--your decision is made. If you do have the money--your decision is made. The last thing you need to do after being charged with a crime is commit one by falsifying your finances to the court.
I was sitting in courtroom during a break. Amazingly, the court personnel showed their true colors with me sitting there writing it all down. Most of the shenanigans were on the part of the public defenders who made it crystal clear that they believed ALL of their clients were guilty. They made fun of their speech patterns and their professions of innocence and they even discussed a minimum court cost that SHOULD be paid by the DEFENDANT. Conclusion: They believe all defendants are guilty. How can they profess to be a lawyer for the defendant then?
The lawyer never clearly define attorney or lawyers sometimes they called counsel in the U.S., they're collectively called everything from "attorney" to "lawyer" to "counselor." Are these terms truly equivalent, or has the identity of one been mistaken for another What exactly is a "Licensed BAR Attorney In order to discern the difference, and where we stand within the current court system, it’s necessary to examine the British origins of our U.S. courts and the terminology that has been established from the beginning. It's important to understand the proper lawful definitions for the various titles we now give these court related occupations. The legal profession in the U.S. is directly derived from the British system. Even the word "bar" is of British origin: BAR. A particular portion of a court room. Named from the space enclosed by two bars or rails: one of which separated the judge's bench from the rest of the room; the other shut off both the bench and the area for lawyers engaged in trials from the space allotted to suitors, witnesses, and others. Such persons as appeared as speakers (advocates, or counsel) before the court, were said to be "called to the bar", that is, privileged so to appear, speak and otherwise serve in the presence of the judges as "barristers." The corresponding phrase in the United States is "admitted to the bar". - A Dictionary of Law (1893). From the definition of ‘bar,’ the title and occupation of a "barrister" is derived: BARRISTER, English law. 1.A counselor admitted to plead at the bar. 2. Ouster barrister, is one who pleads ouster or without the bar. 3. Inner barrister, a sergeant or king's counsel who pleads within the bar. 4. Vacation barrister, a counselor newly called to the bar, who is to attend for several long vacations the exercise of the house. 5. Barristers are called apprentices, apprentitii ad legem, being looked upon as learners, and not qualified until they obtain the degree of sergeant. Edmund Plowden, the author of the Commentaries, a volume of elaborate reports in the reigns of Edward VI., Mary, Philip and Mary, and Elizabeth, describes himself as an apprentice of the common law. - A Law Dictionary by John Bouvier (Revised Sixth Edition, 1856). BARRISTER, n. [from bar.] A counselor, learned in the laws, qualified and admitted to please at the bar, and to take upon him the defense of clients; answering to the advocate or licentiate of other countries. Anciently, barristers were called, in England, apprentices of the law. Outer barristers are pleaders without the bar, to distinguish the from inner barristers, benchers or readers, who have been sometime admitted to please within the bar, as the king's counsel are. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. Overall, a barrister is one who has the privilege to plead at the courtroom bar separating the judicial from the non-judicial spectators. Currently, in U.S. courts, the inner bar between the bench (judge) and the outer bar no longer exists, and the outer bar separates the attorneys (not lawyers) from the spectator's gallery. This will be explained more as you read further. As with the word ‘bar,’ each commonly used word describing the various court officers is derived directly from root words: 1). From the word "solicit" is derived the name and occupation of a ‘solicitor’; one who solicits or petitions an action in a court. SOLICIT, v.t. [Latin solicito] 1. To ask with some degree of earnestness; to make petition to; to apply to for obtaining something. This word implies earnestness in seeking ... 2. To ask for with some degree of earnestness; to seek by petition; as, to solicit an office; to solicit a favor. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. 2). From the word "attorn" is derived the name and occupation of an ‘attorney;’ one who transfers or assigns property, rights, title and allegiance to the owner of the land. ATTORN / v. Me. [Origin French. atorner, aturner assign, appoint, f. a-torner turn v.] 1. v.t. Turn; change, transform; deck out. 2. v.t Turn over (goods, service, allegiance, etc.) to another; transfer, assign. 3. v.i. Transfer one’s tenancy, or (arch.) homage or allegiance, to another; formally acknowledge such transfer. attorn tenant (to) Law formally transfer one’s tenancy (to), make legal acknowledgement of tenancy ( to a new landlord). - Oxford English Dictionary 1999. ATTORN, v.i. [Latin ad and torno.] In the feudal law, to turn, or transfer homage and service from one lord to another. This is the act of feudatories, vassels or tenants, upon the alienation of the estate. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. ATTORNMENT, n. The act of a feudatory, vassal or tenant, by which he consents, upon the alienation of an estate, to receive a new lord or superior, and transfers to him his homage and service. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. ATTORNMENT n. the transference of bailor status, tenancy, or (arch.) allegiance, service, etc., to another; formal acknowledgement of such transfer: lme. - Oxford English Dictionary 1999. 3). From the word advocate comes the meaning of the occupation by the same name; one who pleads or defends by argument in a court. ADVOCATE, v.t. [Latin advocatus, from advoco, to call for, to plead for; of ad and voco, to call. See Vocal.] To plead in favor of; to defend by argument, before a tribunal; to support or vindicate. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. 4). From the word "counsel" is derived the name and occupation of a ‘counselor’ or ‘lawyer’; one who is learned in the law to give advice in a court of law; COUNSEL, v.t. [Latin. to consult; to ask, to assail.] 1. To give advice or deliberate opinion to another for the government of his conduct; to advise. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary. LAWYER. A counselor; one learned in the law. - A Law Dictionary by John Bouvier (Revised Sixth Edition, 1856). Although modern usage tends to group all these descriptive occupational words as the same, the fact is that they have different and distinctive meanings when used within the context of court activities: Solicitor - one who petitions (initiates) for another in a court Counselor - one who advises another concerning a court matter Lawyer - [see counselor] learned in the law to advise in a court Barrister - one who is privileged to plead at the bar Advocate - one who pleads within the bar for a defendant Attorney - one who transfers or assigns, within the bar, another's rights & property acting on behalf of the ruling crown (government) It's very clear that an attorney is not a lawyer. The lawyer is a learned counselor who advises. The ruling government appoints an attorney as one who transfers a tenant's rights, allegiance, and title to the land owner (government).
One difference is that a PD would be too busy to produce a video explaining that they are better and more talented than private attorneys! I think the major difference is that PDs are going to more overworked than a private attorney (and the material here about TX judges and budgets is scary). However, for many it's not a real choice, they simply cannot afford a private attorney.
Public defenders are overwhelmed with work. Arrested people end up sitting in jail waiting and waiting and waiting. Hiring an attorney can get you through the process faster. And you may not be in jail at all. You may not have to pay for bail/ bond depending on the charges.
Especially beware if the court in that jurisdiction is corrupt. The public defender of that court doesnt have your best interest at heart. I lived in a town where the court's priority was frivolous traffic tickets and whatever charges they could conjure up from their imagination for the maximum amount of revenue.
Most states make you pay for your attorney. The biggest thing is to lawyer up and shut up from the start. If you talk you could pay 50K for an attorney and go sailing. If you shut up a public defender could get you off. Now one big fact. The difference between a good attorney and a piss poor attorney is the questions they have the balls to ask and not worry about public opinion. I'll argue that fact any day. I know a lawyer who can care less what the judge thinks of him he speaks his mine. Sometimes you have to do that. Matt Tucker did a piss poor job defending Hannah Payne.. I would have been in that judges face. He had so many chances to request an approach and never did.
"Those attorneys who do only court-appointed work are less talented". Okayyyy. Where? In Texas? I promise you, there are attorneys in NYC who do only court-appointed work who will mop the floor with ANYBODY. I mean ANYBODY.
Are there any in CA? Where are they? I have PD and I’m feeling like he was given to me to fall. I know it sounds crazy but are there attorneys who are attorney just to lose their cases? Like they try to blow it for me? Because my case is literally a slam dunk win for me but I’m being urged to take a plea deal when I did nothing wrong. I’ve provided him caselaw and everything that I can think of to equip him to defend me and it seems like he’s doing nothing with it. If I hear “but this doesn’t apply to you in this case or your constitutional rights don’t apply here. “Well they did for this other schmuck on his case and his rights applied just like I understand them to be. I hate feeling like I’m shown a red square and being told it’s blue”
Be a fool Pro Se all day! Take the Sovereign Citizen defense! That’s one step better than a Public Defender in most cases. Internet advice is always best.
What about Victims or "We The People" being represented by a State Attorney in a criminal matter? I believe, in criminal cases, the Victims or We The People does not have a Constitutional rights option to be represented by a private attorney. This being said, are State's Attorneys just as incompetent as Public Defenders? And can criminal Victims or We The People raise the issue ineffective assistance of counsel, as well?
A former lawyer advised mental health counseling it’s not free only for Medicaid clients Miranda rights clients qualify for Medicaid I didn’t I never went to counselling
There are a lot of lawyers in some places that don't have full case loads (i.e., they're not as busy as they want). They're usually happy to do a brief interview at no charge. Generally, the bigger a city/town, the more "excess" lawyers there. Why do you think lawyers agree to be public defenders? It's a very unpleasant job; some do it from idealism, but how long can that last? Many do it from the appeal of not having to scrap for clients.
IMPORTANT PUBLIC NOTICE Both private attorneys and regular are illegal under the, UNITED STATES of AMERICA Constitution. Privateering is illegal!! Look up below law code to read factual worded law?? Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 Titles of nobility: lawyers, Judges, cops, police, paralegals, attorneys. Privateering: Private attorneys, private lawyers, private paralegals, private business, Corporations, agencies, CHiLD PROTECTION SERVICES and so forth!!.
So, knowing this what can the defendant do about it? When we know that if they have a court appointed attorney its likely that cant afford one. The concern is knowing that they will make the lowest income representing a client ,they aren't going to make much of an effort only what they will get paid for. I appreciate your video lots of possible problems no real or near impossible solutions for the Poor man and those who know very little about Law.
The defendant can make the job easier for the court appointed lawyer. You will know if you're guilty or not, so set your expectations accordingly. Don't talk to the police, etc.
Yep I had a public pretender . Never came and seen me never answered my calls . One time I asked him for some drawing paper . Wouldn’t even do that . He got me an offer for 90 months . I chose to represent myself and got 44 months.
Do tell.. how did you go about representing yourself?
Public defenders are ass and don’t do shit luckily I got a Karen ass neighbor that has no proof of me stealing his gaming systems he want to take me to court for it saying it’s burglary when we were in the same house and aggravated theft like I can do it myself . The judge is probably gonna laugh when she sees it’s video games and the accuser has a bad criminal record
@@lovettewilliams4114 If you are incarcerated, they often have law books available and you simply let the court know you are representing yourself which is termed "pro se." For most people it is a bad idea, but there can be worse lawyers than yourself.
so you only get fair treatment in the justice system if you have the money.
Sometimes not even then.
Yes. Literally yes. That’s unfortunately how our system currently works. We absolutely need to change that, but unfortunately that’s just how it is right now. It’s terribly unfair.
I have been a paralegal in Ca for 20 years, and this atty is definitely providing invaluable information.
Thank you, Samuel! Happy this content was helpful!
I'm in California/ Mendocino area and have a case I'm dealing with now and honestly my public defender dosent care or is trying at all. If you ever have time could I ask you a question or two for some advice? I would greatly appreciate it.
Get your own atty. Pay payments. Most attys. Accept payments. Choose one wisely. Research all attys well before you make a choise. Court appointed attys are less than worthless. They work for the same system that is trying to take your freedom. A good atty will cut thru the bulls..t and lies. Most cops aren't intelligent enough to make a case without lying or embellishing the facts of the case. You can come to the defense of the police if you want to but with me you're just preaching to the choir. They all lie, they all embellish. Go down believing what you want, but for me, i will always opp for a paid atty. Every one in the court system knows cops lie and embellish. They do nothing about it even when cops are caught red handed. Heed my warning. Get your own atty. Court appointed attys do not have access to the same services as the states atty. The court does everything it can to convict you even when they know you are innocent. Court appointed attys do nothing to allow that process down.
A BIG portion of the US Courts are a SCAM and a FRAUD, and are CORRUPT !
ask me how I know
This is a great topic so I figured I would contribute. I'm in Florida so there are some nuances compared to Texas. First, in Florida Public Defenders are elected officials, so each of our 20 judicial circuits has an elected Public Defender with state paid assistant Public Defenders (APD). The same applies to State Attorneys, 20 elected State Attorneys who also have their Assistant State Attorneys (ASA). Both of these organizations are funded by the state of Florida which means that all of the APDs and ASAs are Florida state employees. Second and getting to the actual point; I am both a former ASA and ADP, and I can tell you that the case loads are overwhelming. As a Public Defender I would typically have upwards of 180 clients at any given time, all by myself. Third, as far as the quality of lawyers, it varies. There are ASAs and APDs who are absolutely brilliant and there are those that just plain suck. The same principle applies to the private bar. The bottom line is that most Public Defenders have such an overwhelming case load that it is almost impossible to represent each client to the best of that lawyer's ability. Now that I'm in private criminal defense practice, I have made a commitment to not ever have more that 20 clients at any given time so that I can apply my skills and knowledge 100% to each of their cases. This is the main difference between a PD and a private attorney.
Yours is the first honest response Ive seen. Ive definitely seen some Private attorneys who deserves to be barred for malpractice, I have also worked with some who have been very helpful and didn't charge for every little thing they did. I helped pay my gf attorney fees for a family court issue and it was literally like 100 per email, etc. The lady sounded like she was promising, the typical cant guarantee anything, but would try to work a particular angle etc. Later after all the outrageous payment letters and non action for the court issues, we looked at reviews and come to find out this lady had been doing that to people for years. Strech everything so she continues to get paid, none of her clients gave good results. The ones who did make it to trial still ended up losing. She literally had multiple things should could have used as a defense and didnt address any of them. smh
Public defender is better for certain crimes like dui or shoplifting. If you've been caught cold for something like that, no reason to pay thousands for a lawyer to blow smoke up your ass.
Not so much with DUI. That’s actually really bad advice. DUI cases are very technical and can be complex, which can lead to several ways to successfully defend the case. Even if it seems like someone got caught dead to rights it can actually be fought in many different ways.
My public pretender is helping the state not me he told me we can beat all my 2nd charges then trying to get me to take a plea agreement on beatable charges not to mention them asking me to step out of my cell where a gentleman sprayed my whole cell with bug spray where I slept on a floor mat and after being sprayed I was instantly thrown back in to the cell as soon as he finished spraying the cell and I was closed back in where I had no choice and was breathing in bug killer chemicals for an alarming length of time where I then got so sick I could not take breaths and couldn’t barley breathe and thought like I was going to die from it,! I got to the point I could not breathe and it scared me so bad I went to an ER where they gave me meds for my highly inflamed nasal polyps, swollen throat passage ….
I feel like I was used as a experimental lab rat for science… when I left the jail on bond the next day I felt sick so I went to the Er and was out of work for a week or longer when I returned back to work with a doctor’s excuse + a return to work note started work shift at 4:30am when the clock got to 12:00 noon I was then called to the office where I was immediately handed a pink slip and got fired the same day I returned back to work I believe the state county is at fault for it it steams from this chemical used I called it the
“Nazi chemical breathing torture dome” and “Nazi experimental chemical trails for human” what should I do
The system is really f*cked when there are monetary rewards for judges.
The difference is if you can't afford a lawyer public defender and he's going to tell you to take a plea deal whether you're guilty or not
Always hire your own attorney. You want your advocate to be working for you, not the County.
Had to get an Attorney for a California Sate issue. Glad I picked one from asking questions. A team worked with me. I did my research on my case. Went to court 13 times before case was thrown out because of State was not being ready. Was charged with 2 felonies and 2 misdemeanor's. Glad that's over. Do your own research on your case to support it, and keep in touch with any new evidence to support it!
How much did you pay upfront
Public defender isn't going to fight for you as a paid attorney will. The public defender is going to help the prosecutor
Facts
Best understanding of court appointed attorney's ever. God bless you brother
If you can afford it, get a lawyer. Public Defenders don't defend ANYBODY. It's the Office of Public Defense here in WA State, and for each step of the process you get a DIFFERENT lawyer, so your "speedy trial" can last for months - even years. I would represent myself before I would settle for a public defender that A., doesn't know me, B. doesn't care, and C. is not a trained criminal defense lawyer. I personally told a family member to fire their "public defender" after being jerked around for 1-1/2 years and paid for an attorney for him. Settled in 1 week, limited penalty. One of the public defenders he got stuck with didn't even know criminal law or what a speedy trial was! He was into wills and probates and was drafted to defend defendants in a criminal trial. Public defenders only do paperwork. Nothing more.
Hmmm....isn't supposed to be a choice between court-appointed or private attorneys. You are only eligible to receive a court appointed attorney if you cannot afford a private attorney. They generally do a financial check of some sort to determine eligibility. If you don't have the money--your decision is made. If you do have the money--your decision is made. The last thing you need to do after being charged with a crime is commit one by falsifying your finances to the court.
Thanks for honest professionalism
If financially able I'd probably start with a public defender to test the waters then fire and hire a private attorney
I was sitting in courtroom during a break. Amazingly, the court personnel showed their true colors with me sitting there writing it all down. Most of the shenanigans were on the part of the public defenders who made it crystal clear that they believed ALL of their clients were guilty. They made fun of their speech patterns and their professions of innocence and they even discussed a minimum court cost that SHOULD be paid by the DEFENDANT. Conclusion: They believe all defendants are guilty. How can they profess to be a lawyer for the defendant then?
So much for equal protection under the law.....what a load of crap
Doesn't matter. The state and court can simply not follow the law in order to win. And yes, the state and court are on the same side.
Yup, at the end of the day, they work for the same employer.
Now this is honest lawyer 💪😎🎸
In Houston last year an court appointed attorney made a $1 million. Article was in the Houston Chronicle
The lawyer never clearly define attorney or lawyers sometimes they called counsel in the U.S., they're collectively called everything from "attorney" to "lawyer" to "counselor."
Are these terms truly equivalent, or has the identity of one been mistaken for another What exactly is a "Licensed BAR Attorney
In order to discern the difference, and where we stand within the current court system, it’s necessary to examine the British origins of our U.S. courts and the terminology that has been established from the beginning. It's important to understand the proper lawful definitions for the various titles we now give these court related occupations.
The legal profession in the U.S. is directly derived from the British system. Even the word "bar" is of British origin:
BAR. A particular portion of a court room. Named from the space enclosed by two bars or rails: one of which separated the judge's bench from the rest of the room; the other shut off both the bench and the area for lawyers engaged in trials from the space allotted to suitors, witnesses, and others. Such persons as appeared as speakers (advocates, or counsel) before the court, were said to be "called to the bar", that is, privileged so to appear, speak and otherwise serve in the presence of the judges as "barristers." The corresponding phrase in the United States is "admitted to the bar". - A Dictionary of Law (1893).
From the definition of ‘bar,’ the title and occupation of a "barrister" is derived:
BARRISTER, English law.
1.A counselor admitted to plead at the bar.
2. Ouster barrister, is one who pleads ouster or without the bar.
3. Inner barrister, a sergeant or king's counsel who pleads within the bar.
4. Vacation barrister, a counselor newly called to the bar, who is to attend for several long vacations the exercise of the house.
5. Barristers are called apprentices, apprentitii ad legem, being looked upon as learners, and not qualified until they obtain the degree of sergeant. Edmund Plowden, the author of the Commentaries, a volume of elaborate reports in the reigns of Edward VI., Mary, Philip and Mary, and Elizabeth, describes himself as an apprentice of the common law. - A Law Dictionary by John Bouvier (Revised Sixth Edition, 1856).
BARRISTER, n. [from bar.] A counselor, learned in the laws, qualified and admitted to please at the bar, and to take upon him the defense of clients; answering to the advocate or licentiate of other countries. Anciently, barristers were called, in England, apprentices of the law. Outer barristers are pleaders without the bar, to distinguish the from inner barristers, benchers or readers, who have been sometime admitted to please within the bar, as the
king's counsel are. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
Overall, a barrister is one who has the privilege to plead at the courtroom bar separating the judicial from the non-judicial spectators. Currently, in U.S. courts, the inner bar between the bench (judge) and the outer bar no longer exists, and the outer bar separates the attorneys (not lawyers) from the spectator's gallery. This will be explained more as you read further. As with the word ‘bar,’ each commonly used word describing the various court officers is derived directly from root words:
1). From the word "solicit" is derived the name and occupation of a ‘solicitor’; one who solicits or petitions an action in a court.
SOLICIT, v.t. [Latin solicito]
1. To ask with some degree of earnestness; to make petition to; to apply to for obtaining something. This word implies earnestness in seeking ...
2. To ask for with some degree of earnestness; to seek by petition; as, to solicit an office; to solicit a favor. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
2). From the word "attorn" is derived the name and occupation of an ‘attorney;’ one who transfers or assigns property, rights, title and allegiance to the owner of the land.
ATTORN / v. Me. [Origin French. atorner, aturner assign, appoint, f. a-torner turn v.]
1. v.t. Turn; change, transform; deck out.
2. v.t Turn over (goods, service, allegiance, etc.) to another; transfer, assign.
3. v.i. Transfer one’s tenancy, or (arch.) homage or allegiance, to another; formally acknowledge such transfer. attorn tenant (to) Law formally transfer one’s tenancy (to), make legal acknowledgement of tenancy ( to a new landlord). - Oxford English Dictionary 1999.
ATTORN, v.i. [Latin ad and torno.] In the feudal law, to turn, or transfer homage and service from one lord to another. This is the act of feudatories, vassels or tenants, upon the alienation of the estate. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
ATTORNMENT, n. The act of a feudatory, vassal or tenant, by which he consents, upon the alienation of an estate, to receive a new lord or superior, and transfers to him his homage and service. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
ATTORNMENT n. the transference of bailor status, tenancy, or (arch.) allegiance, service, etc., to another; formal acknowledgement of such transfer: lme. - Oxford English Dictionary 1999.
3). From the word advocate comes the meaning of the occupation by the same name; one who pleads or defends by argument in a court.
ADVOCATE, v.t. [Latin advocatus, from advoco, to call for, to plead for; of ad and voco, to call. See Vocal.]
To plead in favor of; to defend by argument, before a tribunal; to support or vindicate. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
4). From the word "counsel" is derived the name and occupation of a ‘counselor’ or ‘lawyer’; one who is learned in the law to give advice in a court of law;
COUNSEL, v.t. [Latin. to consult; to ask, to assail.] 1. To give advice or deliberate opinion to another for the government of his conduct; to advise. - Webster's 1828 Dictionary.
LAWYER. A counselor; one learned in the law. - A Law Dictionary by John Bouvier (Revised Sixth Edition, 1856).
Although modern usage tends to group all these descriptive occupational words as the same, the fact is that they have different and distinctive meanings when used within the context of court activities:
Solicitor - one who petitions (initiates) for another in a court
Counselor - one who advises another concerning a court matter
Lawyer - [see counselor] learned in the law to advise in a court
Barrister - one who is privileged to plead at the bar
Advocate - one who pleads within the bar for a defendant
Attorney - one who transfers or assigns, within the bar, another's rights & property acting on behalf of the ruling crown (government)
It's very clear that an attorney is not a lawyer. The lawyer is a learned counselor who advises. The ruling government appoints an attorney as one who transfers a tenant's rights, allegiance, and title to the land owner (government).
One difference is that a PD would be too busy to produce a video explaining that they are better and more talented than private attorneys!
I think the major difference is that PDs are going to more overworked than a private attorney (and the material here about TX judges and budgets is scary). However, for many it's not a real choice, they simply cannot afford a private attorney.
Public defenders are overwhelmed with work. Arrested people end up sitting in jail waiting and waiting and waiting.
Hiring an attorney can get you through the process faster. And you may not be in jail at all. You may not have to pay for bail/ bond depending on the charges.
Especially beware if the court in that jurisdiction is corrupt. The public defender of that court doesnt have your best interest at heart. I lived in a town where the court's priority was frivolous traffic tickets and whatever charges they could conjure up from their imagination for the maximum amount of revenue.
You ever had both you wouldn't ask that question
Most states make you pay for your attorney. The biggest thing is to lawyer up and shut up from the start. If you talk you could pay 50K for an attorney and go sailing. If you shut up a public defender could get you off. Now one big fact. The difference between a good attorney and a piss poor attorney is the questions they have the balls to ask and not worry about public opinion. I'll argue that fact any day. I know a lawyer who can care less what the judge thinks of him he speaks his mine. Sometimes you have to do that. Matt Tucker did a piss poor job defending Hannah Payne.. I would have been in that judges face. He had so many chances to request an approach and never did.
"Those attorneys who do only court-appointed work are less talented". Okayyyy. Where? In Texas? I promise you, there are attorneys in NYC who do only court-appointed work who will mop the floor with ANYBODY. I mean ANYBODY.
Are there any in CA? Where are they? I have PD and I’m feeling like he was given to me to fall. I know it sounds crazy but are there attorneys who are attorney just to lose their cases? Like they try to blow it for me? Because my case is literally a slam dunk win for me but I’m being urged to take a plea deal when I did nothing wrong. I’ve provided him caselaw and everything that I can think of to equip him to defend me and it seems like he’s doing nothing with it. If I hear “but this doesn’t apply to you in this case or your constitutional rights don’t apply here. “Well they did for this other schmuck on his case and his rights applied just like I understand them to be. I hate feeling like I’m shown a red square and being told it’s blue”
Thank for the information :3
if a public defender DEFENDS excessively high bonds, RUN, Forrest, RUN !!!
Some actual honesty
No, it does not matter. They will both lie to you. The only difference is the public defender will do it for free.
In my experience, a huge difference. I think that it is ultimately cheaper to pay for an attorney.
Be a fool Pro Se all day! Take the Sovereign Citizen defense! That’s one step better than a Public Defender in most cases. Internet advice is always best.
What about Victims or "We The People" being represented by a State Attorney in a criminal matter? I believe, in criminal cases, the Victims or We The People does not have a Constitutional rights option to be represented by a private attorney. This being said, are State's Attorneys just as incompetent as Public Defenders? And can criminal Victims or We The People raise the issue ineffective assistance of counsel, as well?
Justice system in American. What a law the government and freedom being sale to the world.
Great
can public defender help in car accident damages?
So many people forget that they still have a right to choose their lawyer when they have a court appointed lawyer if they will do it for the pay
What are some circumstances that many defense lawyers will agree for Pro-bono for their client?
My public defender was great. Which is probably an exception. My case was dropped.
Yes it matters. You get what you pay for.
Why not discuss letter Rogatory
If your life or a good chunk of it is on the line you are gonna want a paid trial lawyer...
A former lawyer advised mental health counseling it’s not free only for Medicaid clients Miranda rights clients qualify for Medicaid I didn’t I never went to counselling
Yes it matters but if you can not afford it then you are stuck with what you get.
Public pretender. Private extortionist
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Another example of classism
At $350 /hr how many attorney interviews can someone afford to pay before hiring one
There are a lot of lawyers in some places that don't have full case loads (i.e., they're not as busy as they want). They're usually happy to do a brief interview at no charge. Generally, the bigger a city/town, the more "excess" lawyers there. Why do you think lawyers agree to be public defenders? It's a very unpleasant job; some do it from idealism, but how long can that last? Many do it from the appeal of not having to scrap for clients.
Trumps for decades, proof we have the best legal system money can buy. In prison, public defenders are referred to as "public pretenders."
Its the peoples right to be free from slavery: A person living their Life according to someone else's, wishes, command, demand!!.
IMPORTANT PUBLIC NOTICE
Both private attorneys and regular are illegal under the, UNITED STATES of AMERICA Constitution.
Privateering is illegal!!
Look up below law code to read factual worded law??
Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1
Titles of nobility: lawyers, Judges, cops, police, paralegals, attorneys.
Privateering: Private attorneys, private lawyers, private paralegals, private business, Corporations, agencies, CHiLD PROTECTION SERVICES and so forth!!.
I so want to go down this rabbit hole, but I won’t.
So, knowing this what can the defendant do about it? When we know that if they have a court appointed attorney its likely that cant afford one. The concern is knowing that they will make the lowest income representing a client ,they aren't going to make much of an effort only what they will get paid for.
I appreciate your video lots of possible problems no real or near impossible solutions for the Poor man and those who know very little about Law.
The defendant can make the job easier for the court appointed lawyer. You will know if you're guilty or not, so set your expectations accordingly. Don't talk to the police, etc.