It isn't preventing it though. It is going to happen. Ireland is responding in an understandable way but the EU is using Ireland and the troubles as a weapon. If the EU really cared about Ireland then it would not be ruling out a really good trade deal with the UK that solves all these problems..
Jericho You are missing the point. If it’s gonna hurt anyone it will be in Ireland. If the U.K. crashes out Ireland gets a hard border. I’m impressed you have an 800 year memory. Shame about your comprehension skills.
If you you think ireland the uk or the eu wont be affected by brexit then you are all misguided though i do think the uk will be hit the worst. The US china and russia are the ones who will benefit from brexit. The old divide and conquer comes to mind here.
an update in 2021....Ireland up until this year, the UK's most profitable European customer, now has a balance of trade surplus...£2bn in lost EU trade, a border in the Irish Sea.....welcome to brexit, sir......
Britian has never understood Ireland, the border was drawn up by looking at a map, without knowing how it would affect people on both sides. There will never be peace in Ireland for as long as the unionists claim that their rights are more significant than the nationalists.
Especially since the whole Northern Ireland voted to remain, and the percentage of people in Ireland supporting the EU is at about 70-80% which is one of the highest values in the EU. If there is a hard Brexit, the UK has to decide wheater the hard boarder is in between Northrn ireland and teh Rep. of Ireland OR in between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Noth would violate the Good Friday agreement and the latter would violate the alliance between the Torys and the DUP in Westminster.
Matthew McNerlin it sure has speed up the border poll but like brexit and trump you can't really know who is gonna win till the votes have been counted but as far as the time saves by brexit for a border poll honestly 5-30 years saved
You clearly havnt looked at the last MPs elected the DUP now have more MPs than ever before in history and out number the rest. With the treatment dished out regarding Northern Ireland by the EU we now have even less wishes to leave the UK. So dream on regarding your out dated United Ireland. Republicans divided this island when they toke the Irish Republic out of the Uk now learn to live with your flawed move.
ernest rogen ''With the treatment dished out regarding Northern Ireland by the EU we now have even less wishes to leave the UK.'' You mean looking out for you and trying to make sure youre not just a neglected region of the UK in a post brexit wasteland. Cop on, NI is one of the poorest parts of Northern Europe, your loyalty is misguided.
It's surely ridiculous for people who really wanted Brexit - all 10 of them, plus Cambridge Anakytica's customers - to expect the Irish either to give a damn what they desire, or to assist with their neurotic, nationalistic self-destruction. But it's equally unsurprising given how self-interested their position is. Yes I voted "remain". Now I'm leaving soon as I can; there's no way I'm enduring the consequences of others' stupidity any more than I have to
I seriously hope the british establishment come to their senses , but somehow i think they are too far down the rabbit hole to reverse now it would cause civil unrest. Brexit has been a mess from the day the votes were counted. Lets be honest very few people give a fuck about northern ireland in england and would soon get rid if they could , the sad thing is their stuck with the uk until the northern irish say otherwise. The chance of the uk breaking up will depend on how successful brexit is which is anyones guess , but if you look at who is to take charge of making brexit a success im not very confident to be honest. Which of these politicians would you like to take charge because we know may and corbyn are inept to say the least. So we have the following candidates boris jrm gove fox abbott mcdonnell thornberry and i thought we had it bad in ireland. One thing i do know is no one else knows for sure what will happen after brexit and if they tell you they do they are lieing. To the normal working class and lower class of these two islands brace yourselves and get ready as things might get rough for us , hopefully not we wait and see.
So what becomes of the nonsense of voting for Brexit in order 'to get control of the UK border'? The fact is that after this madness there will be even less control over the UK border than there was before.
Who exactly is going to make them, where were you during The Troubles? if you're so committed how about you take some responsibility yourself instead of shouting words.
@Lug Lamhfhada irish out of britain seriously from the days of the oneals you fuckers are everywhere here, irish out of britain except the good looking woman.
this is unresolvable, different regulatory system and/or different tariff system must mean a border, it is international law and interest of every country. you cannot be just in custom union without full regulatory alignment or you cannot apply this only for trucks crossing on the border on roads. cannot work.
Northern Ireland voted 56% to remain in the EU. Overall, the UK voted a little less than 52% to leave. If 52% constitutes a mandate then so does 56%. Britain should exit Northern Ireland.
I just want the people of Northern Ireland to have peace.I do not give a shit how this should happen. They are Christian and are good people. regardless of which ever denomination they belong to. I am from the Republic of Ireland but I can respect my brothers from Northern >Ireland. And I do just that. They are good Irish people.
But, 'Soft Brexit' was not on the ballot paper - it just said "leave the European Union" and everyone knew that meant leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, as remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union would be remaining in the European Union and that was the other distinct option.
Long before the eu there was a common travel area that was agreed between Ireland and the UK. There wasn't a hard border and there doesn't need to be one when we leave. Whose going to build it? I'll wait.
All traffic was subject to inspection with customs posts across the area. This is not the same system which exists right now that ended the troubles in NI. It is most likely that Britain will build it out of necessity.
So Scotland has a second referendum and gains it's independence from the UK. Then agrees a new union with the Republic of Ireland, to form the Republic of Scotland and Ireland. Now Unionist can feel at home as Ulster Scots, and Republicans can feel at home too. And the problem of Northern Ireland is solved forever. Nobel Peace Prizes for everyone, with a celebratory dinner of haggis and potatoes.
It's the same bit of land. I'm fairly confident if Terrorirsts and drug lords won't go to Ireland to get to the UK and if they do just keep an eye on it.
They don't need to be done at the border and there are trusted trader schemes we have with the rest of the world under WTO. Its a solvable problem with good will on both sides
@@ElectricInevitability Nonsense. Their are border checks between Sweden and Norway. If they cant do it without UK certainly cannot do that. Its fantasy.
The Irish backstop is (NOT) a (PROBLEM) for Britain , the EU will FORCE (Dublin) as an EU member to (enforce the border) with Northern Ireland ... The check points etc will be on the Irish side not in ( Northern Ireland ) it will be with (THEM) to deal with any (check points) or trouble it may cause.
The Irish voted no to the Lisbon Treaty and the EU rejected it under Amendment 32. They renegotiated it with guarantees that military neutrality and abortion were central taboos to Irish life. With this agreed the people of Ireland voted yes.In the short time since that period in Irish life they have rapid reaction military units and armed police on their streets and abortion is now on demand. Is it not clear that the Irish need to have a new referendum given these failings and "backstops" to abolish the Treaty of Lisbon?
There were guarantees that it would keep control over military neutrality , corporation taxes, social issues such as abortion but not specifically that (the abortion guarantee was not that abortion would be kept but merely that only Ireland could decide on the issue), workers rights and it also got to keep it's full time seat in the EU commission (big win). Ireland has a rapid reaction military unit but is only involved with UN missions. It is not available for anything other than that. Ireland has a long history of involvement in UN deployments predating Lisbon. As for armed police on the streets, we had that before the treaty but that's nothing got to do with Lisbon treaty anyway as that is a police force not an army. There are very few armed police and they are part of the ERU (emergency response unit). You will almost never see an armed police officer on the street. Abortion has now been allowed for by a recent referendum (it's not in law yet so it will be next year before any abortions will actually happen) but in any case the fact is that it was decided by the people of Ireland basically proves the point i.e. the guarantees that were sought have just been played out in one instance.
I think the problems of Brexit have been squarely pointed at the UK. "Its your fault Brits". Not enough has been mentioned about the old relationship we used to have with Europe, when it was the EEC. I think the complications occured when the powers that be decided to up the anti on what was a nice workable free trade zone, and try to create a Federal Superstate, without asking the peoples of Europe if that was what they wanted. Was it the Lisbon Treaty that initiated this? If so just scrap it and return to the good old EEC, and we will be a long way to resolving issues that at the start, were initiated by Brussels, not the people of Britain ( as opposed to the govt of Britain, who have been complicit in the whole affair)
2000 crossing on the irish border no way it can be man'd or monitored. It was saturated with soldiers during the troubles. The British could police all of it then i doubt it can be done now even with drones.
Here's Fedex...a company that knows a bit about international trade, on transhipping goods from or to Ireland thru the UK, even in a No Deal situation. Goods moved by road from Europe to Ireland are routed through the UK. Post-Brexit in a No Deal scenario, the UK will sign up to the Common Transit Convention (CTC). This will cover goods transiting through the UK to/from EU countries, so there will be no change to current process. For air shipments, the current system Remain on Board (ROB) will be used, so there will be no change to current process. There is no requirement for you to complete or do anything different in respect of transhipping goods. So this BBC report is more fear mongering.
We,i in UK we do not want a solid border with the Ireland as remember the Irish are the back born of UK..ALL WE NEED TO DO IS TO CHECK OUR HOUSE AS THERE ARE ALSO MANY IRISISH AS NEIGHBOURS IN UK. ALSO ARE FRIEND
The Uk offered to keep the Pre EEC /EU rules which allow Irish Nationals to live and work in the UK. The effect of that would have been no passport checks for Irish nationals crossing the Border. A few designated check points only needed for non uk Irish nationals. Rejected by the EU. Uk had the answer the EU rejected it making it an EU problem not ours. They the EU seem to think they have some right over Northern Ireland and its people THEY the EU do not. YOUR demands over us are mad and they are the most likely thing to drive this country back to war. Shame on the EU risking peace and lives here for their our ends. The EU dont care about us if they did they would not be making mad demands which risk driving this country back to war.
I live in Sweden, we have very long border with Norway not being in the European union. Apart from customs office sometimes panicing it is wide open and neither us Swedes or the Norweigans minds much We trust each other...
WTO will require monitoring of goods and traffic. Republic will remain with EU customs and tariffs. UK wants its own so no alternative to a hard border. Direct links to Europe is Ireland's way forward and the UK will lose a lot of money as it won't be a landbridge to Europe
Ahh yes the classic 'business' mindset investing in something that might turn out to be completely pointless and unusable... the whole thing is pure mad idiocy!
The huge stakes at play for Ireland were underlined by the Central Bank, which warned this week that a no-deal Brexit would cost Ireland 4 per cent of GDP in the first year - an €8 billion economic hit including huge disruption. The speed at which it said a no-deal Brexit would hit was particularly notable and it is the first time an Irish official body has done this. Maybe Leo Varadkar should offer concessions like a time limited Irish backstop or removing it completely from the withdrawal agreement and stop peace in Ireland being used as a pawn in EU negotiations!
The border "issue" is dreamt up by remainers to undermine Brexit. Norway (non EU) and Sweden doesn't have a harder border. Hungary and Romania (both EU) has a hard border.
Get real- what will the EU make Ireland do if Britain refuses to build a border?? Build some crazy fortified border themselves / force Ireland to do it? Don’t think so. The EU can just piss off in my opinion, what can they do?
But I thought Brexit was all about taking back control. How do you suppose to police the border from a customs perspective if Britain is outside the customs union? What about all those immigrants that get into Britain via a back door through ROI? It's unlikely anyone in NI will permit immigration control travelling from Belfast to London or wherever else in Britain now will they.
Dublin gnp grew by 35% 2020. But ye will pay the £13 billion N.I. fund for years. Scotland will become a Norway. Richer they have more oil. Wales we love you and want to see you prosper. England nice decent people. It's time for you to fully acknowledge your brutal genocide in Ireland.
The people of Northern Ireland should be offered one more fainal vote with only two options: 1. A fully united Ireland under the EU only or 2. Northern Ireland remains as part of Britain separate from Europe and a hard boarder is implemented. If the North Irish people honestly vote for option 1 then it's all hands off for Britain. Paying in Euros for most of the stores in the county and then suddenly having to pay in British Pounds for the fuel station just up the street is beyond crazy!
It is mental to put up cameras on a border in "nowhere". I am 100% sure that camera smashing will become the new sport after "glassing". If you dont know what glassing is, feel free to look it up. By the current "mood" it would not hold up for a week.
So long as the six counties remain part of the Uk Brexit can't happen.World trade rules say there must be a border.That is why the Dup wanted Brexit.Ditch the six counties, then Uk should join Nafta.Save ten billion pounds 💷 a year.
I am from Derry. I am Northern Irish. Not Irish. Not British. My Country. Stop trying to give it away to other Countries and people. If we decide we no longer want to be associated with the UK, will we decide here what we shall do. I prefer that we go it alone.
NI has a problem if NI does not leave the UK before the Brexit then NI have to pay the Brexit price for the next 500 years - yes they have to pay even if they leave the UK later after the Brexit. Why does Boris not mention these facts?
The UK and Ireland should simply tell the EU they are keeping things as is for the sake of Peace. If the EU have an issue with it, Eire and UK should take them to the International Criminal Court and or the UN to debate that Peace comes before Trade, that the reason some countries Trade is to keep the peace i.e Germany and France. Some countries contemplating leaving the EU ( Poland, Netherlands...) would surely back the plan, the USA definitely...Do nothing, nothing at all. It would be a good example to the world of how peace treaty's should be honored above everything else.
I think a referendum on Northern Ireland as a autonomous province of Ireland would work several other factors for reconciliation like the dissolution of the new IRA would be important to ensure the loyalists that they are safe. At the same time if Northern Ireland could remain In the EU whilst in the UK could work but then again Scotland would probably want similar concessions as they voted as a majority to stay too.
the golf players are not getting it. one said that Ireland will not accept a hard border. if the UK doesnt stay in the customs union, then Ireland will have to have a customs border, whether you like it or not. someone will have to check the goods and the people crossing. the other, the woman, said that people voted and you cannot change it. of course you can. May can legally reverse the A50. yes, you voted to leave, but it doesnt mean that the UK HAS TO leave
Is it really that slower to travel by see, more so cheaper...their entire goods must go through the Euro-tunnel, or they have to load and unload ships two times.
I imagine the shipping company might have goods to deliver to the UK, then find goods in the UK bound to the EU, to fill up the empty space and then keep going to the EU. And pretty much doing the same thing the other way around.
Tony Smith let's have a full on war Mate. I want to remind you arseholes that sing "No surrender to the IRA" that you did already twice. More British arrogance. I'm "all in" as your troops say due to a North London Jew who joined Now 102.2 radio in Edmonton 2011 who ran a unique promotion. A potato to a sick kids hospital for a chance to win U2 tickets. U2 boycotted Alberta. I will personally go to a full on war with ye due to your Canadian Jew racist friends like Ezra Levant who influenced Brexit by 8%. And Disreali his actions cut the deepest. Famine not Genocide so fancy taking on 25 European countries? The world hates you Britain it's time to let that sink in.
The solution is for a hard border to be constructed, and Northern Ireland being declared an economic zone with a corporate tax rate of 7%. The Global Corporations using Ireland as a tax haven can simply move a few miles away to Northern Ireland creating the least fuss, before the EU impose their planned harmonious tax rate across Europe in an effort to bring the business to Germany and France.
What was ever wrong with a free trade EEC type deal? Why did the EU even have to come into being? The politics of creeping political expansionism of the EU has poisoned the well - should have just stayed as a trade pact.
Given Northern Ireland voted to remain, maybe the UK should sell that province to Ireland? Would solve the issue of the land border quite neatly and would also raise a lot of money for spending on... whatever needs spending on after leaving the EU. I really have no idea. I'm not even from the same hemisphere.
@@VincentRE79 that's my main issue with the EU ever since its inception all it has been is increased centralisation of power to Brussels. There's now even sincere talk of a possible common European army
@Douglas Ballantine Yes I agree but the average Remainer thinks this is all rubbish. I do not understand why so many voted to remain with an organisation that has not really shown it's true intentions yet.
That border crossing is called Ballabridge. It's near County Monaghan in the Republic. I'm from Monaghan and I watch Newsnight. I can't believe Evan Davis was at Ballabridge! Lol
Yugoslav Nationalist well the Monaghan accent is more of a Mid Ulster accent. It's not like either Dublin or Belfast accent. But I will often get confused with people from from Derry or Donegal. Are you living in Ireland. Where are you from?
It's only a problem created by the EU for their own selfish reasons. If the south doesn't want a hard border and the north don't want a hard border and Brits have said the same, the interference can only be coming from the EU. There again, we have experienced the EU and their arrogant, hateful demeanor because they thought they could do the same as they did in the Irish and French vote and didn't succeed. Now their sole intention is to ensure the UK do not succeed in any which way or at least try to. What the UK should do is cease all negotiations and walk. Then every problem they have caused will belong to the EU and very possibly will their downfall.
''We can Brexit and go back to EFTA as we were from 1960 to 1972.'' said a Brexiteer :)) I said : ''Why stop to 1960 and why not regress till 2500 BC Stonehenge ?:) Stonehenge was a good model ! :D''
If there is to be ever a United Ireland it will be on terms completely acceptable to a majority of Unionists as well as everyone else. "Ulster Scots" will be involved in the governing of Ireland in a way never possible with London in charge. I can tell you with certainty: the people in the ROI will NEVER vote for a union where you will feel a 2nd class citizen. We have lost tolerance for 2nd class whether it was racist, sectarian, one party state NI or RCC dominated Southern Ireland. Ulster Scots will do brilliant in an United Ireland. Remember Wolf Tone! Remember, Unionists, if you do manage a union, you will have Britain on your side, the EU on your side, the world on your side. As for the subvention from London, it's a pittance. London (you are British citizens), Dublin, Brussels will have no problem.
We cannot let Irish best interests take precedence over UK best interests, get Brexit done & in 6 months we will be wondering what all the fuss was about. Forget about the Backtrap, its a dead parrot.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but as Britain is going to be outside the EU But still wishing to comply with a pre existing internationally recognised agreement drawn up between two sovereign nations Isn't it down to remaining EU states to create the means of protecting their borders not just the UK? With a solution which best serves the interests of the North and Republic of Ireland Not the political whims of those who have shown little interest in the region until now.
The notion that the EU has to approve of the UK's border arrangements is silly. If the PM weren't a Remainer we woulndt have this problem. Her answer would be "We arent putting up a hard border, if you guys want to on your side that's your business, but we wont and thats it." Then let the EU decide to put up a hard border if they want to, which they wouldnt do. problem solved. But shes a Remainer, so this is how Brexit gets stopped.
Ireland will not be allowed to stay in the EU if they don't implement customs control as it would completely undermine the single market. Anyone could move merchandise into the EU without tariffs by exporting to the UK, moving to Ireland and distributing from there. Moreover it would be against WTO rules not to control your borders and would thus jeopardise the membership of the UK Ireland and the EU as a whole.
First, its a quite a thing the EU has suddenly come round to the idea that borders matter. Borders, and controlling ones' borders, was a notion for only racists and nationalists about three minutes ago. But ok, now borders must be enforced. If that is the case, then Ireland has a decision to make about their border, one that the UK cannot make for them. If they choose a hard border that would be a terrible shame and a violation of the Good Friday agreement, but whatever. They have a choice to make.
"...approve of the *UK's* border..." You're possibly misunderstanding, unless you're consciously misrepresenting the facts?: The EU cares about *Ireland's* border with the UK, which is sort of in the member state's interests, whatever we think. We kind of cared about Turkey's borders when in the EU, after all.
I hear this from British posters all the time. How will you control the flow of goods and people in and out of your country via Ireland with no border checks etc? I thought one of the reasons for Brexit was to 'take back sovereignty' and more closely monitor who's coming into the UK?
There’s no holdups into Norway a Switzerland so why need one here, the backstop was agreed by remainer May and proposed by the EU as warning to us, so Boris should stand his ground and tell the EU it’s their problem you deal with it .
J B Lol brexit hasn t even appened yet and leavers are already calling the eu a bully because things aren t going as they have planned... Leavers will just blame the eu when brexit will be a complete shit show
The UK can without Nothern Ireland or Scottland or Gibraltar? But the UK can't without England? But can the Irish or Scottish people take back control of own country? I have doubts - they are weak, very weak and always slaves!
It's not the Irish border, it's the British border in Ireland.
The English really shot themselves in the foot on this one... United Ireland and an independent Scotland is coming.
hope so less hand outs for us send them as nether bring anything to the table
@scotchprofessor yes you have education but it's terrible under the SNP. you dream of days of old
doesnt really shoot us in the foot it makes thing so much simpler
Yes
@@froggreen2067 nope
It's delightfully ironic that Ireland is preventing britain from getting home rule. Karma!
It isn't preventing it though. It is going to happen. Ireland is responding in an understandable way but the EU is using Ireland and the troubles as a weapon. If the EU really cared about Ireland then it would not be ruling out a really good trade deal with the UK that solves all these problems..
Lol.
Jericho You are missing the point. If it’s gonna hurt anyone it will be in Ireland. If the U.K. crashes out Ireland gets a hard border. I’m impressed you have an 800 year memory. Shame about your comprehension skills.
The people who will be hurt most by your stupid Brexit are the British. That's obvious to everyone.
If you you think ireland the uk or the eu wont be affected by brexit then you are all misguided though i do think the uk will be hit the worst. The US china and russia are the ones who will benefit from brexit. The old divide and conquer comes to mind here.
Simple answer add Northern Ireland make it again one whole country
Why dont we just take ireland and add it to the UK. Wouldnt be much they could do about it
@@tonysmith5812 Ireland loves the EU
Tony Smith the days of Britain taking over other countries is long gone pal😉
@@tonysmith5812 ha you fuckwit , thats like taking France totally independent country what are you going to do invade
@@tonysmith5812 It is very sad to see the particularily low level of common sense and knowledge from residents of UK.
Give Ireland back to the Irish, don’t make us have to take it back 🇨🇮🇨🇮
an update in 2021....Ireland up until this year, the UK's most profitable European customer, now has a balance of trade surplus...£2bn in lost EU trade, a border in the Irish Sea.....welcome to brexit, sir......
Britian has never understood Ireland, the border was drawn up by looking at a map, without knowing how it would affect people on both sides. There will never be peace in Ireland for as long as the unionists claim that their rights are more significant than the nationalists.
A United Ireland Is Coming Fast... LIKE It Or Not But We Have Waited Long Enough🇮🇪
I do hope that succeeds.
Rule Britannia!
Probably not
No it wont.
It would be good for Ireland to be more economically independent of Britain.
Especially since the whole Northern Ireland voted to remain, and the percentage of people in Ireland supporting the EU is at about 70-80% which is one of the highest values in the EU.
If there is a hard Brexit, the UK has to decide wheater the hard boarder is in between Northrn ireland and teh Rep. of Ireland OR in between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Noth would violate the Good Friday agreement and the latter would violate the alliance between the Torys and the DUP in Westminster.
It's surely a British border on Ireland , Ireland's border is the sea
United Ireland is coming :) Haha Ulster Scot. Dying breed, Unionism is dying a slow death :)
Matthew McNerlin it sure has speed up the border poll but like brexit and trump you can't really know who is gonna win till the votes have been counted but as far as the time saves by brexit for a border poll honestly 5-30 years saved
You clearly havnt looked at the last MPs elected the DUP now have more MPs than ever before in history and out number the rest. With the treatment dished out regarding Northern Ireland by the EU we now have even less wishes to leave the UK. So dream on regarding your out dated United Ireland. Republicans divided this island when they toke the Irish Republic out of the Uk now learn to live with your flawed move.
ernest rogen
''With the treatment dished out regarding Northern Ireland by the EU we now have even less wishes to leave the UK.''
You mean looking out for you and trying to make sure youre not just a neglected region of the UK in a post brexit wasteland.
Cop on, NI is one of the poorest parts of Northern Europe, your loyalty is misguided.
tubemark1
The UK doesn't do nationalism, unless it British-English nationalism.
Its also Anti-UK, unless you are English so whats your point?
The North Channel and the Irish Sea are the true border. 26+6=1
i cant wait for the loyalists to kick off again
It's surely ridiculous for people who really wanted Brexit - all 10 of them, plus Cambridge Anakytica's customers - to expect the Irish either to give a damn what they desire, or to assist with their neurotic, nationalistic self-destruction. But it's equally unsurprising given how self-interested their position is.
Yes I voted "remain".
Now I'm leaving soon as I can; there's no way I'm enduring the consequences of others' stupidity any more than I have to
I could tell you voted remain. You managed to write a lot of words without a single grammatical or spelling mistake!
I seriously hope the british establishment come to their senses , but somehow i think they are too far down the rabbit hole to reverse now it would cause civil unrest. Brexit has been a mess from the day the votes were counted. Lets be honest very few people give a fuck about northern ireland in england and would soon get rid if they could , the sad thing is their stuck with the uk until the northern irish say otherwise. The chance of the uk breaking up will depend on how successful brexit is which is anyones guess , but if you look at who is to take charge of making brexit a success im not very confident to be honest. Which of these politicians would you like to take charge because we know may and corbyn are inept to say the least. So we have the following candidates boris jrm gove fox abbott mcdonnell thornberry and i thought we had it bad in ireland. One thing i do know is no one else knows for sure what will happen after brexit and if they tell you they do they are lieing. To the normal working class and lower class of these two islands brace yourselves and get ready as things might get rough for us , hopefully not we wait and see.
So what becomes of the nonsense of voting for Brexit in order 'to get control of the UK border'? The fact is that after this madness there will be even less control over the UK border than there was before.
Snobbishness that someone can write English correctly?
Geroff Milan well fuckoff then good riddance to bad rubbish
The UK needs to commit to a withdrawal timetable, after 800 years of interference in Ireland it's time for the Brits to get out!
Who exactly is going to make them, where were you during The Troubles? if you're so committed how about you take some responsibility yourself instead of shouting words.
Lug Lamfhada
Northern Ireland will still be a separate entity, and the UK will still have a role in NI so not much would change.
@Lug Lamhfhada irish out of britain seriously from the days of the oneals you fuckers are everywhere here, irish out of britain except the good looking woman.
Yes but the agreement was THE PROTOCOL so this is what was agreed let's hope the UK backs off it has no right to change what as been agreed?
Hands up Brexiteers which one of your kids you will send to man the border when the IRA start up again?
Ireland’s border is the Sea surrounding it. The foul remnant of partition, is a vile British border.
this is unresolvable, different regulatory system and/or different tariff system must mean a border, it is international law and interest of every country. you cannot be just in custom union without full regulatory alignment or you cannot apply this only for trucks crossing on the border on roads. cannot work.
Northern Ireland voted 56% to remain in the EU. Overall, the UK voted a little less than 52% to leave. If 52% constitutes a mandate then so does 56%. Britain should exit Northern Ireland.
Hes an ulster scot who shows his Irish passport when he goes on holiday.
Old chaps voting on things that will only impact their grandchildren.
Why not just give N Ireland back and the problems are solved .
Ha Catholic or Protestant
YES 💯%✔️ UNITED IRELAND🇮🇪🇮🇪
I just want the people of Northern Ireland to have peace.I do not give a shit how this should happen. They are Christian and are good people. regardless of which ever denomination they belong to. I am from the Republic of Ireland but I can respect my brothers from Northern >Ireland. And I do just that. They are good Irish people.
It's against international law to have a hard border as the hood Friday agreement does not allow a border
The hood Friday agreement wasn’t worth the hood it was printed on.
But, 'Soft Brexit' was not on the ballot paper - it just said "leave the European Union" and everyone knew that meant leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, as remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union would be remaining in the European Union and that was the other distinct option.
Iazzaboyce No it did not it was an stupied ballot created by morrons
"Everyone" in the UK doesnt seem to have a very good understanding of what these institutions are or what the EU ACTUALLY does
everyone knew it? must have been why the most searched thing on google the day after brexit was "what is the eu"
That’s why the people of the 6 counties voted REMAIN.
Long before the eu there was a common travel area that was agreed between Ireland and the UK.
There wasn't a hard border and there doesn't need to be one when we leave. Whose going to build it?
I'll wait.
All traffic was subject to inspection with customs posts across the area. This is not the same system which exists right now that ended the troubles in NI.
It is most likely that Britain will build it out of necessity.
Britan no fucking shit
republic of scotland and ireland!
So Scotland has a second referendum and gains it's independence from the UK. Then agrees a new union with the Republic of Ireland, to form the Republic of Scotland and Ireland. Now Unionist can feel at home as Ulster Scots, and Republicans can feel at home too. And the problem of Northern Ireland is solved forever. Nobel Peace Prizes for everyone, with a celebratory dinner of haggis and potatoes.
lol - if only
Bio Meta Scotland may go independent but it will never be a republic.
Anthony Mullen Maybe in time. Our main aim is independence..
Why?
It's the same bit of land. I'm fairly confident if Terrorirsts and drug lords won't go to Ireland to get to the UK and if they do just keep an eye on it.
WTO Brexit means border checks - otherwise you are in violation of WTO rules.
They don't need to be done at the border and there are trusted trader schemes we have with the rest of the world under WTO. Its a solvable problem with good will on both sides
@@ElectricInevitability
Nonsense. Their are border checks between Sweden and Norway. If they cant do it without UK certainly cannot do that. Its fantasy.
The Irish backstop is (NOT) a (PROBLEM) for Britain , the EU will FORCE (Dublin) as an EU member to (enforce the border) with Northern Ireland ... The check points etc will be on the Irish side not in ( Northern Ireland ) it will be with (THEM) to deal with any (check points) or trouble it may cause.
You're a moron
The Irish voted no to the Lisbon Treaty and the EU rejected it under Amendment 32. They renegotiated it with guarantees that military neutrality and abortion were central taboos to Irish life. With this agreed the people of Ireland voted yes.In the short time since that period in Irish life they have rapid reaction military units and armed police on their streets and abortion is now on demand. Is it not clear that the Irish need to have a new referendum given these failings and "backstops" to abolish the Treaty of Lisbon?
There were guarantees that it would keep control over military neutrality , corporation taxes, social issues such as abortion but not specifically that (the abortion guarantee was not that abortion would be kept but merely that only Ireland could decide on the issue), workers rights and it also got to keep it's full time seat in the EU commission (big win). Ireland has a rapid reaction military unit but is only involved with UN missions. It is not available for anything other than that. Ireland has a long history of involvement in UN deployments predating Lisbon. As for armed police on the streets, we had that before the treaty but that's nothing got to do with Lisbon treaty anyway as that is a police force not an army. There are very few armed police and they are part of the ERU (emergency response unit). You will almost never see an armed police officer on the street.
Abortion has now been allowed for by a recent referendum (it's not in law yet so it will be next year before any abortions will actually happen) but in any case the fact is that it was decided by the people of Ireland basically proves the point i.e. the guarantees that were sought have just been played out in one instance.
Well said ahlads. I'm sure Mr Holmes may not agree, but he's not the biggest fan of the facts I'd imagine.
Did the six counties not vote to remain in the EU
Yes. we voted to stay.
Brexiteers can't have both. Either have a hard Brexit and leave Northern Ireland in the customs union or a soft Brexit for the entire UK,
Why does northern ireland have to stay in the customs union
Do you think most people really want northern ireland
It is a British border. your problem Britain,
Put a wall up.... not really a problem is it
@@tonysmith5812 that would create more problems
I think the problems of Brexit have been squarely pointed at the UK. "Its your fault Brits". Not enough has been mentioned about the old relationship we used to have with Europe, when it was the EEC. I think the complications occured when the powers that be decided to up the anti on what was a nice workable free trade zone, and try to create a Federal Superstate, without asking the peoples of Europe if that was what they wanted. Was it the Lisbon Treaty that initiated this? If so just scrap it and return to the good old EEC, and we will be a long way to resolving issues that at the start, were initiated by Brussels, not the people of Britain ( as opposed to the govt of Britain, who have been complicit in the whole affair)
2000 crossing on the irish border no way it can be man'd or monitored. It was saturated with soldiers during the troubles. The British could police all of it then i doubt it can be done now even with drones.
Here's Fedex...a company that knows a bit about international trade, on transhipping goods from or to Ireland thru the UK, even in a No Deal situation.
Goods
moved by road from Europe to Ireland are routed through the UK.
Post-Brexit in a No Deal scenario, the UK will sign up to the Common
Transit Convention (CTC). This will cover goods transiting through the
UK to/from EU countries, so there will be no change to current process.
For air shipments, the current system Remain on Board (ROB) will be used, so there will be no change to current process.
There is no requirement for you to complete or do anything different in respect of transhipping goods.
So this BBC report is more fear mongering.
Its not a republic or northern border. Its a eu non eu border.
We,i in UK we do not want a solid border with the Ireland as remember the Irish are the back born of UK..ALL WE NEED TO DO IS TO CHECK OUR HOUSE AS THERE ARE ALSO MANY IRISISH AS NEIGHBOURS IN UK. ALSO ARE FRIEND
Ulster Scots? Yeah, right. The actual Scots would freak if they ever thought they had to take you back.
Joe Francis
Take you back? They're going nowhere so I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about it.
The Uk offered to keep the Pre EEC /EU rules which allow Irish Nationals to live and work in the UK. The effect of that would have been no passport checks for Irish nationals crossing the Border. A few designated check points only needed for non uk Irish nationals. Rejected by the EU. Uk had the answer the EU rejected it making it an EU problem not ours. They the EU seem to think they have some right over Northern Ireland and its people THEY the EU do not. YOUR demands over us are mad and they are the most likely thing to drive this country back to war. Shame on the EU risking peace and lives here for their our ends. The EU dont care about us if they did they would not be making mad demands which risk driving this country back to war.
I live in Sweden, we have very long border with Norway not being in the European union. Apart from customs office sometimes panicing it is wide open and neither us Swedes or the Norweigans minds much We trust each other...
Yes, but Norway is part of a few deals like Schengen (?), England wants to leave completely.
WTO will require monitoring of goods and traffic. Republic will remain with EU customs and tariffs. UK wants its own so no alternative to a hard border. Direct links to Europe is Ireland's way forward and the UK will lose a lot of money as it won't be a landbridge to Europe
Where is Gaybriel Gaytehouse?
Ahh yes the classic 'business' mindset investing in something that might turn out to be completely pointless and unusable... the whole thing is pure mad idiocy!
Used to meet Evan Davis every other day around old Brompton road Earl’s Court I guess he must live around there?
The huge stakes at play for Ireland were underlined by the Central Bank, which warned this week that a no-deal Brexit would cost Ireland 4 per cent of GDP in the first year - an €8 billion economic hit including huge disruption. The speed at which it said a no-deal Brexit would hit was particularly notable and it is the first time an Irish official body has done this.
Maybe Leo Varadkar should offer concessions like a time limited Irish backstop or removing it completely from the withdrawal agreement and stop peace in Ireland being used as a pawn in EU negotiations!
Complex problems are not solved by simplistic soundbites....
The border "issue" is dreamt up by remainers to undermine Brexit.
Norway (non EU) and Sweden doesn't have a harder border.
Hungary and Romania (both EU) has a hard border.
You’d think if it wasn’t an issue then it wouldn’t be an issue for politicians either 🤔
Funny how this isn't a big deal on the Swiss (not in the EU) border. And isn't Norway outside the EU too?
Neither the Swiss nor the Norwegians take issue with border checkpoints, or had a civil war over them.
Get real- what will the EU make Ireland do if Britain refuses to build a border??
Build some crazy fortified border themselves / force Ireland to do it? Don’t think so.
The EU can just piss off in my opinion, what can they do?
But I thought Brexit was all about taking back control. How do you suppose to police the border from a customs perspective if Britain is outside the customs union? What about all those immigrants that get into Britain via a back door through ROI? It's unlikely anyone in NI will permit immigration control travelling from Belfast to London or wherever else in Britain now will they.
Not forgetting the effect at the Welsh ports of Pembroke, Fishguard and Holyhead
Dublin gnp grew by 35% 2020. But ye will pay the £13 billion N.I. fund for years. Scotland will become a Norway. Richer they have more oil. Wales we love you and want to see you prosper. England nice decent people. It's time for you to fully acknowledge your brutal genocide in Ireland.
The people of Northern Ireland should be offered one more fainal vote with only two options: 1. A fully united Ireland under the EU only or 2. Northern Ireland remains as part of Britain separate from Europe and a hard boarder is implemented. If the North Irish people honestly vote for option 1 then it's all hands off for Britain. Paying in Euros for most of the stores in the county and then suddenly having to pay in British Pounds for the fuel station just up the street is beyond crazy!
Why didn't you talk to anyone in NI under the age of 70? It's their future which is at stake, not those auld fossils.
'Camera' - unacceptable said the EU...
It is mental to put up cameras on a border in "nowhere".
I am 100% sure that camera smashing will become the new sport after "glassing".
If you dont know what glassing is, feel free to look it up.
By the current "mood" it would not hold up for a week.
At 2:40. They could always sail to Europe from Rosslare.
So long as the six counties remain part of the Uk Brexit can't happen.World trade rules say there must be a border.That is why the Dup wanted Brexit.Ditch the six counties, then Uk should join Nafta.Save ten billion pounds 💷 a year.
I am from Derry. I am Northern Irish. Not Irish. Not British. My Country. Stop trying to give it away to other Countries and people. If we decide we no longer want to be associated with the UK, will we decide here what we shall do. I prefer that we go it alone.
6:17 What am I looking at?
the bbc stirring it up as usual totally against leaving the eu like all the luvvies who control our biased media
biased media like the Sun and Daily Mail
What does it mean a hard border please
its the British border in Ireland the irish border is the beach
NI has a problem if NI does not leave the UK before the Brexit then NI have to pay the Brexit price for the next 500 years - yes they have to pay even if they leave the UK later after the Brexit. Why does Boris not mention these facts?
Move out form irleand Gibraltar and falklands
Carparks now routinely use number plate recognition systems so it is doubtful that this would be prohibitively expensive for a nation-state.
You're a Mogg slurping moron.
26+6=1 it's that simple :)
What, that you are useless at adding up?
@jeflynnenut nothing to do with england dick head
The UK and Ireland should simply tell the EU they are keeping things as is for the sake of Peace. If the EU have an issue with it, Eire and UK should take them to the International Criminal Court and or the UN to debate that Peace comes before Trade, that the reason some countries Trade is to keep the peace i.e Germany and France. Some countries contemplating leaving the EU ( Poland, Netherlands...) would surely back the plan, the USA definitely...Do nothing, nothing at all. It would be a good example to the world of how peace treaty's should be honored above everything else.
I think a referendum on Northern Ireland as a autonomous province of Ireland would work several other factors for reconciliation like the dissolution of the new IRA would be important to ensure the loyalists that they are safe.
At the same time if Northern Ireland could remain In the EU whilst in the UK could work but then again Scotland would probably want similar concessions as they voted as a majority to stay too.
the golf players are not getting it.
one said that Ireland will not accept a hard border. if the UK doesnt stay in the customs union, then Ireland will have to have a customs border, whether you like it or not. someone will have to check the goods and the people crossing.
the other, the woman, said that people voted and you cannot change it. of course you can. May can legally reverse the A50. yes, you voted to leave, but it doesnt mean that the UK HAS TO leave
Is it really that slower to travel by see, more so cheaper...their entire goods must go through the Euro-tunnel, or they have to load and unload ships two times.
I imagine the shipping company might have goods to deliver to the UK, then find goods in the UK bound to the EU, to fill up the empty space and then keep going to the EU. And pretty much doing the same thing the other way around.
If the Lady at 5:12 was the UK's chief negotiator there would already be a post brexit deal in place
maybe the brits sould just move to texas an help trump build his wall
Maybe we should just build a wall along the irish border. I would happily pay extra tax for that
Tony Smith you’re so helpful with this peace process
Tony Smith let's have a full on war Mate. I want to remind you arseholes that sing "No surrender to the IRA" that you did already twice. More British arrogance. I'm "all in" as your troops say due to a North London Jew who joined Now 102.2 radio in Edmonton 2011 who ran a unique promotion. A potato to a sick kids hospital for a chance to win U2 tickets. U2 boycotted Alberta. I will personally go to a full on war with ye due to your Canadian Jew racist friends like Ezra Levant who influenced Brexit by 8%. And Disreali his actions cut the deepest. Famine not Genocide so fancy taking on 25 European countries? The world hates you Britain it's time to let that sink in.
The solution is for a hard border to be constructed, and Northern Ireland being declared an economic zone with a corporate tax rate of 7%. The Global Corporations using Ireland as a tax haven can simply move a few miles away to Northern Ireland creating the least fuss, before the EU impose their planned harmonious tax rate across Europe in an effort to bring the business to Germany and France.
What was ever wrong with a free trade EEC type deal? Why did the EU even have to come into being? The politics of creeping political expansionism of the EU has poisoned the well - should have just stayed as a trade pact.
Our border is the beach ☘
Given Northern Ireland voted to remain, maybe the UK should sell that province to Ireland? Would solve the issue of the land border quite neatly and would also raise a lot of money for spending on... whatever needs spending on after leaving the EU. I really have no idea. I'm not even from the same hemisphere.
The solution is a United Ireland in the EU
@Dinky Man The solution is getting rid of the EU and ever European country can return to how they were.
@@VincentRE79 devolve the EU back to its state in the 60s and everything would be better
@Douglas Ballantine Yes take it back to a basic Customs Union.
@@VincentRE79 that's my main issue with the EU ever since its inception all it has been is increased centralisation of power to Brussels. There's now even sincere talk of a possible common European army
@Douglas Ballantine Yes I agree but the average Remainer thinks this is all rubbish. I do not understand why so many voted to remain with an organisation that has not really shown it's true intentions yet.
That border crossing is called Ballabridge. It's near County Monaghan in the Republic. I'm from Monaghan and I watch Newsnight. I can't believe Evan Davis was at Ballabridge! Lol
Do you sound like people from down and Belfast? or is your accent more similar to the Dublin accents?
-just wondering
Yugoslav Nationalist well the Monaghan accent is more of a Mid Ulster accent. It's not like either Dublin or Belfast accent. But I will often get confused with people from from Derry or Donegal. Are you living in Ireland. Where are you from?
I have an Irish passport and I have never been to Ireland LOL
It's only a problem created by the EU for their own selfish reasons. If the south doesn't want a hard border and the north don't want a hard border and Brits have said the same, the interference can only be coming from the EU. There again, we have experienced the EU and their arrogant, hateful demeanor because they thought they could do the same as they did in the Irish and French vote and didn't succeed. Now their sole intention is to ensure the UK do not succeed in any which way or at least try to. What the UK should do is cease all negotiations and walk. Then every problem they have caused will belong to the EU and very possibly will their downfall.
Funny that Switzerland doesn’t have a problem with their borders with the EUSSR
It's a member of EEA in all but name.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations
Or norway with their finland and sweden borders
While listening to this it's worth remembering that the BBC has taken money from the EU. At least 28.000.000€
''We can Brexit and go back to EFTA as we were from 1960 to 1972.'' said a Brexiteer :)) I said : ''Why stop to 1960 and why not regress till 2500 BC Stonehenge ?:) Stonehenge was a good model ! :D''
If there is to be ever a United Ireland it will be on terms completely acceptable to a majority of Unionists as well as everyone else. "Ulster Scots" will be involved in the governing of Ireland in a way never possible with London in charge. I can tell you with certainty: the people in the ROI will NEVER vote for a union where you will feel a 2nd class citizen. We have lost tolerance for 2nd class whether it was racist, sectarian, one party state NI or RCC dominated Southern Ireland. Ulster Scots will do brilliant in an United Ireland. Remember Wolf Tone! Remember, Unionists, if you do manage a union, you will have Britain on your side, the EU on your side, the world on your side. As for the subvention from London, it's a pittance. London (you are British citizens), Dublin, Brussels will have no problem.
sbranagh1 Or gas the cunts.
Sean, you are a very sick person.
We cannot let Irish best interests take precedence over UK best interests, get Brexit done & in 6 months we will be wondering what all the fuss was about. Forget about the Backtrap, its a dead parrot.
Here's my explantion: @
Can you brexit and a friendly immigration ( able to allow and approve people coming in to UK)? @ the border.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but as Britain is going to be outside the EU But still wishing to comply with a pre existing internationally recognised agreement drawn up between two sovereign nations Isn't it down to remaining EU states to create the means of protecting their borders not just the UK? With a solution which best serves the interests of the North and Republic of Ireland Not the political whims of those who have shown little interest in the region until now.
The notion that the EU has to approve of the UK's border arrangements is silly. If the PM weren't a Remainer we woulndt have this problem. Her answer would be "We arent putting up a hard border, if you guys want to on your side that's your business, but we wont and thats it." Then let the EU decide to put up a hard border if they want to, which they wouldnt do. problem solved. But shes a Remainer, so this is how Brexit gets stopped.
Ireland will not be allowed to stay in the EU if they don't implement customs control as it would completely undermine the single market. Anyone could move merchandise into the EU without tariffs by exporting to the UK, moving to Ireland and distributing from there.
Moreover it would be against WTO rules not to control your borders and would thus jeopardise the membership of the UK Ireland and the EU as a whole.
First, its a quite a thing the EU has suddenly come round to the idea that borders matter. Borders, and controlling ones' borders, was a notion for only racists and nationalists about three minutes ago. But ok, now borders must be enforced. If that is the case, then Ireland has a decision to make about their border, one that the UK cannot make for them. If they choose a hard border that would be a terrible shame and a violation of the Good Friday agreement, but whatever. They have a choice to make.
Why do you say that the EU used to like loose borders with non-member states?
"...approve of the *UK's* border..."
You're possibly misunderstanding, unless you're consciously misrepresenting the facts?: The EU cares about *Ireland's* border with the UK, which is sort of in the member state's interests, whatever we think. We kind of cared about Turkey's borders when in the EU, after all.
I hear this from British posters all the time. How will you control the flow of goods and people in and out of your country via Ireland with no border checks etc? I thought one of the reasons for Brexit was to 'take back sovereignty' and more closely monitor who's coming into the UK?
What’s with the diddley-eye music playing when he’s in Dublin? It’s like RTÉ using Chas n Dave when they’re recording a piece in the square mile
There’s no holdups into Norway a Switzerland so why need one here, the backstop was agreed by remainer May and proposed by the EU as warning to us, so Boris should stand his ground and tell the EU it’s their problem you deal with it .
There is a hard border in Switzerland and Norway.
When Brexit turns out to be a huge success I hope everyone holds their hands up and admits they were wrong
Conversely if it turns out to be a complete shit show will Leavers admit the same ?
Carrickboy of course they would
J B they won't sadly they will just pretend they were pro brexit because humans in politics have a massive problem admitting they are wrong
J B
Lol brexit hasn t even appened yet and leavers are already calling the eu a bully because things aren t going as they have planned...
Leavers will just blame the eu when brexit will be a complete shit show
Ireland deserves more Pakistanis and Indians.
For being Pro-EU, that's what I like.
fredocorleone; since the brexit vote they have been flooding into Ireland, mostly English born.
The UK can without Nothern Ireland or Scottland or Gibraltar? But the UK can't without England? But can the Irish or Scottish people take back control of own country? I have doubts - they are weak, very weak and always slaves!
Why not just give them a referendum on whether they stay as part of the UK or rejoin the rest of their kin?
Who are you talking about? You clearly know little or nothing about NI and its history
Seize the opportunity Ireland!
Wot, you guys going to try that again.
@@tonysmith5812 🔔 end
@@nervesinapattern7261 You tube warrior eh? we will see who the bell end is when the EU flood Ireland with immigrants.
Cork to Santander,
Dublin to Roscoff, just more traffic, and goodbye Chunnel.
No 'HOPE' here !
Very sad!
The famous Irish border that you UKishers don’t even know where it is.