Small PSA: this vid, like a lot of the other vids is what I THINK the character is thinking not necessarily what I personally think or an endorsement of a character's POV. My personal opinions aren't in a vid unless I'm addressing the camera / audience as myself.
Oz and ironwood never got to talk It's funny how Oscar was a side characters but he was more of a main character n v8 XD Team rwb and ironwood didn't even fight Salem,Oscar, yang juane and Rin did It's funny caz I didn't think At first team joyr would do to much other then save Oscar from Salem and get ppl to safely but they did more then anyone
@@SomeAsian my money says more. I suspect that a full magazine would have only been half as painful as the crap I had to hear as a kid. _proceeds to ring up therapist_
Dear anyone about to make any comments about Ironwood/RWBY's actions/whatever: Bold words for someone in *GUN* distance. Edit: I COMPLETELY forgot I added the Metal Gear Solid reference at the end there.
Random thought: part of the reason I love these videos is that it brings me in something resembling actual contact with a lot of folks who are passionate about RWBY as well. Even though I am just as likely to vehemently disagree with other comments as not, knowing there are other folks who care about this show, these characters, this _world_ is an amazing thing.
I’ve been waiting a long time for this one, and I think you did a great job. I was worried that Ironwood wasn’t going to be given a fair shake ( despite his being wrong ), but I think you did a great job at showing how the burden he had needed to bear made his perspective and actions almost inevitable. Props!
I think both sides are wrong and right in certain points. I have to agree that holding their ground is a idiotic decision but they should still try to evacuate as much of Mantles population to Atlas before Atlas retreats. The more important people of the population should be priority. Scientists, doctors, workers, etc.
@@Cooldude-ko7ps evacuating those “valuable” individuals as a priority over the rest of Mantle falls into the same problem as Ironwood wanting to leave immediately: it abandons their oath to fight for the people, rich and poor, “valuable” and not. While there are times when rescuing some individuals isn’t worth the risk, we’re talking about the wholesale population here. So while I agree that making an extra effort to extract “high value” individuals would bolster the by the numbers strategy of Ironwood’s plan, I think it doesn’t improve the moral implications and would in fact worsen them; in this case he would not only abandon the people of Mantle but also take away those who might give it a fighting chance.
3:14 Ruby: What?! James Ironwood's thought: I swear to the Gods, if any of you say 'what' again, I will put you all in jail! WE are going to TAKE Atlas, and push it somewhere else! Ruby's thought: I HEARD what you said! I WANT an explanation!
7:30 goodbye, general. To the man you used to be, I salute you. To the man you have become, I pity you. For the atrocities you have and would have committed, I condemn you
Ozcar: Really!, you think i don't understand, ME! Are you serious! I fought a bigger WAR then any of you could ever imagine... When I close my eyes, I hear more SCREAMS then any of you could ever hope to count, and you know what you do with that pain... You hold it tight, till it burns your hands, and say this "no one will have to feel this pain, not on my watch". James:... Both you and salem played with the lives of remnant for so long... You might as well be gods, but then again that's all you and her ever did pretended to be Gods!
1) I appreciate the Pulp Fiction reference 2) Ironclown strikes again! 3) Just because I know that the VA will read this: THICC Chiccy Nuggies and Choccy Milk 4) Amazing vid as always. I was waiting for this.
Yes, but actually no. Ironwood currently being the man in charge of Atlas did not mean he was the only option. If when they arrived RWBY and co had decided that Atlas looked screwed already they could have chosen to make a run for Shade, or even fall back to Vale. They decided instead to tread carefully, trying to help Atlas how they could while keeping their cards close to their chest.
@@falcore91 Atlas probably would've been better off if they had left. More people might've lived. Fewer betrayals would've left Ironwood's sanity in a better position, and not having two Relics drawing Salem to Atlas might've delayed her deciding to prioritize Atlas, giving James time to finish the Amity project, restore global communications, and inform the world about Salem.
Hats off to Crumbling Cube these guys basically did narrative backflips to provide Ironwood with an actual reason for his plan, rather than just flipping some “bad guy” switch in his brain for the sake of plot
@@Neekazan left said population in a desert wasteland full of dangerous grimm. Youd think they'd want them at least IN Shade Academy or maybe better off in Mistral
Ironwood:"Say 'what' again, say 'what' again. I dare you, I double dare you. Say 'what' one more god damn time." Ruby:"What?!" Ironwood:"Mother f*&$#! I told you, say 'what' one more time and I would put you in jail." Me:"Hey Ironwood. What..." (Sound of Ironwood loading and readying gun) Me:"Uh oh." (Crack) (Me running through a window)
Isn’t the lamp the only relic more dangerous because it’s out and only need to have protect the maiden Or better idea push both Mantel and Atlas up into the sky higher up and limiting Salem hold Buying time and capturing her special forces also the bonus of the high ground now
2:35 I know I'm repeating myself here, *general* , but if a single Grimm attack on Mantle was enough to leave your army exhausted, then you weren't prepared to shelter the whole worold from Grimm in the first place
To be fair I don’t think the plan was to take on the whole world at once. Step 1 was to deal with the Grimm which would naturally be drawn to the panic in Atlas, then reinforce defenses since Amity no longer needed every spare piece of scrap, _then_ assist other kingdoms as needed. Dealing with a direct assault by Salem and co before that was not the plan.
@@falcore91 Yes he had planed on doing things in multiple stages but if he can't handle one bad night from a flood of normal (not under salems direct control) Grimm how was he supposed to fight the entire world???
I think he just made a tactical mistake due to the mental stress he was under, in a normal situation he could have just sent Winter to eat up the Grimm with her summons and add them to her collection. Why he didn’t try that during the earlier Grimm attacks? I have no idea 🤷 except that maybe he wanted to keep her abilities as a surprise although the semblance is known worldwide and is actually more surprising that Salem would send her Grimm to the city where lives a family which specializes in killing Grimm!
@@joycechuah6398 No one's Aura is infinite and I would imagine that there is a limit to how many summons she can have at once. She couldn't just magic up an army certainly not spread her summons across and entire city certainly not an entire kingdom.
Kinda really annoying that RT just made him total bad guy , I think Ironwood had mind set similar to Kiritsugu Emiya hero that does thing for greater good , who aren’t against sacrificing one person for sake of humanity . It’s just like that train situation but more heavier which side you choose to save doomed people or save people that still have future .
9:55 the *MINUTE* you had your guard "down" and trusted others, you had Jacque in prison, Penny cleared of guilt, Wattz under arrest, your message and intentions spread to Mantle (which relatively relieved tensions) and the support of Robin and her people. Things ONLY got worse after YOU jumped the gun and made a lot, and I mean a LOT, of assumptions based on a single glass piece. Think, James, THINK! Why would Salem bother scaring you with a chess piece if she was already planning to do it through the jelly fish in Wattz's briefcase. Briefcase that YOU brought inside the office (side note: why didn't he bother to check what was inside the briefcase at Amity arena? For all he knew, inside could have been a bomb meant for either Amity or him, since Salem plan revolves around dividing humanity as much as possible. Take out either the tower that threatens to restore global communication or Atlas's high command and elite task force in one fell swoop. Either way, Salem would have to gain). If that chess piece really was part of it, why didn't she bother saying something like "Have you received my message?". The chess piece could easily be deduced as a red herring from a 3rd party (Cinder), that's currently not coordinating with Salem, meant to scare you. And you FELL for it Edit: grammar
Actually, both Salem and Cinder knew that he would still be paranoid about Salem and the threat that she would bring, and him and everyone else bringing the news about Salem and the threat she brings is exactly what Salem wanted: to cause panic to the populace, and panic can lead to lack of preparation, and Atlas and Mantle were not prepared to fight Salem and her forces even with strong military might. As for Cinder, because she knew how predictable Ironwood is, as well as knowing that, or at least had a hunch that, Salem is on her way to Atlas, she wanted to make Ironwood panic, to make him see that he and everyone else were compromised, which is actually true, and all Cinder needed to do was follow Winter to get to the Winter Maiden. And like Ironwood said, he let his guard down for one minute and Salem had an opening. And it didn't help that Ruby's group lied to him and acted on their own accord instead of at least follow his orders or even telling him the truth, even if it was for good reasons. In short, Salem and her inner circle wanted to make things worse for the heroes, and the worse has already happened. And now because of that, Ruby's group now understands what Ozpin had to go through and how trusting others is a huge risk, and have to face the consequences of all their actions.
for all intents and purposes, I AM THE SENATE... wait, sorry, council. wrong military dictator. I mean, the dude wasn't entirely wrong, to be fair, but learning to be an actual team player might've really helped avoid some of those more 'I'm practically a secondary evil villain at this point' type decisions. Just say in. Also, phenomenal job, yo. I'd say fairly solid glimpse inside the dude's head. That Anakin allusion at the end really did drive home poor Ironwood's descent to the darkside pretty dang well
Being less of a team player probably would have been more helpful for him. Dude's main problem was he kept trusting people who ended up betraying him. Oz keeping the nature of the threat Salem represented a secret. RWBY going behind his back to reveal secrets to his opposition. Watts doing exactly what anyone sane would have seen coming when he was asked to hack Penny. James is really just way too trusting a guy for his own good.
5:00 and now, sir, you're backing yourself even more into a corner. Once you get up there, what then? Food and water aside, how will you rebuilt your forces you've already lost. I doubt the city itself as anymore natural resources left after spending centuries floating above the clouds, and even assuming there are some left, they will be extremely limited at best. How will you replace the ships you've already lost, the ammo and weapons you've already spend, the people who have already died? If you have to retreat, then retreat damn it, but up is the absolute worst direction to go
All very true but the critic in me demands I nitpick. The city had only been floating since the end of the great war about 80'ish years ago. Your still right about there not being any resources to mine I just felt I had to say it.
6:15 and who are these people you "can" save, James? Are you sacrifing Mantle to save the rest of the world? Or are you sacrificing Mantle to save Atlas? And once Mantle is gone, who will you sacrifice next? Beacon? Haven? Menajerie? How much of the rest of the must be sacrificed before you decide the costs outweigh the benefits. Because, with all due respect, *sir* , for all your talk about saving the whole world, you sure do a lot to prioritize Atlas before everyone
You mean the part of the city with the highest population, where we've been evacuating Mantle's population to for days, and which is actually possible to move out of the way of the fuckoff huge army of Grimm and the immortal witch queen coming to slaughter us all and take the cosmic keystones that will let her destroy the world? The part of the city that, if it falls, will literally crush Mantle underneath it, killing everyone there? The part of the city that, with the relics and maidens on it, will be what Salem will prioritize chasing down, giving Mantle a chance at survival, slim though it may be? I get that the writers were going for him being unreasonable and cowardly here, but they did a terrible job of it, since the actual situation presented, James is being ridiculously reasonable.
@@YouthRightsRadical leaving all the moralizing aside, he's pushing himself into a corner. Atlas currently is surrounded by a massive grimm force, and Ironwood's plan is to launch that sucker way high into the atmosphere using the staff, with the assumption that no grimm force could ever reach him that high. BIG if on his part, as we've seen Salem and the grimm surpass his expectations twice now. Even assuming his plan works, what's his next move? Replenish his forces by conscripting more troops and manufacturing more weapons and ships? With what resources? Atlas the flying piece of land has most likely been stripped of all useful minerals, metals and dust already; and even if Salem can't reach him (again, IF), she can just blockade the surface and shoot down any force trying to take a dive for more resources or call out for help. Salem can literally make more of her forces and modify them as she pleases Wait Salem out in a battle of attrition? Salem's forces don't need to sleep, eat or drink. They are tireless and they can wait for as long as they have to. Ironwood can't. Yeah Atlas conveniently has farmable land and coursing water (still wrapping my head around that one), but with the influx of refugees and lack of imports, they'll have to dig into their reserves, and those aren't going to last forever, even with rationalizing them. Not to mention some of the fields have been damaged during the grimm attack. Plus, something often overlooked in media is that, at higher altitudes, the air pressure increases, so it becomes more difficult to breathe, and the temperature decreases, meaning whatever proper conditions he had for those patches of grains are gone now. With all that in mind, sooner rather than later, Ironwood is gonna run out of food reserves, people will start to panic and become unruly, and he'll start taking more.....drastic measures Launch a counterattack at Salem's forces and defeat her conventionally? If he was capable of that in the first place, he wouldn't have resorted to lifting Atlas way into the atmosphere to begin with Go back to the original plan of restoring global communications and call for help from the other nations? Arguably the best option he has left in the corner that he has driven himself into, it's still a longshot. Vale is still rebuilding from the fall of Beacon, Mistral had their elite hunters and headmaster systematically stamped out (not to mention the bad blood between the two nations) and Vacuo is too far away, is a desert country with barely enough resources for itself as it is and doesn't care. Plus, Atlas has pretty much burned all the metaphorical bridges and goodwill it had with the other nations because of the whole dust embargo, so I don't see them helping out regardless In conclusion, there is nothing beneficial about Ironwood's plan in terms of logistics and at best he's only buying for himself a little more time
@@floricel_112 You say buying time like that's a bad thing. Dying now and dying a few years from now have a very significant difference. As to the next step, restoring global communications, warning everyone about the Grim, and evacuating the population from Atlas to save havens before dropping the city on top of Salem seems like a good starting point. What he needed was time to take the pressure off. A workable plan now is better than a perfect plan that comes too late. His plan would buy time for that better plan to materialize. Maybe enough time for Oz to tell him the staff does things other than make stuff float so he could use it to do more than make Atlas float better.
It's a cell phone equivalent, and established as a really commonplace piece of technology in Remnant. That the ruler of a nation under martial law can deny declared enemies access to his communication infrastructure isn't a catch and it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.
10:15 you didn't listen either, James. You brought your fleet then, and it got hacked. So did your mechanical forces. You share as much of the blame for Beacon as Ozpin did
@@YouthRightsRadical no, Ozpin told him not to bring his whole fleet because such a massive security force for just a sporting event will stress the people out. Ironwood insisted on bringing it in, saying that, when they look at his fleet, people feel safe instead, knowing they are protected
@@floricel_112 And it wasn't people being stressed out by the fleet that was the problem. You recall that right? How there was a massive terrorist attack and even Ozpin told Ironwood to use his fleet to save people?
@@Cptsuccess RWBY and co had no definitive plan, but that didn’t mean they weren’t willing to be a part of whatever could be scraped together. Fighting as long as they can is a plan. Partnering with the citizens of Mantle to buy time for a more complete evacuation or even somehow holding the line is a plan. Bring a genius like Pietro into the fold and you might come up with the same escape plan that RWBY and co eventually settled on, but with the full cooperation of the Atlas military this could have been done more effectively and evacuated more critical resources with the populace. There is a lot of risk in this kind of venture, particularly given the unknowns (like not knowing exactly how strong the force that is coming will be). But there is an immense amount of risk to simply running, and a very clear cost that shouldn’t be considered acceptable.
3:55 I see the general wants to go full Columbia on the city of Atlas EDIT: you know, this might just be me not fully familiar with the lore, but this DOES raise the question: how big is Remnant exactly and the countries that form it? Are they full blown continental sized countries, average size with a few cities and a capital in each country, or the size of a slightly bigger city-state with a bit of territory each so hey can have 2-3 cities? Cause the city and country of Atlas, minus the land down below used for mining, seem to be the same thing, Mantle seems to be a different entity from Atlas and that base Atlas had in Mistral seems more like a base of operation that part of the territory itself. How spread out and numerous is the human population exactly?
I’m under the impression that the kingdoms are more like city states than full blown nations. It doesn’t seem that there is more than one or two major cities per kingdom, and only in areas that are geographically optimal for defense. Attempts at expansion have also had limited success, for example Mountain Glenn. Edit: although while the vast majority of the populations are concentrated in the capital cities it looks like there are plenty of small rural outposts/villages in a broader territory that probably don’t attract the same quantity of Grimm as a proper city would.
Ironwood: graet more beacon huntsman and huntress wait what the F Barry azul: ironwood you need help we can do this as a team plz li indigo: barry is right you need us Ulm cobolt: we can kill salem togather plz Electra aqua plz ironwood team RWBY will tell everyone about salem plz team RWBY: team BLUE come on let's go ( vol 8 ) Barry azul: hey ruby rose we will tell everyone about salem Ruby rose: ok barry azul that's done so what now ok let's go to shade ok barry azul Barry azul: ok but 1 thing F ironwood he can get his fate ok death and can we make it Blake hex: oh no you will not make it in time you MF'S Barry azul it's blake hex he is here to no team RWBY Cinder fall you B no my team where are they? Cinder fall: they was easy to win and see them die and for you Blake hex you are done to Barry azul: HEX WHAT EVER YOU DO NOT LET GO!!! Blake hex: ok azul i wont!? Winter: no barry azul no Barry/Blake: nooo- Winter no Jaune Arc: we need to go now Winter: you are going to pay for everything for wait you just done!!! No jaune arc Jàck høllöw: Lie ren where is everyone? Lie ren: i do not know Jàck i do not know team JASH team SLVR NYON DARK CCRM ok all team's keep on fighting we can do this ok team (all team's ) JASH,SLVR,NYON,DARK and CCRM: ok lie ren let's do this!!! (The end for now ) but that's my P O V ok so yeah and peace out :)
Salem and co ruined everything. In the face of this RWBY and co had to make some hard calls, just like Ironwood did. For RWBY and co to have gone along with Ironwood at this point would have been to abandon their ultimate mission, to renounce the Promise that makes them worthy of being called huntsmen/huntresses.
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Small PSA: this vid, like a lot of the other vids is what I THINK the character is thinking not necessarily what I personally think or an endorsement of a character's POV. My personal opinions aren't in a vid unless I'm addressing the camera / audience as myself.
"You're a side character hey has done nothing this entire volume! "
Dang, that was more painful then Oscar getting shocked
Oscar in volume 8: I'm bout to end this mans whole career.
Shot
Oz and ironwood never got to talk
It's funny how Oscar was a side characters but he was more of a main character n v8 XD
Team rwb and ironwood didn't even fight Salem,Oscar, yang juane and Rin did
It's funny caz I didn't think At first team joyr would do to much other then save Oscar from Salem and get ppl to safely but they did more then anyone
You know, I knew my role wasn't as major as the others in V8 but to hear it from ironwood really stung.
More or less than getting shot?
@@SomeAsian my money says more. I suspect that a full magazine would have only been half as painful as the crap I had to hear as a kid.
_proceeds to ring up therapist_
@@SomeAsian getting shot was kinda the cherry on top, really put salt in the wound
@@oscarpine7145 are you sure it's not more like Qrow's whisky on the wound?
SAY what AGAIN! I DARE YOU
Dear anyone about to make any comments about Ironwood/RWBY's actions/whatever:
Bold words for someone in *GUN* distance.
Edit: I COMPLETELY forgot I added the Metal Gear Solid reference at the end there.
I planned ahead and wore kevlar! So ha!
Also very well done.
@@melchiorzibeon5024 Dude you don’t have helmet wear helmet.
3:21 Emulating the tactical genius of Patrick star.
I love the reference
It took every ounce of self-control to NOT do a Patrick voice there.
6:59
damnit Ruby it’s all your fault! You said “what” again!! 🤣 Good video.
Broke: RWBY ruined everything by going against Ironwood
Woke: Ruby ruined everything by saying "What" like a scrub
It's not that surprise to know that was he was thinking at the time, but that for the video and great performance work with ironwood.😃👏👏
Thanks.
Also shows how off the rails he is.
Random thought: part of the reason I love these videos is that it brings me in something resembling actual contact with a lot of folks who are passionate about RWBY as well. Even though I am just as likely to vehemently disagree with other comments as not, knowing there are other folks who care about this show, these characters, this _world_ is an amazing thing.
I’ve been waiting a long time for this one, and I think you did a great job. I was worried that Ironwood wasn’t going to be given a fair shake ( despite his being wrong ), but I think you did a great job at showing how the burden he had needed to bear made his perspective and actions almost inevitable. Props!
I think both sides are wrong and right in certain points. I have to agree that holding their ground is a idiotic decision but they should still try to evacuate as much of Mantles population to Atlas before Atlas retreats. The more important people of the population should be priority. Scientists, doctors, workers, etc.
@@Cooldude-ko7ps evacuating those “valuable” individuals as a priority over the rest of Mantle falls into the same problem as Ironwood wanting to leave immediately: it abandons their oath to fight for the people, rich and poor, “valuable” and not. While there are times when rescuing some individuals isn’t worth the risk, we’re talking about the wholesale population here.
So while I agree that making an extra effort to extract “high value” individuals would bolster the by the numbers strategy of Ironwood’s plan, I think it doesn’t improve the moral implications and would in fact worsen them; in this case he would not only abandon the people of Mantle but also take away those who might give it a fighting chance.
@@falcore91 true.
3:14
Ruby: What?!
James Ironwood's thought: I swear to the Gods, if any of you say 'what' again, I will put you all in jail! WE are going to TAKE Atlas, and push it somewhere else!
Ruby's thought: I HEARD what you said! I WANT an explanation!
7:30 goodbye, general. To the man you used to be, I salute you. To the man you have become, I pity you. For the atrocities you have and would have committed, I condemn you
General Ironwood, our friend and ally, is no more.
In his place stands Jimmy the Clown.
@@SomeAsian And like every clown may he burn in hell.
Gen. James Ironwood: “I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new kingdom.”
Wow, he did pull an Anakin
3:21
Oh, the Patrick Star Plan? Brilliant! I don't see this backfiring in any way whatsoev-
*Remembers the end of that SpongeBob episode*
Oh. Shit...
Tbh, it was bad luck that sandy and spongbob accidentally brought the worm atop of bikini bottom.
@@droidmaker7932I mean.. Do remember that Qrow Brawnwen IS present
Ozcar: Really!, you think i don't understand, ME! Are you serious! I fought a bigger WAR then any of you could ever imagine... When I close my eyes, I hear more SCREAMS then any of you could ever hope to count, and you know what you do with that pain... You hold it tight, till it burns your hands, and say this "no one will have to feel this pain, not on my watch".
James:... Both you and salem played with the lives of remnant for so long... You might as well be gods, but then again that's all you and her ever did pretended to be Gods!
Oh! Isn't that line from Doctor Who? I love that scene!
@@judyzhang7530 both from the 9 and 12 doctor who, also yeah 👍😆😆
@@kennethherrera588 I didn't see any episodes with the 9th doctor😅 sorry!
@@judyzhang7530 this is the clip I got for ironwood
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@@kennethherrera588 2015. The Zygon Inversion
1) I appreciate the Pulp Fiction reference
2) Ironclown strikes again!
3) Just because I know that the VA will read this: THICC Chiccy Nuggies and Choccy Milk
4) Amazing vid as always. I was waiting for this.
no one's gonna get the joke
@@SomeAsian I know... it's only meant for you.
Wait a damn minute.... Blake said "WHAT" about Robin?.... Ironwood you missed your chance XD 6:00
I read that script over and over and NEVER caught that.
@@SomeAsian uh... Thought Ironwood was focused on Ruby saying it
9:39 still being the best character this show has to offer
Fight Me!
He was so good that they had him go insane then killed because he was more liked than team rwby and friends.
@@RosePanda42 I think they were referring to Oscar?
I say Ironwood
that's fair, I just meant the timestamp goes to "you're just a side character!" so I assumed OP was responding "he's still one of the best though!"
Hyperfixation Station
No you right I was referring to Oscar
Lol. Smaller Version of Winter
a smaller version of Winter would probably be named Autumn, don't you think?
I’d say “Flurry”.
2:47 he is saying straight facts
Yes, but actually no. Ironwood currently being the man in charge of Atlas did not mean he was the only option. If when they arrived RWBY and co had decided that Atlas looked screwed already they could have chosen to make a run for Shade, or even fall back to Vale. They decided instead to tread carefully, trying to help Atlas how they could while keeping their cards close to their chest.
@@falcore91 Atlas probably would've been better off if they had left. More people might've lived. Fewer betrayals would've left Ironwood's sanity in a better position, and not having two Relics drawing Salem to Atlas might've delayed her deciding to prioritize Atlas, giving James time to finish the Amity project, restore global communications, and inform the world about Salem.
Hats off to Crumbling Cube these guys basically did narrative backflips to provide Ironwood with an actual reason for his plan, rather than just flipping some “bad guy” switch in his brain for the sake of plot
Huh?
0:40 that sounds like a man that knows all is lost
Poor Ironwood, he only wanted to save who he could but all the stupid kids he had to babysit wouldn’t stop asking questions so he went insane 🤧😂😂
I blame his semblance, it's basically tunnel vision
amzing job, as always
Great video, really made me see ironwood in a different light. Keep it up.
Yeah a new video of Ironwood thoughts and I enjoy your videos
And to think despite all of their “pretty words” Salem still gets her hands on both the staff and the lamp as well as Mantle still gets destroyed
The location of Mantle AND Atlas was destroyed. The actions of the kids saved the population... for now.
I know it's hilarious
@@Neekazan left said population in a desert wasteland full of dangerous grimm. Youd think they'd want them at least IN Shade Academy or maybe better off in Mistral
@@itsjustvin7630 that's why I said "for now." They should have specified a place in Vacuo, as they could have ended up in a spot well away from Shade.
And now basically all of the World Changing Atlas technology is Gone so now if anyone else loses an appendage, there's no getting freebies like yang.
This really is well thought out.
THE NOTIFICATIONS FINALLY WORKED😭😭😭
NOTIF SQUAD SOUND OFF!
"smaller version of Winter"
Winter Lite
Ironwood:"Say 'what' again, say 'what' again. I dare you, I double dare you. Say 'what' one more god damn time."
Ruby:"What?!"
Ironwood:"Mother f*&$#! I told you, say 'what' one more time and I would put you in jail."
Me:"Hey Ironwood. What..."
(Sound of Ironwood loading and readying gun)
Me:"Uh oh." (Crack)
(Me running through a window)
GET BACK HERE
@@SomeAsian No. Whoop whoop whoop.
@@SomeAsian 😂
Ironwood: what do you mean what? Smaller version of winter
He become the council!? I see the reference XD
Irony for Ironwood, justice at it’s peak……
"smaller version of Winter" lmao
Isn’t the lamp the only relic more dangerous because it’s out and only need to have protect the maiden
Or better idea push both Mantel and Atlas up into the sky higher up and limiting Salem hold
Buying time and capturing her special forces also the bonus of the high ground now
2:35 I know I'm repeating myself here, *general* , but if a single Grimm attack on Mantle was enough to leave your army exhausted, then you weren't prepared to shelter the whole worold from Grimm in the first place
To be fair I don’t think the plan was to take on the whole world at once. Step 1 was to deal with the Grimm which would naturally be drawn to the panic in Atlas, then reinforce defenses since Amity no longer needed every spare piece of scrap, _then_ assist other kingdoms as needed. Dealing with a direct assault by Salem and co before that was not the plan.
@@falcore91 Yes he had planed on doing things in multiple stages but if he can't handle one bad night from a flood of normal (not under salems direct control) Grimm how was he supposed to fight the entire world???
@@lookinforgoodshowsz fair enough.
I think he just made a tactical mistake due to the mental stress he was under, in a normal situation he could have just sent Winter to eat up the Grimm with her summons and add them to her collection. Why he didn’t try that during the earlier Grimm attacks? I have no idea 🤷 except that maybe he wanted to keep her abilities as a surprise although the semblance is known worldwide and is actually more surprising that Salem would send her Grimm to the city where lives a family which specializes in killing Grimm!
@@joycechuah6398 No one's Aura is infinite and I would imagine that there is a limit to how many summons she can have at once. She couldn't just magic up an army certainly not spread her summons across and entire city certainly not an entire kingdom.
11:18 *your* new kingdom?
You can see the exact moment he activates mettle (I think that's how you spell it)
the 1 time Blake needs to run THE ONE TIME! She doesn't
Never did you do an MGSV reference LMFAO
Kinda really annoying that RT just made him total bad guy , I think Ironwood had mind set similar to Kiritsugu Emiya hero that does thing for greater good , who aren’t against sacrificing one person for sake of humanity . It’s just like that train situation but more heavier which side you choose to save doomed people or save people that still have future .
Magnus.... I MEAN ...... Ironwood did nothing wrong
9:55 the *MINUTE* you had your guard "down" and trusted others, you had Jacque in prison, Penny cleared of guilt, Wattz under arrest, your message and intentions spread to Mantle (which relatively relieved tensions) and the support of Robin and her people. Things ONLY got worse after YOU jumped the gun and made a lot, and I mean a LOT, of assumptions based on a single glass piece. Think, James, THINK! Why would Salem bother scaring you with a chess piece if she was already planning to do it through the jelly fish in Wattz's briefcase. Briefcase that YOU brought inside the office (side note: why didn't he bother to check what was inside the briefcase at Amity arena? For all he knew, inside could have been a bomb meant for either Amity or him, since Salem plan revolves around dividing humanity as much as possible. Take out either the tower that threatens to restore global communication or Atlas's high command and elite task force in one fell swoop. Either way, Salem would have to gain). If that chess piece really was part of it, why didn't she bother saying something like "Have you received my message?". The chess piece could easily be deduced as a red herring from a 3rd party (Cinder), that's currently not coordinating with Salem, meant to scare you. And you FELL for it
Edit: grammar
YES all the Yes!!!!!!
Actually, both Salem and Cinder knew that he would still be paranoid about Salem and the threat that she would bring, and him and everyone else bringing the news about Salem and the threat she brings is exactly what Salem wanted: to cause panic to the populace, and panic can lead to lack of preparation, and Atlas and Mantle were not prepared to fight Salem and her forces even with strong military might. As for Cinder, because she knew how predictable Ironwood is, as well as knowing that, or at least had a hunch that, Salem is on her way to Atlas, she wanted to make Ironwood panic, to make him see that he and everyone else were compromised, which is actually true, and all Cinder needed to do was follow Winter to get to the Winter Maiden. And like Ironwood said, he let his guard down for one minute and Salem had an opening. And it didn't help that Ruby's group lied to him and acted on their own accord instead of at least follow his orders or even telling him the truth, even if it was for good reasons. In short, Salem and her inner circle wanted to make things worse for the heroes, and the worse has already happened. And now because of that, Ruby's group now understands what Ozpin had to go through and how trusting others is a huge risk, and have to face the consequences of all their actions.
And like the Star Wars Line
3:21 so Ozpin is SpongeBob?? Good to know
Jimmy just needs nuggies
and choccy milk
Yes
God dammit
@@SomeAsian huehueue
and a WHOLE lot of sleep. And several showers, most likely
for all intents and purposes, I AM THE SENATE... wait, sorry, council. wrong military dictator.
I mean, the dude wasn't entirely wrong, to be fair, but learning to be an actual team player might've really helped avoid some of those more 'I'm practically a secondary evil villain at this point' type decisions. Just say in. Also, phenomenal job, yo. I'd say fairly solid glimpse inside the dude's head. That Anakin allusion at the end really did drive home poor Ironwood's descent to the darkside pretty dang well
Yep. I definitely love the Darth Vader line.
Being less of a team player probably would have been more helpful for him. Dude's main problem was he kept trusting people who ended up betraying him. Oz keeping the nature of the threat Salem represented a secret. RWBY going behind his back to reveal secrets to his opposition. Watts doing exactly what anyone sane would have seen coming when he was asked to hack Penny. James is really just way too trusting a guy for his own good.
5:00 and now, sir, you're backing yourself even more into a corner. Once you get up there, what then? Food and water aside, how will you rebuilt your forces you've already lost. I doubt the city itself as anymore natural resources left after spending centuries floating above the clouds, and even assuming there are some left, they will be extremely limited at best. How will you replace the ships you've already lost, the ammo and weapons you've already spend, the people who have already died? If you have to retreat, then retreat damn it, but up is the absolute worst direction to go
they would have to collect dust and other resources by going down
Annnd he did not know how the staff works
All very true but the critic in me demands I nitpick. The city had only been floating since the end of the great war about 80'ish years ago. Your still right about there not being any resources to mine I just felt I had to say it.
@@lookinforgoodshowsz like I said in a previous comment, I'm not fully versed in the lore. So thank you for the correction
@@floricel_112 Thank you and I hope I didn't come across as too pushy or combative. Tone on the internet can be very difficult to interpret.
Is it just me, or do James and his thoughts voice actor (At some points) sound like Darth Vader?
Yes, yes it was. And I immediately understood it.
6:08 not. yet.
6:15 and who are these people you "can" save, James? Are you sacrifing Mantle to save the rest of the world? Or are you sacrificing Mantle to save Atlas? And once Mantle is gone, who will you sacrifice next? Beacon? Haven? Menajerie? How much of the rest of the must be sacrificed before you decide the costs outweigh the benefits. Because, with all due respect, *sir* , for all your talk about saving the whole world, you sure do a lot to prioritize Atlas before everyone
*slow clap* this. This right here. Thank you!
You mean the part of the city with the highest population, where we've been evacuating Mantle's population to for days, and which is actually possible to move out of the way of the fuckoff huge army of Grimm and the immortal witch queen coming to slaughter us all and take the cosmic keystones that will let her destroy the world? The part of the city that, if it falls, will literally crush Mantle underneath it, killing everyone there? The part of the city that, with the relics and maidens on it, will be what Salem will prioritize chasing down, giving Mantle a chance at survival, slim though it may be?
I get that the writers were going for him being unreasonable and cowardly here, but they did a terrible job of it, since the actual situation presented, James is being ridiculously reasonable.
@@YouthRightsRadical leaving all the moralizing aside, he's pushing himself into a corner. Atlas currently is surrounded by a massive grimm force, and Ironwood's plan is to launch that sucker way high into the atmosphere using the staff, with the assumption that no grimm force could ever reach him that high. BIG if on his part, as we've seen Salem and the grimm surpass his expectations twice now. Even assuming his plan works, what's his next move?
Replenish his forces by conscripting more troops and manufacturing more weapons and ships? With what resources? Atlas the flying piece of land has most likely been stripped of all useful minerals, metals and dust already; and even if Salem can't reach him (again, IF), she can just blockade the surface and shoot down any force trying to take a dive for more resources or call out for help. Salem can literally make more of her forces and modify them as she pleases
Wait Salem out in a battle of attrition? Salem's forces don't need to sleep, eat or drink. They are tireless and they can wait for as long as they have to. Ironwood can't. Yeah Atlas conveniently has farmable land and coursing water (still wrapping my head around that one), but with the influx of refugees and lack of imports, they'll have to dig into their reserves, and those aren't going to last forever, even with rationalizing them. Not to mention some of the fields have been damaged during the grimm attack. Plus, something often overlooked in media is that, at higher altitudes, the air pressure increases, so it becomes more difficult to breathe, and the temperature decreases, meaning whatever proper conditions he had for those patches of grains are gone now. With all that in mind, sooner rather than later, Ironwood is gonna run out of food reserves, people will start to panic and become unruly, and he'll start taking more.....drastic measures
Launch a counterattack at Salem's forces and defeat her conventionally? If he was capable of that in the first place, he wouldn't have resorted to lifting Atlas way into the atmosphere to begin with
Go back to the original plan of restoring global communications and call for help from the other nations? Arguably the best option he has left in the corner that he has driven himself into, it's still a longshot. Vale is still rebuilding from the fall of Beacon, Mistral had their elite hunters and headmaster systematically stamped out (not to mention the bad blood between the two nations) and Vacuo is too far away, is a desert country with barely enough resources for itself as it is and doesn't care. Plus, Atlas has pretty much burned all the metaphorical bridges and goodwill it had with the other nations because of the whole dust embargo, so I don't see them helping out regardless
In conclusion, there is nothing beneficial about Ironwood's plan in terms of logistics and at best he's only buying for himself a little more time
@@floricel_112 You say buying time like that's a bad thing. Dying now and dying a few years from now have a very significant difference.
As to the next step, restoring global communications, warning everyone about the Grim, and evacuating the population from Atlas to save havens before dropping the city on top of Salem seems like a good starting point.
What he needed was time to take the pressure off. A workable plan now is better than a perfect plan that comes too late. His plan would buy time for that better plan to materialize.
Maybe enough time for Oz to tell him the staff does things other than make stuff float so he could use it to do more than make Atlas float better.
I knew there was a catch with the scrolls! No one just gives away the most advanced means of communication without a catch!
It's a cell phone equivalent, and established as a really commonplace piece of technology in Remnant.
That the ruler of a nation under martial law can deny declared enemies access to his communication infrastructure isn't a catch and it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.
6:04
I get the reference.
Edit: 2 references I get. Goddamit
2 kingdoms down 2 to go
10:15 you didn't listen either, James. You brought your fleet then, and it got hacked. So did your mechanical forces. You share as much of the blame for Beacon as Ozpin did
To be fair what reinforcing did Ozpin do? At least Ironwood tried to do something about the lack of security.
@@Cptsuccess yeah it did feel like Ozpin was an airhead now that we learn he had no plan at all
Because Ozpin warned him about his tech getting hacked... Sure...
@@YouthRightsRadical no, Ozpin told him not to bring his whole fleet because such a massive security force for just a sporting event will stress the people out. Ironwood insisted on bringing it in, saying that, when they look at his fleet, people feel safe instead, knowing they are protected
@@floricel_112 And it wasn't people being stressed out by the fleet that was the problem. You recall that right? How there was a massive terrorist attack and even Ozpin told Ironwood to use his fleet to save people?
8:10 you know, just because they are children, doesn't necessarily mean the adults have any better ideas
What makes you think that team RWBY has a better plan?
@@Cptsuccess no definitive plan for victory is not necessarily worse than a plan to abandon the civilian population to a Grimm fate.
@@falcore91 How?!? In what way does not having a plan be better than having a plan that actually has a chance of succeeding.
@@Cptsuccess RWBY and co had no definitive plan, but that didn’t mean they weren’t willing to be a part of whatever could be scraped together. Fighting as long as they can is a plan. Partnering with the citizens of Mantle to buy time for a more complete evacuation or even somehow holding the line is a plan. Bring a genius like Pietro into the fold and you might come up with the same escape plan that RWBY and co eventually settled on, but with the full cooperation of the Atlas military this could have been done more effectively and evacuated more critical resources with the populace.
There is a lot of risk in this kind of venture, particularly given the unknowns (like not knowing exactly how strong the force that is coming will be). But there is an immense amount of risk to simply running, and a very clear cost that shouldn’t be considered acceptable.
@@falcore91 The cost is the same on both sides.
9:05 I think Ironwood could take him
More rwby thoughts winter
Can you do neo's thoughts of vol 8
In due time
@@CrumblingCube :D thank u so much
3:55 I see the general wants to go full Columbia on the city of Atlas
EDIT: you know, this might just be me not fully familiar with the lore, but this DOES raise the question: how big is Remnant exactly and the countries that form it? Are they full blown continental sized countries, average size with a few cities and a capital in each country, or the size of a slightly bigger city-state with a bit of territory each so hey can have 2-3 cities? Cause the city and country of Atlas, minus the land down below used for mining, seem to be the same thing, Mantle seems to be a different entity from Atlas and that base Atlas had in Mistral seems more like a base of operation that part of the territory itself. How spread out and numerous is the human population exactly?
I’m under the impression that the kingdoms are more like city states than full blown nations. It doesn’t seem that there is more than one or two major cities per kingdom, and only in areas that are geographically optimal for defense. Attempts at expansion have also had limited success, for example Mountain Glenn.
Edit: although while the vast majority of the populations are concentrated in the capital cities it looks like there are plenty of small rural outposts/villages in a broader territory that probably don’t attract the same quantity of Grimm as a proper city would.
What
I said the W word
W h a t
Ironwood: graet more beacon huntsman and huntress wait what the F Barry azul: ironwood you need help we can do this as a team plz li indigo: barry is right you need us Ulm cobolt: we can kill salem togather plz Electra aqua plz ironwood team RWBY will tell everyone about salem plz team RWBY: team BLUE come on let's go ( vol 8 ) Barry azul: hey ruby rose we will tell everyone about salem Ruby rose: ok barry azul that's done so what now ok let's go to shade ok barry azul Barry azul: ok but 1 thing F ironwood he can get his fate ok death and can we make it Blake hex: oh no you will not make it in time you MF'S Barry azul it's blake hex he is here to no team RWBY Cinder fall you B no my team where are they? Cinder fall: they was easy to win and see them die and for you Blake hex you are done to Barry azul: HEX WHAT EVER YOU DO NOT LET GO!!! Blake hex: ok azul i wont!? Winter: no barry azul no Barry/Blake: nooo- Winter no Jaune Arc: we need to go now Winter: you are going to pay for everything for wait you just done!!! No jaune arc Jàck høllöw: Lie ren where is everyone? Lie ren: i do not know Jàck i do not know team JASH team SLVR NYON DARK CCRM ok all team's keep on fighting we can do this ok team (all team's ) JASH,SLVR,NYON,DARK and CCRM: ok lie ren let's do this!!! (The end for now ) but that's my P O V ok so yeah and peace out :)
Some asian
To be fair James had a point. Team RWBY ruined everything
Salem and co ruined everything. In the face of this RWBY and co had to make some hard calls, just like Ironwood did. For RWBY and co to have gone along with Ironwood at this point would have been to abandon their ultimate mission, to renounce the Promise that makes them worthy of being called huntsmen/huntresses.
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