The Wing Chun training stance (as shown in the Siu Lim Tao demo) is not one that would be used in a real situation. It's used merely for training the legs. In a forward stance (the stance you're more likely to use), the back leg is one that looks like the training stance. As the stance is 70% weighted on the back leg, kicking the front leg will not compromise balance. Sorry for my poor description. If you can find a video of wing chun forward stance, it would help you to understand :)
Good question plasboy. After a decade of "practical" ma, practitioners often go for this type of refined advanced training. I've never previously seen or heard of this man but he is a master, notice how he only uses as much strength as is needed, and generates force from within. No, this isn't particularly effective in a fight unless someone tells you the principles, but if you can already fight, this is a smart way to train power.
I meet Tsui Sheung Tin whilst I was training in Hong Kong with Ip Ching/ Samuel Kwok. (Never trained with him though!!) He is a great Wing Chun exponent, that's all I can say on the matter. But he certainly is A MASTER!!
In my opinion Tsui Shong Tin's specialty and main focus is on power generation and force vectors.He will take a fully resisting person and push and pull them in any fashion he wants. Im not talking about you push I pull type stuff. I mean if you are blocking he will punch through and your arm will collapse under the pressure.
For those who don't know, that's first form of wing chun, it's purpose is to teach the main techniques in wing chun, so that they'll become as reflexes.
@jwhitenstall Let me elaborate this. I've learned 3 to 4 kinds of Wing Chun. The way he positioned the punch, etc - is the most accurate due to natural instinct to express the strokes for a human body (if we were to protect & attack centerline). There are many 'masters' out there who had corrupted the forms. The side-effects are:scattered chi, tightness of muscle along spine,shoulders & neck. In summary,in this era, TST might be the only one who knows proper alignment for Wing Chun system.
may not look too interesting brains05, but damn this guy's good! ShivaHK do you have the video of his stance while he stands on the scales at the 1st vt world conference? i study with one of his students, a tiny man, and his energy is enough to throw me (a big guy with a few years training) around the room, SO easily. apparently chu shong tin does the same to him. awesome.
One of the reasons Sigung doesn't like being posted on social sites such as this is the lack of understanding of the concepts. He has a very benevolent view point but is not interested in wasting his time people who have a low skill level and understanding. His is the most highly skilled Master who does not call himself Sigung, this has been conferred by others out of respect for his high level of ability and development of the internal side of the system.
Yes. By moving with a determind focus and by paying attention to proper breathing, it is thought that one can cultivate Ch'i. This practice began to originate With Bodhidarma in the Shaolin Temple in 520 A.D. It was later developed further by Taoism. This led to the creation of T'ai Ch'i Chuan.
I am going to hong kong this november to train with Ip Chin and my sifu has arranged a two day workshop with Tsiu Sheung Tin based on Sil Lim Tao, I felt the need to share that :D
This is the subconcious control of your muscles controlled by a concious command. In other words you train muscle memory which is then triggered through focus. It is hard to explain, but surprising when you see it demonstrated, because it produces strength you don't know you had - sort of similar to the way sleep-walking people are very strong - the subconcious knows how to control your muscles better than the concious does!
true power and beauty of wing chun or 1st form lies within and it can not be seen. but when applied in combat its explosive and no one can survive it... and thats not boring, its perfect, like poetry in motion... hehehe...
Interesting little idea form, thankyou. With regards his centre gaurd being 'low', if he is a tall man, fighting shorter opponents, then his gaurd hand is at the optimal angle. Peace.
best form I see on the net. This form should be done slower but I think because of video taping he speed it up. He doing slow to gather energy internally. This to exercise the chi, not because so he can pick up the form easily. Wing Chun form is not pre-arrange kata. It's use for perfecting each technique so you can apply to chi sao application. I wish one day I have a chance to train with him or even met him would be an honor.
I've a learned a few syllabuses of Wing Chun. And all of them are not equivalent to his. His Wing Chun is indeed pure & powerful. Those in the market are diluted & messed up. Especially the forms, total corruption. Really hope to learn from Master TST. He's one of the best.
for all you guys who think they kno better, this is a great grand master who is considered the best WC master in the world. he trained more closely with Yip Man than any other and Yip Man publically admitted Sheung Tin's skills surpassed his own. that there is real WC, so thanks to all the people who like big flashes and backflips for their ignorant comments.
Your're right dude dont let other people tell you otherwise, you know the start stop, fast flicking version of the form?, avoid it! it should be completely the same speed the whole time very hard to do indeed
1st form of wing chun called Si lum Tao which means little idea. This form teaches you the basics of wing chun and sets a strong root for the next two forms... although my style is slightlt different from this demonstration.
his moves are readable and accurate like a teacher.. he loks like he doesn't want to fit when he's doing his form.. and he bows in the end.. notice how in other videos in youtube.. they hardly even bow after doing sim lim tao.. and he's doing it slowly so he can pick it up in his mind more easily. ridicule me if you wish but this is reflex and chess in your mind
@jomushin7 They might come from Yip Man, but the reason why Yip Man allowed them to explore was because it can't be taught mechanically. And those who misinterpreted it, impart that 'mechanical' instruction to their followers. And they thought able to hit = I have mastered Wing Chun. Anyway, I'm glad tat u'd that enlightenment too, at least u stopped hurting ur body with the improper forms. Hope to discuss more with u in future.
thanks i like your imput and also those who keep it positive and realistic as well.. whether pow i just got hit in the face justplaying just playing amitofou
anybody have a guud suggested site for a guud siu lim tao explaination and application? I am learing it, but always get confused when I work from Gan-Sao till the end part, not sure what the correct movement or the applications or the physics behind it is rite, any master or veteran can give advice?
yehh, well with TKD you dont stay fixed, (sorry if i sounds like im calling you thick, but i dont know if you have an TKD experience?) so we tend to stay light on a our feet allowing fluidity and easy manouvrebility to counter and strike the opponent
pompeyfcgod, you might be right - it's so hard to tell when you see another's style! My opinion though, is that you are wrong. I have studied with Chu Shong Tin's European representative, and he explained to me this relaxed approach. He performs thr form in this way to practice 'nim lik', which translates as 'mind/intent force'.
My SiFu - Mui Tsung Chee, I believe he is one of the practitioners of SiFu (SiGong)Tsui Sheung Tin, see if anyone knows about my SiFu. Cause I have lost contact with him. Thanks.
@jomushin7 Hi, ur from Wing Tsun? It's ok, ur kind, we're just exchanging opinions, no worries.The research of Wing Chun tat I'm doing's beyond contemporary artists' understanding. I felt something wrong with W.C. tats why I had learned from many lineages. Corrupted Wing Chun has side-effect on us which leads to Body-Deformation along the spine & neck..Many chose to ignore unless they learn Yoga to feel the proper alignment of body.By right,all arts should result in same body-alignment.
Wing Chun forms aren't known for they're dazzling moves. I don't know how true it is but I'm told that the forms are considered by many Chinese to be an 'ugly'. The beauty in Wing Chun for me is it's simplicity and use of economical movements.
what i mean is that while everyone is doing sim lim tao with power on the wrist turn and some are using unnecessary moves.. tho' it's classical he puts effort in his punching, jan jeung. tan saus he's doing the performance in his way to show ok. this is how master whoever does it .. it maybe rigid at times.. the wrist turning may lack that ummph but thr techniques i'm putting i've done.. and that's what's going on i'm doing it ^__^
umm, this guy can stand on a st of scales and have 2 big guys push him and his measley weight of 60 kgs is increadsed to the combined weight of the 2 pushers and he is not moved seriously think again, no trouble with you dude he's pretty good for a seventy year old he has actually got a mad inch punch believe it or not, please reply
I guess a lot of people don't realize that Wing Chun, like most Gung-fu in it's original form, is VERY chi-oriented. Tense, rapid-firing boxing is fun to watch, but it's not the way it started. Relaxed, concentrated, touch sensitive Wing Chun is how it was. After all, it was (according to most historical records) a style developed by a woman to defend against larger opponents, not a brute boxing sport.
I do this style of Wing Chun, but you're right looking closer at the video is not going to help your understanding. Its really just a mental exercise. You need to know what to feel and how to direct your mental focus in order for it to be of any value. Just looking at the movements is not going to teach you anything.
Well the people in the video i posted are on the right track with the Wingchun, but for the most part you might as well train something else for your standup needs.
actualy, do me a favour seeing as you love this guy so much yet hate wing tsun,,, watch this vidio again BUT! read the banner behind him. he is from wing tsun.
Thats just it though to be WingChun The MARTIAL ART You have to pass the only prerequisite which is to Fight, So you can say all you want that the people i showed you in the video clip arent real wingchun and maybe you are right if wingchun was originally a DANCE then known as a martial art later, That would make "REAL WINGCHUN" a dance and the "MARTIAL ART WINGCHUN" would have to be the fighting art.
I hope one day my kung fu is as good as this. Chu Shong Tin is a great master, some of the comments below are ignorant and degrading. It's a shame . Everyone is entitled to their opinion, one of mine for example is that not everyone should be allowed to breed.
@RicHimself I'm from Hong Kong, Cantonese is my mother tongue, and you are wrong. "Hard work" is one of the sub-meanings, but the word generally isn't used in that context. Saying that "Hard Work" as the definition of "Gong Fu", is very misleading.
Chui/Shui/Xu/Tsui its his surname, he is SiGung Tsui in this case, dun matter much its just most chinese pay homage to masters like with a Title and his Surname. BTW Nim Lik...it ha to be subconcious, but conciously maybe most of wing chun enthusiast maybe have a guud Siu Nim Tao site to show me :)
To me it doesn't matter =] Because in chinese it's all the same xD Tsui Sheung Tin is from the Yip Man branch, as are the people practice with, but we go with wing chun, so there's no real variation in my opinion.
To those of you who like to fight against a proper WC school more closer to home near the USA intead of flying to Australia. Go to École Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu 10770, Lajeunesse Montréal, Québec H3L 2E8 Please bring camcorder and post back in youtube. Have fun.
he is a kung fu master. there is a vid of him standing on a scale with his feet together and a big 200+ pound dude is pushing on his hands, and he cant push this frail little man an inch.
@jomushin7 Hi, ur partially right. But definitely wrong about there's proper techniques to do wing chun. If only I could meet you, I would prove you. I have convinced existing Wing Chun students from other schools with my research and they agreed to my findings and some eventually quit from their schools. The understanding tat u've is external knowledge (stroke). Real martial art is about totality. U've to feel every bit of muscle,chi,position,sensation,etc.. U may read my blog to know more.
allso his wu sao is wrong as well wu sao is a throught protecter as anyone who does wing chun would know, but his wu sao is on his cheast... hmmm... how can he protect his neck when its at his cheast?
To the person that thinks that power is better your wrong it takes more than power only to win and dont underestimate a wing chun practioner espically a good one some ones out their are fakes.
Mr. Tsui is one of the best students and the tallest student of Yip Mun.
Very good kung fu !
The Wing Chun training stance (as shown in the Siu Lim Tao demo) is not one that would be used in a real situation. It's used merely for training the legs.
In a forward stance (the stance you're more likely to use), the back leg is one that looks like the training stance. As the stance is 70% weighted on the back leg, kicking the front leg will not compromise balance.
Sorry for my poor description. If you can find a video of wing chun forward stance, it would help you to understand :)
This Sir is awesome, he's like water, one of the best. Thanks for sharing Sir. JJ
nice form. his sharp motions display the amazing power of wing chun.
Good question plasboy. After a decade of "practical" ma, practitioners often go for this type of refined advanced training. I've never previously seen or heard of this man but he is a master, notice how he only uses as much strength as is needed, and generates force from within. No, this isn't particularly effective in a fight unless someone tells you the principles, but if you can already fight, this is a smart way to train power.
The closest anyone will ever get to the perfect structure, unmoveable. RIP Sigung
incredible. this is far and away the best clip of Siu Lim Tao on the web.
I meet Tsui Sheung Tin whilst I was training in Hong Kong with Ip Ching/ Samuel Kwok. (Never trained with him though!!) He is a great Wing Chun exponent, that's all I can say on the matter. But he certainly is A MASTER!!
I took him for a trip in the zoo like 10 years ago. He is a really nice guy and one of the true Sifu
In my opinion Tsui Shong Tin's specialty and main focus is on power generation and force vectors.He will take a fully resisting person and push and pull them in any fashion he wants. Im not talking about you push I pull type stuff. I mean if you are blocking he will punch through and your arm will collapse under the pressure.
For those who don't know, that's first form of wing chun, it's purpose is to teach the main techniques in wing chun, so that they'll become as reflexes.
@jwhitenstall Let me elaborate this. I've learned 3 to 4 kinds of Wing Chun. The way he positioned the punch, etc - is the most accurate due to natural instinct to express the strokes for a human body (if we were to protect & attack centerline). There are many 'masters' out there who had corrupted the forms. The side-effects are:scattered chi, tightness of muscle along spine,shoulders & neck. In summary,in this era, TST might be the only one who knows proper alignment for Wing Chun system.
may not look too interesting brains05, but damn this guy's good! ShivaHK do you have the video of his stance while he stands on the scales at the 1st vt world conference? i study with one of his students, a tiny man, and his energy is enough to throw me (a big guy with a few years training) around the room, SO easily. apparently chu shong tin does the same to him. awesome.
Finally someone said it, DEFLECTION! NOT blocking thankyou very much sir
One of the reasons Sigung doesn't like being posted on social sites such as this is the lack of understanding of the concepts. He has a very benevolent view point but is not interested in wasting his time people who have a low skill level and understanding. His is the most highly skilled Master who does not call himself Sigung, this has been conferred by others out of respect for his high level of ability and development of the internal side of the system.
Yes. By moving with a determind focus and by paying attention to proper breathing, it is thought that one can cultivate Ch'i. This practice began to originate With Bodhidarma in the Shaolin Temple in 520 A.D. It was later developed further by Taoism. This led to the creation of T'ai Ch'i Chuan.
THE BEST OF THEM ALL!
I am going to hong kong this november to train with Ip Chin and my sifu has arranged a two day workshop with Tsiu Sheung Tin based on Sil Lim Tao, I felt the need to share that :D
looks just like the siu lim tao I was taught! Although i was taught to do it even slower... good workout for the legs.
This is the subconcious control of your muscles controlled by a concious command. In other words you train muscle memory which is then triggered through focus. It is hard to explain, but surprising when you see it demonstrated, because it produces strength you don't know you had - sort of similar to the way sleep-walking people are very strong - the subconcious knows how to control your muscles better than the concious does!
true power and beauty of wing chun or 1st form lies within and it can not be seen. but when applied in combat its explosive and no one can survive it... and thats not boring, its perfect, like poetry in motion... hehehe...
Interesting little idea form, thankyou. With regards his centre gaurd being 'low', if he is a tall man, fighting shorter opponents, then his gaurd hand is at the optimal angle. Peace.
best form I see on the net. This form should be done slower but I think because of video taping he speed it up. He doing slow to gather energy internally. This to exercise the chi, not because so he can pick up the form easily. Wing Chun form is not pre-arrange kata. It's use for perfecting each technique so you can apply to chi sao application.
I wish one day I have a chance to train with him or even met him would be an honor.
I just started and this is the first form i am learning
I've a learned a few syllabuses of Wing Chun. And all of them are not equivalent to his. His Wing Chun is indeed pure & powerful. Those in the market are diluted & messed up. Especially the forms, total corruption. Really hope to learn from Master TST. He's one of the best.
for all you guys who think they kno better, this is a great grand master who is considered the best WC master in the world. he trained more closely with Yip Man than any other and Yip Man publically admitted Sheung Tin's skills surpassed his own. that there is real WC, so thanks to all the people who like big flashes and backflips for their ignorant comments.
WONDERFUL, GM. TSUI SHEUNG TIN!! :)
This is Sigung Tsui Sheung Tin, 1 of 4 closed door student of Yip Man. Yip Man publically admitted Sheung Tin's Skills had surpassed his own.
very very nice to watch. big respect!!!
damn i love his pong sao, looks steady.. Too beautiful! :(
Your're right dude dont let other people tell you otherwise, you know the start stop, fast flicking version of the form?, avoid it! it should be completely the same speed the whole time very hard to do indeed
1st form of wing chun called Si lum Tao which means little idea. This form teaches you the basics of wing chun and sets a strong root for the next two forms...
although my style is slightlt different from this demonstration.
I train under this lineage.
Tsui Sheung Tin is my Sijo, Susanna Ho is my Sigung and Paul Simmons is my Sifu.
his moves are readable and accurate like a teacher.. he loks like he doesn't want to fit when he's doing his form.. and he bows in the end.. notice how in other videos in youtube.. they hardly even bow after doing sim lim tao..
and he's doing it slowly so he can pick it up in his mind more easily.
ridicule me if you wish but
this is reflex and chess in your mind
@ShivaHK -----hello,sihing
i am an italian student,please,where can i find sigung Tsui in hk? i would like to visit his school,if possible.thanks
truly inspirational!
Where did you learn that? Sounds interesting...
uh i learn in kogarah sydney nsw australia
the place is called HCH wing chun
Good concentration!
My respect!
@jomushin7 They might come from Yip Man, but the reason why Yip Man allowed them to explore was because it can't be taught mechanically. And those who misinterpreted it, impart that 'mechanical' instruction to their followers. And they thought able to hit = I have mastered Wing Chun. Anyway, I'm glad tat u'd that enlightenment too, at least u stopped hurting ur body with the improper forms. Hope to discuss more with u in future.
Leung Sheung did have a closed door student, as he was Yip Man's closed door student
thanks i like your imput and also those who keep it positive and realistic as well.. whether pow i just got hit in the face justplaying just playing
amitofou
anybody have a guud suggested site for a guud siu lim tao explaination and application? I am learing it, but always get confused when I work from Gan-Sao till the end part, not sure what the correct movement or the applications or the physics behind it is rite, any master or veteran can give advice?
Waw! you can just see the consentration in his eyes I do wing chun since i was 12 im 15 now by the way! Lol i like it so much I got a book on it :)
i can see some yellow parts on his uniform.is he a grand master?
wing tsun is wich chun just with a different name, hence why there stance is the same, they do all the moves from wing chun like pak sao and lop sao,
His Hui Gree Lan Chow form is superb
I agree with you...but somebody thought it said "wing tsun" as in Leung Ting's version...
years of training changes a person. one day to do something can also
also, i'd be really interested to hear what you think is so flawed and outdated in this style, especially in comparison to "wing tsun"
yehh, well with TKD you dont stay fixed, (sorry if i sounds like im calling you thick, but i dont know if you have an TKD experience?) so we tend to stay light on a our feet allowing fluidity and easy manouvrebility to counter and strike the opponent
and if he doesnt need to protect his neck why does he even do a wu sao?... explain that to me.
pompeyfcgod, you might be right - it's so hard to tell when you see another's style! My opinion though, is that you are wrong. I have studied with Chu Shong Tin's European representative, and he explained to me this relaxed approach. He performs thr form in this way to practice 'nim lik', which translates as 'mind/intent force'.
this guy is my grand master
My SiFu - Mui Tsung Chee, I believe he is one of the practitioners of SiFu (SiGong)Tsui Sheung Tin, see if anyone knows about my SiFu. Cause I have lost contact with him. Thanks.
@jomushin7 Hi, ur from Wing Tsun? It's ok, ur kind, we're just exchanging opinions, no worries.The research of Wing Chun tat I'm doing's beyond contemporary artists' understanding. I felt something wrong with W.C. tats why I had learned from many lineages. Corrupted Wing Chun has side-effect on us which leads to Body-Deformation along the spine & neck..Many chose to ignore unless they learn Yoga to feel the proper alignment of body.By right,all arts should result in same body-alignment.
It's not the art that makes one great, it's the practioner.
@bearbear88888888 Actually Kung/Gong Fu means "Hard Work", bur you're right ;)
Wing Chun forms aren't known for they're dazzling moves. I don't know how true it is but I'm told that the forms are considered by many Chinese to be an 'ugly'. The beauty in Wing Chun for me is it's simplicity and use of economical movements.
Exactly sir thank you!
Can someone please tell me whats so special aubout this man?
what do u mean he looks like he doesnt want to fit?
what i mean is that while everyone is doing sim lim tao with power on the wrist turn and some are using unnecessary moves.. tho' it's classical he puts effort in his punching, jan jeung. tan saus
he's doing the performance in his way
to show ok. this is how master whoever does it
.. it maybe rigid at times.. the wrist turning may lack that ummph but thr techniques i'm putting i've done.. and that's what's going on
i'm doing it ^__^
umm, this guy can stand on a st of scales and have 2 big guys push him and his measley weight of 60 kgs is increadsed to the combined weight of the 2 pushers and he is not moved seriously think again, no trouble with you dude he's pretty good for a seventy year old he has actually got a mad inch punch believe it or not, please reply
very well said.
I guess a lot of people don't realize that Wing Chun, like most Gung-fu in it's original form, is VERY chi-oriented. Tense, rapid-firing boxing is fun to watch, but it's not the way it started. Relaxed, concentrated, touch sensitive Wing Chun is how it was. After all, it was (according to most historical records) a style developed by a woman to defend against larger opponents, not a brute boxing sport.
I do this style of Wing Chun, but you're right looking closer at the video is not going to help your understanding. Its really just a mental exercise. You need to know what to feel and how to direct your mental focus in order for it to be of any value. Just looking at the movements is not going to teach you anything.
why? where did you get that from?
Well the people in the video i posted are on the right track with the Wingchun, but for the most part you might as well train something else for your standup needs.
i hope this guy isnt planning on protecting himself with that, he might as well hit the can already
what is chi sauing?
GO Chu Shong Tin!!! :) legend
ShivaHK : I am sorry, I have forgotten to say that I was in Hong Kong when I learned Wing Chun.
actualy, do me a favour seeing as you love this guy so much yet hate wing tsun,,, watch this vidio again BUT! read the banner behind him. he is from wing tsun.
Yeah indeed
Thats just it though to be WingChun The MARTIAL ART You have to pass the only prerequisite which is to Fight, So you can say all you want that the people i showed you in the video clip arent real wingchun and maybe you are right if wingchun was originally a DANCE then known as a martial art later, That would make "REAL WINGCHUN" a dance and the "MARTIAL ART WINGCHUN" would have to be the fighting art.
I hope one day my kung fu is as good as this.
Chu Shong Tin is a great master, some of the comments below are ignorant and degrading. It's a shame . Everyone is entitled to their opinion, one of mine for example is that not everyone should be allowed to breed.
@RicHimself I'm from Hong Kong, Cantonese is my mother tongue, and you are wrong. "Hard work" is one of the sub-meanings, but the word generally isn't used in that context. Saying that "Hard Work" as the definition of "Gong Fu", is very misleading.
I will master this form...
Chui/Shui/Xu/Tsui its his surname, he is SiGung Tsui in this case, dun matter much its just most chinese pay homage to masters like with a Title and his Surname. BTW Nim Lik...it ha to be subconcious, but conciously maybe most of wing chun enthusiast maybe have a guud Siu Nim Tao site to show me :)
I am a part of this linage, He is sifu to my sifu :P Also I have met him.
To me it doesn't matter =] Because in chinese it's all the same xD
Tsui Sheung Tin is from the Yip Man branch, as are the people practice with, but we go with wing chun, so there's no real variation in my opinion.
Yep, thanks for proving how compliantly drilled wing chun is the best ever. oh wait, you did prove it right?
To those of you who like to fight against a proper WC school more closer to home near the USA intead of flying to Australia. Go to
École Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu
10770, Lajeunesse
Montréal, Québec
H3L 2E8
Please bring camcorder and post back in youtube. Have fun.
YES!
he is a kung fu master. there is a vid of him standing on a scale with his feet together and a big 200+ pound dude is pushing on his hands, and he cant push this frail little man an inch.
this infact is not traditional wing chung , i think this is tsung wing chung
i agree its a bad idea, to me after practicing tae kwondo for nearly 5 years, this stance is to open leaving to much for the opponent to attack.
@jomushin7 Hi, ur partially right. But definitely wrong about there's proper techniques to do wing chun. If only I could meet you, I would prove you. I have convinced existing Wing Chun students from other schools with my research and they agreed to my findings and some eventually quit from their schools. The understanding tat u've is external knowledge (stroke). Real martial art is about totality. U've to feel every bit of muscle,chi,position,sensation,etc.. U may read my blog to know more.
actually it says Ving Tsun
lol I could just picture a MMA fighter rush the stage and fuckening crush the old man.. As like a UFC advertisement.
his son is, dude
allso his wu sao is wrong as well wu sao is a throught protecter as anyone who does wing chun would know, but his wu sao is on his cheast... hmmm... how can he protect his neck when its at his cheast?
Like chi goong and thi chi
that why when i goto take a shit at nite half asleep i get bigger piles but forget to flush kiyaaa
DO you see what written in the black flag WING TSUN not wing chun!
wing chun, wing tsun and ving tsun are all the same thing, just different variations,
To the person that thinks that power is better your wrong it takes more than power only to win and dont underestimate a wing chun practioner espically a good one some ones out their are fakes.
Nim Lik
this is just a training ma of course you wouldn't use it in application, but i don't like the form