Years ago an American friend staying in England was involved in a car accident, not too serious but bumped about and a few cuts from flying glass. She was taken to hospital by ambulance, treated as an emergency, various scans and x rays to check no hidden damage. Released with some pain medication, she then asked the nurse "how will i be billed?" . She said she had never seen a more confused expression. "Billed? We're a hospital you don't pay us" .
I work in the NHS and I think the UK as a whole has an philosophy that you 'work to live', not 'live to work' as in the reason I work is to provide for my family and for us to have a little money to do nice things with our lives, my reason for existing isn't just to work and nor should it be. What sort of life is that? Life is too short and I don't need to work 100 hours a week to pay for more material stuff that I probably don't really need and don't have time to use.
The US has definitely become a “live to work” country. The pandemic has caused many people to rethink that, but most people have little power to alter the expectations of their employers.
1. More pay per hour 2. More supportive at different levels 3. Free structured training 4. Availability of Non-training jobs 5. More locum opportunities opportunities 6. Free National healthcare services 7. Leaves: study leaves, annual leave 8. Parental leave 9. Less than full time 10. Not a rat race
1 more pay per hour... this isn't even close to true lol.. (this is only true for low grade doctors lol) specialties or above americans make far more.. this is basic stats error lol, i won't respond to the other stuff since i only care about money, lol
My wife and I now both retired worked most of our careers in the NHS in non clinical roles. Our marriage took a bump in the road and the NHS paid for counselling with Relate a non NHS service. We were eternally grateful and the counselling helped us work through our problems. I am so proud to have worked for the NHS and the NHS does look after its staff.
I fell off my pushbike and broke my femar whilst going to a training course in Bristol. I was taken to the BRI. The doctor there decided that as I was only 50 years old he would do the surgery differently which has been great. After over a week I was discharged and returned to Taunton where I lived and the care of the local general hospitel. I was put on a 6 week OT outpatient program, going into the hospital every few days. At the time I was living alone as I was in the early stages of a nasty divorce and pretty fragil emotionally. When my 6 weeks OT was coming to an end they extended it for another six weeks. Not because I wasn't making progress with my physical recovery but because they felt I would benefit from the emontional support of seeing someone and being cared about. It was never spoken about in that way, it wasn't a formal thing it was just something they did. It probably saved my life!
Hello i want to ask some questions if my husband is already in uk working as a doctor who is also completed his mbbs from another country now mine mbbs also done so what will benefit for me if now i want to go in uk
Your experience of working in the NHS (pay, leave, training) is the same as mine working in a Bank, and I would expect would also be the same for any company in the U.K. & Europe.
You must be talking about high street retail banking. The average trainee in investment banking earn usually earn several times that of a trainee doctor.There is NO comparison between NHS pay and profit generating investment banking job salaries. It's like comparing apples and tomatoes.
@@bluesboy39 Based on the fact that @john Simmons said he works in a bank, I imagine high street banking is exactly what he means. If he were in investment banking he would probably have stated that. I doubt if comparing apples with tomatoes ever crossed his mind.
Fascinating. This is one excellent review from an American doctor in the NHS. I hope we get more like you. To be medically treated at no extra expense is fantastic. Worrying about how to pay for treatment would petrify me.
Thanks for giving me such an uplift. It's easy to forget the advantages your own country offers you until you hear someone who's come from somewhere else and see it through new eyes. Glad you're here by the way, the more doctors we have the better.
Great video! I'm currently training to be an occupational therapist in Manchester and due to qualify next year. I know it's a lot different to being a doctor but your comments have made me realise how fortunate I am to be working in the NHS. I value flexibility and a good work/life balance and it makes me sad that this is not always attainable for healthcare professionals in other countries.
Amazing video! I have recently been in hospital with the NHS and I just kept thinking how awful it would be if on top of being sick I was worried about paying for the care I required to literally live! I find it so ironic that USA health insurance makes you so stressed and stress is such a major contributor to health 😬 my grandad is a born American and the older I get the more I understand why he moved to the UK as soon as he became an adult
Great video. All I've mostly seen is really negative things about working as a doctor in the UK, especially the basic salary. Allot of just believe lies and stereotypes without doing enough research.
I hear a lot of misinformation from Republicans about the UK NHS. Deliberate I’m sure, in order to maintain the status quo. There are too many, so called, law makers making so much money there is no way they want to change.
@@graememudie7921 lobbists who will go to any lengths to convince the U.S government to continue the type of health system that put profits above people's welfare. The perpetuation of a lie that demonises the British NHS and any other care system that puts people before profit . A classic example of extreme capitalism in the U.S.
You're excellent at explaining things and I can see you like high standards. Congratulations! Keep up the good work. If I ever need a doctor I hope I'll find one like you. Good on you, girl.
I just sort of wandered into this video but boy am I glad I did!!! I'm an Indian IMG and was stressing so much over deciding US/UK/India and this was really REALLY eye-opening. Truly put things into perspective. Thank you so much for this!
Really enjoy hearing the experience from someone from abroad about life in the UK. Sometimes we Brits can be a bit spoilt and compain too much! Thansk for your honest, and very complimentary view of our country. Keep well, keep safe, and THANKS for all the work you have done for our precious NHS!
You know, I'm an intern here in Brazil, and throughout college, I've always questioned this so-called "rat race" that most doctors down here are stuck on. They don't fully get down to their motives. As an intern, I feel like a fish out of water because I refuse to take the conventional steps that most of my colleagues do: They graduate, get into residency programs, struggle with time, struggle with money, become specialists, get a job and sell their hours to sponsor a style of life that is expected for a Brazilian doctor. In the end, Medicine is all they've lived. I`ve really identified myself with your last reason: Leave the rat race! Good Job Dr. Ibreez
Welcome to the club, mate! I´m from Brazil too and I don´t regret my decision to leave Brazil. I have always felt like a fish out of water when I was a student too. And as you might know the culture, a lot of people study medicine for status and money, I just wasn´t in medical school for that. Congratulations, I´m sure you´ll be an awesome doctor. Come to the UK, you´ll be very happy here =)
@@tetelribeiro Awesome story .And I can see your getting more and more intertwined in local culture by your "Mate" comment 😂😂Absolutely loved it 😂And thank you for your contribution service I to the UK obrigado Ana 😁✌️
As an internal medicine physician working in hospital medicine in USA, i work 42 hours on an average per week. I work one week on and one week off and make around $300,000 per year. My work pays for my health insurance, my contribution towards insurance is about 400$ per month for a family of four.
Most people call it hospitalists, but you'd be the first I know not doing 12 hour days a week on. My friends in the same role are looking to only continue for a short period before further specializing given the high rate of burnout from the hours and workload. But I suppose we all do what works best for us.
i agree with the fact that the UK training system is structured in a way to be supportive to trainees. I completed my anaesthetics Training in the North West region (Manchester) and I have to say that I received a lot of support from passing the exams to fulfil the anaesthetic training requirements to get into the GMC specialist register . I am very thankful to the North West school of anaesthesia .
This training, no matter what job you do training is paid for and your out of pocket costs covered that goes for any job in the uk in any company or organisation. The trade off is we get better trained staff.
This is my first time watching any of your videos and I’m highly impressed . I love the fact that you speak from knowledge and not heresy. A very concise and robust view that should be watched by any person in your caring profession whatever side of the pond you live. I have subscribed and look forward to many more. Best wishes to you and yours.Rab
Happy that you have found a place to apply your learned skills and be relatively content with your situation. The fluency of your narrative in this presentation is impressive. The NHS is the UKs Jewel in what's left of our Crown, and your commitment to it is wonderful. Thank you and I hope your time here is everything you desire, we are grateful to have you here.
Randomly found this video and found it super interesting. Can I say Thank you! To you and anyone who works in the NHS. Thank you for all you do! You are all national treasure's
It's so shocking that the medical stuff in the states has like a 1000% markup on what actually should be reasonably charged, from medication to hospital rooms, yet the medical staff apparently don't get paid that well
@@paulm2467 Doctors that do not want to be businessmen, sadly, wind up retiring as soon as the can afford it. My understanding is that this is a huge contributor to the medical doctor shortage in the US.
The NHS and civil service do have lower wages than the private sector but employees see the decent pension attractive compared to the private sector pension if Companies have one.
Hello Ibreez , I started watching your RUclips channel recently and love watching them. I have a small doubt regarding doctors in English Premier League teams. How do they hire , how's the work culture , what's the pay and most importantly do they hire IMGs. If they don't , then how can an IMG become a doctor for a Premier League Football Club ?
Dr. Ibreez; absolutely so grateful for such videos. You and Dr. ibrahim are absolute gems!. Thank you for your endless guidance. May Allah watch over you and shower his blessings upon you❤️.
on the pay scale me and my then wife earned together a lot of ££ but her sister and her husband who lived in Switzerland earned 3 times that WOW! but the cost of living was 3 times higher, worked out we were almost equal even with the difference, sounded good 3 times more but it all evens out depending where you live.
The X6 income mortgages on offer in the UK are worth a mention as well. So a doctor couple on £100,000 each could buy a £1.3 million house if they have a 10% deposit.
Life is not just about working and working until you drop. Money is nice but a life is better. Even if you decide to return to the USA at least you have experience and can actually comment on it rather than the many US citizens I see in videos saying its all socialism and it is bad etc etc. Welcome to working to live not living to work. 😊 Good luck.
I needed a video like this, thank you very much! It's weird that you find a lot of people on the internet ( reddit,twitter ) criticizing being a doctor in the UK saying it's very bad, they really paint a bad discouraging image about perusing being a doctor in the UK so it's great to see your point of view about this!
I understand calling an ambulance in the US can cost thousands of dollars. And the inhaler I use cost around 400 dollars to by in the US. Is this correct?
Yes, the costs can be exorbitant. I did a comparison video on my experience of having surgery in the NHS vs what it would have cost in the USA that you can see here- ruclips.net/video/GGpeI1tEejw/видео.html
Wife did 40 years nursing in the NHS . If it was terrible I dont think she would have stuck it for so long. Mind you shes been in the Red Cross for 50 years so I think she's obsessed with helping people.
@@RoadToUK the more the merrier 😁 I love travelling in the States, it's such an amazing country but in some respects it seems so hamstrung. The more we share and learn the better we will all be, and a national health service is revolutionary for a society.
I could say hands down to transparency and precise guidelines from dr ibreez and dr ivan they make things very understandable and easy to digest and that is something that made me to subscribe and watch all of their videos and courses..you guys are my mentors💕💕...really been chasing my dream waiting to get graduated and get on the road to uk...and maybe someday will meet Dr ivan and dr ibreez you guys are amazing....keep up the good work...May Allah bless you both...much love❤🌼😇
What a wonderful video! My God… it helped me soothe my worries to a great extent, this is the kind of life I’m looking for, not be constantly stressed about the rat race like back in my home country.. May be this is a sign. I’ve always wanted to enjoy the process and Oh you summed it all so well matching my thoughts word to word.
Did you do a medical residency in the USA? If not, the title of this video is a little misleading. I doubt any US citizens who complete an American medical school (not including Caribbean) would choose going to the UK rather than pursuing a medical residency in the USA. Sure, the life of a resident is more demanding, but the road to becoming an attending is shorter and the compensation is much, much greater.
Yup! Many American doctors work in the NHS. Weirdly enough, we aren't all about cash in place of patient care. The road to attending is on average 3-8 years in both countries, depending on the specialty. And, well, should life not be easier and well compensated along the way as it is in the UK? Also the compensation you speak of is simply monetary. Imagine having happy and satisfied patients who aren't worried about going bankrupt. Imagine patients not needing to go to Mexico or Canada for basic care. Preventive medicine saves so many lives, but in the States, many Americans are too poor to afford a basic human right. Please also see: ruclips.net/video/6DQgLl7s7eo/видео.html
I am an Anesthesiologist from the U.S. contemplating relocating to London. I have been in U.S. practice for over 10 years. Can you please refer me to a resource page which will help me look into this further; i.e. weighing pros vs. cons ... and a good explanation of the path required to take this forward. TY!
Health care in the USA is just another business whilst in the UK health care is a basic right. Life in the UK means working around 37hrs per week, enjoying at least 4 weeks paid holidays, earning a minimum 8.91 pounds per hour living wage, receiving free education, enjoying about 30 hrs per week free nursery service and a plethora of measures incorporated in this country's pioneering and comprehensive welfare estate. Benefits spending in the UK is around 300 bn us dollars. USA spending on benefits is around 450 bn dollars per year. UK pop 68 million. USA pop 330 million. Great video which puts highly paid broadcasters to Shame.
More like 6 weeks paid holiday for most in the UK. I have a hypothesis that corporate America doesn't grant its employees much holiday time in order to prevent them visiting other countries and seeing how much better employees are treated elsewhere. The US calls itself "The land of the free" but its employees are less free than those practically anywhere else in the world. And I say this as a supporter of capitalist democracy
Loved it.. The way u presented it... Intricate details... Emphasising on doing things that can't be replaced.. I mean watching this video itself was relaxing!!
How do you find the pay affecting the job role? I see a lot of videos from med school insiders saying in the US different roles pay more whereas the UK i understand has the same pay for each job. In the US do you find people choosing specialities to chase the money? And in the UK do you find doctors choose their specialities depending on their interests as pay isn't an influencing factor?
There are definitely some US based doctors who concentrate on salary for their specialty, especially the options to go private or open a clinic. For UK doctors, haven't heard that so much or really at all.
Glad you chose to come to the UK to work.I hope you enjoy your time here and hope more Americans choose to come here to make our country thrive.Thanks.
My young neighbours when I lived in England both worked for different branches of the government. When they started their family she for obv reasons took the initial parental leave, baby needs its mum earlier in the life. She went back to work and he took the other 1/2 of their shared parental leave, they had 2 kids while we were neighbours.
I don't understand why people in the US believe socialised healthcare is evil, we have a higher life expectancy, fewer suicides and less people going bankrupt thanks to universal healthcare. Just goes to show how capitalism has taken over in the US.
I've heard people from AMERICA say they wouldn't want a "SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE" like ENGLAND .And one woman said I don't want the government to know about my health??? 🤯 Like the government don't know bout her already 🤣😂🤣😂
Hi Dr. Ibreez, I think you should also extend the pay discussion to include Consultants salaries in USA vs UK. After all, we are not going to be trainees for the whole life. These videos help people decide their future career and lives and this simple addition may make them turn their paths other way around. And I do love your videos a lot. Thank you
Hi, we will be doing two videos on the salaries at training and consultant levels. While we understand the obsession with the USA attending salary, many get caught up with a number without understanding both sides.
Very interesting video! I'm actually the opposite case--planning to go from the UK to the US system, but its helpful to hear someone play the devil's advocate. Will definitely need to learn more about the US training system!
Oh my gosh! I’m so glad that this was in my recommended! Thank you for your insights and thank you even MORE for your service. We really appreciate you, God bless 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Why do you think the hours worked would reduce for attendings in the USA? If anything, many attendings still report doing close to or just below the same number of hours as they had done as residents.
Its a pleasure to hear an impartial opinion on the UK NHS from a non British person, yet the British naysayer is always knocking their country and NHS. Very informative video, well done video.
I am a GP and have been in a dilemma about moving to US but your video is an eye opener. Just a feedback about the point that IMGs have to pay health surcharge of around £600 per person per year to cover health care cost during their stay. It stops only when you become a permanent resident after 5 years. But any how very well made video. Love NHS ❤️
Dr Ibreez, I’m not even in the medical field yet your video has inspired me to weigh my options in terms of being an American an working in the United Kingdom. Your message is for the masses! You’re an EXCELLENT presenter - and even the “Commenters” offer a wealth of insight and knowledge. Thanks!
One of my sons would like to move to the US. I think he’s mad. I’ve had really good experiences for both my sons births with the NHS and when I had an ovary removed due to a cyst…all without any any payments.
I have been a volunteer for an organisation called "defend the NHS." For several years in the UK, and have done a lot of research and truly understand the economics behind it how it has been underfuended, Because some politicians have interest in seeing it privatised.Unfortunately, the American system is having a negative effect on the British NHS, especially considering UK has had a very right-wing party in power now for over a decade.The NHS is still great, but the Wolves have gradually been digging away at it and the current right-wing party has been underfundin it gradually, because UK citizens rarely understand that paying more each year than the previous year for the NHS, is standard practice, due to inflation, but proper funding for universal healthcare system needs to be in keeping with other northern European models, e.g. 9%+, Than the previous year, but the current right-wing government has been paying slightly less than inflation every year, but shows the general public that they have been funding it more each year to pacifya them. It would really help the NHS if the US had some kind of revolution and more awareness was brought to the obvious and irrefutable superiority of universal health care systems.more communication generally between people in the Western world has an influence on others within that sphere has been underfundin it gradually, because UK citizens rarely understand that paying more each yea
great content....really awesome, I'm a gynaecologist from India recently completed my MRCOG and waiting to start my GMC process. I've been searching for content but I 've never found a video as helpful as your's. Thank you so much ❤
@@mistresscatty1 it’s pretty obvious that the UK is Christian country, but my point is that Christians get a Christmas holiday when they work in the Muslim country I currently live in.. so I asked. I don’t see why you’re so agitated?
I'm curious. Does the difference between the American insurance system, and the social system of the UK factor at all into it for you? Did you ever find yourself in America not being able to provide treatment you thought was necessary, because the insurance the patient had wouldn't cover it? Or was that never something you encountered? I'm a Brit (as if that wasn't obvious) and I can't say I know a great deal about how the American system works, but I am curious about how that works, and of course the effect that has on the Doctors who are trying their best to provide the 'right' treatment.
Yes of course. Knowing a person's insurance provider plays a great deal into their care and discharge. If they cannot pay for a certain medication they require to survive to stay out of hospital, it's not unheard of for one of us to call their provider and try and find a balance for their care. The greatest crisis occurs when a person is seriously ill and has to be taken to a hospital that is out of their network (ie not covered by their insurance) because it is closest. They will have another burden of cost.
@@RoadToUK Taking a guess, I imagine that's a hard thing to have to deal with... distracting from just focusing on care. Thank you for answering, I had wondered how much Doctors in America had to get involved in such decision making.
Thank you so much Dr. Ibreez for your devotion and help to us IMG’s all over the world! I would appreciate it and I believe many others would too,if you could share your personal Journey from Medical school through internship to the United Kingdom 🇬🇧. Please Please Doctor, this form of encouragement through your personal story would encourage many of us going through tough times and are in a transition phase of our medical journey’s. It would be of GREAT HELP TO ME PERSONALLY! Please Kindly think about making a video on this subject. Thank you 🙏 so much in anticipation!!!
What a wonderful video you have made there, every "stage" made easy to understand and I think maybe coincidental bigging up British healthcare compared to the US, the last section (10) reminded me of when I was at school learning French and the teacher said that we (the British) eat to live, while the French live to eat, at 7 years old I was too young to understand what she meant, but I see what it means now of course and you summed that up beautiful :)
thank you for this. this video is exactly what i need as of the moment to make clear choices. i have always been just looking at the US pathway, being a US-IMG, but this enlightened me in a whole lot of levels. thank you!!
Years ago an American friend staying in England was involved in a car accident, not too serious but bumped about and a few cuts from flying glass. She was taken to hospital by ambulance, treated as an emergency, various scans and x rays to check no hidden damage. Released with some pain medication, she then asked the nurse "how will i be billed?" . She said she had never seen a more confused expression. "Billed? We're a hospital you don't pay us" .
It truly is mind-blowing to us!
Accident and Emergency is free but hospitals are supposed to charge foreigners for the cost of medical treatment.
@@NickfromNLondon unless you paid for coverage
@@NickfromNLondon Yes, buut is negligibble
Isn’t all that money just taken from doctors? So it’s bad to be a doctor in UK then lol
I work in the NHS and I think the UK as a whole has an philosophy that you 'work to live', not 'live to work' as in the reason I work is to provide for my family and for us to have a little money to do nice things with our lives, my reason for existing isn't just to work and nor should it be. What sort of life is that? Life is too short and I don't need to work 100 hours a week to pay for more material stuff that I probably don't really need and don't have time to use.
Exactly!
What is nhs
@@mrcool2107 national health service (United Kingdom)
The US has definitely become a “live to work” country. The pandemic has caused many people to rethink that, but most people have little power to alter the expectations of their employers.
@@mrcool2107 Where on earth do you live? I can guess.😟
As a UK citizen, I’d like to thank you for your service to our country. Peace ✌️
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1. More pay per hour
2. More supportive at different levels
3. Free structured training
4. Availability of Non-training jobs
5. More locum opportunities opportunities
6. Free National healthcare services
7. Leaves: study leaves, annual leave
8. Parental leave
9. Less than full time
10. Not a rat race
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Wow. I know life is not perfect and 100% sure, but I love this. 🇬🇧😍
1 more pay per hour... this isn't even close to true lol.. (this is only true for low grade doctors lol) specialties or above americans make far more.. this is basic stats error lol, i won't respond to the other stuff since i only care about money, lol
it hurts my head when people don't understand how stats work or even worse miss reprisenting facts lol
@JSR it's Dr lol not Mr
My wife and I now both retired worked most of our careers in the NHS in non clinical roles. Our marriage took a bump in the road and the NHS paid for counselling with Relate a non NHS service. We were eternally grateful and the counselling helped us work through our problems. I am so proud to have worked for the NHS and the NHS does look after its staff.
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I fell off my pushbike and broke my femar whilst going to a training course in Bristol. I was taken to the BRI. The doctor there decided that as I was only 50 years old he would do the surgery differently which has been great. After over a week I was discharged and returned to Taunton where I lived and the care of the local general hospitel. I was put on a 6 week OT outpatient program, going into the hospital every few days. At the time I was living alone as I was in the early stages of a nasty divorce and pretty fragil emotionally. When my 6 weeks OT was coming to an end they extended it for another six weeks. Not because I wasn't making progress with my physical recovery but because they felt I would benefit from the emontional support of seeing someone and being cared about. It was never spoken about in that way, it wasn't a formal thing it was just something they did. It probably saved my life!
Hello i want to ask some questions if my husband is already in uk working as a doctor who is also completed his mbbs from another country now mine mbbs also done so what will benefit for me if now i want to go in uk
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Your experience of working in the NHS (pay, leave, training) is the same as mine working in a Bank, and I would expect would also be the same for any company in the U.K. & Europe.
Just wish the States would catch up!
You must be talking about high street retail banking. The average trainee in investment banking earn usually earn several times that of a trainee doctor.There is NO comparison between NHS pay and profit generating investment banking job salaries. It's like comparing apples and tomatoes.
@@bluesboy39 Based on the fact that @john Simmons said he works in a bank, I imagine high street banking is exactly what he means. If he were in investment banking he would probably have stated that. I doubt if comparing apples with tomatoes ever crossed his mind.
Fascinating. This is one excellent review from an American doctor in the NHS. I hope we get more like you. To be medically treated at no extra expense is fantastic. Worrying about how to pay for treatment would petrify me.
Yes, can't imagine having the pall of healthcare costs over one's head!
Agreed !!!
Thanks for giving me such an uplift. It's easy to forget the advantages your own country offers you until you hear someone who's come from somewhere else and see it through new eyes. Glad you're here by the way, the more doctors we have the better.
Well said! Thanks for having me :)
Absolutely bang on we don't know how privilege we are in ENGLAND but we still moan about it...
Remarkable insights, Ibreez! Videos on this channel are always 10/10! 💕🏆🏅
Glad you like them!
I don’t know why I watched this video but I’m glad I did, it was very enlightening.
Glad to hear that!
Me neither, I'm not 'overseas' or a doctor but still watched it 😂
This is brilliant. I am not a doctor but find it extra important. Very few videos are this elaborate.
Great video! I'm currently training to be an occupational therapist in Manchester and due to qualify next year. I know it's a lot different to being a doctor but your comments have made me realise how fortunate I am to be working in the NHS. I value flexibility and a good work/life balance and it makes me sad that this is not always attainable for healthcare professionals in other countries.
Good luck with your training! But yes, it's a shame that in this day and age, healthcare is a luxury.
Even if you don't want to watch the whole video , MUST listen to the part from 32:40
thanks Doc. You couldn't have put it out any better.
Thank you for saying so!
No rat race. Boom that’s the one sole reason for me to shift any place. Nothing over mental stability in my priorities
Exactly!
Amazing video! I have recently been in hospital with the NHS and I just kept thinking how awful it would be if on top of being sick I was worried about paying for the care I required to literally live! I find it so ironic that USA health insurance makes you so stressed and stress is such a major contributor to health 😬 my grandad is a born American and the older I get the more I understand why he moved to the UK as soon as he became an adult
Hope you're doing well now!
@@RoadToUK yes, much thank you! Thanks to the wonderful care and antibiotics provided by the NHS x
Great video. All I've mostly seen is really negative things about working as a doctor in the UK, especially the basic salary. Allot of just believe lies and stereotypes without doing enough research.
Well said!
I hear a lot of misinformation from Republicans about the UK NHS. Deliberate I’m sure, in order to maintain the status quo. There are too many, so called, law makers making so much money there is no way they want to change.
@@graememudie7921 lobbists who will go to any lengths to convince the U.S government to continue the type of health system that put profits above people's welfare.
The perpetuation of a lie that demonises the British NHS and any other care system that puts people before profit .
A classic example of extreme capitalism in the U.S.
You're excellent at explaining things and I can see you like high standards. Congratulations! Keep up the good work. If I ever need a doctor I hope I'll find one like you. Good on you, girl.
Thanks so much for saying so!
For one , you are absolutely beautiful and transparent , for two your channel is the most meaningful thing ever happening on youtube
You're really kind for saying so!
I find it amazing that in 2022 the US has so little in terms of looking after staff and healthcare... it seems so far behind!
Truly!
Eye opening and really encouraging for medical students like me who wanna join the NHS 😍 and work as a doctor in The UK .
Keep up the good work guys
It's our pleasure :)
@@mistresscatty1 why ?
I just sort of wandered into this video but boy am I glad I did!!! I'm an Indian IMG and was stressing so much over deciding US/UK/India and this was really REALLY eye-opening. Truly put things into perspective. Thank you so much for this!
You're welcome!
You really put my thoughts into words.
Really enjoy hearing the experience from someone from abroad about life in the UK. Sometimes we Brits can be a bit spoilt and compain too much! Thansk for your honest, and very complimentary view of our country. Keep well, keep safe, and THANKS for all the work you have done for our precious NHS!
Thanks for having us!
Europe is great!! Best places to live and work. London is fabulous!
Truly!
London was fabulous
@@mwatson5702 true , I couldn't believe the human bike taxis last time I was there. London was fab when I grew up there
You know, I'm an intern here in Brazil, and throughout college, I've always questioned this so-called "rat race" that most doctors down here are stuck on. They don't fully get down to their motives. As an intern, I feel like a fish out of water because I refuse to take the conventional steps that most of my colleagues do: They graduate, get into residency programs, struggle with time, struggle with money, become specialists, get a job and sell their hours to sponsor a style of life that is expected for a Brazilian doctor. In the end, Medicine is all they've lived. I`ve really identified myself with your last reason: Leave the rat race! Good Job Dr. Ibreez
Exactly! The journey is important- so do it on your own terms!
The trouble with the rat race is you have to be a rat to win it.
Welcome to the club, mate! I´m from Brazil too and I don´t regret my decision to leave Brazil. I have always felt like a fish out of water when I was a student too. And as you might know the culture, a lot of people study medicine for status and money, I just wasn´t in medical school for that. Congratulations, I´m sure you´ll be an awesome doctor. Come to the UK, you´ll be very happy here =)
@@tetelribeiro Awesome story .And I can see your getting more and more intertwined in local culture by your "Mate" comment 😂😂Absolutely loved it 😂And thank you for your contribution service
I to the UK obrigado Ana
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Makes alot of sense you're awesome at explaining things. I pray you reach more people 🙏❤️💕👌👏
Thank you!
As an internal medicine physician working in hospital medicine in USA, i work 42 hours on an average per week. I work one week on and one week off and make around $300,000 per year.
My work pays for my health insurance, my contribution towards insurance is about 400$ per month for a family of four.
Most people call it hospitalists, but you'd be the first I know not doing 12 hour days a week on. My friends in the same role are looking to only continue for a short period before further specializing given the high rate of burnout from the hours and workload. But I suppose we all do what works best for us.
i agree with the fact that the UK training system is structured in a way to be supportive to trainees. I completed my anaesthetics Training in the North West region (Manchester) and I have to say that I received a lot of support from passing the exams to fulfil the anaesthetic training requirements to get into the GMC specialist register . I am very thankful to the North West school of anaesthesia .
That's great to hear!
Are you a specialist in Anaesthesia?
This training, no matter what job you do training is paid for and your out of pocket costs covered that goes for any job in the uk in any company or organisation.
The trade off is we get better trained staff.
It's a foreign concept in the USA- applying for training for many is another lump sum of money.
Such an amazing video. Not a rat race. Thank you Ibreez.
You're welcome!
I hear people say, with a passion: "What about my career?!" I say: "It's just a job".
Exactly!
This is my first time watching any of your videos and I’m highly impressed . I love the fact that you speak from knowledge and not heresy. A very concise and robust view that should be watched by any person in your caring profession whatever side of the pond you live.
I have subscribed and look forward to many more. Best wishes to you and yours.Rab
Thank you!
Happy that you have found a place to apply your learned skills and be relatively content with your situation.
The fluency of your narrative in this presentation is impressive.
The NHS is the UKs Jewel in what's left of our Crown, and your commitment to it is wonderful.
Thank you and I hope your time here is everything you desire, we are grateful to have you here.
Thank you! 😃
Randomly found this video and found it super interesting.
Can I say Thank you! To you and anyone who works in the NHS. Thank you for all you do! You are all national treasure's
You're too kind!
beautiful insight maam
really appreciate it🙏🏻
good wishes and thankyou so much
really motivating maam
Thank you so much for saying so.
In the UK a high level of patient care is expected, don't come for an easy time, if you like what you do then it should be good.
No matter the country, the role is demanding, but yes you're right!
It's so shocking that the medical stuff in the states has like a 1000% markup on what actually should be reasonably charged, from medication to hospital rooms, yet the medical staff apparently don't get paid that well
It's shocking that there's a cost at all, tbh!
@@RoadToUK how else will the people making them get paid?
There's even a cost here in the UK even though we don't see it directly.
@@Jamie_D Yes, but it shouldn't fall on the patient to bear.
Vast profits to insurance drugs and hospital companies take all the money, successful doctors are better businessmen than doctors in the US.
@@paulm2467 Doctors that do not want to be businessmen, sadly, wind up retiring as soon as the can afford it. My understanding is that this is a huge contributor to the medical doctor shortage in the US.
This video thrashed all the rumors on less pay in NHS
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The NHS and civil service do have lower wages than the private sector but employees see the decent pension attractive compared to the private sector pension if Companies have one.
Hello Ibreez , I started watching your RUclips channel recently and love watching them. I have a small doubt regarding doctors in English Premier League teams. How do they hire , how's the work culture , what's the pay and most importantly do they hire IMGs. If they don't , then how can an IMG become a doctor for a Premier League Football Club ?
I have nothing to do with the NHS, but couldn't stop watching this. Really interesting perspective 👌
Thanks so much for saying so :)
Dr. Ibreez; absolutely so grateful for such videos. You and Dr. ibrahim are absolute gems!. Thank you for your endless guidance. May Allah watch over you and shower his blessings upon you❤️.
Thank you so much for saying so!
on the pay scale me and my then wife earned together a lot of ££ but her sister and her husband who lived in Switzerland earned 3 times that WOW! but the cost of living was 3 times higher, worked out we were almost equal even with the difference, sounded good 3 times more but it all evens out depending where you live.
Wow! Yes that's very true!
The X6 income mortgages on offer in the UK are worth a mention as well. So a doctor couple on £100,000 each could buy a £1.3 million house if they have a 10% deposit.
Did not know about this! Thanks :)
Houses are so much more expensive here though
Life is not just about working and working until you drop. Money is nice but a life is better. Even if you decide to return to the USA at least you have experience and can actually comment on it rather than the many US citizens I see in videos saying its all socialism and it is bad etc etc. Welcome to working to live not living to work. 😊 Good luck.
True! And thank you :)
Big thanks for working in the NHS.
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I needed a video like this, thank you very much!
It's weird that you find a lot of people on the internet ( reddit,twitter ) criticizing being a doctor in the UK saying it's very bad, they really paint a bad discouraging image about perusing being a doctor in the UK so it's great to see your point of view about this!
We don't get why there is so much misinformation about this topic, but hopefully we will be able to eradicate them!
Awesome!! Really grateful for the free amazing content that you make!
It's our pleasure :)
I'm surprised you did'nt mention the insurance cost relating to legal procedures abuse in American culture.
That on its own warrants a separate video!
@@RoadToUK Agreed. And it impacts more than just the medical profession: its trickle down effect is incredibly determental to all of American society.
I understand calling an ambulance in the US can cost thousands of dollars. And the inhaler I use cost around 400 dollars to by in the US. Is this correct?
Yes, the costs can be exorbitant. I did a comparison video on my experience of having surgery in the NHS vs what it would have cost in the USA that you can see here- ruclips.net/video/GGpeI1tEejw/видео.html
Why does the US charge to call an ambulance? Ambulances and the equipment they carry can save lives. The ambulance staff also save lives.
Truly enjoy all your videos, this one particularly! Great insight and makes me feel more confident about my choice. You are truly a blessing!
Wow, thank you!
Excellent description about working in the NHS as a doctor from the USA.
Thank you 😊
Wife did 40 years nursing in the NHS .
If it was terrible I dont think she would have stuck it for so long.
Mind you shes been in the Red Cross for 50 years so I think she's obsessed with helping people.
Wow!
Wow, just wow. What an amazing lady, makes me feel so privileged to live in the UK. Thank you for coming here, I'm blown away 😁😁
Thanks for having me!
@@RoadToUK the more the merrier 😁 I love travelling in the States, it's such an amazing country but in some respects it seems so hamstrung. The more we share and learn the better we will all be, and a national health service is revolutionary for a society.
Better pay in NHS really??? It sucks...an electrician makes more money than a doctor
You're free to believe that ✌🏻
I could say hands down to transparency and precise guidelines from dr ibreez and dr ivan they make things very understandable and easy to digest and that is something that made me to subscribe and watch all of their videos and courses..you guys are my mentors💕💕...really been chasing my dream waiting to get graduated and get on the road to uk...and maybe someday will meet Dr ivan and dr ibreez you guys are amazing....keep up the good work...May Allah bless you both...much love❤🌼😇
Thank you so much for saying so!
Absolutely..She really makes everything so simply..
The NHS is the one thing I could always count on, and they are my main reason to be proud to be English
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I've learned MORE about the wonders of the NHS from this lovely lady than I've learned over the past twenty years or more. Many thanks, Ma'am !
Our pleasure!
There is a question. Do you as an American citizen living outside USA , have to pay federal taxes .?
Such a great video! Especially the last part! Very well said!🔥
Glad you liked it!!
What a wonderful video! My God… it helped me soothe my worries to a great extent, this is the kind of life I’m looking for, not be constantly stressed about the rat race like back in my home country.. May be this is a sign. I’ve always wanted to enjoy the process and Oh you summed it all so well matching my thoughts word to word.
That's so great to hear!
Did you do a medical residency in the USA? If not, the title of this video is a little misleading. I doubt any US citizens who complete an American medical school (not including Caribbean) would choose going to the UK rather than pursuing a medical residency in the USA. Sure, the life of a resident is more demanding, but the road to becoming an attending is shorter and the compensation is much, much greater.
Yup!
Many American doctors work in the NHS. Weirdly enough, we aren't all about cash in place of patient care.
The road to attending is on average 3-8 years in both countries, depending on the specialty. And, well, should life not be easier and well compensated along the way as it is in the UK?
Also the compensation you speak of is simply monetary. Imagine having happy and satisfied patients who aren't worried about going bankrupt. Imagine patients not needing to go to Mexico or Canada for basic care. Preventive medicine saves so many lives, but in the States, many Americans are too poor to afford a basic human right.
Please also see: ruclips.net/video/6DQgLl7s7eo/видео.html
I am an Anesthesiologist from the U.S. contemplating relocating to London. I have been in U.S. practice for over 10 years. Can you please refer me to a resource page which will help me look into this further; i.e. weighing pros vs. cons ... and a good explanation of the path required to take this forward. TY!
Please see: roadtouk.com/training-in-uk/training-in-various-specialties/specialty-training-in-anaesthesia-in-the-uk/
Thank you so much, I appreciate your explanations.
You're welcome!
You should work to live and never live to work
Indeed!
Hiii Im from texas and I will move to London in 2 months, Im so excited!!!
Hello fellow Texan! Welcome :)
Don't forget to bring your stab vest!
@@annegrey-blackman5934 Traded in my Kevlar :)
Health care in the USA is just another business whilst in the UK health care is a basic right. Life in the UK means working around 37hrs per week, enjoying at least 4 weeks paid holidays, earning a minimum 8.91 pounds per hour living wage, receiving free education, enjoying about 30 hrs per week free nursery service and a plethora of measures incorporated in this country's pioneering and comprehensive welfare estate. Benefits spending in the UK is around 300 bn us dollars. USA spending on benefits is around 450 bn dollars per year. UK pop 68 million. USA pop 330 million. Great video which puts highly paid broadcasters to Shame.
Well said!
More like 6 weeks paid holiday for most in the UK. I have a hypothesis that corporate America doesn't grant its employees much holiday time in order to prevent them visiting other countries and seeing how much better employees are treated elsewhere. The US calls itself "The land of the free" but its employees are less free than those practically anywhere else in the world. And I say this as a supporter of capitalist democracy
Loved it.. The way u presented it... Intricate details... Emphasising on doing things that can't be replaced.. I mean watching this video itself was relaxing!!
Glad you liked it!
As-salamu alaykum.
Welcome, and thanks for coming to the UK. May you and your family have very many very happy years here.
Walaikum assalaam. Thank you so much 😊
3 USA doctors disliked this video
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They’re jealous!
How do you find the pay affecting the job role? I see a lot of videos from med school insiders saying in the US different roles pay more whereas the UK i understand has the same pay for each job. In the US do you find people choosing specialities to chase the money? And in the UK do you find doctors choose their specialities depending on their interests as pay isn't an influencing factor?
There are definitely some US based doctors who concentrate on salary for their specialty, especially the options to go private or open a clinic. For UK doctors, haven't heard that so much or really at all.
Glad you chose to come to the UK to work.I hope you enjoy your time here and hope more Americans choose to come here to make our country thrive.Thanks.
Thanks for having me!
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My young neighbours when I lived in England both worked for different branches of the government. When they started their family she for obv reasons took the initial parental leave, baby needs its mum earlier in the life. She went back to work and he took the other 1/2 of their shared parental leave, they had 2 kids while we were neighbours.
How wonderful!
I am new to the NHS and I found a few peers complaining already.. I will make them watch this video now 😁😁
Please do!
I don't understand why people in the US believe socialised healthcare is evil, we have a higher life expectancy, fewer suicides and less people going bankrupt thanks to universal healthcare. Just goes to show how capitalism has taken over in the US.
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Absolutely lovee this video. So incredibly helpful! Thank you so so much!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I've heard people from AMERICA say they wouldn't want a "SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE" like ENGLAND .And one woman said I don't want the government to know about my health??? 🤯 Like the government don't know bout her already 🤣😂🤣😂
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Thank you for coming and thank you for your help.
Thanks for having me :)
I'd pick USA over UK any day
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Thank you so much. Your videos are really helpful. I am following your steps in the road to the UK
You're welcome!
This so different to the book by Adam Kay. “ this is going to hurt “ ?!?!
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Hi Dr. Ibreez, I think you should also extend the pay discussion to include Consultants salaries in USA vs UK. After all, we are not going to be trainees for the whole life. These videos help people decide their future career and lives and this simple addition may make them turn their paths other way around. And I do love your videos a lot. Thank you
Hi, we will be doing two videos on the salaries at training and consultant levels. While we understand the obsession with the USA attending salary, many get caught up with a number without understanding both sides.
Very interesting video! I'm actually the opposite case--planning to go from the UK to the US system, but its helpful to hear someone play the devil's advocate. Will definitely need to learn more about the US training system!
Good luck!
You are wise beyond your years, Ibreez! Signed, a non-trad American looking to apply to UKFP this coming cycle.
Good luck in your application and hope to see you here soon!
Also please make a video on taxation in the UK vs the US
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Oh my gosh! I’m so glad that this was in my recommended! Thank you for your insights and thank you even MORE for your service. We really appreciate you, God bless 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
It's our pleasure!
I don't pay per hour is more in uk after residency for sure
Why do you think the hours worked would reduce for attendings in the USA? If anything, many attendings still report doing close to or just below the same number of hours as they had done as residents.
Its a pleasure to hear an impartial opinion on the UK NHS from a non British person, yet the British naysayer is always knocking their country and NHS.
Very informative video, well done video.
us british are "allowed" to criticize the NHS
The British NHS naysayers generally work with the tory party.........
I agree , I treasure the NHS.. with two chronic health conditions, you learn to be grateful..
Thanks :)
Very interesting and, to me, unexpected.
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I am a GP and have been in a dilemma about moving to US but your video is an eye opener. Just a feedback about the point that IMGs have to pay health surcharge of around £600 per person per year to cover health care cost during their stay. It stops only when you become a permanent resident after 5 years. But any how very well made video. Love NHS ❤️
The health surcharge was removed last year :)
Dr Ibreez, I’m not even in the medical field yet your video has inspired me to weigh my options in terms of being an American an working in the United Kingdom. Your message is for the masses! You’re an EXCELLENT presenter - and even the “Commenters” offer a wealth of insight and knowledge. Thanks!
Our pleasure 🤗
Thank you, this was heartening to hear, good luck with your career
Thank you so much!
One of my sons would like to move to the US. I think he’s mad. I’ve had really good experiences for both my sons births with the NHS and when I had an ovary removed due to a cyst…all without any any payments.
It's honestly a blessing!
I have been a volunteer for an organisation called "defend the NHS." For several years in the UK, and have done a lot of research and truly understand the economics behind it how it has been underfuended, Because some politicians have interest in seeing it privatised.Unfortunately, the American system is having a negative effect on the British NHS, especially considering UK has had a very right-wing party in power now for over a decade.The NHS is still great, but the Wolves have gradually been digging away at it and the current right-wing party has been underfundin it gradually, because UK citizens rarely understand that paying more each year than the previous year for the NHS, is standard practice, due to inflation, but proper funding for universal healthcare system needs to be in keeping with other northern European models, e.g. 9%+, Than the previous year, but the current right-wing government has been paying slightly less than inflation every year, but shows the general public that they have been funding it more each year to pacifya them.
It would really help the NHS if the US had some kind of revolution and more awareness was brought to the obvious and irrefutable superiority of universal health care systems.more communication generally between people in the Western world has an influence on others within that sphere
has been underfundin it gradually, because UK citizens rarely understand that paying more each yea
great content....really awesome, I'm a gynaecologist from India recently completed my MRCOG and waiting to start my GMC process. I've been searching for content but I 've never found a video as helpful as your's. Thank you so much ❤
Our pleasure 🤗
How did it go? Did you get into training program?
Quality of life is much more important than money it is all about getting the balance right
Truly!
When it comes to racism do you think it will be comfortable for a niqabi to work easily in the uk? Honest opinions needed
Great as always ibreez!
Is there mention of an Eid holiday in the NHS?
You can take annual leave for Eid!
@@mistresscatty1 it’s pretty obvious that the UK is Christian country, but my point is that Christians get a Christmas holiday when they work in the Muslim country I currently live in.. so I asked.
I don’t see why you’re so agitated?
@@mistresscatty1 UK a Christian country?? You're having a laugh mate 🤣
@@mistresscatty1 there are European Muslims...but I'm Christian so...I guess you'll let me stay then 😛 how nice of you!!
I'm curious. Does the difference between the American insurance system, and the social system of the UK factor at all into it for you? Did you ever find yourself in America not being able to provide treatment you thought was necessary, because the insurance the patient had wouldn't cover it? Or was that never something you encountered?
I'm a Brit (as if that wasn't obvious) and I can't say I know a great deal about how the American system works, but I am curious about how that works, and of course the effect that has on the Doctors who are trying their best to provide the 'right' treatment.
Yes of course. Knowing a person's insurance provider plays a great deal into their care and discharge. If they cannot pay for a certain medication they require to survive to stay out of hospital, it's not unheard of for one of us to call their provider and try and find a balance for their care.
The greatest crisis occurs when a person is seriously ill and has to be taken to a hospital that is out of their network (ie not covered by their insurance) because it is closest. They will have another burden of cost.
@@RoadToUK Taking a guess, I imagine that's a hard thing to have to deal with... distracting from just focusing on care.
Thank you for answering, I had wondered how much Doctors in America had to get involved in such decision making.
Thank you so much Dr. Ibreez for your devotion and help to us IMG’s all over the world! I would appreciate it and I believe many others would too,if you could share your personal Journey from Medical school through internship to the United Kingdom 🇬🇧. Please Please Doctor, this form of encouragement through your personal story would encourage many of us going through tough times and are in a transition phase of our medical journey’s. It would be of GREAT HELP TO ME PERSONALLY! Please Kindly think about making a video on this subject. Thank you 🙏 so much in anticipation!!!
Sure :) In the meantime, have you seen Dr. Ibrahim's experience: ruclips.net/video/lYcFao4w7JU/видео.html
What a wonderful video you have made there, every "stage" made easy to understand and I think maybe coincidental bigging up British healthcare compared to the US, the last section (10) reminded me of when I was at school learning French and the teacher said that we (the British) eat to live, while the French live to eat, at 7 years old I was too young to understand what she meant, but I see what it means now of course and you summed that up beautiful :)
Thank you ☺️
The American flag as a hijab is a nice touch :-D
Thanks!
@@mistresscatty1 How on earth is she a hypocrite .Oh yeah.For telling the truth
The two ideals are totally opposite, Islam is a totalitarian ideology where the US bill of rights has never and will never exist.
thank you for this. this video is exactly what i need as of the moment to make clear choices. i have always been just looking at the US pathway, being a US-IMG, but this enlightened me in a whole lot of levels. thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!