Here is what it cost for both of these cars to cover 203 miles: Kia - $20.39 (5.098 gallons of gas @ $3.999/Gallon) Tesla - $8.97 (Home charging $.14/kWh) OR $13.46 (Superchargers cost at the time I charged) BUT if you charge during peak hours which is like 11am-3pm the cost at these superchargers is $.50 so this would have cost $32.07 Don't forget the cost of gas can fluctuate as well but these were the costs the day I shot this video.
Sorry, mate, why are we so fixed on highway range? Now all EPA or WLTP or even gasoline cars ranges are based on mixed city and highway speed. So, now try driving around town or the city centre for 6-8hrs at 25-40mi/hr speed limit and see what a Kia gasoline car gets?! Guess what, I have tried this at work this week for a couple days in an EV and we are getting more than 320mi as we are stop/starting going to more than 20 sites. I did this before in a gasoline car and get about half the advertised range.
Also have to consider the TIME invested. Filling up an ICE takes 10 minutes tops. Model y long range takes like an hour to charge 100% much much longer if you're at home
Quick story - I had an older Friend complaining about EV's ranges. He said he wouldn't buy an EV unless he could drive 5 hours without stopping. I said " with your prostate, you can't drive 2 hours without stopping" 😋
Thats the EPP "elders protect your protates" not the EPA. Did your older friend not know that? Thats known for centuries. Tell hem from one elder to another he should drink, drive and take a piss every 2nd hour.
6:15 Yeah the EPA range is for 55 mph not 80mph. On an electric bicycle it take 5kws to go 55 mph and it takes 15kws to go 80 mph. that is 3x more electricity usage.
@@michaeltan9512 EPA ranges are based on actual testing. Of course the Tesla will get EPA range on EPA tests!!! How about when I drive my mother-in-law's KIA Sorrento and I use half the tank to go just over 7 miles, in 1.5 hrs of slow ass city driving? Does that match EPA range for the KIA Sorrento? A Tesla would get 1000 miles under those conditions! EPA combined range includes city driving where Tesla is super efficient! EPA range includes all the range you get until the car stops and Tesla goes further after the estimate says 0 miles than other EVs... Extra efficiency in city driving is great, but makes the "Combined" range higher which makes it less like highway driving tests. Bigger buffer below 0 estimate is great to keep customers from actually running out of energy away from a charger, but it makes the EPA range seem too high... Tesla doing the right thing, can seem bad if we do not think about why or how...
@@michaeltan9512 tell this guy to do a road test and let's see. electric usage ramps up like crazy above 45 mph on a bicycle so I'm guessing it's similar.
No, I love your videos but this what not a fair test. EV v EV. We all know that no EV's are rated at 75-80mph. If you ran the EPA standard testing the way they do, I'm sure you would get about they they say it will. Compare to F-150 lightning, that luxury Mercedes you had, or even that Nissan EV you just tested vs what they are EPA rated at.
This is practical and timely info. Much appreciated. Until Tesla can deliver true 300+ mile range consistently under real-world use conditions, I’m waiting to buy. Love the channel. Sub’d.
Yes, and in Europe it’s WLTP that’s even more generous then the EPA. But in Europe this isn’t an issue, because everyone know that WLTP is tested in a lab and people know that many factors will effect your range. By the way, on B-roads in Europe you definitely can get a tesla to WLTP range estimates.
Yeah, but what did the Energy usage screen say? It's pretty good about telling you where your loses are. I regularly hit my rated range on my Model 3, especially when travelling on a highway where you don't have to stop/start a lot.
Same!! In the summer I hit over or close to EPA rated range all summer long in my LFP model 3. The energy usage (consumption tab) is something that everyone seems to miss. It is far more accurate (if driving factors stay the same). All these videos out these past few days seem to completely miss this information.
@@jayhoughton558 Please explain. I assume the energy tab will tell you the AC is using a lot of juice...so what do you do? Turn it off and sweat in 90* temps? Don't listen to music? No wonder so many Tesla's I see on the highway are traveling so slow. I don't see them running 80 like us ICE owners do.
@ericbryant796 It's been 90-95 degrees all summer and I'm still getting the estimated range when I'm on the highway @ 75-80mph. I'm sure range is worse at 110 degrees by a bit, but I'm guessing his tires or something else is causing most of the loss of range.
@@sooocheesy Which is what? HWY range is not posted by EPA so unless you own one its a guess. From what I found after renting a LR Y for a week in S. FL is the highway range is probably not much more than 200 miles at best. Also it cost the equivalent of a 30 mpg car to operate using the Tesla Superchargers to charge. I loved the vehicle and was a blast to drive, but if traveling long distance you either need to be retired or better yet, just fly.
I never trust range estimate in an electric car or a gas car! Do you ever put just enough gas in a gas car to get where you're going? No, you fill up in case something happens. Same thing in the Tesla. If it says "You have enough charge to continue your trip" I sit there and continue to charge until I get to a level I feel comfortable with.
I disagree, gas cars are way more accurate and we all know gas stations are plentiful. The problem is the expectation Tesla is setting with new EV buyers that are not educated on the subject. A simple disclaimer or video explaining EPA range calculation would be ideal. Some new drivers will not know the difference btw the energy app and the EPA range on the main screen.
This comment kinda misses the point though. Tesla’s estimates are over 300mi range and yet most people I’ve seen say the car only gets around 200-240mi. That’s a pretty significant difference, and the point of giving a realistic estimate is so that customers can set expectations.
ETA should do 3 different types of estimates, first for the highest possible range for a car and the second being the worst possible efficiency for a car so you can see what range is guaranteed at least, third should be for highway speeds
EPA should just do a highway and city range, they have highway and city MPG for gas cars already, why one range number for EVs when the range fluctuates much more than a gas cars MPG does? Makes no sense, We need two epa ranges, highway and city
@@cody4516 I trust people who have made such a test - in the US on flat roads 70 mph in each direction, in Europe on not so flat roads 1000km challenge and report their findings. I do not trust institutions to have MY PERSONAL INTERESTS in mind. But i trust Tesla Björn in Norway. Its in HIS interest to do it right.
This is the issue I have with elons “no one need 500mi+” attitude. A 500mi EV probably would get somewhere around 380-400 or so. They need to not put so much stake in epa estimates.
EPA has three numbers: City, Highway, and Combined... Everyone complains about the "Combined", but everyone could look at the "highway" or "city" numbers instead... Tesla happens to get extra good "city" efficiency, so the "combined" is further removed from the "highway" range than other EVs where the "city" efficiency is not as great...
The EPA range on my model 3 is 272mi (439km). I get 270mi+ at 70mph on long freeway trips all day long. I get 330mi (530km) mixed city/freeway all conditions. My lifetime average is 305mi (491km) all conditions over 7800km. I have physically driven over 300mi on a single charge. I don't hyper-mile. Getting good efficiency is related to how you drive and climate. I'm not the only one getting these numbers. i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg Just to add this is not all going downhill i.imgur.com/76Q1HZP.jpg I can't drive downhill everywhere.
We had a Kia hybrid for a few years. The trip computer said we were getting the epa mpg range or better but we never really paid much attention to it cause there were gas stations everywhere. Then on a long trip to Florida stuff didn’t match up so I did the old fashion way of checking mpg by filling it up, driving, and filling it back up. Kia computer 44 mpg - real mpg 28. Not anywhere close. So we did it for a couple of months. Wife hated going to the gas station cause I had my little notebook. The computer averaged 75% less than what it said. We actually received a check from Kia because the stated mpg was not what we were getting. All that to say, the Kia probably did close to the epa or at least better than the Tesla but I bet it didn’t get the mpg it was telling you.
@@Newie-sb6lf Not exactly. The moral is the trip estimate on any car is just that an estimate. My wife’s Cadillac and my son’s Chrysler computers never show the correct MPG if you check against the gas you actually put in it. Our Kia was part of a group that they had created a different one for testing than the one sold to the public. No matter the driving style you would never get the EPA range. Tesla if you follow the stupid EPA test, which is not real driving for most normal people, you will get the range the EPA claims.
My friend with his new Model Y was saying one stretch of highway the Tesla was estimating 1% power to be used when he expected 10%, turns out Tesla estimator was right because it knew the stretch of road was downhill thus it used little power. It factors in elevation of the trip.
This. Agree 100%. Specially for new owners. The first thing you look at is that number. You aren't going to the graph all the time to see how much range you have left.
I'm not sure I actually agree; arguably for the battery meter you want a consistent unit whereas the actual estimated range for the current trip or whatever is not going to be consistent across drives etc.
I hope Tesla rethinks their EPA claims after all this backlash, but I doubt they will. As a MYP owner the 303 epa range is a joke, and it's not achievable in real-world driving period. Tesla should at least provide a disclaimer that the range is only possible on a flat surface, no wind, on a 60° day and below 55mph... Instead Tesla should display their efficiency rating wh/hr which is probably best in class... My 2cents.
I have a 2021 Model Y LR with 40,000 miles. My average energy used shows to be 248 Watts per mile. With a usable battery capacity of 75 kW (per info I found) That works out to 300 mile range. If I stopped driving 75-80 on the freeways without auto temperature selected and used the chill mode or otherwise did not enjoy the car, I would get better range.
Living in AZ I really wish Tesla had the retractable sunshade like basically every other car with a glass roof has versus having to buy some aftermarket thing. Even visiting here in Colorado my rental has one which I find useful even though it is cooler here. For me, if I’m going to spend $50K on a car things like that I expect. I don’t have a Tesla but I do like their cars overall. I appreciate Gjeebs unbiased reviews.
EPA regulates how the range numbers get advertised... Tesla is not allowed to do anything different. Blame the EPA!!! 1. Tesla has a bigger buffer below 0% than most EVs and EPA range is measured until the car is actually out of juice. 2. The Combined EPA range is a mix of highway and city driving and since Tesla is super efficient at the city drive cycle, the combined number will be further from highway speed range than with other EVs that are less efficient in city type driving... Both points are positive for Tesla customers: better city efficiency, and less likelihood of actually running out of electrons when looking at range left. Both points contribute to the problem as you see it...
Have Bjorn Nyland as an expert witness. He’s been doing the best EV range tests on all makes and variants for many years. The data is all there to see.
I have the model Y performance with 18” wheels and I’ve actually been able to get it as low as 220 wh/mile 340 miles of range in mixed 65, 55 and 45 mile per hour conditions. Yes, I can beat EPA estimates in ideal conditions as long as I don’t exceed 65 mph, why? Because EPA estimates are for combined city and highway
Whenever someone says their rang is trash, there's some other variable in play like bad rolling resistance tires, excessive heat/cold, lots of stop lights, hard acceleration, etc.. I've had two Model 3's [LR and Performance] and under normal highway driving @ 70-80mph I get nearly exactly the rated range. I get about 80% of rated on city streets.
@@sooocheesy ease into acceleration and off acceleration, don’t use your brakes. AC, heating, wind speed, elevation, tire pressure, air temperature, tire rolling resistance, tire weight, road surface, and probably more I can’t think of right now effect range so easily because EVs are so efficient (something like 2 gallons of gas per full charge)
Pretty much, my best and closest to EPA estimates drives are when I'm not running AC or heat but that isn't plausible most times especially on cold days or hot days , especially with wife and kids in the car. The HVAC uses a lot of juice/range.
People giving excuses for Tesla and saying "yeah but its okay"...maybe its okay for you, thats your personal choice. But EPA rating's should be consistent. You cant have EVs playing by its own rules. Advertise real numbers and people will still buy them but with realistic expectations.
use this formula: real range = rated range (65 *65) / (speed *speed) - 0.1. Speed is the speed you are driving. SO if you drive at 75 mph, expect a 25% range drop due to increased air drag, and a 10% drop in range due to the battery after about 1 year (typical 1 year loss, then it holds more steady for 100K more miles). And gas cars also do the same thing as well. Air drag is proportional to velocity squared, so it gets bit very fast.
I needed to cover my glass roof even in the Pacific Northwest. That glass roof should have had a shade from the factory. It’s very presumptuous everyone wants to bake like a ham in the summer. Horrible design!!!
EPA has three numbers, City, Highway, and combined... For highway driving, the highway figure will be closer to reality. Tesla is super efficient at slower speeds and stop and go traffic, so the combined EPA range is influenced more positively than with other EVs where the city efficiency is not as great... Plus, Tesla has a bigger buffer at the bottom, when the car tells you that you are out of energy, you can go further than most EVs before actually running out. EPA has a certain test cycle and a method for getting the combined that all cars use. It helps to compare one car to another, but is not supposed to tell you how much range you will get, because that depends on how you drive...
Class-action lawsuit against Tesla filed in California for exactly this issue. Considering California has the highest amount of EV owners, that's very telling.
Thanks for documenting this. Have the same car as you. When people ask me what the real range is, I usually say it’s about 70% of what’s officially reported.
This week I just got 230 Wh/mi from 80% to 15% covering 177mi using 41KWh in mixed City/Hwy. That scales to 338 for my ‘23 MYLR so 🤷🏼. Keep your foot off it and use AP set at 65mph.
I think comparing to a Hybrid isn't really apples-to-apples, but yes I certainly agree you don't get the advertised range. I usually get ~250mi on my Model Y LR, when speeding. But I don't live in Phoenix where it is 105F LOL
@@robinmusica ya I mean it's only a couple % per night (similar to your phone or laptop when you don't touch it). It is the iPhone of cars. Not for everyone right now but just wait 10 years lol
Gjeebs, I’m with you on this. I was shocked watching your video when you drove from the charger outside of Tulsa to Whetherford, OK. It’s not that far but you were almost down to 0 when you got there. My almost 3 year old Model Y is dropping range also. Our last road trip from Albuquerque to Denver got a little dicey but not as bad as yours. And it’s not like we skipped any chargers. Just the distances out here are large.
I've lived in parts of West Texas and traveled extensively thru New Mexico and the surrounding area in ICE vehicles using my gas (hybrid) cars, my diesel pickup or semi trucks. Zero experience with my 2023 MY LR traveling long distances in the west but I'm about to take a trip from central Texas past Denver. On the map I can see that if I have a big headwind, I would be really smart to slow tf down and do 55 MPH vs the posted speed limit.
@@darkhorse2reign Are you heading into New Mexico and then going north on Interstate 25 to Denver? If yes, Tesla installed a new charging station in Albuquerque that is nice.
Common I have consistently beat the range in my Model 3 Lt. Though I do drive the speed.. limit, drive on chill. Regardless your estimates are wrong for one important reason. The EPA range includes the emergency buffer. The amount below zero which is about 30+ miles.
You are absolutely correct! And it’s the same for every car out there. I drove my previous car, a Porsche panamera, on autobahn in 270 km/h and I only got about 150 miles from my 80 liter petroltank. And I have driven my previous tesla, Model 3 P on autobahn in 160-200 km/h and I got about 150-180 miles.
Problem with EV cars are that electricity at rechargers are more expensive then ordinary fuel for same mileage and you need 30 seconds for refuel and for Tesla near hour for 100%
Just wanna say if your windshield isn't tinted, that has helped me tremendously in the summer heat here in NY. 50% 3m crystalline is what my guy used. Its like wearing polarized Oakley's during the day and almost non existent at night.
Thanks for the vid. I drove yesterday 430 kmtrs from 100% to 1%. Not bad despite the fact the MY Rwd indicated at 100% battery only 389kmtrs. At 0% battery the car still had 7,5kw left so theoretically I can drive at least 470kmts = 293 miles
The automakers need to start being held accountable for their inaccurate range estimates. To make it worse, not only are their estimates too high, but the instrumentation in the car is backing up their false claims, so it's harder for you to notice that something is wrong. Most people will just believe whatever the instrument panel is telling them, without questioning why they're having to stop to recharge so much. Tesla is now being investigated, over their overly rosy range estimates, and if Tesla is lying, then so are all the others, because they have to be able to match Tesla's range estimates, or they won't be able to sell their EV's. If the range estimates have to be cut by 100 miles, that will kill the market for EV's.
Agreed. It’s misleading of tesla to go with rosy numbers, when people are basing range estimates advertised on interstate speeds and epa is much more generous than that. I’m reconsidering trading in my id4 awd which is seemingly right in line w real work range
EPA range test is 20 mpg avg city and 50 mph avg highway. Look into it. I learned this 20 years ago in a Popular Mechanics magazine. People don’t have the same driving habits.
The problem with people and EV range is that the efficiencies are opposite compared to ICE vehicles. The slower you go on an EV the longer you can travel. You can easily get 400 plus miles of range if you go 35 mph for example. Gas engines tend to get the best bang for your buck at around 55 mph and don't lose too much going faster. The EPA rated range is an estimate and combines city and highway. What the EPA should really do is separate city and highway for EVs just like ICE vehicles. It would look pretty crazy though. It might be like 400 miles City and 200 highway LOL
I've actually experienced the opposite in our model y. The city milage is absolutely horrible. I've seen 6-7 mile round trips eat up 4% of the battery. California conditions and chill mode acceleration.
I can feel the heat through the roof in my 2022 Tesla Model Y LR, though it’s never uncomfortable. My A/C seems to always deal with the heat of mid 90’s temperatures. In SoCal, I don’t encounter 100’s often, it would be nice to test that out. I’ve never charged to 100%, or used a Supercharger. I think on a trip, I wouldn’t go beyond 90% unless it was critically necessary. I think I can safely get 280 miles, though I should try a test! I drive a loop of 100 miles pretty often, and it uses about 35% of the battery. 300 miles would be a stretch.
@user-sj5ju4jb7t I installed a really good shade in MY LR before summer. S Fl has been getting 90+ with a feel like of 105-110 until it rains. The shade is crazy good at killing the heat. The car in the parking lot shows 130-140 inside temp. I turn the AC a few minutes before I walk out and the car is close to 70. The shade opens and the metal closer bars get so hot they will almost burn you. The shade itself is very cool to the touch. It cost almost $500, $449 with a code, but I am very happy I did it before summer. Gjeebs reviewed it a while back in a video. They now have a $600 electric unit. I think the best thing is you can open it front or back or both and keep it closed on hot days, or open at night. I'm not a big fan of the pano roof or sunroofs for that matter. Every recent car I owned in S FL came with a sunroof. I opened one of them of a fall vacation up north, otherwise, none of them were opened in FL. The AC is always on! You can also get tinting, and Epel HR Film on the Roof inside. It's pricey, but the HR version has a 98% heat rejection. I put that on the front window shield (not legal), side and back hatch glass. That also helps a bunch. The lightest to the darkest allowed offers the heat rejection.
Going 5 mph over the limit and up hill is your issue … when I road trip I do the speed limit and get FANTASTIC RANGE … if I go 5 over, Range suffers… 💕👎🤔🌎 range is calculated at speed limit and dead flat!
Last September we, my wife and our Lab, took a trip from Troy Michigan to Grind Stone City located in Michigan's Thumb. The was weather was ideal, no wind and 7o F. I used FSD and drove at the posted 55 MPH speed limit. We started with 90% and finished with 16% battery life. This extrapolates to 335 mile full battery range.
Even among EVs, Tesla is by far the worst offender at not getting the rated range. I mean when you have to have a secret team to cancel service appointments from owners complaining about range you know it’s bad (and bordering on fraudulent advertising).
Thank you for this great video! I'm frustrated with the range of my 2019 Model 3 Performance. After 64k miles I have 100% battery = 284 miles according to in-car display. I recently tried to make a 246 mile trip from my home to the coast, all downhill and no rain. Could not make it. Actually had to supercharge TWICE. Very annoying.
What speed were you doing and what was the climate settings? I would find it annoying too but then a slight push on the accelerator and you remember why you tolerate it.
This man did a whole test and doesnt even realize there are different epa ranges lamo. Tesla's rating is not for highway. EVs are opposite gas, which is to say EVs are much more efficient (better range) city vs highway
THANK YOU. Finally someone says it. I dont know how Tesla can get away with advertising these amazing range numbers that are absolutely impossible to hit. I’ve had 3 teslas and had to get the most recent one cause the last one just wouldn’t hit the range it was supposed to EVER so i had to get one with even more range.
This whole situation is odd because doesn’t the EPA verify these numbers. I would assume they would’ve had to have hit them in some conditions. It’s equally confusing that the taycan is rated at like 200 but can get 250 pretty easily. The whole system needs an update for accuracy. I would also like to say that when I was in Phoenix in 120 degree weather I believe I lost a good amount of power with the battery being cooled constantly. I can’t wait for another comparison with another EV. That would be interesting.
@@FeatureRequest That's not accurate. The EPA accepts the OEMs range estimate if they show certain test results and they can choose which test protocol they want to follow. Tesla is able to practically automate the process and choose the protocol that produces the best range partly because it's the most detailed protocol and harder to complete. Other OEMs prefer to just under promise and over deliver. Either way Tesla's are amongst the most EFFICIENT per mile, but the difference in battery pack btw OEMs makes it a hard metric to compare when shopping which is why Tesla ultimately shows the EPA range vs wh/mi metric.
2 things to understand: 1) EPA testing is done on a treadmill for cars under specific conditions thats optimized for efficiency, constant speeds, etc. 2) The stated range on your EV is an estimate based on driving behavior, HVAC usage, speeds etc on real roads and not optimized for efficiency on average. 🍎 to 🍊 Regardless, I can show you a stated miles used vs actual miles at 96% efficiency roadtrip over 157 miles on my Tesla MYP. Is not about range but efficiency.
I recently took an out-and-back road trip driving 233 miles in my Model Y Long Range. Speeds 55-60mph for about 2/3rds of the time and 70-82 mph the other 1/3rd. Had a headwind about 24% of the time. 19 inch wheels. About 4 very hard accelerations to get around cars on a 2 lane road in some places. It was warm, so the A/C was set to 71F, nice and cool. I got 244Wh/mile which implies a range of 307 miles. .... I couldn't be more pleased. I'll take a Tesla with 250 miles of ranger over any other BEV with 500 miles of range. That's because the CCS charging infrastructure in the US is garbage, and The Tesla Supercharging network is spectacular. Reliable and easy to use. And the Tesla navigation will always give a good plan on charging while on a road trip. It will take care of you and you will never get stranded.
I own a Tesla Model 3 LR and I totally agree. Why can’t the estimated range be better in electric cars, the EPA and WLTP range standards are measured during optimal conditions that no-one will drive in. It would be really beneficial to have some kind of an average real time range that would be more representative of the actual range of an EV. Too bad you didn’t have the DJI Mic internal recording going there, that should’ve helped with your audio issue.
I disagree - I'm not nearly at optimal conditions, I have and average of 113% of my EPA range over the lifetime of my car. In good conditions I get 135% of my EPA range. I definitely do not hyper-mile. This average is in all conditions (-5C /23F mornings, 1200ft daily elevation rise fall, wind, rain, 50% freeway (70mph) / 50% city etc.) i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg
@gjeebs - I have a 2023 MYLR and I get really strong range because I live in a place not as hot as Arizona. At 80-85F, if I drive consistently below 70 mph, I can get 95% efficiency and at 80mph, 85% efficiency. Car has only been driven 5000 miles so battery deg is also very minimal so that helps
I’m basically getting 215 - 225 highway miles at 75MPH in my 2019 LR M3. 100% shows 292 miles. Slightly annoying that I can’t get the advertised ranged but its ok.
Unfortunately, this is not unique to Tesla. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt that has an EPA range of 259 miles but the best I have accomplished is 189 miles at 65mph in 70 degree weather. The worst part for me is the long charge time. At least a Tesla can recharge quickly and resume their road trip. Before the Bolt, I owned a Ford Fusion that was rated at 35 mpg highway and I typically got 26-28mpg. As long as you go into it knowing that EPA numbers are not accurate and use them more to compare the cars you're shopping for relative to one another, you can adjust your expectations. I don't blame Tesla for advertising the EPA numbers. That's what all the manufacturers do and if they instead posted a "real range" it would put them at a disadvantage.
We still have 6 months of free supercharging on ours. And yeah, stopping by the supercharger gets old quick. The fastest superchargers are also in the next city. I live in Southern California too.
So here is my experience. I own a 2022 Model 3 RWD with a LFP battery. The car is rated at 272, now it's 265 with mileage. With me living in FL with flat roads and my AC set for 72 I get about 180 miles of city driving with 80% battery. I knew when buying my car I wasn't going to get EPA range but I kinda expected north of 200 miles with a car rated for 272. I have yet to take the car on a true road trip but fingers crossed I may get 210 miles on the highway.
@marklefler4007 Most of the roads are 45 to 50 mph in my city. So figure 5 to 10 mph over for the average commute speed in the morning and early evening.
You think that's bad, try having an old Nissan Leaf that advertises 84 miles range, but it actually gets more like 60 (also roughly 70% promised), and you can only realistically use it from 20-80% charge (or charge to 100% for a "trip" and go down to 20%), so you're looking at about 35-50 miles of range best case. I bought it assuming a modest 60 is fine, but reality is I can only safely go 30 or 40 per charge station (without factoring in cold weather) because our charger network sucks. I think I'd rather have a car that gets me the 200ish miles I'd like to go in one trip. Here's hoping I can afford one when this is paid off. 🤞 I love owning an EV, but man is the range on an old Leaf tough to deal with. (It'd be worse in Arizona, 'cause no thermal management on the battery.)
Electric cars are low efficiency at highway speeds, very efficient at low speeds in city driving, especially with regen braking. I live in NYC and frequently get the rated Model Y range. This is the inverse of the usual ICE pattern of higher efficiency at highway speeds, so you’re not comparing apples to apples here. You’re just assuming the rating Tesla gives should apply to highway driving rather than city.
What is advertised does happen in real life. When I picked up a used Model 3 from a Infiniti dealer, TLDR, I had to drive 55mph on the freeway, windows up, no AC, etc, etc. to make it where I was going. I got exactly 1 mile of traveled distance per 1 while on the guess-o-meter. It was exactly one to one. If you want it, you can get it. As soon as you go outside those parameters things change, and they change at different rates whether it's gas or electric. If instead of an imprecise analog gas guage, it showed EPA rated miles per tank, the complaints would be exactly the same because no one drives the EPA cycle. This is such an annoying and ridiculous non-issue.
when will tesla be held accountable for this? i have a MYLR and i get no where NEAR 330. maybe 240-250 if i am lucky. tesla needs to be punished and reimburse buyers for false advertising or take the car back.
Tesla ranges are way too off. I am driving a model 3 with “overheat cabin protection OFF”, “chill acceleration”, “with 98 safety score” and I put on AC just enough not to sweat - basically I am trying to say that I am doing whatever I can to get a better range. Still my 1000 miles overall efficiency is 260 wh/mi which correspond to a range of 190, when they estimate 272. That’s way toooo off. I am trying to sell my model 3 and all I can say is that there is a huge gap between “what you promise” and “what you deliver”. By the way I rented Genesis g80 awd EV for 9 days and it delivered a range of 270 when they advertise 280. Just another data point.
A hybrid (plug in or not) doesn't have the same programming as a full electric car. The plug in criteria to use or not to use its batteries can't be replicated on an electric car.
Dude he just said he even went faster on the KIA than the Tesla and still got the same ADVERTISED epa range than the Testas advertised range, where he only got 70%. I think you all just in denial. Teslas gets so much pass i.e. panel gaps, inflated range, etc. that other car manufacturers would get in trouble for.
Ok, but, then he would do the same speed with the other car and I’d bet the difference in stated range vs actual of each car would still be decisive between the two cars. Also, wouldn’t the EPA range estimate for both cars be done at the same MPH? If so, then it doesn’t matter if he ran both cars at a higher speed because it’s still an apples to apples test. Lastly, if the EPA is doing their testing based on 65 MPH, and the vast majority of drivers drive at 70+ MPH, then their test and results are bogus to being with, because they don’t come close to how the vast majority of people drive. All things being the same in this test, and it appears they were, the Kia, traveling at the same speed as the Tesla, of which both were driven at a similar speed above what the EPA uses, still got its manufacturers advertised range. So if KIA can replicate the EPA range estimate in a real world situation, why can’t Tesla? While I would like to see Geebs run this same test with another BEV against the Tesla, I have to say that it seems fan boys will bend over backwards to make excuses for ANYTHING bad, cheap, or unscrupulous Musk it Tesla might do. I applaud Geebs and other Tesla RUclips channels that, while they love their Tesla’s, they still provide unbiased reviews and critiques of Tesla that in the end can only serve to make Tesla a better car and company.
I'm pretty sure the Tesla rated range is not meant for 70mph hwy driving. I drive mixed and have driven for 163k miles and I have averaged 240 wh/mile which is on point. Fast speed really hurts ev range. Bottom line you're right. Tesla ought to report a hwy range too.
Yes it most definitely does but that's one of the fun parts about EVS and it's unfortunate that you have to choose 1 over the other. To be fair high speeds hurt ICE vehicles also but with the amount of range you get from a gas, hybrid or PHEV almost double the range of most reasonable price EVS, it doesn't hurt as much losing 100 miles VS losing that in a EV.
Gas cars have city/highway numbers. I don't see any recognition of that in this test, just highway numbers. Not sure what's up with the single EPA number for electric if there are two for cars...
I got new model Y LR also. I get only 180 miles for 80% consumption(90->10%) on a daily use. My average is around 290W. No matter what the conditions are, it seems way too off from what was advertised. I am surprised that no ones seem to make this as a serious issue or false advertisement.
What I look for in a product is that it's stated capability at time of purchase deteriorates every time I use it. That's when I know I've found the ideal product. I'd prefer governments solve the EV fire problem before forcing humanity to adopt these surveillance machines on wheels. It's not about how often EVs catch fire, it's about the damage and extreme danger of those fires when they do occur. Why would governments push a technology without first creating acceptable safety protocols? Thankfully, more and more people are starting to catch on and demand for EVs will hopefully go right off a cliff.
I was at Tesla Takeover last weekend. Drove home (Sacramento) from SLO. I drove Hwy 1 (aka Pacific Coast Hwy: PCH) and 101 from SLO to San Francisco, then I-80 from SF to Sacramento. 2021 Model 3 SR+ 18” stock wheels (no ugly aero covers) Original tires 36,000 miles on car Facts: 390 miles driven (the scenic route) 86 kWh consumed 220 Wh/mi average for trip (EPA says this model/year will use 24 kWh/100 miles; I got 22 kWh/100 miles, getting nearly 10% better efficiency than EPA estimate by that measure.) No one I heard or saw at Tesla Takeover was talking about this issue. It’s a media created issue.
🤔...good video, I own Model y long range also and this has been my issue. Even from day 1 going on a long distance trip could not come anywhere near even 300 miles. You pay a premium for the range that you never get and Tesla knows that they have been deceptive with their posted range on their website
Tesla added a supercharger stop on a 252mi highway road trip on my 100% charged 2023 MYLR 19” wheels. It’s even worse in the winter. EPA sticker says 330mi. Class action?
Range will matter less and less as they build more superchargers and other companies switch to NACS. Nobody really cares about range for gas powered cars because there's gas stations everywhere.
I get 350 km (approx 217 Miles) in my Model Y RWD. On a trip from Denmark to Prague i got an efficiency of 143 Wh/Km. I dont care about range that much as much as efficiency and economy. I kept on or right below the speed limits where possible.
The only way to meet the EPA range is to follow the EPA test requirements. They bear no relation to the real world. Things like average speed around 48 mph and no air conditioning. The EPA figures were created to allow a comparison of one car to another. Nothing else. EPA mileage figures have never approximated the real world in gas cars either. Where did this notion that EV's would be any different come from? Go drive 48mph with the ac off and report the actual range. I bet it’s close to the EPA number. The only way to make it different is for the EPA to revise their test requirements. The manufacturers are merely following the EPA rules.
I figured you know this but didn't hear it in the video - electric cars are not like gas, they are more efficent in town and less so on the highway where gas cars are the opposite. I do agree though that rated range most people want a highway number.
Misrepresenting the facts. They display ESTIMATED EPA required by law just like every other vehicle. EPA standards are used with noted qualifiers as to speed, road conditions, driving habits etc. They always have. Clearly visible on their ordering site.
I'm sure the energy tab told you that you burned 10% or more than expected by driving over 70mph. EPA highway testing has a top speed of 60mph, and the average speed of the test is around 48mph, so you're never going to come close to the rated range via highway driving. I blame the EPA and Tesla, because Elon has no fear of speaking out against govt agencies, so why doesn't he say the EPA test is dumb, here's their rating, but we say city range is 300miles and highway is 220?
It’s off for all EVs and when you consider Tesla’s have reserve to drive past 0% (I drove mine 5-7 miles past 0% in an emergency) the allocations towards Tesla right now are not warranted or at least not fairly targeted. Also, EVs are HIGHLY subjected to range loss to the smallest variations in weather and conditions, where as the mechanics of a gas vehicle actually favor highway driving over city, where EVs prevail.
The problem with Tesla is that they over promise and under deliver. It is an Elon thing. Look at FSD. The range issue is disappointing at minimum. I have an Etron but it gets exactly what they said. And it charges quickly. I want my next EV to have much better range than Audi or current Tesla. And quick charging curve. Let’s watch the market. It will happen.
I'm pretty sure newer Model Y's have better heat rejection in the glass roof. I just got my '23 MYP 3 weeks ago and haven't noticed any heat issues being in the sun, even on sunny hot & humid days.
We been duped for years by Big Oil so why would EVs be any different. When the speed limit is 75, many go 80, yet the EPA estimates are based on 60mph. I ask you who benefits the most when speed limits are boosted up by State Legislatures. Come on - the easy answer is Big Oil. There's at least a 20% reduction in fuel mileage when going from 60 mph to 75 mph. In addition, your tires wear faster and there's more stress on you engine and transmission. Sure, you might get there a little faster but with traffic the way it is today, that's certainly no guarantee. I have a 2023 Model Y AWD LR and a 2017 Chevy Bolt. The Tesla heat pump is waaay more efficient than the Bolt' AC/resistance heater. My model Y will charge to 329 miles with a 100% charge just as advertised and to 297 with a 90% charge which I use most often. I usually take at least a 215 mile round trip every week before my range drops down to about 65 miles with a 90% charge. Considering the A/C is on all the time and I often stop at a drive thru to catch a 15 or 20 min. lunch while the car is running with the A/C on, that's not bad in my opinion. However, most of my route has a 55 mph speed limit and I always go about 62 to avoid a ticket. My Bolt, which is a 1000 pounds lighter, much less spacious and only has 1 motor as opposed to the 2 in my model Y can't go that far with the A/C on.. Nonetheless, I like the Bolt quite a lot and it's proven to be very, very reliable. The thing is my cost to charge either vehicle is FAR LESS than filling a ICE vehicle because I have my own L2 charger and it's fed by a time of day meter. How does 850 miles per month for $25 sound to you and the best part is I don't have to bow down to Big Oil.
Here is what it cost for both of these cars to cover 203 miles:
Kia - $20.39 (5.098 gallons of gas @ $3.999/Gallon)
Tesla - $8.97 (Home charging $.14/kWh) OR $13.46 (Superchargers cost at the time I charged) BUT if you charge during peak hours which is like 11am-3pm the cost at these superchargers is $.50 so this would have cost $32.07 Don't forget the cost of gas can fluctuate as well but these were the costs the day I shot this video.
Sorry, mate, why are we so fixed on highway range? Now all EPA or WLTP or even gasoline cars ranges are based on mixed city and highway speed. So, now try driving around town or the city centre for 6-8hrs at 25-40mi/hr speed limit and see what a Kia gasoline car gets?! Guess what, I have tried this at work this week for a couple days in an EV and we are getting more than 320mi as we are stop/starting going to more than 20 sites. I did this before in a gasoline car and get about half the advertised range.
@@Newie-sb6lf i guess the city/highway diff is about air resistance, meaning city driving is basically negligible, hence better range?
So, the Kia really only got 39.82 MPG, not the gauge estimate of 45.6, which is a 15 percent difference.
You are testing your interpretation of mileage estimate. Not informative.
Also have to consider the TIME invested. Filling up an ICE takes 10 minutes tops.
Model y long range takes like an hour to charge 100% much much longer if you're at home
Quick story - I had an older Friend complaining about EV's ranges. He said he wouldn't buy an EV unless he could drive 5 hours without stopping. I said " with your prostate, you can't drive 2 hours without stopping" 😋
@caljeff2427oh fun!
best story this year, period.
@caljeff2427 That explains the smell in his car!!
This would be funny if there was an EV charger at every gas station but there isnt.
Thats the EPP "elders protect your protates" not the EPA. Did your older friend not know that? Thats known for centuries. Tell hem from one elder to another he should drink, drive and take a piss every 2nd hour.
6:15 Yeah the EPA range is for 55 mph not 80mph. On an electric bicycle it take 5kws to go 55 mph and it takes 15kws to go 80 mph. that is 3x more electricity usage.
Your Tesla probably won’t able to reach the EPA rating even you are driving at 55 mph unless it’s a downhill road
@@michaeltan9512 EPA ranges are based on actual testing. Of course the Tesla will get EPA range on EPA tests!!! How about when I drive my mother-in-law's KIA Sorrento and I use half the tank to go just over 7 miles, in 1.5 hrs of slow ass city driving? Does that match EPA range for the KIA Sorrento? A Tesla would get 1000 miles under those conditions! EPA combined range includes city driving where Tesla is super efficient! EPA range includes all the range you get until the car stops and Tesla goes further after the estimate says 0 miles than other EVs... Extra efficiency in city driving is great, but makes the "Combined" range higher which makes it less like highway driving tests. Bigger buffer below 0 estimate is great to keep customers from actually running out of energy away from a charger, but it makes the EPA range seem too high... Tesla doing the right thing, can seem bad if we do not think about why or how...
@@michaeltan9512 tell this guy to do a road test and let's see. electric usage ramps up like crazy above 45 mph on a bicycle so I'm guessing it's similar.
@@michaeltan9512 sooo dam true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am going to do this same test with other electric vehicles soon. Do you feel this was a fair test?
Expose them all for the overinflated EPA ranges
Try the models that use conservative epa range numbers like the Taycan.
Please do model y vs Kia ev6 (not gt)
No, I love your videos but this what not a fair test. EV v EV. We all know that no EV's are rated at 75-80mph. If you ran the EPA standard testing the way they do, I'm sure you would get about they they say it will. Compare to F-150 lightning, that luxury Mercedes you had, or even that Nissan EV you just tested vs what they are EPA rated at.
This is practical and timely info.
Much appreciated.
Until Tesla can deliver true 300+ mile range consistently under real-world use conditions, I’m waiting to buy.
Love the channel. Sub’d.
Isnt the issue the EPA estimate? Tesla doesnt actually say this is what Tesla does. Tesla ONLY says what the EPA tested range is.
Yes, and in Europe it’s WLTP that’s even more generous then the EPA. But in Europe this isn’t an issue, because everyone know that WLTP is tested in a lab and people know that many factors will effect your range.
By the way, on B-roads in Europe you definitely can get a tesla to WLTP range estimates.
Yeah, but what did the Energy usage screen say? It's pretty good about telling you where your loses are. I regularly hit my rated range on my Model 3, especially when travelling on a highway where you don't have to stop/start a lot.
Same!! In the summer I hit over or close to EPA rated range all summer long in my LFP model 3.
The energy usage (consumption tab) is something that everyone seems to miss. It is far more accurate (if driving factors stay the same). All these videos out these past few days seem to completely miss this information.
@@jayhoughton558 Please explain. I assume the energy tab will tell you the AC is using a lot of juice...so what do you do? Turn it off and sweat in 90* temps? Don't listen to music? No wonder so many Tesla's I see on the highway are traveling so slow. I don't see them running 80 like us ICE owners do.
@ericbryant796 It's been 90-95 degrees all summer and I'm still getting the estimated range when I'm on the highway @ 75-80mph. I'm sure range is worse at 110 degrees by a bit, but I'm guessing his tires or something else is causing most of the loss of range.
@@sooocheesy Which is what? HWY range is not posted by EPA so unless you own one its a guess. From what I found after renting a LR Y for a week in S. FL is the highway range is probably not much more than 200 miles at best. Also it cost the equivalent of a 30 mpg car to operate using the Tesla Superchargers to charge. I loved the vehicle and was a blast to drive, but if traveling long distance you either need to be retired or better yet, just fly.
It dont matter. You still have to deal with vampire drain 😂😂 gas is still king
I never trust range estimate in an electric car or a gas car! Do you ever put just enough gas in a gas car to get where you're going? No, you fill up in case something happens. Same thing in the Tesla. If it says "You have enough charge to continue your trip" I sit there and continue to charge until I get to a level I feel comfortable with.
Indeed. My 2014 Prius PHEV has an EPA range of 540 miles. On I-5 I get a little over 300 miles before the fuel warning light comes on.
I disagree, gas cars are way more accurate and we all know gas stations are plentiful. The problem is the expectation Tesla is setting with new EV buyers that are not educated on the subject. A simple disclaimer or video explaining EPA range calculation would be ideal. Some new drivers will not know the difference btw the energy app and the EPA range on the main screen.
Facts.
This comment kinda misses the point though. Tesla’s estimates are over 300mi range and yet most people I’ve seen say the car only gets around 200-240mi. That’s a pretty significant difference, and the point of giving a realistic estimate is so that customers can set expectations.
@@frescosmallsnot Tesla, it’s EPA estimates. I get EPA estimates on my MYP with mix city and highway everyday. Learn to drive !
ETA should do 3 different types of estimates, first for the highest possible range for a car and the second being the worst possible efficiency for a car so you can see what range is guaranteed at least, third should be for highway speeds
Worst wouldn't mean much because they would all be ridiculously low
I can beat WLTP every day if i want to, EPA range estimates are a childs play. It just makes no FUN beating them.
EPA should just do a highway and city range, they have highway and city MPG for gas cars already, why one range number for EVs when the range fluctuates much more than a gas cars MPG does? Makes no sense, We need two epa ranges, highway and city
@@cody4516 I trust people who have made such a test - in the US on flat roads 70 mph in each direction, in Europe on not so flat roads 1000km challenge and report their findings.
I do not trust institutions to have MY PERSONAL INTERESTS in mind. But i trust Tesla Björn in Norway. Its in HIS interest to do it right.
Couldn't agree more. The EPA should set the range based on 70MPH on the highway. 330 miles only happens downhill.
This is the issue I have with elons “no one need 500mi+” attitude. A 500mi EV probably would get somewhere around 380-400 or so. They need to not put so much stake in epa estimates.
EPA has three numbers: City, Highway, and Combined... Everyone complains about the "Combined", but everyone could look at the "highway" or "city" numbers instead... Tesla happens to get extra good "city" efficiency, so the "combined" is further removed from the "highway" range than other EVs where the "city" efficiency is not as great...
but aren't our deltas from real to advertised ranges, similar in % to ICE owner's? probably worse, right?
The EPA range on my model 3 is 272mi (439km). I get 270mi+ at 70mph on long freeway trips all day long. I get 330mi (530km) mixed city/freeway all conditions. My lifetime average is 305mi (491km) all conditions over 7800km. I have physically driven over 300mi on a single charge. I don't hyper-mile.
Getting good efficiency is related to how you drive and climate. I'm not the only one getting these numbers. i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg
Just to add this is not all going downhill i.imgur.com/76Q1HZP.jpg I can't drive downhill everywhere.
We had a Kia hybrid for a few years. The trip computer said we were getting the epa mpg range or better but we never really paid much attention to it cause there were gas stations everywhere. Then on a long trip to Florida stuff didn’t match up so I did the old fashion way of checking mpg by filling it up, driving, and filling it back up. Kia computer 44 mpg - real mpg 28. Not anywhere close. So we did it for a couple of months. Wife hated going to the gas station cause I had my little notebook. The computer averaged 75% less than what it said. We actually received a check from Kia because the stated mpg was not what we were getting. All that to say, the Kia probably did close to the epa or at least better than the Tesla but I bet it didn’t get the mpg it was telling you.
What was the amount of the check?
@@darkhorse2reign We got $300. That was Kia’s “estimate” based off the extra gas we spent.
@cbrock66 So, moral of the story is to pay your customers or media to not bag the truth about the EPA advertised range.
@@Newie-sb6lf Not exactly. The moral is the trip estimate on any car is just that an estimate. My wife’s Cadillac and my son’s Chrysler computers never show the correct MPG if you check against the gas you actually put in it. Our Kia was part of a group that they had created a different one for testing than the one sold to the public. No matter the driving style you would never get the EPA range. Tesla if you follow the stupid EPA test, which is not real driving for most normal people, you will get the range the EPA claims.
My friend with his new Model Y was saying one stretch of highway the Tesla was estimating 1% power to be used when he expected 10%, turns out Tesla estimator was right because it knew the stretch of road was downhill thus it used little power. It factors in elevation of the trip.
The range remaining in the energy graph should be the number on top. The EPA number has zero use to the driver.
yep
This. Agree 100%. Specially for new owners. The first thing you look at is that number. You aren't going to the graph all the time to see how much range you have left.
I'm not sure I actually agree; arguably for the battery meter you want a consistent unit whereas the actual estimated range for the current trip or whatever is not going to be consistent across drives etc.
I hope Tesla rethinks their EPA claims after all this backlash, but I doubt they will. As a MYP owner the 303 epa range is a joke, and it's not achievable in real-world driving period. Tesla should at least provide a disclaimer that the range is only possible on a flat surface, no wind, on a 60° day and below 55mph... Instead Tesla should display their efficiency rating wh/hr which is probably best in class... My 2cents.
Correct. Not even close. Look at all the Elon D-riders in the comments trying to split hairs and get all technical trying to loophole things. Smh.
I have a 2021 Model Y LR with 40,000 miles. My average energy used shows to be 248 Watts per mile. With a usable battery capacity of 75 kW (per info I found) That works out to 300 mile range. If I stopped driving 75-80 on the freeways without auto temperature selected and used the chill mode or otherwise did not enjoy the car, I would get better range.
Living in AZ I really wish Tesla had the retractable sunshade like basically every other car with a glass roof has versus having to buy some aftermarket thing. Even visiting here in Colorado my rental has one which I find useful even though it is cooler here. For me, if I’m going to spend $50K on a car things like that I expect. I don’t have a Tesla but I do like their cars overall. I appreciate Gjeebs unbiased reviews.
Is there some sunroof film that can be used w/o completely blocking off the roof?
Good job Gjeebs no sugar coating or kissing Tesla behind for that I’m subscribing
This is a sugar free channel
EXACTLY !! people need to STOP HUGGIN ELONS NUTS
EPA regulates how the range numbers get advertised... Tesla is not allowed to do anything different. Blame the EPA!!!
1. Tesla has a bigger buffer below 0% than most EVs and EPA range is measured until the car is actually out of juice.
2. The Combined EPA range is a mix of highway and city driving and since Tesla is super efficient at the city drive cycle, the combined number will be further from highway speed range than with other EVs that are less efficient in city type driving...
Both points are positive for Tesla customers: better city efficiency, and less likelihood of actually running out of electrons when looking at range left. Both points contribute to the problem as you see it...
Have Bjorn Nyland as an expert witness. He’s been doing the best EV range tests on all makes and variants for many years. The data is all there to see.
I have the model Y performance with 18” wheels and I’ve actually been able to get it as low as 220 wh/mile 340 miles of range in mixed 65, 55 and 45 mile per hour conditions. Yes, I can beat EPA estimates in ideal conditions as long as I don’t exceed 65 mph, why? Because EPA estimates are for combined city and highway
Whenever someone says their rang is trash, there's some other variable in play like bad rolling resistance tires, excessive heat/cold, lots of stop lights, hard acceleration, etc.. I've had two Model 3's [LR and Performance] and under normal highway driving @ 70-80mph I get nearly exactly the rated range. I get about 80% of rated on city streets.
You guys are lying through your teeth. This simply isn’t true. I flat out don’t believe you (1.5 yrs of Model Y ownership here).
@@cpreid but I also switched to 18” wheels that’s the secret. Lighter wheels require less energy
@@sooocheesy ease into acceleration and off acceleration, don’t use your brakes. AC, heating, wind speed, elevation, tire pressure, air temperature, tire rolling resistance, tire weight, road surface, and probably more I can’t think of right now effect range so easily because EVs are so efficient (something like 2 gallons of gas per full charge)
@@cpreid I literally aspire my life for the truth and reject spreading misinformation with ever ounce of my being lol
Pretty much, my best and closest to EPA estimates drives are when I'm not running AC or heat but that isn't plausible most times especially on cold days or hot days , especially with wife and kids in the car. The HVAC uses a lot of juice/range.
People giving excuses for Tesla and saying "yeah but its okay"...maybe its okay for you, thats your personal choice. But EPA rating's should be consistent. You cant have EVs playing by its own rules. Advertise real numbers and people will still buy them but with realistic expectations.
use this formula: real range = rated range (65 *65) / (speed *speed) - 0.1. Speed is the speed you are driving. SO if you drive at 75 mph, expect a 25% range drop due to increased air drag, and a 10% drop in range due to the battery after about 1 year (typical 1 year loss, then it holds more steady for 100K more miles). And gas cars also do the same thing as well. Air drag is proportional to velocity squared, so it gets bit very fast.
I needed to cover my glass roof even in the Pacific Northwest. That glass roof should have had a shade from the factory. It’s very presumptuous everyone wants to bake like a ham in the summer. Horrible design!!!
I just realized I’m not saving anything with my Tesla when my monthly insurance for full coverage is about 400$ trading in for a civic net month!
you're missing the point when you complain about insurance costs
$400 a month ? Are you accident prone ?
EPA has three numbers, City, Highway, and combined... For highway driving, the highway figure will be closer to reality. Tesla is super efficient at slower speeds and stop and go traffic, so the combined EPA range is influenced more positively than with other EVs where the city efficiency is not as great... Plus, Tesla has a bigger buffer at the bottom, when the car tells you that you are out of energy, you can go further than most EVs before actually running out. EPA has a certain test cycle and a method for getting the combined that all cars use. It helps to compare one car to another, but is not supposed to tell you how much range you will get, because that depends on how you drive...
Class-action lawsuit against Tesla filed in California for exactly this issue. Considering California has the highest amount of EV owners, that's very telling.
We def don’t use the word air con in the USA
Thanks for documenting this.
Have the same car as you.
When people ask me what the real range is, I usually say it’s about 70% of what’s officially reported.
Sounds like a SCAM
I have 113% of my EPA stated range over the lifetime of my car (7800km / 4850mi) 2023 RWD LFP. No hypermiling.
@@TB-up4xiI don’t think it’s true
This week I just got 230 Wh/mi from 80% to 15% covering 177mi using 41KWh in mixed City/Hwy. That scales to 338 for my ‘23 MYLR so 🤷🏼. Keep your foot off it and use AP set at 65mph.
This has been my experience as well and I'm in central florida heat... it's about the driver not the car!
I think comparing to a Hybrid isn't really apples-to-apples, but yes I certainly agree you don't get the advertised range. I usually get ~250mi on my Model Y LR, when speeding. But I don't live in Phoenix where it is 105F LOL
105F in the Southwest is cold. Here in Austin, we've been well over 105F for a month now.
It doesn't matter. At least Gas vehicles don't have to deal with vampire drain 😂😂😂 gas still king
@@robinmusica ya I mean it's only a couple % per night (similar to your phone or laptop when you don't touch it). It is the iPhone of cars. Not for everyone right now but just wait 10 years lol
Bought a new CRV and Corolla and mpg were about 40% less than advertised.
Time to trade them in for a Tesla I hear and see great things 😂😂
Were you filling it w Gatorade wtf
Lol, sure buddy whatever you say, I smell bull manure. 40% ? Your lie might have worked if it was more realistic.
Gjeebs, I’m with you on this. I was shocked watching your video when you drove from the charger outside of Tulsa to Whetherford, OK. It’s not that far but you were almost down to 0 when you got there. My almost 3 year old Model Y is dropping range also. Our last road trip from Albuquerque to Denver got a little dicey but not as bad as yours. And it’s not like we skipped any chargers. Just the distances out here are large.
I've lived in parts of West Texas and traveled extensively thru New Mexico and the surrounding area in ICE vehicles using my gas (hybrid) cars, my diesel pickup or semi trucks. Zero experience with my 2023 MY LR traveling long distances in the west but I'm about to take a trip from central Texas past Denver. On the map I can see that if I have a big headwind, I would be really smart to slow tf down and do 55 MPH vs the posted speed limit.
@@darkhorse2reign Are you heading into New Mexico and then going north on Interstate 25 to Denver? If yes, Tesla installed a new charging station in Albuquerque that is nice.
@laurabodycombe7998 // No. Much further east than that.
Common I have consistently beat the range in my Model 3 Lt. Though I do drive the speed.. limit, drive on chill.
Regardless your estimates are wrong for one important reason. The EPA range includes the emergency buffer. The amount below zero which is about 30+ miles.
You are absolutely correct! And it’s the same for every car out there.
I drove my previous car, a Porsche panamera, on autobahn in 270 km/h and I only got about 150 miles from my 80 liter petroltank. And I have driven my previous tesla, Model 3 P on autobahn in 160-200 km/h and I got about 150-180 miles.
Problem with EV cars are that electricity at rechargers are more expensive then ordinary fuel for same mileage and you need 30 seconds for refuel and for Tesla near hour for 100%
316 miles range is EPA. which includes 55% city driving which boosts the range back to those EPA numbers
Just wanna say if your windshield isn't tinted, that has helped me tremendously in the summer heat here in NY. 50% 3m crystalline is what my guy used. Its like wearing polarized Oakley's during the day and almost non existent at night.
Yep I have 50% o the windshield and that does help a lot
Thanks for the vid. I drove yesterday 430 kmtrs from 100% to 1%. Not bad despite the fact the MY Rwd indicated at 100% battery only 389kmtrs. At 0% battery the car still had 7,5kw left so theoretically I can drive at least 470kmts = 293 miles
The automakers need to start being held accountable for their inaccurate range estimates. To make it worse, not only are their estimates too high, but the instrumentation in the car is backing up their false claims, so it's harder for you to notice that something is wrong. Most people will just believe whatever the instrument panel is telling them, without questioning why they're having to stop to recharge so much. Tesla is now being investigated, over their overly rosy range estimates, and if Tesla is lying, then so are all the others, because they have to be able to match Tesla's range estimates, or they won't be able to sell their EV's. If the range estimates have to be cut by 100 miles, that will kill the market for EV's.
Agreed. It’s misleading of tesla to go with rosy numbers, when people are basing range estimates advertised on interstate speeds and epa is much more generous than that. I’m reconsidering trading in my id4 awd which is seemingly right in line w real work range
EPA range test is 20 mpg avg city and 50 mph avg highway. Look into it. I learned this 20 years ago in a Popular Mechanics magazine. People don’t have the same driving habits.
Set the AC to recirculation when it’s hot outside. You’ll get better efficiency.
It gets worse...Now perform the test in cold weather!
Engineering explained did a good video on this a couple years ago. Just a different testing method allowed by EPA.
The problem with people and EV range is that the efficiencies are opposite compared to ICE vehicles. The slower you go on an EV the longer you can travel. You can easily get 400 plus miles of range if you go 35 mph for example. Gas engines tend to get the best bang for your buck at around 55 mph and don't lose too much going faster.
The EPA rated range is an estimate and combines city and highway. What the EPA should really do is separate city and highway for EVs just like ICE vehicles. It would look pretty crazy though. It might be like 400 miles City and 200 highway LOL
I've actually experienced the opposite in our model y.
The city milage is absolutely horrible. I've seen 6-7 mile round trips eat up 4% of the battery. California conditions and chill mode acceleration.
I can feel the heat through the roof in my 2022 Tesla Model Y LR, though it’s never uncomfortable. My A/C seems to always deal with the heat of mid 90’s temperatures. In SoCal, I don’t encounter 100’s often, it would be nice to test that out. I’ve never charged to 100%, or used a Supercharger. I think on a trip, I wouldn’t go beyond 90% unless it was critically necessary. I think I can safely get 280 miles, though I should try a test! I drive a loop of 100 miles pretty often, and it uses about 35% of the battery. 300 miles would be a stretch.
@user-sj5ju4jb7t I installed a really good shade in MY LR before summer. S Fl has been getting 90+ with a feel like of 105-110 until it rains. The shade is crazy good at killing the heat. The car in the parking lot shows 130-140 inside temp. I turn the AC a few minutes before I walk out and the car is close to 70. The shade opens and the metal closer bars get so hot they will almost burn you. The shade itself is very cool to the touch. It cost almost $500, $449 with a code, but I am very happy I did it before summer. Gjeebs reviewed it a while back in a video. They now have a $600 electric unit. I think the best thing is you can open it front or back or both and keep it closed on hot days, or open at night. I'm not a big fan of the pano roof or sunroofs for that matter. Every recent car I owned in S FL came with a sunroof. I opened one of them of a fall vacation up north, otherwise, none of them were opened in FL. The AC is always on! You can also get tinting, and Epel HR Film on the Roof inside. It's pricey, but the HR version has a 98% heat rejection. I put that on the front window shield (not legal), side and back hatch glass. That also helps a bunch. The lightest to the darkest allowed offers the heat rejection.
Just use the energy graph
Great video Ben!! I know of many people that drive up from Tucson to Phoenix weekly so that was an awesome real life scenario test
Going 5 mph over the limit and up hill is your issue … when I road trip I do the speed limit and get FANTASTIC RANGE … if I go 5 over, Range suffers… 💕👎🤔🌎 range is calculated at speed limit and dead flat!
This is TRUE my Toyota camry Hybrid range is accurate. Most of the time, i get more range than display, and i don't have to deal with vampire drain
That McConnell gag 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Last September we, my wife and our Lab, took a trip from Troy Michigan to Grind Stone City located in Michigan's Thumb. The was weather was ideal, no wind and 7o F. I used FSD and drove at the posted 55 MPH speed limit. We started with 90% and finished with 16% battery life. This extrapolates to 335 mile full battery range.
Great idea for a video. Very relevant. I kinda wish you’d compared the efficiency between your model y and another electric suv though.
That's coming
Even among EVs, Tesla is by far the worst offender at not getting the rated range. I mean when you have to have a secret team to cancel service appointments from owners complaining about range you know it’s bad (and bordering on fraudulent advertising).
Thank you for this great video! I'm frustrated with the range of my 2019 Model 3 Performance. After 64k miles I have 100% battery = 284 miles according to in-car display. I recently tried to make a 246 mile trip from my home to the coast, all downhill and no rain. Could not make it. Actually had to supercharge TWICE. Very annoying.
What speed were you doing and what was the climate settings? I would find it annoying too but then a slight push on the accelerator and you remember why you tolerate it.
This man did a whole test and doesnt even realize there are different epa ranges lamo. Tesla's rating is not for highway. EVs are opposite gas, which is to say EVs are much more efficient (better range) city vs highway
THANK YOU. Finally someone says it. I dont know how Tesla can get away with advertising these amazing range numbers that are absolutely impossible to hit. I’ve had 3 teslas and had to get the most recent one cause the last one just wouldn’t hit the range it was supposed to EVER so i had to get one with even more range.
its EPA rated. not Tesla.
This whole situation is odd because doesn’t the EPA verify these numbers. I would assume they would’ve had to have hit them in some conditions. It’s equally confusing that the taycan is rated at like 200 but can get 250 pretty easily. The whole system needs an update for accuracy. I would also like to say that when I was in Phoenix in 120 degree weather I believe I lost a good amount of power with the battery being cooled constantly. I can’t wait for another comparison with another EV. That would be interesting.
@@FeatureRequest That's not accurate. The EPA accepts the OEMs range estimate if they show certain test results and they can choose which test protocol they want to follow. Tesla is able to practically automate the process and choose the protocol that produces the best range partly because it's the most detailed protocol and harder to complete. Other OEMs prefer to just under promise and over deliver. Either way Tesla's are amongst the most EFFICIENT per mile, but the difference in battery pack btw OEMs makes it a hard metric to compare when shopping which is why Tesla ultimately shows the EPA range vs wh/mi metric.
Buy a Corolla where you get nowhere near the advertised range. Sold mine with 6,000 miles.
2 things to understand: 1) EPA testing is done on a treadmill for cars under specific conditions thats optimized for efficiency, constant speeds, etc. 2) The stated range on your EV is an estimate based on driving behavior, HVAC usage, speeds etc on real roads and not optimized for efficiency on average. 🍎 to 🍊 Regardless, I can show you a stated miles used vs actual miles at 96% efficiency roadtrip over 157 miles on my Tesla MYP. Is not about range but efficiency.
this GUY really hits TESLA where it HURTS ! Great JOB !
I recently took an out-and-back road trip driving 233 miles in my Model Y Long Range. Speeds 55-60mph for about 2/3rds of the time and 70-82 mph the other 1/3rd. Had a headwind about 24% of the time. 19 inch wheels. About 4 very hard accelerations to get around cars on a 2 lane road in some places. It was warm, so the A/C was set to 71F, nice and cool. I got 244Wh/mile which implies a range of 307 miles. .... I couldn't be more pleased.
I'll take a Tesla with 250 miles of ranger over any other BEV with 500 miles of range. That's because the CCS charging infrastructure in the US is garbage, and The Tesla Supercharging network is spectacular. Reliable and easy to use. And the Tesla navigation will always give a good plan on charging while on a road trip. It will take care of you and you will never get stranded.
I own a Tesla Model 3 LR and I totally agree. Why can’t the estimated range be better in electric cars, the EPA and WLTP range standards are measured during optimal conditions that no-one will drive in. It would be really beneficial to have some kind of an average real time range that would be more representative of the actual range of an EV.
Too bad you didn’t have the DJI Mic internal recording going there, that should’ve helped with your audio issue.
I disagree - I'm not nearly at optimal conditions, I have and average of 113% of my EPA range over the lifetime of my car. In good conditions I get 135% of my EPA range. I definitely do not hyper-mile. This average is in all conditions (-5C /23F mornings, 1200ft daily elevation rise fall, wind, rain, 50% freeway (70mph) / 50% city etc.) i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg
@gjeebs - I have a 2023 MYLR and I get really strong range because I live in a place not as hot as Arizona. At 80-85F, if I drive consistently below 70 mph, I can get 95% efficiency and at 80mph, 85% efficiency. Car has only been driven 5000 miles so battery deg is also very minimal so that helps
The car seat in the back prevented more range, jk lol 😂
I’m basically getting 215 - 225 highway miles at 75MPH in my 2019 LR M3. 100% shows 292 miles. Slightly annoying that I can’t get the advertised ranged but its ok.
This video TRULY SHOWS how TESLA games the SYSTEM 1000%
Unfortunately, this is not unique to Tesla. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt that has an EPA range of 259 miles but the best I have accomplished is 189 miles at 65mph in 70 degree weather. The worst part for me is the long charge time. At least a Tesla can recharge quickly and resume their road trip.
Before the Bolt, I owned a Ford Fusion that was rated at 35 mpg highway and I typically got 26-28mpg. As long as you go into it knowing that EPA numbers are not accurate and use them more to compare the cars you're shopping for relative to one another, you can adjust your expectations. I don't blame Tesla for advertising the EPA numbers. That's what all the manufacturers do and if they instead posted a "real range" it would put them at a disadvantage.
its a 20% difference as a rule of thumb.- basically 270 miles instead of 330.
I would only use a Tesla for my 50 mile commute to work and charge at home otherwise im not waiting for changing.
We still have 6 months of free supercharging on ours.
And yeah, stopping by the supercharger gets old quick. The fastest superchargers are also in the next city. I live in Southern California too.
So here is my experience. I own a 2022 Model 3 RWD with a LFP battery. The car is rated at 272, now it's 265 with mileage. With me living in FL with flat roads and my AC set for 72 I get about 180 miles of city driving with 80% battery. I knew when buying my car I wasn't going to get EPA range but I kinda expected north of 200 miles with a car rated for 272. I have yet to take the car on a true road trip but fingers crossed I may get 210 miles on the highway.
what speed were you driving it at?
@marklefler4007 Most of the roads are 45 to 50 mph in my city. So figure 5 to 10 mph over for the average commute speed in the morning and early evening.
You think that's bad, try having an old Nissan Leaf that advertises 84 miles range, but it actually gets more like 60 (also roughly 70% promised), and you can only realistically use it from 20-80% charge (or charge to 100% for a "trip" and go down to 20%), so you're looking at about 35-50 miles of range best case. I bought it assuming a modest 60 is fine, but reality is I can only safely go 30 or 40 per charge station (without factoring in cold weather) because our charger network sucks. I think I'd rather have a car that gets me the 200ish miles I'd like to go in one trip. Here's hoping I can afford one when this is paid off. 🤞
I love owning an EV, but man is the range on an old Leaf tough to deal with. (It'd be worse in Arizona, 'cause no thermal management on the battery.)
...and I probably should've mentioned that even though I got it used, it's still at 12/12 bars for battery health, so no...that's not the issue.
Electric cars are low efficiency at highway speeds, very efficient at low speeds in city driving, especially with regen braking. I live in NYC and frequently get the rated Model Y range. This is the inverse of the usual ICE pattern of higher efficiency at highway speeds, so you’re not comparing apples to apples here. You’re just assuming the rating Tesla gives should apply to highway driving rather than city.
The lip sync was way off at the end! Hahahhah nice video.
What is advertised does happen in real life. When I picked up a used Model 3 from a Infiniti dealer, TLDR, I had to drive 55mph on the freeway, windows up, no AC, etc, etc. to make it where I was going. I got exactly 1 mile of traveled distance per 1 while on the guess-o-meter. It was exactly one to one. If you want it, you can get it. As soon as you go outside those parameters things change, and they change at different rates whether it's gas or electric. If instead of an imprecise analog gas guage, it showed EPA rated miles per tank, the complaints would be exactly the same because no one drives the EPA cycle. This is such an annoying and ridiculous non-issue.
when will tesla be held accountable for this? i have a MYLR and i get no where NEAR 330. maybe 240-250 if i am lucky. tesla needs to be punished and reimburse buyers for false advertising or take the car back.
But then there are some brands which apparently exceed their advertised ranges ie BMW, Porsche
Tesla ranges are way too off. I am driving a model 3 with “overheat cabin protection OFF”, “chill acceleration”, “with 98 safety score” and I put on AC just enough not to sweat - basically I am trying to say that I am doing whatever I can to get a better range. Still my 1000 miles overall efficiency is 260 wh/mi which correspond to a range of 190, when they estimate 272.
That’s way toooo off. I am trying to sell my model 3 and all I can say is that there is a huge gap between “what you promise” and “what you deliver”.
By the way I rented Genesis g80 awd EV for 9 days and it delivered a range of 270 when they advertise 280. Just another data point.
A hybrid (plug in or not) doesn't have the same programming as a full electric car. The plug in criteria to use or not to use its batteries can't be replicated on an electric car.
Why not try a range test at lower speed? Everybody does range test at 75 mph. Why not try 55 mph? I’m sure the range would increase but by how much?
EPA estimate is based off 60/65. Range decreases geometrically with speed, so driving at 75 affects range quite a lot.
Dude he just said he even went faster on the KIA than the Tesla and still got the same ADVERTISED epa range than the Testas advertised range, where he only got 70%. I think you all just in denial. Teslas gets so much pass i.e. panel gaps, inflated range, etc. that other car manufacturers would get in trouble for.
Ok, but, then he would do the same speed with the other car and I’d bet the difference in stated range vs actual of each car would still be decisive between the two cars. Also, wouldn’t the EPA range estimate for both cars be done at the same MPH? If so, then it doesn’t matter if he ran both cars at a higher speed because it’s still an apples to apples test. Lastly, if the EPA is doing their testing based on 65 MPH, and the vast majority of drivers drive at 70+ MPH, then their test and results are bogus to being with, because they don’t come close to how the vast majority of people drive. All things being the same in this test, and it appears they were, the Kia, traveling at the same speed as the Tesla, of which both were driven at a similar speed above what the EPA uses, still got its manufacturers advertised range. So if KIA can replicate the EPA range estimate in a real world situation, why can’t Tesla? While I would like to see Geebs run this same test with another BEV against the Tesla, I have to say that it seems fan boys will bend over backwards to make excuses for ANYTHING bad, cheap, or unscrupulous Musk it Tesla might do. I applaud Geebs and other Tesla RUclips channels that, while they love their Tesla’s, they still provide unbiased reviews and critiques of Tesla that in the end can only serve to make Tesla a better car and company.
@@jarhead9536I must admit I posted this comment before watching the entire video.
YOU PROVED 1000% what I have been SAYING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TESLA Range is TERRIBLE !
I'm pretty sure the Tesla rated range is not meant for 70mph hwy driving. I drive mixed and have driven for 163k miles and I have averaged 240 wh/mile which is on point. Fast speed really hurts ev range. Bottom line you're right. Tesla ought to report a hwy range too.
Yes it most definitely does but that's one of the fun parts about EVS and it's unfortunate that you have to choose 1 over the other. To be fair high speeds hurt ICE vehicles also but with the amount of range you get from a gas, hybrid or PHEV almost double the range of most reasonable price EVS, it doesn't hurt as much losing 100 miles VS losing that in a EV.
Gas cars have city/highway numbers. I don't see any recognition of that in this test, just highway numbers. Not sure what's up with the single EPA number for electric if there are two for cars...
I got new model Y LR also. I get only 180 miles for 80% consumption(90->10%) on a daily use. My average is around 290W. No matter what the conditions are, it seems way too off from what was advertised. I am surprised that no ones seem to make this as a serious issue or false advertisement.
Do you monitor monitor the trip energy app?
What I look for in a product is that it's stated capability at time of purchase deteriorates every time I use it. That's when I know I've found the ideal product.
I'd prefer governments solve the EV fire problem before forcing humanity to adopt these surveillance machines on wheels. It's not about how often EVs catch fire, it's about the damage and extreme danger of those fires when they do occur. Why would governments push a technology without first creating acceptable safety protocols? Thankfully, more and more people are starting to catch on and demand for EVs will hopefully go right off a cliff.
I was at Tesla Takeover last weekend. Drove home (Sacramento) from SLO. I drove Hwy 1 (aka Pacific Coast Hwy: PCH) and 101 from SLO to San Francisco, then I-80 from SF to Sacramento.
2021 Model 3 SR+
18” stock wheels (no ugly aero covers)
Original tires
36,000 miles on car
Facts:
390 miles driven (the scenic route)
86 kWh consumed
220 Wh/mi average for trip
(EPA says this model/year will use 24 kWh/100 miles; I got 22 kWh/100 miles, getting nearly 10% better efficiency than EPA estimate by that measure.)
No one I heard or saw at Tesla Takeover was talking about this issue. It’s a media created issue.
Did he just say on camera he was going to be speeding the whole time? 😂😂
🤔...good video, I own Model y long range also and this has been my issue. Even from day 1 going on a long distance trip could not come anywhere near even 300 miles. You pay a premium for the range that you never get and Tesla knows that they have been deceptive with their posted range on their website
Precisely
Next at 6…gas hybrid engines handle extreme temps more efficiently
Tesla added a supercharger stop on a 252mi highway road trip on my 100% charged 2023 MYLR 19” wheels. It’s even worse in the winter. EPA sticker says 330mi. Class action?
Range will matter less and less as they build more superchargers and other companies switch to NACS. Nobody really cares about range for gas powered cars because there's gas stations everywhere.
I get 350 km (approx 217 Miles) in my Model Y RWD. On a trip from Denmark to Prague i got an efficiency of 143 Wh/Km. I dont care about range that much as much as efficiency and economy. I kept on or right below the speed limits where possible.
The only way to meet the EPA range is to follow the EPA test requirements. They bear no relation to the real world. Things like average speed around 48 mph and no air conditioning. The EPA figures were created to allow a comparison of one car to another. Nothing else. EPA mileage figures have never approximated the real world in gas cars either. Where did this notion that EV's would be any different come from? Go drive 48mph with the ac off and report the actual range. I bet it’s close to the EPA number. The only way to make it different is for the EPA to revise their test requirements. The manufacturers are merely following the EPA rules.
we live in AZ the battery range SUCKS especially in the summer.
EV don't have point until batteries will not have at least 500wat per kg power and of course recharging not more tgen 5-8minute for around 10-100%
I figured you know this but didn't hear it in the video - electric cars are not like gas, they are more efficent in town and less so on the highway where gas cars are the opposite. I do agree though that rated range most people want a highway number.
I have a Ford Escape Awd Hybrid.range per tank is 580 and always get with in 10 miles of advertised range.
Misrepresenting the facts. They display ESTIMATED EPA required by law just like every other vehicle. EPA standards are used with noted qualifiers as to speed, road conditions, driving habits etc. They always have. Clearly visible on their ordering site.
I'm sure the energy tab told you that you burned 10% or more than expected by driving over 70mph. EPA highway testing has a top speed of 60mph, and the average speed of the test is around 48mph, so you're never going to come close to the rated range via highway driving. I blame the EPA and Tesla, because Elon has no fear of speaking out against govt agencies, so why doesn't he say the EPA test is dumb, here's their rating, but we say city range is 300miles and highway is 220?
It’s off for all EVs and when you consider Tesla’s have reserve to drive past 0% (I drove mine 5-7 miles past 0% in an emergency) the allocations towards Tesla right now are not warranted or at least not fairly targeted. Also, EVs are HIGHLY subjected to range loss to the smallest variations in weather and conditions, where as the mechanics of a gas vehicle actually favor highway driving over city, where EVs prevail.
I’m so glad the audio went out, your dub was epic 😂
The problem with Tesla is that they over promise and under deliver. It is an Elon thing. Look at FSD. The range issue is disappointing at minimum. I have an Etron but it gets exactly what they said. And it charges quickly. I want my next EV to have much better range than Audi or current Tesla. And quick charging curve. Let’s watch the market. It will happen.
I'm pretty sure newer Model Y's have better heat rejection in the glass roof. I just got my '23 MYP 3 weeks ago and haven't noticed any heat issues being in the sun, even on sunny hot & humid days.
We been duped for years by Big Oil so why would EVs be any different.
When the speed limit is 75, many go 80, yet the EPA estimates are based on 60mph. I ask you who benefits the most when speed limits are boosted up by State Legislatures. Come on - the easy answer is Big Oil. There's at least a 20% reduction in fuel mileage when going from 60 mph to 75 mph. In addition, your tires wear faster and there's more stress on you engine and transmission. Sure, you might get there a little faster but with traffic the way it is today, that's certainly no guarantee.
I have a 2023 Model Y AWD LR and a 2017 Chevy Bolt. The Tesla heat pump is waaay more efficient than the Bolt' AC/resistance heater. My model Y will charge to 329 miles with a 100% charge just as advertised and to 297 with a 90% charge which I use most often. I usually take at least a 215 mile round trip every week before my range drops down to about 65 miles with a 90% charge. Considering the A/C is on all the time and I often stop at a drive thru to catch a 15 or 20 min. lunch while the car is running with the A/C on, that's not bad in my opinion. However, most of my route has a 55 mph speed limit and I always go about 62 to avoid a ticket.
My Bolt, which is a 1000 pounds lighter, much less spacious and only has 1 motor as opposed to the 2 in my model Y can't go that far with the A/C on.. Nonetheless, I like the Bolt quite a lot and it's proven to be very, very reliable. The thing is my cost to charge either vehicle is FAR LESS than filling a ICE vehicle because I have my own L2 charger and it's fed by a time of day meter. How does 850 miles per month for $25 sound to you and the best part is I don't have to bow down to Big Oil.