I wish when Jason or Elizabeth threatened Sam she’d look at them and say BRING IT because she is strong enough to handle any consequence so they would have ZERO power over her.
@50patrice i feel like if Elizabeth ever watched her kids, they wouldn't constantly be kidnapped, left in house fires, or injuried at carnivals. i know what an accesory is after the fact, but i still don't feel like that's what Sam was. she witnessed something & froze, it's not like she helped the lady get away. i just hate the way Liz always tried to change the facts of what happened like Sam had plotted with Maureen to get rid of Jake. it was ridiculous, considering she had no issue w/Maureen.
I wish Sam would have just went to Mac and told him about witnessing Jake's kidnapping after this scene with Liz. Sam was a witness not an active participant in the kidnapping and she benefitted in no way. I think Sam should have just told everything and freed herself so that Jason and Liz would have been exposed as the lying hypocrites they were. And then maybe Jason would have been able to actually get to spend time with his son.
What bothered me about Liz is she didn't want a guy until someone else wanted him. Jason's life was too dangerous for her but she was jealous of his relationship with Sam and wanted it for herself. She didn't want Lucky anymore but if you watch when she walked in on LuSam kissing after she was shot, pure jealousy written all over her face. Just find a man of your own.
Fellow GH Fans: We decided to comment of this subject matter because we think it's important to clarify the legal definitions. There are too many misconceptions and misunderstandings out there to just let it be. It is important to be clear in one simple fact, there is no way that Sam would have been found accessory after the fact under New York State Law. The legal definition of Accessory After the Fact is the following: "A person who participates knowingly or voluntarily in the commission of a crime." An accessory can be categorized as before or after the fact (the commission of the crime). An accessory after the fact is someone who shelters, relieves or assists a felon after a crime has already been committed (such as the driver of a get away car). Assistance can take the for of financial, material or even emotional support of the principal actor. The elements for one to be an accessory to a crime varies from state to state. In order to convict a person for being an accessory to a felony, a Prosecutor must be able to prove the following elements: 1. The crime was committed by another individual 2. The defendant assisted, helped, encouraged, or aided the other person in the commission of a crime 3. The defendant acted with intent for the crime to be completed. For, the fact that Sam was a witness to the kidnapping doesn't qualify her as an accessory to it. If this were true then can you imagine how many people the police would have to process on a daily basis just for being witnesses to a felony. Seriously, with all due respect, we all should be more judicious when making statements that may have an impact on other people. We should be helping one another to find the truth about all types of subject matters. Blessed be! Yanira Martínez-Sánchez, J.D.
@50patrice yeah, both Sam and Jason were written extremely out of character during that time but i always felt like Sam was having a nervous breakdown. and my memory may be fogy but wasn't she going to go tell Jason and then found out he had Spinelli investigating her for the kidnapping. and given the way Jason acted towards her after and threatening her, it seems her fears were correct. Jason is actually my favorite character but i was on Sam's side here.
if i was Sam i still would've told on Elizabeth. i'm not the police, it's not my job to stop someone from kidnapping. i'm sorry but that doesn't make me an accessory, it makes me a witness and lots of people are witnesses to crimes but don't speak out.
@gigga143 It was holding back the info that really got her into trouble, not the freezing. no one was willing to believe that she was too terrified to go to jason with what she had seen. in her mind, he and others would think her guilty. she was right, but there was no reasoning with them. Really the problem was the whole impossible slash and burn s/l. we know that sam never would have done such a thing.
@50patrice sometimes i try not to think about... i do watch old clips but i never watch anything after Jerry took the metro court hostage till around the time period where they saved Jake and then to the time period with the explosion in the alley till current. it makes me irritated with Jason if i watch the stuff in between. i like to visit the Lila s/l, memory loss, and train wreck and that helps me keep the faith. i actually started watching GH when Jasam fell apart but i still love them.
I researched this thoroughly, cause I needed to know. In the state of New York Sam can not be charged with aiding and abetting or any other crime for watching Jake get kidnapped. And the hiring those guys is only a harrassment or intimidation charge, she'd have to pay fine at the most.
@gigga143 Agreed. They all betrayed her. Starting w/Jason...Elizabeth, Spinelli, Sonny, Carly, Lucky.All the many times and different ways she has been there for them over the years. When she really needed them...Nothing but accusations, and betrayal of trust. I should stop watching back vids, it's negatively influencing how i see Jason. What's w/the writer's willingness to let Sam be treated this way w/no consequences? It is too far from reality for me. I'm trying to keep the faith but IDK...U?
Brooke Rhinesmith I think she did but she ended up forgiving her. Honestly I hate how Liz fans always use Jake to bad mouth Sam. I wonder what Liz will do with the fact that she knows who Jake is
Brooke Rhinesmith She thought it was their time last time, when she kept Danny from them. I'm hoping she'll tell her, mostly because I hate that I'm always hating her character, like during the promo I was like Liz for once in your life do something right.
So these were the throw Sam under the bus years I guess and then they threw Liz under the bus for years. How do these actors whether through the terrible writing and character assassination?
Ummm...Sam would not get into trouble for witnessing a crime. Bad GH writers. She would be in trouble for hiring those actors in the fake park rescue. Not much trouble though because it is not a felony to prank people. Alexis coulda got her off.
Sam would absolutely get into trouble for witnessing a crime and keeping it to herself. Keeping information about a crime quiet is "Accessory after the fact."
Yeah, witnessing a crime is not a crime -- if it were, damn near everybody would be booked... Sam had no prior knowledge the crime would occur, therefore, she's just a witness... You could argue that she had a moral obligation/responsibility, sure... Legally -- not so much...
Um, no, actually, that's why anonymous tip-lines exist... Witnesses are encouraged to come forward but they cannot be forced, because, again, we've all probably witnessed a crime at some point in our lives, however minor the offence -- so, are we ALL culpable?... What a dark world that would be if we were charged for stumbling across something...
Fellow GH Fans: We have to correct one of the commentators, Just Lina, because she made a statement that is incorrect. There is no way that Sam would have been found accessory after the fact. The legal definition of Accessory After the Fact is the following: A person who participates knowingly or voluntarily in the commission of a crime. An accessory can be categorized as before or after the fact (the commission of the crime). An accessory after the fact is someone who shelters, relieves or assists a felon after a crime has already been committed (such as the driver of a get away car). Assistance can take the for of financial, material or even emotional support of the principal actor. The elements for one to be an accessory to a crime varies from state to state. In order to convict a person for being an accessory to a felony, a Prosecutor must be able to prove the following elements: 1. The crime was committed by another individual 2. The defendant assisted, helped, encouraged, or aided the other person in the commission of a crime 3. The defendant acted with intent for the crime to be completed. For, the fact that Sam was a witness to the kidnapping doesn't qualify her as an accessory to it. If this were true then can you imagine how many people the police would have to process on a daily basis just for being witnesses to a felony. Seriously, with all due respect, we all should be more judicious when making statements that may have an impact on other people. We should be helping one another to find the truth about all types of subject matters. Blessed be!
number one lizho watching an kidnapping is not a crime- and if i remember correctly sam is the person who rescued your spawn. no dring under the influnce of drugs, hitting a person with your car and leaving the scene is.
@gigga143 gigga, if u haven't already check out this vid by lalachik: jasam when a woman loves the singer is r. kelly. the words are sooo what we've been talking about...:)
wow all of these old clips are great. Liz really isn't bad, she is unstable. I don't think she knows who, what or how to love because outside of her kids she's put others before her. Sam has paid for what happened and reached out to Liz many times. Liz is holding a grudge and it wouldn't matter if Sam died, Liz would still spit at Sam. everyone is accountable for their actions including Liz. By all accounts Lucky is the love of her life, but he is gone. Jason well he offers that wild protective at all cost life, danger is intriguing. And she may have loved once, but she is now obsessed with what may have been. She has slept with her friends exes, that does happen, and she is not the most loyal. She is human.
It cracks me up , people saying how they hate Sam's slash and burn storyline, because" they know she wouldn't do that." LOL! I am sure all the Elizabeth fans think the same thing. I think both actresses are great in their roles, and people should just enjoy the show, and stop the mean girl hating. Are you mentally still back in junior high? SMH
You people need to shut up liz is the one wrong even though she didn't hit Sam she could have, she should have known better than to drive in her condition but of cause she knows better than any one else. Sam may have done one wrong thing to her but look at the many things she has done including being unfaithful she is a piece of work.
I know right? They really need to shut the heck up already. Liz is wrong here plain and simple. These Jiz fans are so delusional it makes me sick to my stomach and so does Jiz/liason l, whatever they are calling them lol.
I wish when Jason or Elizabeth threatened Sam she’d look at them and say BRING IT because she is strong enough to handle any consequence so they would have ZERO power over her.
U tell her Sam ha she shut her trap once Sam said truth would come out bout Jason being jakes bio daddy
@50patrice i feel like if Elizabeth ever watched her kids, they wouldn't constantly be kidnapped, left in house fires, or injuried at carnivals. i know what an accesory is after the fact, but i still don't feel like that's what Sam was. she witnessed something & froze, it's not like she helped the lady get away. i just hate the way Liz always tried to change the facts of what happened like Sam had plotted with Maureen to get rid of Jake. it was ridiculous, considering she had no issue w/Maureen.
That kidnapping was so long ago I hate when Liz use that against Sam
I wish Sam would have just went to Mac and told him about witnessing Jake's kidnapping after this scene with Liz. Sam was a witness not an active participant in the kidnapping and she benefitted in no way. I think Sam should have just told everything and freed herself so that Jason and Liz would have been exposed as the lying hypocrites they were. And then maybe Jason would have been able to actually get to spend time with his son.
Lol Diane and Max were so adorable!
Hmmm... pure Liz wanted Lucky to destroy evidence if she were guilty and his stoopid azz would have done it. Yet Sam's is the evil one. Go figure.
What bothered me about Liz is she didn't want a guy until someone else wanted him. Jason's life was too dangerous for her but she was jealous of his relationship with Sam and wanted it for herself. She didn't want Lucky anymore but if you watch when she walked in on LuSam kissing after she was shot, pure jealousy written all over her face. Just find a man of your own.
How can anyone be a Liz fan? She is a bad mom, liar, bad friend, and cheated on Most the men she has been with.... how can you like her ??
"Why are so hostile? Huh?You sleeping with her?"lmao miss Claudia
Fellow GH Fans:
We decided to comment of this subject matter because we think it's important to clarify the legal definitions. There are too many misconceptions and misunderstandings out there to just let it be. It is important to be clear in one simple fact, there is no way that Sam would have been found accessory after the fact under New York State Law.
The legal definition of Accessory After the Fact is the following: "A person who participates knowingly or voluntarily in the commission of a crime." An accessory can be categorized as before or after the fact (the commission of the crime). An accessory after the fact is someone who shelters, relieves or assists a felon after a crime has already been committed (such as the driver of a get away car). Assistance can take the for of financial, material or even emotional support of the principal actor. The elements for one to be an accessory to a crime varies from state to state. In order to convict a person for being an accessory to a felony, a Prosecutor must be able to prove the following elements:
1. The crime was committed by another individual
2. The defendant assisted, helped, encouraged, or aided the other person in the commission of a crime
3. The defendant acted with intent for the crime to be completed.
For, the fact that Sam was a witness to the kidnapping doesn't qualify her as an accessory to it. If this were true then can you imagine how many people the police would have to process on a daily basis just for being witnesses to a felony. Seriously, with all due respect, we all should be more judicious when making statements that may have an impact on other people. We should be helping one another to find the truth about all types of subject matters.
Blessed be!
Yanira Martínez-Sánchez, J.D.
Lol, looks like somebody here got a lack of senses who Lizzard really is xD
Go Sam
@50patrice yeah, both Sam and Jason were written extremely out of character during that time but i always felt like Sam was having a nervous breakdown. and my memory may be fogy but wasn't she going to go tell Jason and then found out he had Spinelli investigating her for the kidnapping. and given the way Jason acted towards her after and threatening her, it seems her fears were correct. Jason is actually my favorite character but i was on Sam's side here.
Jason hurt Sam by lying to her about the baby instead of being honest but Liz didnt want him to tell her
if i was Sam i still would've told on Elizabeth. i'm not the police, it's not my job to stop someone from kidnapping. i'm sorry but that doesn't make me an accessory, it makes me a witness and lots of people are witnesses to crimes but don't speak out.
@gigga143 It was holding back the info that really got her into trouble, not the freezing. no one was willing to believe that she was too terrified to go to jason with what she had seen. in her mind, he and others would think her guilty. she was right, but there was no reasoning with them. Really the problem was the whole impossible slash and burn s/l. we know that sam never would have done such a thing.
@50patrice sometimes i try not to think about... i do watch old clips but i never watch anything after Jerry took the metro court hostage till around the time period where they saved Jake and then to the time period with the explosion in the alley till current. it makes me irritated with Jason if i watch the stuff in between. i like to visit the Lila s/l, memory loss, and train wreck and that helps me keep the faith. i actually started watching GH when Jasam fell apart but i still love them.
i wish the absoulute worst on elzabitch
I researched this thoroughly, cause I needed to know. In the state of New York Sam can not be charged with aiding and abetting or any other crime for watching Jake get kidnapped. And the hiring those guys is only a harrassment or intimidation charge, she'd have to pay fine at the most.
this is when I started HATING Lizzard!! character and I still don't like her 8 year later
atleast sam saved him from liz because laison is dead
It's 2024 and I still don't like her. Lol
@jazzminsaidwhat
Over the last few years, Liz has gotten it. That woman's been totally miserable.
LOve Max
I love Jarly
@gigga143 Agreed. They all betrayed her. Starting w/Jason...Elizabeth, Spinelli, Sonny, Carly, Lucky.All the many times and different ways she has been there for them over the years. When she really needed them...Nothing but accusations, and betrayal of trust. I should stop watching back vids, it's negatively influencing how i see Jason. What's w/the writer's willingness to let Sam be treated this way w/no consequences? It is too far from reality for me. I'm trying to keep the faith but IDK...U?
Wouldnt Sam just be a witness to the kidnapping?
Brooke Rhinesmith I think she did but she ended up forgiving her. Honestly I hate how Liz fans always use Jake to bad mouth Sam. I wonder what Liz will do with the fact that she knows who Jake is
Brooke Rhinesmith She thought it was their time last time, when she kept Danny from them. I'm hoping she'll tell her, mostly because I hate that I'm always hating her character, like during the promo I was like Liz for once in your life do something right.
Yeah but this thing will probably end up blowing up big, like during a big event or when everything is going right for everyone
I feel like the reveal will be during Patrick and Sam's wedding or engagement party.
Yes.....
So these were the throw Sam under the bus years I guess and then they threw Liz under the bus for years. How do these actors whether through the terrible writing and character assassination?
Ummm...Sam would not get into trouble for witnessing a crime. Bad GH writers. She would be in trouble for hiring those actors in the fake park rescue. Not much trouble though because it is not a felony to prank people. Alexis coulda got her off.
Sam would absolutely get into trouble for witnessing a crime and keeping it to herself. Keeping information about a crime quiet is "Accessory after the fact."
Yeah, witnessing a crime is not a crime -- if it were, damn near everybody would be booked...
Sam had no prior knowledge the crime would occur, therefore, she's just a witness...
You could argue that she had a moral obligation/responsibility, sure... Legally -- not so much...
Um, actually it is, if you are aware that you have information that would help solve a crime. It is known as being an "accessory after the fact."
Um, no, actually, that's why anonymous tip-lines exist...
Witnesses are encouraged to come forward but they cannot be forced, because, again, we've all probably witnessed a crime at some point in our lives, however minor the offence -- so, are we ALL culpable?...
What a dark world that would be if we were charged for stumbling across something...
Fellow GH Fans:
We have to correct one of the commentators, Just Lina, because she made a statement that is incorrect. There is no way that Sam would have been found accessory after the fact.
The legal definition of Accessory After the Fact is the following: A person who participates knowingly or voluntarily in the commission of a crime. An accessory can be categorized as before or after the fact (the commission of the crime). An accessory after the fact is someone who shelters, relieves or assists a felon after a crime has already been committed (such as the driver of a get away car). Assistance can take the for of financial, material or even emotional support of the principal actor. The elements for one to be an accessory to a crime varies from state to state. In order to convict a person for being an accessory to a felony, a Prosecutor must be able to prove the following elements:
1. The crime was committed by another individual
2. The defendant assisted, helped, encouraged, or aided the other person in the commission of a crime
3. The defendant acted with intent for the crime to be completed.
For, the fact that Sam was a witness to the kidnapping doesn't qualify her as an accessory to it. If this were true then can you imagine how many people the police would have to process on a daily basis just for being witnesses to a felony. Seriously, with all due respect, we all should be more judicious when making statements that may have an impact on other people. We should be helping one another to find the truth about all types of subject matters.
Blessed be!
number one lizho watching an kidnapping is not a crime- and if i remember correctly sam is the person who rescued your spawn. no dring under the influnce of drugs, hitting a person with your car and leaving the scene is.
What Sam said to Liz, eventually it’s catching up even more in the new episodes.
@gigga143 gigga, if u haven't already check out this vid by lalachik:
jasam when a woman loves the singer is r. kelly. the words are sooo what we've been talking about...:)
wow all of these old clips are great. Liz really isn't bad, she is unstable. I don't think she knows who, what or how to love because outside of her kids she's put others before her. Sam has paid for what happened and reached out to Liz many times. Liz is holding a grudge and it wouldn't matter if Sam died, Liz would still spit at Sam. everyone is accountable for their actions including Liz. By all accounts Lucky is the love of her life, but he is gone. Jason well he offers that wild protective at all cost life, danger is intriguing. And she may have loved once, but she is now obsessed with what may have been. She has slept with her friends exes, that does happen, and she is not the most loyal. She is human.
That's the old Carly
Wth!
I love this sam
@jade486 Me 3! She's a witch!!!
It cracks me up , people saying how they hate Sam's slash and burn storyline, because" they know she wouldn't do that." LOL! I am sure all the Elizabeth fans think the same thing. I think both actresses are great in their roles, and people should just enjoy the show, and stop the mean girl hating. Are you mentally still back in junior high? SMH
You are the ONLY one here attacking real people / viewers. If you don't like what people say about fictional characters, don't read comments. SMH
Sam also hired thugs to threat Elizabeth and her kids. Liz turns table on Sam.
You people need to shut up liz is the one wrong even though she didn't hit Sam she could have, she should have known better than to drive in her condition but of cause she knows better than any one else. Sam may have done one wrong thing to her but look at the many things she has done including being unfaithful she is a piece of work.
I know right? They really need to shut the heck up already. Liz is wrong here plain and simple. These Jiz fans are so delusional it makes me sick to my stomach and so does Jiz/liason l, whatever they are calling them lol.