What's My Line? - The McGuire Sisters; Merv Griffin [panel] (Apr 8, 1962)
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- NOTE There's a new version of the WML theme song starting with this episode.
MYSTERY GUEST: The McGuire Sisters
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Merv Griffin, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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So nice to see the McGuire Sisters. Just loved this show as a little kid and Merv Griffin looks so young and handsome in this video. Nice to see them all!
Of all the 50s, 60's, 70s girl groups the McGuire Sisters were the prettiest (and so talented).
This is the ONE GAME SHOW that NEVER loses its appeal. It was really first class all the way.
Don’t be silly. ‘I’ve Got a Secret’ is similar but better.
So true! The panel, host and guests were all so intelligent.
I note that, as is common with clergy contestants (mystery guest or otherwise), even the female members of the panel stood up to shake hands with Rev. Mrs. McGuire.
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@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 Not quite. All members except Dorothy normally rose for clergy. However, this is the only episode in the history of WML thus far in which Dorothy rose for a clergy who was not Roman Catholic (since Rev. Mrs. McGuire did not have a Roman Catholic title). Her exception in standing here must be because of this clergy's connection to show business. I never thought a willingness to stand only for clergy of her own faith was a credit to Dorothy and making an exception for this apparent reason also does not do her credit.
@@preppysocks209 Very true. Dorothy did not stand for Billy Graham but Arlene did.
The age of Mrs. Mcguire was more of a factor for standing up than was her profession.
I believe it was more along the lines of respect for an elder female.
I LOVE Bennett Cerf's naivete. He's such a boy in a grown man's body. Bless im.
Here he is this week...contemplating the possibility of each Oscar being made of SOLID GOLD. (awwww, bless!) Then responding with an exclamation mark when he finds out they're actually made of tin...."Tin?!?!?"
I can well imagine how he loved his life, having a wonderful time hanging out with those connected with the celebrity performer world. All those 'adorable creatures' as he calls the women-folk. Innocently and dreamily admiring the incredible talents of the stars passing through Manhattan. It must've been like visiting the Land Of Oz after a day's work at his publishing house.
And fair play to him, he's a classic introvert who puts precedence on what is external to him. Genuinely and sincerely respectful to the hilt of whoever meets that has talent. I like people like that. Prefer them to the narcissists (of which there were many in Hollywood, that's for sure!).
Very well expressed on the delightful Mr. Bennet Cerf
Hard to believe that out of all the guests, panel, judge, and McGuire Sisters, only Phillys McGuire is still alive.
Phyllis is gone 😢
@@MensAsses33 yes, I heard, they’re all gone now. Sad
@Thaddeus Khari good attempt at trying to scam. Nice fake alts btw. Good luck trying to scam, but, eh, in a world that is comfortable with technology, I don’t think you’ll get very far lmao
McGuire Sisters- wooowww- amazing ladies !!! Six decades of performing in fantastic style !!!! I wish What's my line guessing game would get back from Heaven one sunny day !!!
Dorothy at 17:31 "I am meeting my husband and the McGuire Sisters at the Copacabana".... JUST before the McGuire sisters came on as mystery guests... later when the McGuire sisters were leaving the studio we can hear Dorothy say "...see you at the Copa"
Lars Rye Jeppesen Yep, crazy!! Even here, sat thousands of miles away and indeed FIVE DECADES away from what's happening, I can feel how incredibly tight it is with the celebs. And all hanging out within 'a few blocks', as they'd say, of one thing and another.
What a life. A bit more glamourous than mine!! Although I wouldn't swap my life for theirs.
@@davidsanderson5918 agree /s
Its sad that none of them are alive anymore. They had plans to meet each other
Knowing she was friends with the McGuire sisters, it's surprising she didn't immediately guess who the mom was.
Dorothy looks pretty here. Her hair naturally flatters her. And the dress is something most of us might wear.
And so smart with Oscar!
So true. In my opinion this was her loveliest look.
I agree that she looks better here than usually as her hair is styled in a more relaxed way. Her typical hairstyle was too rigid and exacerbated her weak chin. I’m sure she could have got the Oscar one fairly, but Daly really gave ridiculously helpful answers for no reason, saying that they would like to have association with one (making it obvious that it was something prestigious that couldn’t be bought), which they hadn’t asked about, and that it was non-jewellery adornment, which they also hadn’t.
Who would have thought that in the original airing, Mr. Griffith, the guest panelist on a game show, would he himself, be responsible for two long running game shows.
Griffin
When Bennett asked Rev. McGuire which part of Ohio she was from, I was expecting him to ask if she was related to the McGuire Sisters. But McGuire is a common enough last name that he probably missed the connection.
Wonderful Ladies and Great Singers!
It's great to see the creator of Jeopardy! on the panel.
And thanks WML for uploading this episode.
Merv Griffin started as a singer. 1962 is early in his game show stage, and before his talk show stage, a stage that lasted sometime in to the 1980s. Any person who developed Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune cannot be all bad.
Merv had two talk show periods (roughly speaking) On October 1st, 1962 (the same day Johnny Carson debuted on the "Tonight Show") Merv began a live 55 minute daytime show on NBC. It lasted less than a year. A few years afterward he began his syndicated show, which lasted through several syndicators, plus a couple of years stint on CBS late night in the early 70's. He retired from talk TV in 1986.
I think Mike Douglas also sand with a big band, but I'm not sure. Both were great personalities and much missed.
***** Mike Douglas seems to have been all but completely forgotten today. I've just been reacquainting myself with Merv via a new-ish DVD box set retrospective of his talk show, and I have to say, my memories of watching him as a kid must have been very hazy. I don't remember him having been as witty and charming a host as he was, at least on the shows included in the DVD set. Not only was Merv a fine singer, but a very accomplished pianist as well.
Also Merv was in the public eye a lot after his sow ended in 1986. He became a fixture on Larry King and other talk shows, a billionaire when he sold Jeopardy and Wheel Of Fortune, and a casino owner in Atlantic City. He was, up until his unexpected death a high profile person. Mike Douglas on the other hand, kind of faded away after his show left the air in 1980. He lived another 25 years, but was not seen much.
***** I think Merv's Latenight show on CBS lasted 2 or 3 years. I may be wrong about this. I think Mike Douglas' show began in Dayton, moved to Cleveland and then Philly. It's last two years were in L.A. That must be a record for permanent locations for a program of this type.
The McGuire Sisters has been on here alot! (and not even really THAT far apart)
They had some heavy connections and I’m not kidding.
Dorothy is so good at this, it's insane
13 years of practice at this juncture here. But she was always better than Bennett and Arlene Francis even though they were good players too. Dorothy's mind, though, worked in spacetime 4 dimensional reference frame and beyond while most can only think in two or three dimensions. Dorothy Kilgallen was one of a kind.
Saloni D She gets cues from the audience's response to questions is one way she does it.
She was way too smart for her own good. That's why the [DS] took her out, when she discovered what really happened to J F K.
The same [DS] that is trying to take out another president today.
She also looks her most lovely in this episode. I love her hairstyle, just very flattering for her!
Don't forget she was a reporter.
Besides the new arrangement of the Theme song, the animated graphics have been newly drawn for the first time in years.
Mrs. McGuire, with her harlequin glasses, looks a lot like the later SNL version of "The Church Lady.."
Like I said before, the "Juggler" opening is my second-favorite of all the shows' openings. It would be used for 143 episodes, from this one, to the 2/7/65 episode. My FAVORITE of all the openings, the "mismatched" parts opening, debuted on the 2/14/65 episode. It would also be used on the Syndicated revival from 1968 to 1974.
For the most part, I think WML's openings and graphics got better and better as the series progressed, save for the Syndie versions' final season.
ABSOLUTELY love these episodes.
I love the different openings too. They got better as they went along .
I never knew what Merv Griffin looked like. I'd only ever heard zbout him before. A good looking young man I must say!
Cool show. But you can't trick this panel, they are way too savvy. Once the sister's mom was on and Dorothy said they were going out later to see them, I'm not surprised Arlene got it. Bennett, Dorothy and Arlene were all terrific, and this stuff doesn't get past them very easily.
They still got a few laughs and some "no"s.
Somebody mentioned that Merv Griffin started as a singer. He was most remembered for "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts". Don't ask me why I know that, I can't remember.
Daly ran the clock up to the wire this week. Gosh, I feel his stress with it EVERY week....I'm always looking at how long's left on the clip and worrying in case he runs out of time before people csn say their goodbyes. I wish I didn't but I do. I blame John!! He's so transparently worried. I bet he had nightmares about it!!
That man manufacturers those Oscar statuettes, he isn't a miner.I know the concept of this show, I saw it as a child when new.I just always thought the host should allow the guests to answer the questions they are asked by the panel, and not interfere so much.Sometimes he misleads by twisting the info.That man who makes the Oscars seemed really nice.
Dorothy got it more than anyone!
I found it an interesting glimpse of "how do someone stand as a panelist?" Arlene and Merv Griffin had given after the Mrs. McGuire. She explained: they had trained Merv Griffin backstage in the panel work and she was supposed to be a Minister, Merv Griffin protests in a quite funny way, that Arlene said, no training (in higher sense as always used) is needed. Isn't this nice, to train the guest panelist before the show. They where really nice people, as we all know.
Oh yes, all the guest panelists were given the opportunity to practice the game before the actual show, as well as a printed guide which gave general suggestions on how to approach the game and lists of useful questions. Producer Gil Fates wrote in his book about certain celebrities (whom he didn't name) who decided to skip the briefings and didn't even read the printed guides, and ended up making fools of themselves on the panel. I suspect Errol Flynn was one of these folks.
From the results on the episodes that I've seen, Debbie Reynolds in 1961 and Pamela Tiffin in the last year or so of the show could very well be two others.
jmccracken1963 Yes, when I was putting together a tribute video for Debbie Reynolds, I was reminded that she really wasn't good on the panel at all. . . It was hard to find "highlights" from her one panel appearance. :) But she was one of the most memorable mystery guests in 17 years of WML, each of the many times she appeared as mystery guest!
With Merv Griffin as a panelist, that means he, Johnny Carson, Jack Paar, Steve Allen, and Joey Bishop were all late night talk show hosts (almost all of them doing so for the first time after appearing on WML) who were panelists.
Peripatetic. Boy. As a 48 yr old never heard ... lol. This show has me pulling up dictionary (Google 😜) often
Hallo, I have some time, and I haven’t watched WML in ages, so here I am.
…Goodness, John is twisty in this first one.
Mr. Dodge was originally from Oregon, and as John eventually got to, was (while at Oregon State) in the Olympics as a runner in 1924 (and the Pan Am Games, too). He had a few US and Canadian championships in the 20s. He and a compatriot started a class ring business and it expanded and changed and mutated into the Oscar (and Emmy) proposition. In the 40s and 50s it was 4 different companies in Illinois, California, NJ, and Florida. In the 40s, he mostly lived in Los Angeles and did things like the Chamber of Commerce, but moved to Miami in 1950. He got married in 1934 to someone named Ada, and had 2 kids.
He died in 1985 in Key Biscayne. (There’s not much evidence of what he did after about 1960, but that’s OK, he was basically A Successful Guy by then.)
I'm not gonna go into McGuires, mother or daughters, because they're lookuppable.
LOL the women on the panel are elegant and brilliant... Where are the elegant and brilliant women on TV these days???
They decided, rightfully so, to no longer be bound by societal norms that they had to act a particular way to be considered elegant and brilliant. They could work, perform what they want, write what they want, and be what they wish.
Jaydoggy531 hello! I'm finding your comment a bit too ambiguous to decipher - can you please elaborate so I can understand exactly what you are telling me. Thank you.
Hello, You had made a comment asking where all the elegant and brilliant women are on TV? Well, the answer is that they really are there. But they don't all have wear this particular apparel to be so. It's an enlightened society since this time, and continues to get better, that women don't have to act a particular way, or dress a particular way to be considered elegant. I think in fact they're there - This program's image of women on the other hand is a time that I believe demonstrates a barrier for the advancement of society and women, due to images of how society believes they "should" act, that is, particular superficial haircuts, dresses, and cosmetics.
Jaydoggy531 wow, when I said "elegant" I was talking about their level of class and poise and many different personality traits that had nothing to do with their physical aesthetic. You assumed that I was talking about their makeup and hair and outfits when I was talking about them as PEOPLE, and you seem to be focused only on the superficial aspects of women and define them by that, at least in this post to me. Is my post a bit hyperbolic? Sure. There are so many wonderful female actors and personalities but my comment clearly highlights that society had a higher standard for women in the past than today. Expecting less does not equate to respecting more. But it seems counterintuitive to me to have a negative view of these women and act like they had no freedom or will of their own, as if they didn't even have autonomy and were just herded in line like sheep. Would you mind telling me about the type of women you look up to and respect? I assure you I am genuinely interested in what you have to say.
I would say even in these same senses of mannerism and phrases they use, it demonstrates a society as a whole still more focused on superficial rather than true human interaction (and I believe that rings true today, though in very different realms). If it comes to their perfect diction - this is the result of primitive microphones which required perfect diction to be heard clearly. The term "elegant" tends to have a visual/audio (superficial at its core) connotation, which is why I drew the conclusion I did at first and I apologize if I misunderstood. When you mentioned the women in particular - one also wonders why you ask this question only of the women and not the men? After all, I feel the men in this clip could also be considered elegant at a superficial level, and men in the media today can also be rather brash and bold, as can any person for that matter... it tends to be what teams of producers hope will bring in ratings.
As for brilliant and who I look up to: I often look to any person in general who seeks to actively make the world a better place or set an example for others on how to be a good person to other people. It may be a cliche answer, but I think there are more out there even in the media than you may realize. It's easy to look back at any era and observe it with fondness, to the point of making the era seem quixotic though it's not the case.
Such class
Always appreciate a good Mr. Dodge✌️🖖
Before the on screen reveal, I thought are we going to have an in-joke regarding automobiles?
At about 7:15 Arlene asks if one could get this product in a store. Then John in his laborious (but always fun) way tells us the story of how, in the particular case of this product (meaning I think, an Oscar as opposed to a simple trophy which Mr. Dodge also makes) one COULD get it in a store, yes. I think he was confused (or perhaps I am).
This is a year down the line, but I feel like commenting anyway. John says that the general category of item (a trophy) can be gotten at stores, but that this particular instance of it (an Oscar) can not.
There is no rational reason why it should not be possible to buy an Oscar at a store or at auction, the same as any other privately owned product that someone might want to sell. But the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences does not permit it. Oscar winners are required to pledge that they will not sell the Oscar. A prospective seller must offer it back to the Academy for $1. This dates to 1950. In 1992. Harold Russell tried to sell one of his Oscars. Russell is the only winner of two Oscars for the same performance. In 1946, having lost his arms below his elbows, he won a Special Oscar for his performance in "The Best Years of Our Lives." This was a remarkable performance for a nonprofessional actor, although he had made some Army films and the Academy wanted for various reasons to make sure his work was recognized with a special award. No one contemplated that he would actually win a competitive Oscar for Best Supporting Actor, but he did, and probably at least in part for the same reasons why he received the special Oscar. Needless to say, there were not many additional roles for which he was suited, and by the time he was an old man, he said his wife was sick and sold his competitive Oscar. The Academy was livid and publicly disputed the reason for Russell's desire to sell, as if they should be able to stop it for whatever reason a recipient might want to sell. Although controversial, because Russell won his Oscars in 1946, he had never agreed not to sell them and the Academy was without recourse.
This show was recorded in April. The Kentucky Derby usually is the First Saturday in May. Adding the question, the Derby is not run until May and this was recorded in April before the Derby that year.
Stunning trio :-)
At 16:52, Daly lets the panel know that Rev. McGuire is the mother of the 3 McGuire Sisters. Would have been more interesting and challenging with the mystery guests if he had refrained.
This is the only time I can recall that Dorothy stood to shake hands with non-Catholic clergy, though perhaps that was more in respect for Mrs. Mcguire's age.
It may also have been because of her friendship with Mrs. McGuire's daughters.
I have gathered she comes from a catholic family. She stands for every catholic priest etc.
How the heck was John able to do his usual intro for "mystery guest" with a straight face and without cracking up, after that whole mom thing.... I mean, I know he *always* did it with a straight face, but this time would seem to have been impossible.
You know what would’ve been a great trick? Let’s say, on April 1, they have the contestants are the McGuire sisters, but they answer questions as if they were the Andrews Sisters. Imagine the confusion on the panelists after they remove the blindfold.🤣
My name is Dorothy, which was a popular name in the generation BEFORE mine. These folks were my parents generation, and I just love the way they pronounce my name. It almost makes me like my name! The (American) English language sounded SO MUCH better then.
There’s more literature, lyrics and poetry written in English than any other language, it’s the third language of God.
I really like the old theme much more than this new. Oh well, might as well get used to it (watching chronologically)
Lars Rye Jeppesen COULDN'T AGREE MORE. They had an idea, I suppose, that this was more modern for a new 'easy listening' 60s feel rather than the old 'swing band of the 50s' sound. There's no taste or life to the performances. Cheap sounding. Ah well.
I believe it was also the shortest running opening, just a little more than a year.
I find this animated intro is very amusing: old animated guy in new jobs sort of thing. I am old enough to remember it in first run. I find that 1960s comedy font very irritating, though -- hard to read when there is a lot of it in small points. My favorite WML font was the sans serif one in 1957 - 1962. I will admit that I don't like the music much -- the bongos and flutes I think are supposed to make it all seem-- here goes my 1960s slang -- mod, beat generation, and hip.
Since I'm watching EVERY episode in order I'm noticing the opening theme has been updated on this episode, mid season seems odd? Well I guess WML doesn't really have traditional seasons as it never stopped for 17 1/2 years! How did Mr. Daly only miss 4 shows?
Vintage Disneyland Tickets Yeah. Dreadful re-recording of a clever little theme. Ah well.
Why is Dorothy always butting in when it's not her turn she should have respect for the other panelist's time, I notice nobody interrupts her when she's asking questions, an she does take lots of time.
Tabo Racho right!
So does Bennett.
If you watch enough of these you see they all do occasionally.
Wow! The Oscars were late in the year back then!
Merv. !!!!!!!!!
I just watched that picture Sugar time about Phyllis and Sam Giancana and the FBI had a tape of them in a hotel room lol and it was loud. Hahahaha
And now a word from our sponsor: The Sloppo Mop Company.
I think we would want to jump cut those wonderful products.
The Maguire Sisters - AGAIN.
Great show. But then all are.
Don't think they ever had the mother of an MG on before
They've had a handful of mothers of MGs over the years, some famous and some not, but I don't recall the mother of an MG ever appearing on the same episode! Insanity!
Off the top of my head they had Jolie Gabor (mother of Gabor sisters) and Van Cliburn's mom. I feel like there were others but I'm drawing a blank.
I love the Barbie doos on the sisters.
5:20 Daly interrupts with far too much information here. He ought to let Dodge answer.
Wow, he is so irritating in the whole segment. He shouldn’t be interpreting for the panellists so that they get unfair yeses and the guest gets less money.
In this episode particularly, Daly was enjoying his word salad a bit too much
Notice how they look quire a bit older in just a few years?
Ahhh. the first episode with the new theme song!
I like checking the Air Dates to see if I was even alive then, this one I was 1 year and 14days old (dob 03/25/1961) The McGuire Sisters were smokin hot! 😍 and Cedric Gibbons, chief art director at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer designed the Oscar not this dude Ray E. dodge.
The golden years of gentility
Oscar guy: right now I have more than anyone
Me: well yeah Oscar the grouch, Oscar frosted flakes, etc. 🤔😂
*_MAKES HOLLYWOOD OSCARS (TROPHY MANUFACTURER)_*
*_MOTHER OF MCGUIRE SISTERS_*
*_SHOES RACE HORSES_*
Before the on screen reveal, for the first contestant I wondered if we were going to have an in-joke regarding automobiles?
They didn't take momma McGuire to see Rosie Clooney too?
18:22 Mcguire Sisters
Bennet would love me. Im a bookaholic. Whe i was in first grade the teachet called my mom for a conference. Our little library had about 50 books. The twacher toldmy mon she had to get me a library card because i read all the books and started rereading them. This was in November school started in September.
This sounds like the same song, WML, only slower. No?
Same song, but slower and a bit different in the arrangement. (That flute is very 60s to my ears.)
And, in the new arrangement, they changed the basic key from A major to F major - down a minor 3rd.
The other change is that we now have the same announcer (Johnny Olsen) for both the opening theme/intro and the "show proper" and end announcements.
Good ear, jmccracken1963-- you must be a musician of some stripe. :)
New recording.
jmccracken1963 A major to F major is a major third.
Couldn't resist, sorry! :)
Why in the world would she have asked whether they (the sisters) had anything to do with the previous guest???? Someone please explain!
yesteryear celebs were classy - today's celebs are trashy
Has there ever been a guest who said, "No, I don't know how you keep score on this show."
yes
A couple of people from overseas have. Not many though.
Did someone interrupt the show for a second?
At 8:00, Bennet got away with thre consecutive questions that all had "no" answers. John slipped up on this one. The one thing I did not like about this show was those
coferences they let the panel have and there was way too much talking out of turn.
Entertaining show -- but I think Ms. Francis already knew who the mystery guests were. How could she just "guess" there were more than one, and then "guess" exactly who they were?
Because they were in town, meeting Dorothy after the show, and their mother was the previous guest.
Had to build a bigger stage when Mary Palmer and her sisters appeared.Female panelists could haunt a house even after a case of Pabst.
I don't think anyone asked so I will. What church ordained women back then?
I could be more informative than you want, but I'll resist, and just say: Lots. The United Church of Christ started ordaining them in 1853, in fact! (And folks like the Methodists in 1953.)
@@juliansinger Thank you for the info.
Mcquire sisters - again. Yawn. Had been on less than a year ago. In these last years you see why the show was axed. It had become so Bridge Party. And the Producers probably felt patronised.EDIT So Mama Mcquire was a Minister & one of her young ladies fell for a mobster. Love it.
A woman minister ...they were wackey back then
1 Timothy 2:12
I like dorathy s dress, the way women should dress and not show their body. 🤦
Another rushed final contestant …
New theme version? Not liking! Too slowwwwww
I like this version, personally, but if you find this too slow, you'll really hate the final version of the theme song-- the strangest arrangement for a game show theme I've ever heard. The lead instrument is an oboe! (or maybe a bassoon, I can't tell which, but either way!). Far too subdued for my tastes.
It feels odd to hear this when being used to the previous version. (That's all I'll say about it today, as I don't know how I feel about it yet.)
As a bassoonist (and oboist), you've intrigued me about the future version of the theme, but I'm not going to peek ahead. It'll be interesting to hear when we get there.
What's My Line? That tarantella version (65-67) version was interesting. I think I liked this version best. Has a James Bond-Manciniesque feel (complete with 7th chord close).
+Galileocan g Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer the one from the 50s, with the plucked strings and violins. Very sophisticated.
+What's My Line?
I've sneaked in the future version and as a previous bassoon player, in my opinion this is no double reed instrument. I think, this must be a single reed instrument, a basset horn or a baritone saxophone. But I'm no expert.
Don't believe in women preachers. That's a job for men. The woman is a help meat for a man.
It’s ‘helpmeet’ . There is such shortage of men preachers, if women did not go into the ministry there would be a greater shortage. What if the woman was not married?
What century are you living in?