ya, it's crazy how there's videos on how to handle top tiers. it's almost like their hard to fight or something. almost as if other lower tiers need buffs. basically if your character doesn't have a video (from any patch) explaining how to deal with them then you need buffs to your arsenal.
>Mac >edgeguarding Lol In all serious, a down smash will probably do it. Maybe even a down-angled forward smash. I don't play Mac at all so maybe there are other viable options but anything off stage seems way too risky.
As a frequent mac user, I can safely say down smash edgeguards amazingly. I don't know how effective it is on Luma, but I would imagine its a good choice.
For Pac-Man, if you bait Rosa to block an orange or key...that's also quite effective. Something you forgot to note--edgeguard with Down-B, Back-air, or booby-trap the ledge with a floating melon. Ton of options to work with. Also, another note in this matchup: Rosa and the radioactive body pillow are easily separated if she blocks a hydrant coming down. The hydrant ALSO blocks Luma from passing through it, meaning Pac-Man can even single out whichever he wants to target if he conditions properly.
@FallingStarDX True, it sucks. Like, extremely unfun. But Pac-Man doesn't give her a victory for free. He can bait down-B if she uses it at the wrong time, and scare her into making the wrong move. Among other things, of course. He can cover himself very well, even against her. Pac vs. Rosa is not NEARLY as one-sided or bad as people think.
If you're willing to take the risk, F-Smash is decent tool. While slow, it's powerful, disjointed and has a good amount of range. Though you have to take a good amount of hits to get rid of Luma, Rosalina can't hit as hard with out it. So use everything trap &/or set up you got when it's gone.
My personal favorite way of getting rid of Luma is quitting the game. This is because it is fast and is very reliable. A good combo is punch Rosaluma player into unplugging TV.
I always feel like a monster when I kill Luma. Like you just killed Rosalina's small, squishy and cute companion. And the little squeal it shrieks when Luma dies makes be sadddddd );
i hate testing all the moves on my mains when ever they change just for how often i will use them let alone all in the game for luma thats some serious dedication!
everytime you said "Here are the other moves that work." i super loved it. like the fact you rerecorded it each time made me happy too. love your videos!
thank you for making such a thorough and comprehensive video on dealing with luma! one thing I've found that I think is worth mentioning is if you grab rosalina and do not throw her immediately, luma will move behind her. I wait and back throw (as yoshi/ g&w) because it makes the most distance between them and then forward smash luma off the stage.
It could be an hour long video about countering Rosalina, and that won't help them to get good, they'll wait for nerfs like always. Funny because, personally, this should be common knowledge.
I'm a bit dissatisfied with this video, Smash Corner. It's cool how you mention all these ways of killing luma, but unlike most videos you make, you mention ABSOLUTELY no counters that can benefit Rosalina.
It's pretty amazing how Rosalina and Luma still manage to be two of the best characters in the game even after the nerfs + tutorials on how to fight against them
For ryu you can do DD1 onto luma which is safe, if luma's health is low or if rosa is faraway you can follow-up with either a forward air or dash attack respectively
finally! a vid for countering rosalina and luma, my sister is super skruby and mains rosalina so its SUPER annoying. this helped me alot, thanks (runs off to counter the roselina)
dash attack and downtilt for villager also puts luma into knockback at 50 hp, it's good for when rosa & luma are standing at the ledge or getting back up from ledge
0:18 Jul 11, 20XX The year is finally upon us. Rosalina mains have taken over every time cycle that Smash 4 comes into existence by slowly influencing Sakurai into nerfing everything that threatens her rule. All GameCube controllers have been destroyed and the metagame has evolved to the point that the winner is decided by controller latency. A new metagame has emerged, centered on who has the best Bluetooth interference device. The few Ryu mains still practicing are in hiding, waiting for the time to emerge and show off their infinite inescapable zero-to-deaths to end Rosalina's reign of terror.
For Toon Link, I like grounded Up-B. If you get Rosalina too, you can launch both of them away, and usually in opposite directions, so you can focus on Luma. Thought obviously it's a laggy move so it's a risk, but pretty rewarding.
You missed one, Ness' recovery on Rosa will sometime go through shield and hit Luma super far. What's special about Ness's recover on Rosa's shield is if the player is not paying attention they will drop their shield because the hit stun on Luma will make the hit box much longer than normal.
If you grab Rosalina with Fox and use forward throw, Luma will sometimes also be hit by the move which will send Luma flying nearly half a stage length even at full HP.
It's important to note that with more rage, more moves open up to knock away Luma at full health. For example, Yoshi can knock a full-health Luma away with an Egg Throw when he has enough rage. I think his n-air and b-air can as well.
i whould also like to note that any hit of bair will hit luma in to knockback the first and second hit hit luma downwards while the third hit hits away. i think bait is better for killing luma off the edge due to any of the 3 hits of bair confirming a kill on luma i normaly runoff bair when rosa is grabing the ledge with luma beside her
You forgot to mention that Fox's close to being fully charge forward smash also works. Forward air also works if luma is in the air that is. Fox's forward smash has to be I think half or close charged in order for it to work. I checked and it worked.
Falco can frame cancel his nair on luma safely, even if Rosa happens to be there, blocking it with shield. At 0%, Falco can use grounded up air (the hitbox in front of falco) to Dtilt to put luma into hitstun as well.
I've never found it too difficult to face her with Shulk because his disgustingly huge disjoint but I did have trouble with the matchup when I use Sonic so this is good to know
if you play Rosalina and want to protect your Luma from these moves, try turning around. you may feel vulnerable at first, but your back air is safer than you think and you can always turn around easily. it's also a great tactic to avoid getting surprised with rolls.
Just a thing to note with Shulk. Buster Monado Art makes Luma more resilient to getting knocked back due to Buster's lower knockback. Likewise, Smash Monado Art makes Luma more vulnerable to getting knocked back. F-Tilt works at full HP with Smash Art.
Star baby 50 hp
Big ass phantom
(in armor) 13 hp
*FAIR AND BALANCED GAMEPLAY*
It's really telling when an armored phantom has the vitality of a fire hydrant.
lmao
That has to do with real world logic, not balance.
That has to do with real world logic, not balance.
Okay, we're sorry... The phantom was made out of talc. BUT... We made sure to make that yellow pillow out of carbon fiber.
"I've left time stamps in the description"
scrolls down
Me: oh...
Be patient young padawan.
hello darkness my old friend
+Marche800 I've come to talk with you again.
What about it?
+J Bradley no. At the time, it said "still working on it". It wasn't even done yet.
I cant believe how much effort was put into a video dedicated to beating 1 specific character... My respect
A specific character that everyone (myself included) complains about.
1 specific aspect of 1 specific character*
ya, it's crazy how there's videos on how to handle top tiers. it's almost like their hard to fight or something. almost as if other lower tiers need buffs. basically if your character doesn't have a video (from any patch) explaining how to deal with them then you need buffs to your arsenal.
I'm proud of being a Rosalina main because of things like this :D Handling her properly is not something everyone can do!
Why respect an imbecile trying to hurt an innocent star baby creature?! Where's your humanity??! Huh?! Huh?! Huh?! Huh?! Huuuuuuuuhhh??!!
"*insert character name* best move is dash attack because it comes out fast
And has multiple hits
And hits luma the farthest
lol
and use back air for edgeguarding luma
certain character have slow dash attacks like Link
Good job not even mentioning edgeguarding Luma as Mac.
"for edgeguarding, use... Ummm... Ehhhhh..."
BigLord Use forward Smash because you can only use it on the ground, and that's where you should be anyway. Would D-Smash work?
>Mac
>edgeguarding
Lol
In all serious, a down smash will probably do it. Maybe even a down-angled forward smash. I don't play Mac at all so maybe there are other viable options but anything off stage seems way too risky.
+Eli M I dont play him either, but I think run off. ----> side b to the ledge might work.
As a frequent mac user, I can safely say down smash edgeguards amazingly. I don't know how effective it is on Luma, but I would imagine its a good choice.
For Pac-Man, if you bait Rosa to block an orange or key...that's also quite effective. Something you forgot to note--edgeguard with Down-B, Back-air, or booby-trap the ledge with a floating melon. Ton of options to work with.
Also, another note in this matchup: Rosa and the radioactive body pillow are easily separated if she blocks a hydrant coming down. The hydrant ALSO blocks Luma from passing through it, meaning Pac-Man can even single out whichever he wants to target if he conditions properly.
yeah, but the pacman-rosa matchup still sucks b/c down b
@FallingStarDX True, it sucks. Like, extremely unfun. But Pac-Man doesn't give her a victory for free.
He can bait down-B if she uses it at the wrong time, and scare her into making the wrong move. Among other things, of course. He can cover himself very well, even against her.
Pac vs. Rosa is not NEARLY as one-sided or bad as people think.
So this is what you've been doing instead of making videos for 2 months
+Fawfuls Minion That's true. It's def not unwinnable, as seen in aba vs dabuz at apex last year
If you're willing to take the risk, F-Smash is decent tool.
While slow, it's powerful, disjointed and has a good amount of range.
Though you have to take a good amount of hits to get rid of Luma, Rosalina can't hit as hard with out it.
So use everything trap &/or set up you got when it's gone.
Looks like Dabuz is gonna have some brand new notes.
I love you
And alot more people peeking at the notes #ANTI IN CLASS
Everyone's notes against Dabuz:
- Dash attack
(DaBuz's notes against everyone):
Up air
Seeing how its Dabuz, he probably already knows all of this
My personal favorite way of getting rid of Luma is quitting the game. This is because it is fast and is very reliable. A good combo is punch Rosaluma player into unplugging TV.
InfernoBurst noice
i think that a good way to finish that combo is to punch the rosa player
I always feel like a monster when I kill Luma. Like you just killed Rosalina's small, squishy and cute companion. And the little squeal it shrieks when Luma dies makes be sadddddd );
CodakQuack *grabs tinfoil hat* Then you realize that Rosa is Satan and Luma is her *IMP!*
but then you remember that when he gets the chance, he’ll carry you off the top with up airs and kill at 30
CojyTheDuck well all Lumas deserve it
here's a game. Take a shot of vodka everytime he says "dash attack" and a shot of wine when he says "fast"
Nin10d0 Rulz DA VV0rlD no one replied because they all passed out before they could say "I did it"
no because i would go into a coma and then die
How much of a chore was this video to make?
1,102 moves... Oh my God...
+Mathara Kamau Right?
i hate testing all the moves on my mains when ever they change just for how often i will use them let alone all in the game for luma thats some serious dedication!
So much that I have nightmares of luma's cries.
My Smash Corner Oh my.
**sees that fox can't launch luma very far**
Rip fox mains
I still think he wins the MU lol.
You can F throw her if she's close to Rosa.
Im disappointed he didn't out that your lasers can rack up against Luma and actually kill her if she takes more than 40%
What are matchups.
The Larry-Dabuz MU certainly isn't affected by that.
noooooo and Dabuz is so close to actually coming in first :'(
fuck dabuz, Rosa is a boring as character to watch
rip dabooze
I mean he won Apex and WTFox
+Brandon Colebankz Doesn't matter. He's still a good player.
And you think all the other top players who play against him in tournament don't know the best moves to get rid of Luma? lol
everytime you said "Here are the other moves that work." i super loved it. like the fact you rerecorded it each time made me happy too. love your videos!
Luigi needs to pushes Rosalina with his ass to hit Luma after? Amazingly INCREDIBLE :D
How hard is it to get yourself in the mood to make these video type of videos?
I know dude. Video type of videos can be so stressful.
Just like music songs.
+Dante Rowland Imagine how hard it is to make movie films.
You guys motivate me by watching and commenting =)
I want to edit my comment, but I feel like I would ruin the joke.
thank you for making such a thorough and comprehensive video on dealing with luma! one thing I've found that I think is worth mentioning is if you grab rosalina and do not throw her immediately, luma will move behind her.
I wait and back throw (as yoshi/ g&w) because it makes the most distance between them and then forward smash luma off the stage.
here are other moves that work
Right when I read that he said it too! XD
dude, you went in! awesome stuff as always man.
'after testing 1102 moves i will be now covering the most effective moves..'
more like 'after testing 1102 moves im tired as hell'
"Alphabetic order"
Oh then it starts with Al-
"BAYONETTA!"
As a Rosalina main, I both approve and disapprove this
I bet u suck
+Is This The Krusty Krab Maybe idk
+Is This The Krusty Krab No it's caveman spongebob
+DATDUMBDOG here comes the salty ness main
+DATDUMBDOG oh the irony
i liked this video simply because i could tell how much effort went into it, the matchup knowledge was just the cherry on top
Alright, here's the video
Now get good!
Nah. You get bad instead
defends rosalina and pre patch bayonetta, but complains about cloud dedede. seems legit
It could be an hour long video about countering Rosalina, and that won't help them to get good, they'll wait for nerfs like always. Funny because, personally, this should be common knowledge.
+RunningWithScissors Is that a doubles team or did you just mean these two characters individually?
+Black Pants individually
Teaching us how to kill Little Ms. Kill-You-At-40%. Yer doin' the Lord's work, son.
0:17 "Published on Jul 11, 20XX
Gosh, you work so hard! Great job!!
"Villagers best move is F-Air."
Rosa has down B
You are definitely one of the best Smash channels on RUclips. Good job!
6:18
"This is Luma very far"
I cant hear him say "sends" but i know thata what he meant
Crash Klyse Your timestamp is off. More like 6:09
So this is what was taling so long! Nice vid man and well worth the wait. this must have taken a while.
"here are other moves that work"
This may have been mentioned, but Fox's full hop Dair sends Luma into tumble at 0, and last hit of fair can as well
0:19 Published on Jul 17 20XX
Oh man thanks for this video. It must have take you many hours to complete. Keep up the great work!
When in doubt, dash attack.
Luma: Well what do you usually do when I'm gone?
Rosalina mains: Wait for you to come back...
I think you forgot rob in the time stamps but it's 12:51 if anyone wants to see haha
well done
Thanks
My Smash Corner Holy shit... A response.
+My Smash Corner hi
+My Smash Corner omg u my hero this well help eveyone fighting rosalina relying on lumas : D
We out here making combos on Luma now... the meta is evolving
this will NEVER help ness though
16 minutes? Damn my smash corner really put his time and effort to this one. That's true passion and dedication right there good shit man
lol rob side b. Most punishable thing rob has...
maybe his worst move
+ColdFlare X One of his best moves on for glory though
Oh well. Like Rosa alone can actually kill R.O.B. before 150% anyways.
as a ROB main, I can tell you I rarely used this move
+JeAl8a yeah the only thing I use it for is to approach a bad link/tlink
You are a Smash Saint, my man. Thank you for your dedication.
Thank you
You sir, are a legend. Thanks to you for doing all this testing for our benefit.
I can't stand that awkward pillow
I love it! So squishy and huggable
"i love pillows" pit 2014
+Lucas 7000 Same profile picture :D
+Sonny NE u r cool, hey, sub for sub??
+Lucas 7000 Sure ;)
Now just picture luma doing a solid snake death scream each time it dies from making this video
I don't approve of this.
Ha
Rip
fuck Rosalina and fuck you, luma, I main MK
You main Mortal Kombat? Or do you main Mario Kart?
Hahaha, Meta Knight. I'm to lazy to type
Hey, don't forget that Sonic can Side tilts Up, down, Left & Right to take out Luma as well too, ya know! @My Smash Corner!
Rosalina and luma are my main
This was a great video, thanks for putting so much effort and focus into it!
I'm a bit dissatisfied with this video, Smash Corner. It's cool how you mention all these ways of killing luma, but unlike most videos you make, you mention ABSOLUTELY no counters that can benefit Rosalina.
damn labbing this must have taken soo long and be exhausting! Respect and big thanks :)
great video
2 years later: Wait hold on it's vyQ from BSD :O
Alph should be first m8.. I am disappointed. :P
Man that remix of that dk song really fit with your outro
It's pretty amazing how Rosalina and Luma still manage to be two of the best characters in the game even after the nerfs + tutorials on how to fight against them
For ryu you can do DD1 onto luma which is safe, if luma's health is low or if rosa is faraway you can follow-up with either a forward air or dash attack respectively
Thanks for putting so much effort into your videos!
I love your videos, you're such a genius when it comes to make an analysis of this kind. Thanks and congratulations n.n .
1:57 its an acronym comment what it spells if you figured it out
You are so awesome my Smash Corner keep up the very excellent work and thanks for helping people with your guides like always. :)
Thanks so much for making this video! It helps a lot. :D
Also, good choice of music. ;)
This is actually an incredible video nice job
finally! a vid for countering rosalina and luma, my sister is super skruby and mains rosalina so its SUPER annoying. this helped me alot, thanks (runs off to counter the roselina)
This music brings back so many memories. I loved the game. DBZ legend of goku 1/2. Thanks for the amazing content.
When fighting Rosalina you can also do a down throw to f-tilt if luma is not directly under you you can kill luma that way, for Meta Knight.
dash attack and downtilt for villager also puts luma into knockback at 50 hp, it's good for when rosa & luma are standing at the ledge or getting back up from ledge
0:18
Jul 11, 20XX
The year is finally upon us. Rosalina mains have taken over every time cycle that Smash 4 comes into existence by slowly influencing Sakurai into nerfing everything that threatens her rule.
All GameCube controllers have been destroyed and the metagame has evolved to the point that the winner is decided by controller latency. A new metagame has emerged, centered on who has the best Bluetooth interference device.
The few Ryu mains still practicing are in hiding, waiting for the time to emerge and show off their infinite inescapable zero-to-deaths to end Rosalina's reign of terror.
For Toon Link, I like grounded Up-B. If you get Rosalina too, you can launch both of them away, and usually in opposite directions, so you can focus on Luma. Thought obviously it's a laggy move so it's a risk, but pretty rewarding.
You missed one, Ness' recovery on Rosa will sometime go through shield and hit Luma super far. What's special about Ness's recover on Rosa's shield is if the player is not paying attention they will drop their shield because the hit stun on Luma will make the hit box much longer than normal.
Thank you so much for covering Olimar
If you grab Rosalina with Fox and use forward throw, Luma will sometimes also be hit by the move which will send Luma flying nearly half a stage length even at full HP.
I really appretiate ur dedication on making this video, you are the best informant of this game. keep the nice content coming. thank you :)
It's important to note that with more rage, more moves open up to knock away Luma at full health.
For example, Yoshi can knock a full-health Luma away with an Egg Throw when he has enough rage. I think his n-air and b-air can as well.
In all my time spent in Super Mario Galaxy, I never thought I'd be watching a video about the entire smash cast takin out the cute lil guys.
RIP.
Dis Good! back to the Lab!
bruh u deserve more dude
props to u
keep up with the gud work ^^
drinking challenge. take a shot every time he says "it comes out fast"
0:18 Now that we know how to kill Luma... is the year 20XX approaching?!
i whould also like to note that any hit of bair will hit luma in to knockback the first and second hit hit luma downwards while the third hit hits away. i think bait is better for killing luma off the edge due to any of the 3 hits of bair confirming a kill on luma i normaly runoff bair when rosa is grabing the ledge with luma beside her
You forgot to mention that Fox's close to being fully charge forward smash also works. Forward air also works if luma is in the air that is. Fox's forward smash has to be I think half or close charged in order for it to work. I checked and it worked.
the amount of time and effort you put into your videos are mind blowing! you deserve more subscribers.
This kinda makes me sad because I used to have all DLC on my 3ds and then it broke and I got a new one and I played my smb card and my dlc was gone :(
0:49 most adorable moment in the video
Note on lucas: I find he side B to be most effective, since its a multi-hitbox and overall the safest, especially when wavebounced.
Falco can frame cancel his nair on luma safely, even if Rosa happens to be there, blocking it with shield. At 0%, Falco can use grounded up air (the hitbox in front of falco) to Dtilt to put luma into hitstun as well.
Rosalina & Luma are my secondaries so it's good to know what counters can i done agains this, great video
Lucas' PK Fire is also very good at keeping Luma away
I've never found it too difficult to face her with Shulk because his disgustingly huge disjoint but I did have trouble with the matchup when I use Sonic so this is good to know
if you play Rosalina and want to protect your Luma from these moves, try turning around. you may feel vulnerable at first, but your back air is safer than you think and you can always turn around easily. it's also a great tactic to avoid getting surprised with rolls.
R.I.P. Luma you will not be missed
thanks for doing all the testing!
Just a thing to note with Shulk. Buster Monado Art makes Luma more resilient to getting knocked back due to Buster's lower knockback.
Likewise, Smash Monado Art makes Luma more vulnerable to getting knocked back. F-Tilt works at full HP with Smash Art.
For Glory tends to be too laggy to change the outcome, but in tournament play, you've just saved me.
Incredible work. Keep it up
Ness can also reflect luma, a bit difficult but can be done and it's the same for Lucas (this goes for when Rosalina uses her neutral B move)
"I've left time stamps in the description"
"Published Jul 11, 20XX"
For Samus, you forgot about dash attack into nair. One or two nairs will take care of luma super quick.
he didnt have to go through every single move
but he did.
he did it for us.
thank you
This is when Dabuz notices that he might not be able to freewin anymore..