Who Is This 3D Printer For? // JGMaker G5 First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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I'm perplexed by the JGMaker G5. A resin 3d printer with some added functionality that comes at a price. Here are some first prints and some final thoughts on a first impression.
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Hello joel, this is bill from jgmaker, the reason for high price tag is the shipping fees is quite expensive , and also we want to keep more margin room for our reseller, anyway, we may consider to adjust price tage and upgrade machine as well.
Hey Bill from JGMaker, hope you're having a wonderful New Year, I'm backer 1203 for the Artist-D. Any idea where my printers are?
@@klschofield71 hello kevin, it is on the way to USA, we ship all basic version out for our kickstarter backers already
@@marcol869 $1k won't be possible because shipping cost is quite expensive already, and also the machine itself is also expensive
@@minhonggao5383 Thanks. Is your distributor in Texas? There has been a serious weather problem there that has knocked out power to most of the state. Could be a potential cause for delay and might be worth sending out another update thru the KS campaign platform.
@@klschofield71 we ship all basic version out already, and also pro version is almost finish, please check our kickstarter update
I feel like this machine would be great for schools. The interface is very similar to other FDM machines like the Sidewinder X1 and the built-in curing station makes the process very simple. While a maker like myself would buy something like an Elegoo Mars, people who don't know exactly how the system works would get great value out of this. It teaches students how it works and how to service the machine.
I would not put a resin printer in schools. These resins are a mix of mystery chemicals throwing off VOCs, and as you can see, the curing chamber doesn't even have a safety lock for UV exposure. While it's great Joel gloved up, he should be wearing a NIOSH mask for VOCs.
@@truantray I'm thinking colleges and universities could make use of this. At that age, people are usually smart enough to follow instructions for stuff like this. And if they can't, don't let them use the machine!
@@BlatantlySwedishPGN yeah that seems better for educational institutions that have a robust laboratory and protocols. In school a kid would propably messed up kids always messed up someway.
@@BlatantlySwedishPGN personally I see the issue closer to the wrong instructions being given than to people not following the instructions
Raw resin is the modern asbestos IMO. Gloves at a minimum, chemical filtering face mask preferred.
The potential for lawsuits in a decade when the full extent of dangers becomes known is too high for my taste
@@BlatantlySwedishPGN I mean you could probably trust a junior or senior in high school (assuming they've been trained).
Seems like for the price one would be better off getting one of the larger build volume machines offered by Peopoly or Phrozen and fabricobbling their own curing station.
I was not expecting a resin printer. Also cool intro. :)
Having worked in prototyping professionally I can tell you I agree with your points on cleaning.
The more resin you can remove, the better. We used soft paint brushes for cleaning prints. The model should be almost matte in appearance when clean. Any shiny spots is excess resin that still needs to be removed.
The print also needs to be dry before curing. IPA will interfere with curing. Compressed air is the easiest way to dry the print.
The size of the model does not really affect the curing time. We had set times depending on the type of resin. Usually a minimum 30 min per side. (30 min then flip for a total of 60) Longer if still not cured. Opaque resins always take longer than clear.
Hope that may have answered any questions.
I have had experience with FDM only, but a curing station attached to a machine isn't that good of an idea, since, as a 3D printing business, you'll likely have multiple machines, but you only need one curing station. At that point, it's more cost-efficient to get a fleet of Anycubic resin machines and one or two curing stations instead of getting a few of these with useless hardware added to the bill.
For $2500 it should print and automatically wash and cure it without having to manually move the print over
I would imagine they could probably do that with like an extra linear rail, but it makes sense why the development team wouldn't want to bite off more than they can chew.
If that existed I would buy it instantly. Resin Printing but as easy as FDM. I see no reason why someone could not spend a weekend and come up with a way to print and auto move the part to be washed and cured. You could even use pumps to fill and empty chambers with alcohol.
@@Chupria now you’re talking! While we’re at it, why not filter the alcohol back into the bottle? 😁
Exactly! That would be the ticket. Then charge even MORE and position for the small office and design firm.
I can't see the benefit of having to pull the whole machine away from the wall to swap out the resin bottle.
This would be great for someone who is just getting into resin printing, and has money to burn. Plus It looks cool.
Out of curiosity, is this a demo/beta unit or is this the final form they'll be selling?
The pump works in the same way as a medical pump in dialysis units. The pump itself doesn't get in contact with the resin at all. It squeezes the tubing to transport it to the chamber.
If any UV-Light is curing the Resin within the tube, you still don't have to replace the pump
Like the concept, but seems to be missing in execution. I could see the curing station being a big bonus, would like to see that be detachable. Would also be cool if a peristaltic pump was attached that would deliver resin at the rate of curing. That would fix the curing in the pump issue, because that would be contained in the tube as a peristaltic rolls over the tube to produce the suction. Would also be nice is the tube was brown or black to shield from UV light along with some sort of stopper top to fit into the resin bottle for a good seal on that side.
Question, could you cure under liquid with this station?
I got an Elegoo Saturn setup with Anycubic station. I get better screen, and better results for 1/3 the price. This one is a hard pass for me.
Looks Nice. If it was in the $800.00 price range with a few fixes. Loved the snow footage at end. Send some Snow to Las Vegas Joel.
Would have been awesome if that printer could automate the curing process once the print is done.
Missed opportunity there. Maybe in the next revision?
For $2500, how many Elegoo Mars 2 Pros and Anycubic wash/cure stations could you buy? I don’t know the prices off the top of my head, but I bet it’s at least three of each.
That being said, there are some ideas worth building on. Automatic refill of the resin tank is really neat. The spring-loaded build plate is intriguing as well. With a little more engineering effort and testing, those could be used on future printers to great effect.
If I were them I would ditch the curing station and use the space to enclose larger resin bottles/pump assembly so they are UV isolated and easy to access unlike the back of the machine.
I would assume the pump in the machine is a peristaltic pump in which case if its exposed to UV while full of resin you would only need to change the tubing to recommission it which I don't think would be so bad or costly while you're learning to follow resin printer protocol.
The pump needs to be primed for it to actually move something!
Feels like it is half way there, with multiple missed opportunities. I can see this form factor working well in a business, where you might only use one material per machine. So a reservoir that could be filled would make more sense than a bottle. The lack of a wash feature is the big miss. Joel has to use the wash container from another $150 station to finish the job. If there were a way to move the platter to the wash\cure side and wash without removing from the machine that would be perfect. Finally, with that huge size, a built in tray that slid out from underneath would be great for containing messes. It could have a silicone liner, and when closed a couple LEDs could cure the mess for easy clean up.These kind of features would justify the cost better. Otherwise, break it up into multiple pieces like Anycubic and Elegoo.
Autotrader shows a very nice 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT for $2490, or a 2009 Jeep Compass Sport for $2495 . . . .
Big silly machine. Big silly price. Just big and silly.
I agree although it could be useful for businesses
I was all for this machine until... you know.... silly price tag!!!
Waste of time TBH.
Cant find where to sign up for the Nikko Industry news letter and the free iron man helmet stls
Joel regarding the cure section lights being only at the top, couldn’t you bash together some sort of raised platform to make smaller prints closer to the uv lights?
Also, is that tube in the back able to block uv light? I’m thinking of a stray beam of sunlight from an open window or uv light somewhere hitting it while it is drawing resin. Could make for a nasty clog
I think it’ll be awesome!
Helmets in how many pieces? Looks like it'd be more than two.
Very nice. Soo big my wife will kill me if I have this. But I can sell it as a combo unit. It would eliminate my curing station. 🤔 Hmm
Yeah but try selling that $2500 price tag!
@@heathbecker420 I don't think that's too expensive.
I'm building my own 3D printer, it cost $3.000+
@@heathbecker420 A Prusa SLA1 Kit is $1600+ that's high, and this machine does have some nice feature to be fair
Sean having fun with intros? 😄
😎
Uuuuuuu new intro
I wonder why they don't just provide a way to make the build chamber be the curing chamber. Just take out the vat and put in a turntable. UV LEDs can be along the sides. Also, on this printer, putting the bottle on the back is a strange (inconvenient) choice.
The attached curing station seems a bit useless. It would make more sense to have an attached wash station and then use a proper shared filter. Just a curing station is kinda useless.
First thought after seeing the box post unboxing:
Joel = savage
Hey Joel big fan of the channel. Can you do a review of the Sovol SV03?
Eventually owning a resin printer and washing/curing station should be like owning a washer/dryer combo
Joel says: sorry I cannot send it back, because I had to destroy the box.
I have to agree it’s difficult to see who would buy this and I think it’s more convenient to have the two parts separate. But not at this price and a machine this expensive should not have issues, auto fill resin is a gimmick I don’t see the point just another thing to break. Can’t get over the price.
But.... on description features for speed write is display 20mm/s......here for a benchy 4 hours?
$2500?...nope I"ll stay with my Anycubic setup for $500....it has a better washer for less!!
Just send one my way too id like to take a look also
I'd like to see a snapmaker review.. unless I missed it?
Gotta say I prefer the previous intro
Built in curing station is pretty pointless. Maybe they aimed at fully automated and didn't get very far?
Say that price tag fast enough, it's not to bad. Lol. There are are other split systems for better cost & 4k plate. Having 2 systems in one, not a fan of. If something breaks on 1 side & it affects the other side, then technically the whole machine is down. Bad idea on the pump. That would be bad to have to clean it.
I want
I don't think its worth it personally. You can buy a Saturn that will do all that and you just get or make a cleaning station and the prints are just every bit as good if not better. If I were to spend $2500 on a resin printer I'd get one of the big ones.
i'll stick with a mono-x and a stand alone curing station
Hmm looks like something intended for educational/professional use but schools at least typically are being restricted from buying out of country and professionals are getting good enough to use more hobby priced machines, had this been released 4 years ago or priced 50% down, it would be much more compelling of a buy
If grandma had balls she would be Grandpa!!! Just sayin!!!
@@joearchuleta7538 I beg your pardon? What? Lol
Hey Joel. In like 2-3 weeks ill be sending my fan mail. I know I keep putting it off and I have a reason. Well, one reason is I have no money to send the package, 2... well, you'll find out.
At this price I would have expect it to wash and cure the print without me having to do something :-)
That was my thought too first;)
Curing station but not cleaning ? 🤔 Overall this is crazy overprice.
In my opinion.
No news letter...
$ 2,400, not in 2,400 years!
For anyone who has the money and wants a printer :)
Just a little suggestion: For us that think in inches, please give both sizes in inches and mm. Especially when talking about bed sizes. Many of us that have 3d printers in the US don't think in metric.
Just start thinking in metric
Ok so if I take a resin printer and use packing tape and connect a wash & cure station to it I have a better printer than they do because mine would also wash and cure and be about $1,500.00 cheaper + when one of the items craps out & you know one will quit before the other one you cot the tape and replace the broken on and your on your way HAY if I don't tape them together I can save the cost of the tape and just have more cash to start my printer farm
this is a bad idea like the VHS & CD packed in the same unit VHS players last a few years if you really take good care of them. the CD players last a lot longer so putting short shelf life player with a longer shelf life player makes no sense same as this printer if it were modular and about 1/2 the price it might be a little more useable + if they could add the water tub like other wash T cure systems have it would be a lot better OK well thats the first chapter in my new book
A 3d printer with a builtin microwave. Great.
This is why you beta test first. $30,000 printer anyone? Creality CR-30?? How hard is it to have an independent maker review the product so to catch and fix these issues before sending it to a reviewer? Ugh, now I am on my soapbox... This printer is in early beta, as most new 3d printers nowadays.
Not more than 1k $ for this unit! Seems like that to me.
Joel seemed pretty unenthusiastic about this printer review. Couldn't be arsed to remove the last print from the build plate, that kind of says it all...
That price is stupid
I can't take this .......
you can clearly see its from china due to all that typical chinese yellow tape they use to tape boxes
You better tell Nikko Industries to stop using iron man in their logo
Will you receive the IVI printer?
They're shipping now aparently
Would like another review from you
Thanks for being honest.
Anyone else miss the previous intro music? I feel like I'm having withdrawals.
The old intro was better. I miss the music too. 😞
Sweet Baby Jesus.... that is a beast of a Resin Printing Unit!
Yuuuup
Totally
2500 bucks for a 2K printer with a LARGE screen is terrible sorry, detail and reolution are going to be absolutely awful, the screen should have been AT LEAST 4K and probably 6K for that price. The rest is just gimmicks and some don't even work properly or are crappy like the curing chamber. Though I do like the engineering of the build plate, that is clever.
CHEERS JOEL AND TEAM!! Much appreciate you guys having me!
For a bit more you have a peopoly L printer.
Whoaaa that intro, when did that come around, hit me up with more of that.. (vibecat gif)
If the build volume was 200 x 200 mm instead of 210x130mm on the x and y, then I would think it would be worth $2100. That's it's current price. I honestly don't like these rectangular build volumes.
Been printing with resin professionally for a little bit now. Blowing off the models is crucial for good prints. Doing so lets you see if that was just IPA or actually resin pooling up in a spot.
At $2,500, that should be a much more polished device. Manual bed leveling at that cost? smh
That opening was slick! I hope it stays around
p.s. That's not knife
Seems overly priced for what you are getting but great video.
DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM! lmfao!
Ohhhhh nice graphics
sock puppets unite!
I'm looking at this and saying, "ok, we have a resin printer and a curing station built into one box for convenience... but where's the washing station?" Doesn't seem like a well thought out product if it's not covering all three phases of the resin printing workflow.
Because everybody has different techniques on how to wash and such. But there is only one way to cure.......
So they cant cater to dozens of different wash methods or "home made techniques" that each person feels works better for each material or even different objects. The printer only prints one way, and the cure section only cures one way....sooooo, maybe?
Probably don't want to advocate using liquid near the machine, alongside that would make the machine even bigger, this definitely has some nice features and I'm sure if batch making you could get a flow together of parts finishing prints and being washed as the last finish curing etc
@@cdav2199 It's a resin printer. How are you meant to use it without getting liquid near the machine?
@@POTATOEMPN Yep, maybe. Seems odd to me because I use an Anycubic Wash & Cure unit, so it's already combined. It's about as strange to me as having a Resin Printer + Washing Station combination without a Cure Station because people might already have Nail Polish Curing machines.
Cool new intro
good review. Thanks!
When possible I just let my models dry before curing. I've also been trying something Adam Savage recommended, cutting a round hole in a box, just big enough for a hairdryer nozzle. Model inside, hairdryer in the hole, a few minutes later you have a dry model.
1:42, who else thought is was their phone vibrating? ^^
Intro lit!!!
I would pay extra for having the resin resivoir automated the way this one is (but one that would work preferably), but I don't need the curing chamber at all. How much cheaper would be if they could just put that feature on a regular $200 resin printer.
I think you're playing for the industrial look and the idea that it's a "professional" machine. Probably catering to the bosses at the company who don't use the machine so don't know any better. Like the bosses at animation studios who spend a fortune on maya when the same job could be done for less (and often easier) with LightWave.
Traaaash
It slices, it dices, it. . . I won't go there. It's like they started out with a decent fair sized printer and then everyone got drunk and started coming up with the dumbest additions they could. "And a pump, that can have a bottle on the back of the printer so you can't put it in a corner or against a wall! People will love that!"
Dear gods that half assed curing chamber. The speed it spins at I'm surprised it doesn't throw the models off. Lighting only from the top and 30lbs additional sheet metal to attach it to the printer.
Nuke it from orbit, that's the only solution.
ioooooooh new intro
12:58 Rotary tool make quick work of those pock marks.
Liked the video. Not impressed with the JGMaker. However, the Craftbots in the background is on my wish list because of dual-extruders. Like to know more about that.
that is so neat that it is an all in 1 machine! Also, RIP to that box haha
Meh...JGMaker hardly screams quality to me. You could get a Phrozen 4k Mighty and a cure station for a whole lot less.
This thing is pretty horrible. Much better off with the simpler Anycubic printer and Wash/cure chamber as a separate unit.
Thanks for the information. Not ready for resin printing yet. Maybe in the future... Great 411 video!
Don't like it if the cure station breaks the whole things broke to me just my opinion lol and the resin pump is not a good idea at all and its not worth 2500 dollars no way you can get the same size machine resin printer and a separate curing station for just over 1000 dollars i would think
Jeez what a mess.
It's so annoying it looks really good and the aesthetic appeal is there, but at that price it's unjustifiable,
it's Joel and the giant box! resin, resin printer...Don't Stop Believing! did it just ding? how do you not have any gray hair?
I could buy a gigantic printer for that kind of money! the prints didn't really look detailed enough for me.
Not a fan of the combined concept. I prefer separate, they can break separately, I can upgrade separately and I can work in different locations. There is not really any innovation with this concept, and it just feels... awkward.
Looks like an inconvenient location for the resin bottle. That one bottle will make it sit a lot further from the wall.
Might be a dual purpose thing there to leave room for the exhaust?