SUGAR | How It's Made
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2018
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Me before watching this: I wonder how sugar is made
After watching this: *even more confused than before
Just mad science 🤪
I know Right? Lost me..
thank you very much for telling me it is definitely a crucial part of my existence
Minecraft got that covered
''I wondered how sugar is made but this confused me even more''
There, i corrected it for you.
Whenever I see these "How it's made"-videos, i always end up thinking "How did whoever invented these things manage to discover it?"
its actually fairly simple, the initial product made in a lab or a workshop, when discovered (and when its something useful) brings the next question to the table: Can we make this more efficient and larger scale? Then after that factories are created, and as technology advances, some new steps are added to make the product better for consume etc
@@polaskatyu9368 you explained how they're produced, not how they're discovered.
@@hongo3870 they are discovered by an idea, that needs to be refined. Very basic example: If I were on the 1600 and saw a sugar cane, “Could I make this crunch?”, its an idea that comes from nowhere which leads to the greatest discoveries
ruclips.net/video/S9AqCsR7TWg/видео.html.
@@suriyabeniwal4096 bad no one cares about your marketing
Absolutely fascinating. Never knew it was a long process like this.
I work in a sugar beet processing plant and its very similar to the way the cane juice is processed. Our facility is a much bigger scale as we produce on average 1150 - 1250 tons of white sugar a day compared to their 400 ton a day in this video. Still pretty cool to see the difference/similarities.
Where is factory located?
@@yusufsharif9160mumbai
Is sugar really bad for health?
@@LitajasmineLike everything it's ok if you consume it in a manageable amounts but if you eat a ton of sugar daily your gonna develop a ton of problems down the line
@@tomwithatophat6457 thenks bud!
I always wonder when watching any of these vids: wat the hell was going thru the person's mind when they figured out this entire process!? Where did they even start!?
thsone meth
Ikr, what madlad decided to drink almost rotten fruit juice(alcohol), and decided it tasted good.
The Fluff they watched animals eating rotting fruit and get intoxicated. Or they noticed people weren’t getting sick on fermented liquids, when they were dying in droves by drinking water. So on and so forth
A great video, helps us learn a lot of interesting things.
That's the thing man...
It's NEVER one single person...
they making a sugar but the place and machine looks like they making cement for buildings.
HaHaHa🤣🤣🤣
True!
Yes the rotary drier looks like a cement calciner kiln, but trust me, bad as this looks, a cement works is ten times worse.
Do you have Instagram? 😍
Moonbat yes
Whta do you hoping for, wanna look like Willy wonka factory
Remember watching episodes of this in the middle of the night on TV. They'd show it all night whenever everything else was finished. I must've learned a lot subconsciously, but don't ask me to remember any of it lol.
A sugar factory worker in Jamaica once told me that, during harvesting of the Canes, Rodents are scooped up and crushed during the process. The things we unknowingly in-jest is alarming.
Me throughout the process:
This is clean this is clean this is clean....
😂😂
Me too
omg same 😂
Eeeeewwww.....that look gross....!
It obviously is
During this entire process, i completely forgot they're making sugar.
Lol
He only says sugar 500 times during this video
Same
Yeah same
"Oh right, the sugars."
My mom is a chemical engineer and she spent her entire career in change of a quality control lab in a sugar mill. This brings me back to her and her stories. A lot of familiar terms
a sugar beet factory?
so your mom was a drug dealer
*in charge, not
*in change
What's the salary
spurgt
Wow, that’s amazing! When you’re adding sugar to your drinks and food, you almost never think of where it comes from or how it’s produced.
Back in the day it would have came from the worst human suffering, slave labor. Sometimes still today..
me before watching the video: "how processed can it be, they just extract the cane juice and dry it out"
me after watching the video: "oh"
Lol
Ditto
😆
Seriously! What the hell.... add Lyme, sulphur dioxide, alcohol...
unrefined sugar exists its made without using chemicals
This was *a lot* more elaborate than I ever thought.
Exactly‼️ It is a much longer process than I had ever imagined!
Like you could probably make sugar by simply boiling the juice (which from what I have heard tastes amazing) but it would be brown, almost black, full of impurities and probably not the best all around. Adding lime for example really helps. This kind of an industrial process not only makes very pure sugar (which might be what your consumers want even though I like brown sugar more) but also with nice uniform crystals (in 19th century you would buy sugar in loaves that were pretty hard and required manual breaking and grinding to make something you could powder a cake with) and what is the most important thing, very efficiently in large amount.
I thought it was just dehydrated cane sugar.
@@susanbrogan2517 That would be panela or rapadura. Dehydrated sugar cane juice into a solid block which retains its impurities. It is a staple food in my country, I love to use it instead of refined sugar in my hot/cold drinks.
@@draco147 Yes, thank you for your response.
As an American I do love Discovery UK. You make excellent to the point short videos on very interesting processes that affect everyone. Growing up with my grandparents on their farm I always loved molasses with grandma's hot biscuits. Nothing better to start your day off. PJ
Amazing process for what you'd think was just a simple kitchen staple... very informative!
For all the effort of growing, harvesting, processing, energy, additives, it amazes me that sugar is so damn cheap
its just simple supply and demand at work. Most people know that the cost of things is affected by supply and demand.
But what often people dont take into account in regards to supply and demand is the demand of something can cause the amount available to always be so high that the cost to buy it will always be cheap.
when there is not enough the price goes up when there is more then enough the cost decreases. This is what normally people think of the concept of supply and demand.
When something is in such demand such as sugar. The amount needed is often so great that the amount of it available is always more then enough. Thus always cheap.
The demand of sugar causes its cheapness. IN first world countries sugar is one of those things that will always remain cheap. Until the plants that are required to make sugar go extinct that is. Or the human race loses its love addiction to sugar.
@@georgebarton1582 Or the human race eventually dies by too much sugar consumption
@@jentebonnema2244 80 percent of the worlds sugar is made from sugar cane. Sugar beets represent only 20 percent of the source of sugar.
Dont know where you got your information from but it was wrong.
Or your just talking about a specific areas source of sugar in which case you might want to add that.
@@jentebonnema2244 Depends where you live. In warmer climates they use cane and in temperate climates they use beets. Globally last year, 80% of sugar production came from cane and 20% from beets.
They just get cane
Imagine the dude that had to figure all this out just becuase he wanted something sweet in his tea.
Refined sugar is terrible for you.
@Wikkitt Klown not that hatf
And who was too scared of bees
No one actually figured it out. It was a collective effort by chemist and physicist over a period of time. Obtaining sugar from sugar cane isn't hard but don't forget that most of the process is removing impurities from it.
@Wikkitt Klown You do realize those same chemical is what helps clean the impurities right from the sugar right?. And as for the oversize machine helps process it properly
As analytical chemistry student, I like the process and it takes me back to class for quality assurance,
This was very informative. Thanks for posting it.
This all seems a bit too complicated. I prefer the simple sugarcane to sugar recipe from Minecraft
yesyes 😎👍
I always thought about Minecraft while watching this
Yessir
Lol sorry this real life ain't minecraft💀
Yes
Can't imagine their deadly daily battles against ants
Factory war 1: Great Ant-vasion
There are no ants, when there is a high enough concentration of sugar, a chemical toxic to insects is produced
This is poison that even the ants don’t want.
@@VoltairesRevenge 10-4
Lol
I will never look at sugar the same as I did before I saw this. it is all so amazing. Thanks.
Wow really amazing to see the process and also very useful too. Thank you so much 🙂🙂
At some point it was looking like they r processing sewage water... 😂😂
Thank you RUclips I always wanted to know how diabetes was made
420smoker89 fuck you
Fact. Insulin is a cash cow.
Eric R my mom always has to pay so much for my insulin
Haha
420smoker89 not all diabetes tho
Stay blessed.....thank you for giving information......great job
i remember visiting a sugar factory as a kid
the smell still stays with me to this day...now i realise it was sulphur that i was smelling
horrible
nahh it was just sugar
I bet the workers on that factory are the sweetest person you'll meet
Get out
Hahahaha
probably smells like sulfur dioxide farts
ha ha.
Cane you just shut up
When I see these videos I always wonder if they ever clean the machines...
Never
What about the trait of insects and rats
@Verty Wouldn't it start to get moldy because of all the stuff that gets stuck?
@@daniquecramer369 i guess no because they are constantly working. no product stays still so mold can grow.
The metals are full of rust & didn't even used stainless steel.
These factory workers and all manufacturers seem simple genuine human beings
Me trying to sleep at 3 AM
My brain: wanna know how sugar made?
OMG 😱 I’m just watching right now at 3:30 am 😳
@@UnitedWorldLife195 😂😂😂😂😂
@@UnitedWorldLife195 3:12 am here
@@singularityhq
RIGHT.. 6 HOURS AGO
same bro
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it's mostly a need, without sugar you die
Makichika but you can get sugar from fruits and plants, processed sugar isn’t necessary
Makichika Actually Carbohydrates/Sugars are the one macronutrient humans can live without. Protein and Fat are the only two necessary ones. The body can either run off of fat or sugar, but the body has to get fat, our ancestors ran off of fat most of the time, sugar was a treat they would store as energy if they could find it.
Makichika there are other sources. Table sugar is unnecessary and our tolerance is horrible resulting in needing more sugar consumed. A can of soda does just about the same thing a can of beer does yet we willingly give our children a can of coke or pepsi. Fat being made the bad guy of the heart disease war also caused sugar contents to rise to supplement the taste that was lost in low fat foods. Sugar causes more issues in the human body with inflammation at the root of a lot of issues. Especially diabetes... but no “without sugar you die” nope with all the sugar that’s in all the processed food out there. We are already dying dude.
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I love this channel
The ppl who designed the machine dont get the credit they deserve
Sure
They most likely got that paycheck though. Machinery is NOT cheap
i said the same thing
They get lots and lots of money, and repeat business.
exactly, it is called product designing done by engineers
Sometimes I don't question where RUclips algorithm leads me. I let it kiss my forehead, hold my hand and follow it into darkness or a sugar milling industry without blinking.
Yep.
😂😂😂😂😂
I skip a lot of it.
My man 😁
Mate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s incredible how much processing needs to get done to make “raw sugar”.
What about cooked sugar?
I don't think this can be considered raw.
This video just motivated me to go from consuming less sugar to no sugar so thank you discovery 😅
Mechanical engineers really paved the way for the food industry. Magnificent machines!
Horrible invention. That's why most people are overweight and dying over so many different things.
This was on my mind as I watched this...more of who made these machines and how?
@@gatesroyale also fed alot of people for alot cheaper. Alot of people who other wise would've starved
@@walshwalsh6828 Starvation is better than addiction or lifelong health problems. There are some great inventions and discoveries (like advances in medicine such as insulin pumps) that have improved people's lives. But the process of making sugar has only led to ruin, just like social media has made people more anxious.
@@Aronnax777 So why do you use oil?Why not chomp the vegetables and meat raw?After all oil is a big source of fats
Who the hell in the old times thought: "Imma squeeze this cane real tight and make sugar with its juices"???
They didn't lol they bit it and found it tastey I know I did 😍😍
Cane juice 🤤
It's not that hard to get juice from the canes!
@@Ami_Hime Are you sure it was cane juice? Not some other white liquid from a thick cane-like object? 🤭😉
@@walnutsandbeastiality866 ew fella
sugarcane is sweet
they extracted the sweet sugarcane juice, but it went bad over time, and was not easy to store.
they then dried and refined sugar cane juice
now sweetness is easy to store and doesn't go bad.
We need a video on "how it's made" for the machines that do all the work next :)
I was lucky enough to visit Taiwan in the early 2000s. Beautiful country and kind people.
this video rlly said: "trust the process"
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Im just astonished that we even thought to do all of this just to get sugar
Angelina Faye, it's also made from sugar beets; I wonder which production process is more lengthy: cane sugar or beet sugar?
The crude process is very simple, what you see here is highly refined process.
Its a usable product without doing this, so its not just to get sugar. People drink raw sugar cane juice; just squashed raw cane. Add it your food, run it over a fire, dry in a pot over night...and its noticeable it takes all these different forms. Then its just a matter of refinement.
mukbangin angel “WE”???
Peter Griffith yeah "we" as in humanity
Amazing and complex process
im amazed that something as elaborate and involved as this is, to make something as cheap as sugar, is productive enough to be profitable...
Just one question....
How do they keep the ants away??
They accept all forms of life. Dont be speciesist.
They call it salt factory😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@sarahthegreat2593 Good one!!😂😂
Sarah the great lol 😂
Sooper sarah
And this is why I prefer honey in my tea. Bee vomit for the win.
This is the most british thing I ever heard. Lemme try to speak ur language: rain rain London bridge rain, Tea tea queen tea. Did I make any mistakes?
😂
I prefer fresh sugar cane juice
@@joaopiza9478 I am afraid you have made loads
We obviously also ramble about crumpets
And sometimes dead bees
Great video.
This clip reminds me of my grandfather. He was chemist at various sugarmills' around South Africa
WHOA. I never really understood how heavily "processed" sugar is. This was really eye opening.
Well of course, its literally sugar crystals extracted from juice. A lot of things in nature have sugar in them, but theres no such thing as a pure sugar solution
@@dihydrogenmonoxide7600 But there must be a way to get the sugar out of the pulp and water without using all those chemicals.
@@ChristmasEve777 why bother making something inherently extremely unhealthy slightly less unhealthy, if you need something sweet a bit of honey is a much better way to go
@@ezodragon hmmm honey is good but there is nothing wrong with sugarcane. It's also natural. It's all the processing they do on it that makes it unhealthy. Even honey can be made unhealthy.
@@NB-yu4lj Just remember, ANYTHING processed is processed by some mega corporation who undoubtedly cares more about profits then health. Anything processed is bad. Just buy pure organic cane sugar.
Coronavirus got me watching this. That's how bored I am
🤣🤣🤣
Me...
Corona isn't that bad stop over reacting
@@Wickedonezz hahaha u will know soon.
@@rollingrocky3608 no I won't?
Great video. No one imagine that all these steps go on before adding sugar to the morning coffee.
Amazing very hard work
RUclips recommended last week: how to make a pencil.
RUclips recommend this week: how to make a sugar.
RUclips knows how much I'm useless person and trying to make me educated every week :).
I got same recommendations 🙄
Not really education though is it? It's not knowledge you can apply unless you're planning to make sugar or pencils.
Love Anime dudeeee I can’t believe u I got the same recommendations
Lol I got the same recommendation
Same!! So everyone is here with a pencil..now you will be leaving with a bag of sugar!
It's extremely fascinating to see how things we take for granted, require a crazy ton of work to be produced.
Fascinating!
Very good video ❤
This literally makes me want to stop eating sugar
Good luck, there's sugar in everything, even salads...
So it's better if you don't watch a single video of food industries or you will never eat anything
@God Howard Only raw honey or organic stevia leaves pulverized are the only healthy sweeteners, the stuff selled at supermarkets are trash that taste bad and give you diabetes as much as regular sugar...
Good luck lmao
Brown sugar is Better for You.
Thanks! Now I can make my own homemade sugar at my house just like this!
KarmaXD 😂😂
what a coincidence, i met you on discord about a month ago and randomly found your comment on this video. small world.
You only need couple of pound of finely ground chemicals and 1 gallon of liquid chemicals 🤣😂
We live near a sugar mill when we were kids. The mill dump mud press in nearby fields. when the mud press age a kind of mushroom grows.We use to collect mushrooms and give it to our mother and she cooks it for dinner.
This is so interesting. I realized this was in my country until I saw the bag. My maternal family has fields of cane that are part of that brand. I dont really know how it works, we have never seen money from that, just some other relatives, so we never got interesed in that business. We only knew because every year they make a huge family gathering- I dont attend anymore- but when I was little I remember there was cane juice everywere and they extracted the juice and gave us the cane to chew, it was delicious. It is really interesting to get to know the process from a youtube video instead than from my relatives 🤣
i could never imagine that the processa of making sugar was this nasty and advanced.
sugar beets which is another sugar resource is processed the exact the same way really. It's a messy process in general.
I will never eat sugar again this shit looks so damm bad for you 😱🤭
@@Theone-xx9zy you do realize every food you eat has some form of sugar right?
Fruits, syrups, whole and refined grains contain sugars like fructose, glucose.
Dairy contains lactose another sugar.
Nuts contain sugars, so that's off the table.
Vegetables in that are classified as root, grouds, and buckwheat also contain sugars so those are gone. If you want to include the vegetables with under a gram of sugar. Then say goodbye to vegetables.
The only thing that doesn't contain sugar naturally is animal based protein. However since the animals consume sugar likely, you might want to rule that out.
So what your left is....
WATER. Congrats you will have only water for your meals from now on.
@@alex-marquette lol
@@alex-marquette He's talking about refined sugar.
crystalizing a single solid component out of an entire organism/plant takes a lot of steps, I'm confused as to how many people are surprised or put off by the chemistry/physics behind it.
I confused also..
Better to chew real sugar cane then consume the processed, (devoid of nutrients) product. Diabetes, Cancer anyone?
Cockroaches will not eat our spilled food anymore.
They are smarter than we are.
Do you know much about history? I do, I'm surprised you don't. You're dumb
I'm not surprised or put off, just always curious about what demented lunatic visualized this process the first time!
Do you ever watch these and still have no clue how the process works?
Well, that just happened for me.
One sugar cane in a crafting table makes one sugar, that’s all you need to know
I’ve been watching this since 2012. I remember falling asleep while watching people make a ham leg, and I also remember how they made coca-cola. Dude, this stuff is underrated for falling asleep, and is like something that is either intentionally fascinating or intentionally boring-to-sleep. Either way, I LOVE HOW-IT’S-MADE!!!
i love this because my dad would show me how its made when i went to sleep when i was younger. i specifically remember the ham leg one. my favorite was the toilet paper video because of the cutting arm
Lmao I literally took two naps today because of these videos, they’re so interesting but also sleep inducing
I’m here for sleep!
All of thus s hit sure makes me so sleepy.
U basically just told this guy his content makes u sleepy wtf
Fun fact: sugar cane fiber can be turned into disposable plates, bowls and takeout containers.
Pppppppl
Sugar cane fiber can also be turned into 3d printing filament called pla, or poly lactic acid. but most of the time the cane fiber or "bagasse" is burnt in the boilers which is what powers the sugar mill
Can be. But do companies make it common? Nope. Gotta deal with gross plastic ware. :(
@@Grellibe Yes true
I often find printer papers made with cane fibers too.
I can’t believe how long this takes
Thanks 🙏 informative vedio 👌🙏
I always wondered this 🤍 Thanks!
I live near a couple of sugar mills, and they stink when processing sugar. As a kid, we would go to the sugar mill to dig for worms from the bagasse piles. Earthworms from a bagasse pile, are the biggest I've ever seen. We would then go fishing with those worms.
@we up ^
"this unverified anecdote from a random unknown person confirms my biases, therefore I must be correct."
thank you for sharing, enjoyed this little story!
@Hydro Aegis his story sounds legit though especially when he said they used to dig up worms to go fishing, it reminded me of my childhood cause I used to dig up worms to to use for fishing.
I also dig earth worms from poultry farm they are also biggest ive ever seen
@@hydroaegis6658 I’m dead but this sums up the rest of America 😂
4:44
lol "Next it all boils in large f*cking pans"
Vacuum dude,tf
Shamiah Ledington lol
It kinda sounds like pants and not pans
*Vaccuum
😂😂😂
Crazy how much work it takes to make crystallized sugar.
WOW that's incredible ‼️😃
Did you search for it?
Ans: No
Did you watch it without skipping?
Ans : Yes
@The Zeediot ahem, ur a nerd
@The Zeediot same I searched up "how its made"😂
Actually I did skip it
So we have been eating dirt ever since
😆
with added lime, bleach, sucrose and much more.... another reason to feel depressed.
@@muhamednibin1123 isn't sucrose sugar?
Uhhh. U eat sugar?
Good luck with diabetes.
Prefer use it as sweets for coffee or for breads.
@@deznuey1327 common sense is a must
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Pretty mad the sheer amount of WORK that goes into making sugar.
Me: "Ewww nasty." _continues eating skittles_
they probably use HFCS not sugar
This freaked me out so much, I am doing the exact same thing
Mohamed Soliman just what i thought
🤣🤣🤣
My question is how in the hell do they keep the insects out with all that sweetness everywhere ?
Mr. Miagie
maybe it was Chemicals
Insects know not to eat this white poison.
@@Wolfy528 lol its not poison. Insects love sugar
They use darude sandstorm
2/10/23: I'd LOVE to see the drawings on the patent for the machine that does all the work. I find it fascinating!
I’m totally amazed at how humans have figured out all the things that they have figured out incredible
The machines, operators and the workspace sound to be so dirty, I can't imagine how these all meet the health standards in general.
The human body is also a machine, you are the operator in your workspace.
In India, especially Southern parts of India we normally chew the sugarcane itself.. It tastes delicious. And sugarcane juice is very common during summer.Chilled sugarcane juice tastes divine
Yes, we also used to have sugarcane plants in our yard when I was in Grade School and High School.
We would simply cut off a mature stalk (approx.2 inches in diameter), cut it in segments, peel off the shiiny bark, and then chew on the white, fibrous flesh to extract the sweet, refreshing juice.
Aqui no Brasil também fazemos o mesmo que vocês na Índia mascamos a cana e ainda tomamos o caldo com gengibre limão abacaxi.
@@JanuWaray In India there are majorly two varieties. One with black color this is only for eating and we used to keep this when we worship sun. After worshipping God we will have heavy meals with our fasting. We eat this after our heavy meals which aids quick digestion.It will be so juicy and easily edible and you need less effort. The other variety will be bit harder and which is used only for making sugar.
Its just heavenly
In KZN south africa aswell. Home of the sugar cane in mzansi
Could have never imagined how long and complicated is the process… from now on, I will look to sugar differently.
Nice video.
Is this a sugar factory or a crude oil refinery?/
It's a cover for a coke factory.
🤣🤣🤣
There's no difference. All refined products are made basicly the same way .
Why doing sounds something in a movie??? XD
I've watched this a hundred times and I still don't get it
Juice become sugar
This should add caption
in the simplest of terms, you take sugar beet or sugar cane. You juice it. Concentrate the juice and boil off the water. boom, sugar.
Reducing to its finest property
you know what is calcite ? it is the property of high grade lime (calcite) that gives the crystal formation ! did you notice lime powder was added into the bla bla (machine) ???
Very interesting 😊😊
Amazing engineers😎👏
Being a Brazilian it gives me the BEST WAY to taste it. We drink the juice with lemon and ice. TOTALLY NATURAL. We have the plant generally in our garden, so when we want, we just extract the juice and drink it.
Back home we used to just have sugar cane juice but I have never tried it with lemon juice🤪
We too here in Trinidad
@@Mu5tyLaghmani it a bit sour
Perfect cure for thirst but it goes bad after 1 day of extraction. You know
Even in India we drink it with lemon or ginger.
A real refreshing drink.
The most addictive, legal drug on the planet. I can’t even imagine how they used to make sugar back in the day before the industrial revolution
With hands.
They used honey as a sweetener
@@TheAvsouto i my place we just suck on sugar cane like candy, grind sugar cane to make sugar cane juice, or get the sweet sap of nira tree
I guess they used Jaggery
Slaves
Finally a video that doesn't that doesn't talk forever about the video before doing it
Amazing 👏
Now that I've watched that, I would rather have sugarcane to eat rather than sugar. I'll just stick the sugarcane into my tea. Whole.
You can stir the milk with it🤣🤣🤣
It's called jaggery
@@user-ue6lv9in8s cool!
Go for jaggery. That's unprocessed. Brown. Healthy. Pure.
Tastes awesome with tea.
@@user-ue6lv9in8s nah jaggery made by sugar cane
These are the types of videos that they should be showing in school these days.
Im 36 and I rem watching stuff like this in science class
@Jack Meyhoffer yeah........no, take your bullshit elsewhere bud. No one cares about what you say or think.
@@nathanenfinger9559 says the "guy" who supports that garbage.
What value would showing how sugar is made do? About as useful as teaching kids physics. The majority of them won't ever use it in their lives and all you're doing is making them frustrated. We should teach them how to handle their finances, how the court system works, and how to take care of a home.
kids... this is how we make sugar and cocaine
That’s a sweet job!
I remember going through a tour in an elephant sanctuary and the guide let us try biting the sugar straight out of the cane fibre. One of the best thing I’ve ever tasted
The sweetness is perfect with a taste of cellulose :D