WOW! You just confirmed what I've been doing by instinct for 8 years, when I got my SodaStream. I adore what I've called "fuzzy water" for a long time, but the carbonation levels in Perrier etc. are, as you well know, pathetically low-cosmetic, even. But ever since I got my SodaStream-unfortunately abbreviated as "SS" here for purposes of brevity-I somehow knew to not use tap water-in Montreal it's disgusting, and it's not even fluoridated, so I bought a water cooler and use those huge cooler dispensers of "Eau Source," as they call it here. But I started out by putting the uncarbonated bottles in the freezer until they had formed a slight amount of ice formation, and THEN put them in the SS. But after a while I just discovered that pumping the machine three times, or what they recommended, it tasted infinitely better the more times you pump it, with my optimum pump these days being around twelve pumps of the machine. Bit as you pointed out, all that good fizz is going to be wasted in a warm glass, so I freeze beer-tasting mugs-they're tall and very thin, almost like a champagne flute, except for tasting beer-and decant the now-fuzzy water into them with a twist of lemon and a half a strawberry. But I've always wondered how carbonation works (I kept getting strange results with the keywords "How to carbonise water," as you can imagine! Graphene sodas, anyone?) and how to get more of it in my drink . . . I quit drinking 8 years ago, so champagne is not an option, or I'd be drinking IT all day instead of fuzzy water. But the boiling trick-will it get more carbonation into the water for the same amount of pumps (ie. 11 or 12) or will it cause the water to be heavily carbonated with fewer pumps of the SS machine? I despise the tyranny of SodaStream-they make damn sure you can't use any other CO² refills, and they remind me of the old inkjet cartridge printers, which I learned to replace with a laser many years ago-but the alternative, with massive equipment and complex machinations are not options . . . getting the most from what I have is the only one. So I'll try boiling up my first bottle today and report back! Great videos-I know how hard they are to make, so many kudos. I'm guessing you're from Edmonton.
Thanks and I'm glad a little science explanation confirmed your discovery. Yes, the boiling, or even heating to 90°C will dissolve much more CO2 with equal or fewer pumps. And I'm much further east of Edmonton, in London Ontario. I spent a fair number of summers as a kid in Montreal, visiting family. Cheers
Very nice information, theres a Soda water brand called Capi soda water here in Australia. They add in Bicarbonate in addition to filtering their water etc. Do you think that additional minerals give water an extra level on said pungency?
Adding bicarbonate can increase pungency, but only if mixed with an acid (like citric acid, lime juice, etc.) in a drink. Bicarbonate on it's own won't release CO2. But added mineral salts, in small amount 200 mg to 400 mg per litre do improve flavour.
Thanks for another great video, Darcy. I’ve always wondered what the right amount of time I should be releasing the CO2 into my bottle using the SodaStream (to get in as much as possible without wasting CO2). How long do you hold the injector?
I usually do it in 2 steps. Take ice cold water and carbonate it with 3 to 4 blasts of CO2, seal the bottle and put it in the fridge for 30 min or so, then do it a second time. Seems to get the best results.
Hi, can you make a video on how a small manufacturer of drinks, handle packaging and filling of carbonated water at the same time without minimal loss.
Great video! I have two odd questions. 1.) Probably overkill for 99% of people, but I have a vac. chamber for working with epoxy. Instead of boiling water to remove air, would a typical vac chamber remove all the entrapped air? 2.) I love my Soda Stream, but the C02 bottles are a 100% rip off when you consider that you can buy a HUGE bottle of C02 for almost nothing. Any tips on highly carbonated water at home without a Soda Stream?
Vac chambers work, but they can be slow. Commercial soda makers use vac chambers, but they spray the water into the chamber so the small droplets are easier to extract the air out. Just pulling air from 5 gallons of water would take more time.
I am curious if you have actually measured the pressure in a Sodastream bottle during carbonation? I hear many RUclipsrs claim that it is a very low pressure (~15psi) but one video had a gauge mounted on a bottle and the pressure was actually much higher. I am also curious if there is a practical way to determine what saturation level has been achieved?
If you feed your water from your water heater, will that degas the water? The amount of water you are taking into a corny keg with a water input lid, in a fridge will be small, so the water coming in will be room temp.
Can you freeze distilled water, let it melt, then carb it? Not sure if this method can be more simple or if boiling is just easier. I buy distilled water from the store, but still have to boil it due to the oxygen it consumes from the point of distilling to my shopping cart. I’d love to see a process of distilling water at home, then carbonating it.
I have read that water will quickly absorb oxygen as it cools after being boiled. Is there truth to this? If so, are there strategies to limit the amount of oxygen that is absorbed? I am primarily a beer maker, but occasionally make hop water or carbonated water. I typically use campden/metabisulfite to remove chlorine & chloramine. I have read that Ascorbic Acid can be used as well. Is that similar to Sodium Ascorbate you mention?
By "Quick" I understand there is a comparison factor. Oxygen solubility chart in water is what you want to check for first two questions. As oxygen has to come from somewhere sealing your boiled water might be a solution.
Air and oxgen do absorb back into water but without sloshing it is a slow process (days) just like trying to get beer carbonated without agitation, it takes a while. The easiest way to keep oxygen out is to purge/ displace it with some CO2 gas.
One way is to allow the covered pot to cool to 60 °C (140 °F), to safely ** transfer it to 2 liter plastic (PET) bottles. (** Safe for the bottles, at least.) Or, you can rapidly quench the hot water with enough ice. Say, for example, that you pour 90 °C water into a room-temperature pot. Then add 1 part ice to every 3 parts hot water. Melting should result in a temperature cooler than 60 °C, safe for PET bottles. But measure with a thermometer to be sure.
Nitrogen also dissolves in water, though less than oxygen. The ratio in water is 35% oxygen and 65% nitrogen so you will still have nitrogen displacing the carbon dioxide in the liquid. It's best to just get all the air out.
@@fisherteladi1837 corny keg, sintered stone, and nitrogen tank would probably be easiest, stuff used for nitro cold brew coffee dispensing. Literature suggests combining different approaches such as vacuum and heat with sparging can be extra effective.
Interesting you say tastes different, I've always felt it was more of a different mouth feel. I believe this is the reason many tea ceremonies bring water to a full boil, let it cool a bit then bring it back to a simmer as this allows them to remove the air and then get to the appropriate temperature for teas (about 180 for oolong). Though other methods such as bring black tea to the kettle and bring the kettle to the oolong have also long been methods to control temperature.
What about vacuum boiling? Thank you for sharing resources. One of the books that educated me on this topic is "Factors associated with the retention of carbon dioxide in carbonated beverages" by John Minerf (1938). Available for free on the Internet.
@@Artofdrink Also, if the perfect carbonation temperature is 0 degrees, wouldn't water become ice at that temperature? is there a way to not make it freeze at 0?
Carbonic acid is when carbon dioxide and water combine, so when adding carbon dioxide to water you create carbonic acid and when you add pressure you create more. Carbonic acid forms at lower temperatures, hence why 0°C creates the best carbonated water.
1:54 Of course, ice contains little co2 and will dilute the beverage fizz as it melts. - Worse yet, ice cubes can instantly boil away co2 if its surface is below 0°C. The beverage freezes onto the ice surface and instantly releases its co2. So dip the ice cubes into water to thaw the surface before tranferring to the beverage. Or store it above freezing so the surfaces are wet before use.
Didn't really understand why ice makes it go flat. BTW, I watched a lot of videos you've made and I googled it and I still don't really know what soda fountains are.
Ice has sharp edges and imperfections that allow carbon dioxide bubbles to form. And the soda fountain was a place to get soda drinks in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
@@Artofdrink GREAT video, Darcy, Thanks very much. Soda Fountains were very common in drugstore snack bars all the way through the 50's; Ice cream sundaes, etc.
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WOW! You just confirmed what I've been doing by instinct for 8 years, when I got my SodaStream. I adore what I've called "fuzzy water" for a long time, but the carbonation levels in Perrier etc. are, as you well know, pathetically low-cosmetic, even.
But ever since I got my SodaStream-unfortunately abbreviated as "SS" here for purposes of brevity-I somehow knew to not use tap water-in Montreal it's disgusting, and it's not even fluoridated, so I bought a water cooler and use those huge cooler dispensers of "Eau Source," as they call it here. But I started out by putting the uncarbonated bottles in the freezer until they had formed a slight amount of ice formation, and THEN put them in the SS.
But after a while I just discovered that pumping the machine three times, or what they recommended, it tasted infinitely better the more times you pump it, with my optimum pump these days being around twelve pumps of the machine.
Bit as you pointed out, all that good fizz is going to be wasted in a warm glass, so I freeze beer-tasting mugs-they're tall and very thin, almost like a champagne flute, except for tasting beer-and decant the now-fuzzy water into them with a twist of lemon and a half a strawberry.
But I've always wondered how carbonation works (I kept getting strange results with the keywords "How to carbonise water," as you can imagine! Graphene sodas, anyone?) and how to get more of it in my drink . . . I quit drinking 8 years ago, so champagne is not an option, or I'd be drinking IT all day instead of fuzzy water. But the boiling trick-will it get more carbonation into the water for the same amount of pumps (ie. 11 or 12) or will it cause the water to be heavily carbonated with fewer pumps of the SS machine?
I despise the tyranny of SodaStream-they make damn sure you can't use any other CO² refills, and they remind me of the old inkjet cartridge printers, which I learned to replace with a laser many years ago-but the alternative, with massive equipment and complex machinations are not options . . . getting the most from what I have is the only one.
So I'll try boiling up my first bottle today and report back! Great videos-I know how hard they are to make, so many kudos.
I'm guessing you're from Edmonton.
Thanks and I'm glad a little science explanation confirmed your discovery. Yes, the boiling, or even heating to 90°C will dissolve much more CO2 with equal or fewer pumps. And I'm much further east of Edmonton, in London Ontario. I spent a fair number of summers as a kid in Montreal, visiting family. Cheers
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great source of information! thanks for the "boiling tip". Have to try it.
Very nice information, theres a Soda water brand called Capi soda water here in Australia. They add in Bicarbonate in addition to filtering their water etc. Do you think that additional minerals give water an extra level on said pungency?
Adding bicarbonate can increase pungency, but only if mixed with an acid (like citric acid, lime juice, etc.) in a drink. Bicarbonate on it's own won't release CO2. But added mineral salts, in small amount 200 mg to 400 mg per litre do improve flavour.
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Thanks for another great video, Darcy. I’ve always wondered what the right amount of time I should be releasing the CO2 into my bottle using the SodaStream (to get in as much as possible without wasting CO2). How long do you hold the injector?
I usually do it in 2 steps. Take ice cold water and carbonate it with 3 to 4 blasts of CO2, seal the bottle and put it in the fridge for 30 min or so, then do it a second time. Seems to get the best results.
Hi, can you make a video on how a small manufacturer of drinks, handle packaging and filling of carbonated water at the same time without minimal loss.
Next 3 videos deal with this
Loved this episode! I wonder if chilled double-wall glasses would work as good as heavy glass
Thanks and yes double walled glasses work well for keeping drinks cold
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Very useful videos. Thank you
Great video and thanks !
Great video! I have two odd questions. 1.) Probably overkill for 99% of people, but I have a vac. chamber for working with epoxy. Instead of boiling water to remove air, would a typical vac chamber remove all the entrapped air? 2.) I love my Soda Stream, but the C02 bottles are a 100% rip off when you consider that you can buy a HUGE bottle of C02 for almost nothing. Any tips on highly carbonated water at home without a Soda Stream?
Ehhh... never mind. Your most recent "Quick Carbonation" video kind of answered my #2) question. Great channel man!!! Love the science + soda angle.
Vac chambers work, but they can be slow. Commercial soda makers use vac chambers, but they spray the water into the chamber so the small droplets are easier to extract the air out. Just pulling air from 5 gallons of water would take more time.
I am curious if you have actually measured the pressure in a Sodastream bottle during carbonation? I hear many RUclipsrs claim that it is a very low pressure (~15psi) but one video had a gauge mounted on a bottle and the pressure was actually much higher. I am also curious if there is a practical way to determine what saturation level has been achieved?
Super informative video! Is there a way to control the size of the bubbles? Say to make really fine bubbles?
Bubbles are smallest when a porous stone is put on the end of the carbonation supply straw.
Look at aquarium supplies.
If you feed your water from your water heater, will that degas the water? The amount of water you are taking into a corny keg with a water input lid, in a fridge will be small, so the water coming in will be room temp.
Have you ever emptied a water heater from the bottom valve? Yuck.
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Can you freeze distilled water, let it melt, then carb it? Not sure if this method can be more simple or if boiling is just easier. I buy distilled water from the store, but still have to boil it due to the oxygen it consumes from the point of distilling to my shopping cart. I’d love to see a process of distilling water at home, then carbonating it.
You can, though it isn't as effective as boiling and definitely takes way longer.
I have read that water will quickly absorb oxygen as it cools after being boiled. Is there truth to this? If so, are there strategies to limit the amount of oxygen that is absorbed? I am primarily a beer maker, but occasionally make hop water or carbonated water. I typically use campden/metabisulfite to remove chlorine & chloramine. I have read that Ascorbic Acid can be used as well. Is that similar to Sodium Ascorbate you mention?
By "Quick" I understand there is a comparison factor. Oxygen solubility chart in water is what you want to check for first two questions. As oxygen has to come from somewhere sealing your boiled water might be a solution.
Air and oxgen do absorb back into water but without sloshing it is a slow process (days) just like trying to get beer carbonated without agitation, it takes a while. The easiest way to keep oxygen out is to purge/ displace it with some CO2 gas.
One way is to allow the covered pot to cool to 60 °C (140 °F), to safely ** transfer it to 2 liter plastic (PET) bottles. (** Safe for the bottles, at least.)
Or, you can rapidly quench the hot water with enough ice. Say, for example, that you pour 90 °C water into a room-temperature pot. Then add 1 part ice to every 3 parts hot water. Melting should result in a temperature cooler than 60 °C, safe for PET bottles. But measure with a thermometer to be sure.
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If I were using a 1.6 gal stainless mini keg, couldn't I just pour the boiled water into it and let it sit for overnight?
Yes, that would work.
Do you move the sodastream bottle from the fridge to the freezer for a while to get to 0°C? If so, how long? Or just add ice?
I move it to the freeze and take it out just as ice forms, then carbonate.
If you leave a bit of wet tissue on the outside of the bottle, it provides a telltale of the bottle's surface temperature as it hardens.
Would nitrogen sparging have an appreciable effect on dissolved oxygen from room temp water?
Nitrogen also dissolves in water, though less than oxygen. The ratio in water is 35% oxygen and 65% nitrogen so you will still have nitrogen displacing the carbon dioxide in the liquid. It's best to just get all the air out.
I'm more concerned about how you're going to achieve that. Home equipment?
@@fisherteladi1837 corny keg, sintered stone, and nitrogen tank would probably be easiest, stuff used for nitro cold brew coffee dispensing. Literature suggests combining different approaches such as vacuum and heat with sparging can be extra effective.
Does the degassing after boiling change the flavor? I always felt that water which has been boiled does have a different taste.
Never noticed a difference.
Interesting you say tastes different, I've always felt it was more of a different mouth feel. I believe this is the reason many tea ceremonies bring water to a full boil, let it cool a bit then bring it back to a simmer as this allows them to remove the air and then get to the appropriate temperature for teas (about 180 for oolong). Though other methods such as bring black tea to the kettle and bring the kettle to the oolong have also long been methods to control temperature.
thank you !
What about vacuum boiling?
Thank you for sharing resources. One of the books that educated me on this topic is "Factors associated with the retention of carbon dioxide in carbonated beverages" by John Minerf (1938). Available for free on the Internet.
Vacuum boiling would work, the soda industry uses a spray nozzle in a vacuum chamber to degas water continuously.
@@Artofdrink I see. So no chance that industry-scale process come down to home scale I guess.
@@fisherteladi1837 unlikely, most small scale stuff is done by the batch.
How would running water through a cycle in a chamber vac compare to boiling?
That's what soda companies do (vacuum chamber with a water spray nozzle) and it is effective but not practical for small batch and home use.
Will you lose the carbonation if you freeze carbonated water?
Yes you will
@@Artofdrink Also, if the perfect carbonation temperature is 0 degrees, wouldn't water become ice at that temperature? is there a way to not make it freeze at 0?
@@danielbrillantes2791 water can exist as ice or water at 0C but water under pressure freezes slightly below 0
Question, is carbonic acid the same thing?
Carbonic acid is when carbon dioxide and water combine, so when adding carbon dioxide to water you create carbonic acid and when you add pressure you create more. Carbonic acid forms at lower temperatures, hence why 0°C creates the best carbonated water.
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1:54 Of course, ice contains little co2 and will dilute the beverage fizz as it melts. - Worse yet, ice cubes can instantly boil away co2 if its surface is below 0°C. The beverage freezes onto the ice surface and instantly releases its co2. So dip the ice cubes into water to thaw the surface before tranferring to the beverage. Or store it above freezing so the surfaces are wet before use.
Sorry, nothing in this comment makes any scientific sense.
Please say in hindi.
Didn't really understand why ice makes it go flat.
BTW, I watched a lot of videos you've made and I googled it and I still don't really know what soda fountains are.
Ice has sharp edges and imperfections that allow carbon dioxide bubbles to form. And the soda fountain was a place to get soda drinks in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
@@Artofdrink GREAT video, Darcy, Thanks very much. Soda Fountains were very common in drugstore snack bars all the way through the 50's; Ice cream sundaes, etc.