Took my kayak out for first time and totally experienced what u just mentioned. Was thinking it was my lack of paddling skills (Probably some of it) but I'm definitely looking into a rudder now. Great FYI video thanks.
Yeah one of the reasons im looking to get install one on my fishing kayak is because trying to keep it steady in a river current going up stream is difficult for me and the added help of a rudder would be great to have. its 13 foot long and 125+ lbs so its a bit of a beast to handle.
When paddling i always use my fett as well as body rotation. How do i keep the rudder straight while using foot pressure paddling hard to cover distance quickly?
@321pinoyboy Pedal driven kayak have swimming fins on the bottom. For these kayaks, the rudder is used to steer the kayak. Think of them like a 'Flinstone's' kayak, with a rudder instead of a steering wheel.
@CHILESUDAFRICA2010 Some sit in kayaks will allow you to install a rudder. Most sea kayaks are designed to accommodate them. Unfortunately, many recreational sit-in kayaks are hard to mount rudders too... You're best bet is to check with the manufacturer directly.
@StealY0urFace A stationary rudder is called a skeg. A skeg controls weather cocking based on how deeply it is set in the water. If it is completely stationary, you won't be able to accommodate for different wind strengths or directions, which can actually make life more difficult for you. You're better off having no rudder at all.
No. Most go straight. Some hold their position. Especially the foot powered ones. But most foot controlled rudders are loose enough that the drag of moving forward just makes them go to the center position. But very light footwork can easily hold the rudder in a pre-selected position. I used to do this when trolling in a large radius. That way my lure and boat never go through the same water. When tracking in a large circle trolling your fishing lure will track to the inside and never drags your lure through the same water that you just paddled through. Result is your lure is always in undisturbed water. As compared with trolling in a straight line. Which drags your lure exactly through the disturbed water you just paddled through. Spooking some fish and reducing your catch.
@werenutz Rudders aren't necessary because you can steer with paddle strokes. The shorter your kayak, the easier it is to steer, and the less important a rudder is.
Now I know you are a bullshitter. Why don’t you tell them the rest of the facts? 1. Shorter a kayak the easier it is for the wind to spin it around. 2. Explain what a hassle it is and how inefficient it is to try and paddle your strokes with huge power strokes on one side while barely paddling on the other. And let’s be honest…… that only works shitty at best. Especially in any real crosswind. This anti rudder culture is bullshit. Are you a salesman also? That would explain a lot.
20 years Ocean Kayaking. Never ever ever listen to anyone telling you that this/their kayak does not need a rudder. Let me put it this way….. If the wind blows there, you will want/need a rudder system. And rudders serve as ocean anchors when drifting or tied off. So your yak will orientate into one position with your back facing the wind. They stabilize your yak in many other situations besides paddling. The “ you don’t need a rudder” crowd have become a loud voice of bullshit. Could manufacturers just be saving $$ on their bottom line? Serious kayakers need rudders. If there is any wind above 5 mph, you will desire a rudder. Plus they all flip up anyway. So if you don’t want to use it just flip it up. I will never own another kayak without a rudder system. Or suffer another stupid salesman saying…. Well, you don’t actually need a rudder. Pffffffffft!
Well I have been in kayaks for better than 30 years and have had plenty of kayaks that didn’t need a rudder, or didn’t need it often enough to justify having it on there!
@@KayakFishingTales Oh so you are part of the reason there are rudderless rentals everywhere that spin in circles and are nearly impossible to paddle for fun. And even manufacturers are piling on this stupid idea. So my choices at the kayak store are far fewer and now I have to figure in the cost and the hassle of getting a rudder installed because manufacturers have decided to lie and say their yaks don’t need rudders? How quaint. Sorry but I have seen more kayak trips ruined by this stupid idea that there is near no wind or reason to have a rudder. Especially on the ocean. And it is literally dangerous! In San Diego bay I have seen multiple kayakers desperately trying to paddle out of the shipping lane but turning in circles while a ship is sounding their alarm as they barrel down on them. I have seen so many close calls and even once a destroyer had to actually reverse engines. There used to be way more models with rudders. The need for them did not change. Just the manufacturers reasons. Which are class 1 bullshit. And they regularly lie to new kayakers and have absolutely no problem selling a kayak without a rudder that desperately needs one. So no. F NO! It has become a stupid culture thing now. Where some people even believe it them selves. So-called “experts.” I would never take advice from one of these idiots. I mean, if you kayak regularly. You will regret not having a rudder. Because not every lake is a small pond with no wind. Unless you don’t care about paddling efficiency-of-motion and all that. I personally don’t like paddling in a zig-zag pattern when I am trying to get somewhere. Especially on long trips. Rudders are paramount on any serious kayak in my opinion. And I think this entire…… “ that kayak doesn’t need a rudder system” culture is dumb and dishonest as it gets. Do you see the comments? Look how many people complain about it? Half of your comments are about it. Is it not a responsibility to sell something that actually works without leaving them confused or disappointed? F the no rudder crowd. I would never take ANY kayak advice from one of these contrarian fools.
Took my kayak out for first time and totally experienced what u just mentioned. Was thinking it was my lack of paddling skills (Probably some of it) but I'm definitely looking into a rudder now. Great FYI video thanks.
Thanks for the description of turning into the wind.
Thanks for clearing that up. I got a Hobie with a rudder because I wanted to make steering easier.
very interesting! I always wondered why it turned into the wind... very cool, thanks!
Yeah one of the reasons im looking to get install one on my fishing kayak is because trying to keep it steady in a river current going up stream is difficult for me and the added help of a rudder would be great to have. its 13 foot long and 125+ lbs so its a bit of a beast to handle.
When paddling i always use my fett as well as body rotation. How do i keep the rudder straight while using foot pressure paddling hard to cover distance quickly?
Hi! How do you use a rudder though if your kayak does NOT have those foot pedals ? Thanks!
Great explanation. Thank you.
@321pinoyboy Pedal driven kayak have swimming fins on the bottom. For these kayaks, the rudder is used to steer the kayak. Think of them like a 'Flinstone's' kayak, with a rudder instead of a steering wheel.
@CHILESUDAFRICA2010 Some sit in kayaks will allow you to install a rudder. Most sea kayaks are designed to accommodate them. Unfortunately, many recreational sit-in kayaks are hard to mount rudders too... You're best bet is to check with the manufacturer directly.
@StealY0urFace A stationary rudder is called a skeg. A skeg controls weather cocking based on how deeply it is set in the water. If it is completely stationary, you won't be able to accommodate for different wind strengths or directions, which can actually make life more difficult for you. You're better off having no rudder at all.
Very helpful, thanks
Thanks for the information!
The video actually stated correctly, these kayak rudders helps it track straight, not steer.
then he says in the end "...and it helps you steer" lol
They are also used for steering. That is also a primary function.
If you take your Feet off from the pedals does the rudder turn to one side when you start moving?
No. Most go straight. Some hold their position. Especially the foot powered ones.
But most foot controlled rudders are loose enough that the drag of moving forward just makes them go to the center position. But very light footwork can easily hold the rudder in a pre-selected position. I used to do this when trolling in a large radius. That way my lure and boat never go through the same water. When tracking in a large circle trolling your fishing lure will track to the inside and never drags your lure through the same water that you just paddled through. Result is your lure is always in undisturbed water. As compared with trolling in a straight line. Which drags your lure exactly through the disturbed water you just paddled through. Spooking some fish and reducing your catch.
Great info
lol i always used the rudder to steer when i was going fast and didnt want to loose speed
Foot pedal rudders are 100% essential if you are kayak fishing. Makes a world of difference controlling your boat.
Is it ok to install a stationary rudder?
Yes. But that is more of a “skeg”
It helps to track straight but will hinder turning. Not nearly as good as a rudder.
@werenutz Rudders aren't necessary because you can steer with paddle strokes. The shorter your kayak, the easier it is to steer, and the less important a rudder is.
Now I know you are a bullshitter.
Why don’t you tell them the rest of the facts?
1. Shorter a kayak the easier it is for the wind to spin it around.
2. Explain what a hassle it is and how inefficient it is to try and paddle your strokes with huge power strokes on one side while barely paddling on the other. And let’s be honest…… that only works shitty at best. Especially in any real crosswind.
This anti rudder culture is bullshit.
Are you a salesman also?
That would explain a lot.
Don’t believe this BS. Get/rent one with a rudder.
weather what...?
Hey
IENUEB
20 years Ocean Kayaking. Never ever ever listen to anyone telling you that this/their kayak does not need a rudder.
Let me put it this way…..
If the wind blows there, you will want/need a rudder system.
And rudders serve as ocean anchors when drifting or tied off. So your yak will orientate into one position with your back facing the wind.
They stabilize your yak in many other situations besides paddling.
The “ you don’t need a rudder” crowd have become a loud voice of bullshit.
Could manufacturers just be saving $$ on their bottom line?
Serious kayakers need rudders.
If there is any wind above 5 mph, you will desire a rudder. Plus they all flip up anyway. So if you don’t want to use it just flip it up.
I will never own another kayak without a rudder system.
Or suffer another stupid salesman saying…. Well, you don’t actually need a rudder.
Pffffffffft!
Well I have been in kayaks for better than 30 years and have had plenty of kayaks that didn’t need a rudder, or didn’t need it often enough to justify having it on there!
Well like that is just your stupid opinion man.
@@KayakFishingTales
Oh so you are part of the reason there are rudderless rentals everywhere that spin in circles and are nearly impossible to paddle for fun. And even manufacturers are piling on this stupid idea. So my choices at the kayak store are far fewer and now I have to figure in the cost and the hassle of getting a rudder installed because manufacturers have decided to lie and say their yaks don’t need rudders?
How quaint.
Sorry but I have seen more kayak trips ruined by this stupid idea that there is near no wind or reason to have a rudder. Especially on the ocean.
And it is literally dangerous! In San Diego bay I have seen multiple kayakers desperately trying to paddle out of the shipping lane but turning in circles while a ship is sounding their alarm as they barrel down on them. I have seen so many close calls and even once a destroyer had to actually reverse engines.
There used to be way more models with rudders.
The need for them did not change.
Just the manufacturers reasons. Which are class 1 bullshit.
And they regularly lie to new kayakers and have absolutely no problem selling a kayak without a rudder that desperately needs one.
So no. F NO!
It has become a stupid culture thing now. Where some people even believe it them selves. So-called “experts.”
I would never take advice from one of these idiots.
I mean, if you kayak regularly. You will regret not having a rudder.
Because not every lake is a small pond with no wind.
Unless you don’t care about paddling efficiency-of-motion and all that. I personally don’t like paddling in a zig-zag pattern when I am trying to get somewhere. Especially on long trips.
Rudders are paramount on any serious kayak in my opinion. And I think this entire…… “ that kayak doesn’t need a rudder system” culture is dumb and dishonest as it gets.
Do you see the comments?
Look how many people complain about it?
Half of your comments are about it.
Is it not a responsibility to sell something that actually works without leaving them confused or disappointed?
F the no rudder crowd. I would never take ANY kayak advice from one of these contrarian fools.
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