@@christosvoskresye Yes they did finally acknowledge that brother and sister was always supposed to be their true relationship - that Lee was only a substitute for his brother. Basically their entire attraction was based on shared grief and one awkward drunken night of near infidelity.
I'm a big old man and I lose it every single time. This show got to me in a lot of ways. I love Kara the way she's written. So ahead of OUR time. She's frakin' great. Tears help heal. Maybe it'd be good if MORE good writing prevailed.
The most powerful moment in BSG. You know it’s coming and it still hits you hard. The integration of the heart felt scenes with her Mother and her willingness of letting go of her own life is compelling, tragic, and somehow beautiful. It also hits you just as hard no matter how many times you watch it. I love this show.
It always kinda felt like the 'angels', 'god' and whoever else was orchestrating this just felt like screwing Starbuck. After all she suffered throughout her life all she got was to nudge humanity to survival and then disappear into nothing, not even a cameo in the end scene to show us that she survives with the angels.
I've loved this show since I first watched it. I came for the big space battles, but what keeps me coming back is this deeper metaphysical aspect of the world they built. It's special. There's all the exploration of the human condition, but it goes much deeper into the nature of existence itself in a way that feels true to me. Don't know how they did it but so glad they did
😓Bill looked equally crushed! When Lee says: "No *Dad* , It's no use, her ship's in pieces..Her ship's in pieces..", you can tell that Bill feels like Kara's his own kin, too. 😳 'Whatta ya hear, StarBuck?' 'Nothin' but the rain, sir.😉' 😢😥😰
"you can tell that Bill feels like Kara's his own kin, too" In his mind she always was his daughter. Even after her admission of negligent complicity in Zak's death as his flight instructor. If anything she's more like him than either of her sons which is part of why that relationship works, perhaps even why Zak was attracted to her in the first place given he was such an absentee father.
Re-watching the series for the the first time in years; more of a gut-punch than ever. Even though I know how the show turned out. I also realized "Let me go' is what my Mom said to me a few weeks before she died very suddenly in 2006. Hadn't made the connection before--
I wasn't really hit as much as with Kat or Dee's death because by that time I was 100% sure Starbuck was a Cylon and we would've seen her again, I was half right
I remember one time as a kid I was watching TV, and became anxious when a series regular was put in apparently mortal danger. My mom reassured me saying, "Don't worry. He has to be on next week." Ever since then, I haven't been impressed by contrived drama based on endangering a key character. Adama shot? Big deal, he'll survive. Roslin dying of cancer? Hah! The only question is how improbably her disease will be cured. Starbuck uncharacteristically accepts easily avoidable death? Yeah, whatever, see you next week. "No, stupid, I'm really going to die this time!" "Oh, OK, see you in THREE weeks." (yawn) I vaguely recall reading something about Gene Roddenberry commenting on the original Star Trek series, to the effect that the premise was wrong. Rather than putting Kirk in danger week after week, the show should have given Kirk tough decisions to make, ones that affected the fates of other, more disposable characters. The Next Generation series had at least one such episode, i.e. the one in which a rich planet supplies a powerful addictive drug to a poor planet of clueless junkies (let me look it up..."Symbiosis", S01E21). Nobody on the Enterprise is in danger, but Picard has to make a difficult decision that could doom millions of innocent people to agony and possible death.
Then in the next scene, EJO destroys the model of the sailing ship he was building, which in reality was a $200K museum piece that the Studio's Insurance rider had to cover!
I just watched this episode. Since i cant comment on hulu i had to come here and express how sad this makes me. I hope she comes back somehow...RIP STARBUCK 😭😭😭😭😭
I was thinking the other day that Katee Sackhoff would have been AWESOME as Captain Marvel! And reviewing this scene I think they could have made it work, although it would be a bit of a stretch and maybe upset fans of the comics and maybe Battlestar but . . . Starbuck was from Earth and was a fighter pilot . . . and it was unclear if she dies right away or what! They could have spun it that what ever she flew into threw her back in time and to a different part of space and wiping her memories for the most part. I wish they would have done this as I think the Captain Marvel movie would have been SO much better as a result.
@@JohnLRice That's the consensus of the movie groups also. Captain Marvel in the movies was Carol Danvers. Blonde hair Caucasian. The actress was compared to a plank of wood. I think Katee Sackoff has a better range than that in just one scene.
According to TV Tropes that was genuine anger on the part of Edward James Olmos, and who had not been told that Starbuck would return. That model ship he smashed? That was an improvisation - the ship wasn't a prop, it was a museum piece being loaned to the production team, valued at over $100,000 (he didn't know that either).
OMG! I remember crying after this and everyday bugging my co worker that already watched this if she was really dead cause if she was i was going to stop watching this show. finally after lots of getting on her nerves she told me and I continued to watch. Couldn't enjoy if my girl wad gone.
Nah. I understand the integrity of keeping something dead but honestly her whole arc would have felt incredibly disappointing if this is the last we saw of her, none of her "acceptance" of her fate made any sense to me this episode
First time I watched it I just KNEW Kara wasn't dead. There was that flash of light in the cockpit before they showed the Viper burning up. I knew she just became an angel.
Has anyone realized that, by the time Starbuck says to Lee that he should let her go, she is already dead my thought runs along the Schrodinger paradox
Wait. Here, her ship disintegrates/explodes yet much later, her ship is intact, on the ground (Earth) with her decaying body still strapped in. What the Frak?
I know it been a long time, but re watched the episode, on earth is only the cockpit, and heavily burned. so " her ship is intact, on the ground (Earth)" is a false claim.
I am Pretty Sure now that Keira is the reincarnation of the 13th "Daniel" since He was a fragile Artist / so was Keira. Etc and His DNA patterns we're scrambled remaking him into a her and her visions Tier her perfectly in with the one good plotark. Also Cavil already found earth before and used Keira as a puppet to control the survivours and lead them to their ultimate demise. To Show them once and for all their ultimate futility, and inferiority as one of their little games to teach them one final lesson. The 13th colonies coordinates we're known to the cylons die to the fact that the 5 Made a bargain with the cylons. This and the resurrection of Starbuck with the factory new Viper are the only explanation. Dont Ask me though what happened with SB in the actual earth.
Renember how much shit they threw in here for nothing.. Was the heavy rider real? because her fighter seemed to be taking real damage (holes and so) and they kept puting the HR in the scenes.. even in one wich had Apollo's Viper coming into frame Then there is her hand grasping the ejection handle... and all for nothing
If a god wanted to tell Kara how to find earth, couldn't he just have sent her the damn images and GPS? Whatever divine entity it is in BSG it seems to be dicking humanity around a lot.
@@usul573 its clear that whatever they had in their minds when they writed this was not what they developed later in season 4 .. or maybe when she shows up in a pristine new Viper at the end of the season.. They threw in too much stuff .. we can even see the Heavy Raider in the same shot with Apollo's Viper from behind.. not Kara's POV.. that means that they were trying to tell that the raider was real and was there.. but it then becames totally irrelevant for the history or for what happens later with Kara...
@@sparrowlt Ah yeah I think I forgot that line. When we try to view it as the more Judeo-Christian God then we think of it being all powerful and all knowing. On the other hand the Greek gods are different in that they are flawed, scattered, divided, do crazy and random stuff etc. It seems the messengers serve some sort of higher power but the writers shied away from giving us solid answers. Again sometimes I just fall back to thinking of it like an epic mythic poem and I'm ok with it but it's a little maddening at times.
The new series had the FX the 1978 original badly needed. It also had some better ideas and initial characterization, but didn't develop them to a satisfactory conclusion.
OMG! I remember crying after this and everyday bugging my co worker that already watched this if she was really dead cause if she was i was going to stop watching this show. finally after lots of getting on her nerves she told me and I continued to watch. Couldn't enjoy if my girl wad gone.
"I am Starbuck the White, and I've been sent back, until my task is complete."
"She went in ...She went in". Heartbreaking, it still gives me goosebumps after 12 years. Love this frakking show!
This is even more sad when you get to the end of the series and find out she actually died here
Well I kinda figured that out when she came back and her Viper was like brand new.
Lee’s reaction broke my heart then and still does. He really loved her. 💔
Artemis and Apollo constantly chasing each other around in their sky chariots...that's the moon and sun = D
@@usul573 Brother and sister.
I adore Lee. Also loved his reaction to his dad getting shot back in season 1's finale
@@christosvoskresye Yes they did finally acknowledge that brother and sister was always supposed to be their true relationship - that Lee was only a substitute for his brother.
Basically their entire attraction was based on shared grief and one awkward drunken night of near infidelity.
Every time I see this scene, even when I know about her comeback, I still cry
Same here. This episode of BSG is so soul-crushing. Not just her death but also her flashback with her mum. Very strong episode.
But she really died in this scence ;)
but its not really her, kara died in this moment. what returned was not from the 12 colonies
I'm a big old man and I lose it every single time. This show got to me in a lot of ways. I love Kara the way she's written. So ahead of OUR time. She's frakin' great. Tears help heal. Maybe it'd be good if MORE good writing prevailed.
Lee's "NO! NOOOO!"
The most powerful moment in BSG. You know it’s coming and it still hits you hard. The integration of the heart felt scenes with her Mother and her willingness of letting go of her own life is compelling, tragic, and somehow beautiful. It also hits you just as hard no matter how many times you watch it. I love this show.
It always kinda felt like the 'angels', 'god' and whoever else was orchestrating this just felt like screwing Starbuck.
After all she suffered throughout her life all she got was to nudge humanity to survival and then disappear into nothing, not even a cameo in the end scene to show us that she survives with the angels.
I've loved this show since I first watched it. I came for the big space battles, but what keeps me coming back is this deeper metaphysical aspect of the world they built. It's special. There's all the exploration of the human condition, but it goes much deeper into the nature of existence itself in a way that feels true to me. Don't know how they did it but so glad they did
It was meh, and more to the point, it was a stupid, pointless plot point.
😓Bill looked equally crushed! When Lee says: "No *Dad* , It's no use, her ship's in pieces..Her ship's in pieces..", you can tell that Bill feels like Kara's his own kin, too. 😳
'Whatta ya hear, StarBuck?'
'Nothin' but the rain, sir.😉'
😢😥😰
"Grab your gun and bring in the cat."
"you can tell that Bill feels like Kara's his own kin, too"
In his mind she always was his daughter.
Even after her admission of negligent complicity in Zak's death as his flight instructor.
If anything she's more like him than either of her sons which is part of why that relationship works, perhaps even why Zak was attracted to her in the first place given he was such an absentee father.
She's probly more his kid than Apollo tbh
Re-watching the series for the the first time in years; more of a gut-punch than ever. Even though I know how the show turned out. I also realized "Let me go' is what my Mom said to me a few weeks before she died very suddenly in 2006. Hadn't made the connection before--
I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm sorry
The shock and silence from everyone else in the room gets me every time.
I was in complete shock when I saw the episode....I couldn’t believe they would kill her.
I was in denial, because the whole episode beforehand was already depressing so I figured we were in for something more uplifting to close it out
I wasn't really hit as much as with Kat or Dee's death because by that time I was 100% sure Starbuck was a Cylon and we would've seen her again, I was half right
In the original series it was both Apollo and Starbuck died.
I remember one time as a kid I was watching TV, and became anxious when a series regular was put in apparently mortal danger. My mom reassured me saying, "Don't worry. He has to be on next week." Ever since then, I haven't been impressed by contrived drama based on endangering a key character. Adama shot? Big deal, he'll survive. Roslin dying of cancer? Hah! The only question is how improbably her disease will be cured. Starbuck uncharacteristically accepts easily avoidable death? Yeah, whatever, see you next week. "No, stupid, I'm really going to die this time!" "Oh, OK, see you in THREE weeks." (yawn)
I vaguely recall reading something about Gene Roddenberry commenting on the original Star Trek series, to the effect that the premise was wrong. Rather than putting Kirk in danger week after week, the show should have given Kirk tough decisions to make, ones that affected the fates of other, more disposable characters. The Next Generation series had at least one such episode, i.e. the one in which a rich planet supplies a powerful addictive drug to a poor planet of clueless junkies (let me look it up..."Symbiosis", S01E21). Nobody on the Enterprise is in danger, but Picard has to make a difficult decision that could doom millions of innocent people to agony and possible death.
Then in the next scene, EJO destroys the model of the sailing ship he was building, which in reality was a $200K museum piece that the Studio's Insurance rider had to cover!
LOOOOL. Are you serious?!
@@Clenched.Cheeks It's true. In EJO defense, he wasn't aware of that.
I just watched this episode. Since i cant comment on hulu i had to come here and express how sad this makes me. I hope she comes back somehow...RIP STARBUCK 😭😭😭😭😭
I was thinking the other day that Katee Sackhoff would have been AWESOME as Captain Marvel! And reviewing this scene I think they could have made it work, although it would be a bit of a stretch and maybe upset fans of the comics and maybe Battlestar but . . . Starbuck was from Earth and was a fighter pilot . . . and it was unclear if she dies right away or what! They could have spun it that what ever she flew into threw her back in time and to a different part of space and wiping her memories for the most part. I wish they would have done this as I think the Captain Marvel movie would have been SO much better as a result.
@@JohnLRice
That's the consensus of the movie groups also. Captain Marvel in the movies was Carol Danvers. Blonde hair Caucasian. The actress was compared to a plank of wood. I think Katee Sackoff has a better range than that in just one scene.
3:14 "Her ship's in pieces..."
*Adama breaks the ship in his office into pieces*
According to TV Tropes that was genuine anger on the part of Edward James Olmos, and who had not been told that Starbuck would return. That model ship he smashed? That was an improvisation - the ship wasn't a prop, it was a museum piece being loaned to the production team, valued at over $100,000 (he didn't know that either).
@@Myuutsuu85 holy shit surprise production team lol
OMG! I remember crying after this and everyday bugging my co worker that already watched this if she was really dead cause if she was i was going to stop watching this show. finally after lots of getting on her nerves she told me and I continued to watch. Couldn't enjoy if my girl wad gone.
Kara Thrace is our angel. She saved humanity so we could do it again.
Still makes me cry, a decade+ later 😢
Can you imagine if she stayed dead? This scene would be a hell of a lot more legendary then it is.
That might not have been Starbucks they came back and might have been Ibiss
@@jamesricker3997 Iblis does not fit.
Nah. I understand the integrity of keeping something dead but honestly her whole arc would have felt incredibly disappointing if this is the last we saw of her, none of her "acceptance" of her fate made any sense to me this episode
First time I watched it I just KNEW Kara wasn't dead. There was that flash of light in the cockpit before they showed the Viper burning up. I knew she just became an angel.
I almost stopped watching the series when Kara was lost. Glad I didn’t. So much emotion in a few moments.
This show is awesome. Some of the best characters and moments ever on TV.
Has anyone realized that, by the time Starbuck says to Lee that he should let her go, she is already dead
my thought runs along the Schrodinger paradox
This made me stop watching the show until a buddy of mine said she returned. Can't remember why she did it.
And so passes Galactica first Daughter from Life to the Eternal realm
Makes her reapperance even more emotional.
OMG I cried so hard during this scene 😭 I actually collapsed on the floor sobbing
Her ship's in pieces :( Her ship's in pieces
That show sure knew how to.
1:13 sounds like the voice of blade runner 2, baseline tester.
I remember watching this with my girlfriend and both me and her just started bawling when we saw this.
Wait.
Here, her ship disintegrates/explodes yet much later, her ship is intact, on the ground (Earth) with her decaying body still strapped in.
What the Frak?
Seems like her ship kinda exploded her to earth?
She came back from the dead. That is the part you have trouble with?
Different Starbuck from a different cycle.
I know it been a long time, but re watched the episode, on earth is only the cockpit, and heavily burned. so " her ship is intact, on the ground (Earth)" is a false claim.
@@ric_reborn Steve had a point - the cockpit section and the body inside are conveniently intact-ish.
I am Pretty Sure now that Keira is the reincarnation of the 13th "Daniel" since He was a fragile Artist / so was Keira. Etc and His DNA patterns we're scrambled remaking him into a her and her visions Tier her perfectly in with the one good plotark. Also Cavil already found earth before and used Keira as a puppet to control the survivours and lead them to their ultimate demise. To Show them once and for all their ultimate futility, and inferiority as one of their little games to teach them one final lesson. The 13th colonies coordinates we're known to the cylons die to the fact that the 5 Made a bargain with the cylons. This and the resurrection of Starbuck with the factory new Viper are the only explanation.
Dont Ask me though what happened with SB in the actual earth.
The special effects here are pretty good
I was such a mess watching this, I was bawling so hard 😭😭😭
RIP Starbuck
The only thing that comes close to this is in the original movie 1978 when Commander Adamas other son gets destroyed by the Cylon ambush
You can't get rid of Ibiss that easily she got better
Renember how much shit they threw in here for nothing..
Was the heavy rider real? because her fighter seemed to be taking real damage (holes and so) and they kept puting the HR in the scenes.. even in one wich had Apollo's Viper coming into frame
Then there is her hand grasping the ejection handle...
and all for nothing
Not sure if it matters. Maybe the heavy raider was like the Black Rabbit of Inlé in Watership Down.
If a god wanted to tell Kara how to find earth, couldn't he just have sent her the damn images and GPS? Whatever divine entity it is in BSG it seems to be dicking humanity around a lot.
@@usul573 its clear that whatever they had in their minds when they writed this was not what they developed later in season 4 .. or maybe when she shows up in a pristine new Viper at the end of the season..
They threw in too much stuff .. we can even see the Heavy Raider in the same shot with Apollo's Viper from behind.. not Kara's POV.. that means that they were trying to tell that the raider was real and was there.. but it then becames totally irrelevant for the history or for what happens later with Kara...
@@usul573 Like Adama said himself "if there is some higher entity having a hand at this they have a hell of a sense of humour"
@@sparrowlt Ah yeah I think I forgot that line. When we try to view it as the more Judeo-Christian God then we think of it being all powerful and all knowing. On the other hand the Greek gods are different in that they are flawed, scattered, divided, do crazy and random stuff etc. It seems the messengers serve some sort of higher power but the writers shied away from giving us solid answers. Again sometimes I just fall back to thinking of it like an epic mythic poem and I'm ok with it but it's a little maddening at times.
Recognize the signs when someone is suicidal.
If she could be saved why didn't she just eject.
Most satisfying scene. The most unbearable character in all of BSG.
Great show and i loved watching it. Still not really sure what the whole starbuck thing was though. I get it but also it was not needed.
She was always suicidal. That's why she was reckless in her flying
Dead aready
Кара погибнет ?!
Да, но смотри дальше.
😂
Don’t worry, just because a character dies doesn’t mean they won’t be back. Writing went to hell.
Why is a black templars in your visor reflection kara
Judging by the comments here, people really need to get out more..
Starting with you my dear. 😂
@@-.-4PR3ND1Z_R3L4X.-. haha, you win the stupidest comment of the day reward..
Those graphics :/
Who cares, the sound design is still great
Biggest piece of shut programming that this world has ever seen. What a insult to the original series
There's always one of you purists still lingering on these videos dropping nasty little comments. Make like a tree and get the frak out
There was an original series?
The new series had the FX the 1978 original badly needed. It also had some better ideas and initial characterization, but didn't develop them to a satisfactory conclusion.
Meh the original series was cheesy as fuck. Used the same two fx shots for combat the entire series
Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge.
OMG! I remember crying after this and everyday bugging my co worker that already watched this if she was really dead cause if she was i was going to stop watching this show. finally after lots of getting on her nerves she told me and I continued to watch. Couldn't enjoy if my girl wad gone.