First Opium War - Gunboat Diplomacy - Extra History - Part 3

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  • 📜 The First Opium War - Part 3 - Extra History
    The British responded to the Chinese halting their ships by erecting a blockade outside Canton. They fired a warning shot to turn back a private British merchant ship, the Royal Saxon, which attempted a blockade run, and the Chinese sent out their own navy to defend the runner. They were demolished. The British had better ships and better firepower. They made to discuss a treaty, but the Chinese refused to give in to the British demands regarding ownership of Hong Kong. The British moved on to capture Chusan, an island near Shanghai. Then a rumor prompted them to believe that China planned to strike against them, so they acted pre-emptively and kicked off the Battle of Chuenpee. Again they won, but the slaughter was so horrifying that Superintendent Elliot was glad to seek a peace treaty with the emperor's envoy, Qishan. Finally, Qishan agreed to give up Hong Kong, to give the British better trade status, in exchange for which Britain returned the land they'd taken. But Elliot's supervisor back in London, Lord Palmerston, felt the treaty didn't go far enough, especially since it didn't re-establish opium trading rights. And the Emperor found Qishan's capitulation disgraceful, even threatened to have him hanged for it. What had looked like moderate wins for both sides suddenly threatened to fall apart.
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Комментарии • 1,8 тыс.

  • @John-ch4wv
    @John-ch4wv 8 лет назад +1205

    After he was fired, Charles Elliot was transferred to a post in the Republic of Texas, which was the 1840's equivalent of being transferred to Antarctica. While there he succeed in negotiating a treaty of recognition and peace between Mexico and Texas which was to be guaranteed by France and Great Britain. However, the Texas Congress threw it out in favor of Annexation to the United States.

  • @gummihu
    @gummihu 8 лет назад +2115

    Wow if Qishan is fine he must be the longest living person in the world

    • @Delayed_0
      @Delayed_0 8 лет назад +37

      No... Just Chinese people for ya.

    • @silent_stalker3687
      @silent_stalker3687 8 лет назад +38

      +Delayed just Asians.

    • @eliplayzmc4111
      @eliplayzmc4111 8 лет назад +9

      lol

    • @crispybacon4240
      @crispybacon4240 8 лет назад +100

      I've observed a strange phenomena among Asians, particularly women. They appear young well into their 50's, then, when their sons/daughters bear them grandchildren, they shrivel up into old grandmas. It's similar to some Nordic women - I know one lucky woman in her 30's who's daughter is constantly mistaken for her sister.

    • @Delayed_0
      @Delayed_0 8 лет назад +10

      president comacho Can you show me some valid studies that show that?...*Giggle*... (I think you have a lot of pent up racism.)

  • @HalfTangible
    @HalfTangible 8 лет назад +2166

    Elliot is one of my favorite historical figures covered in Extra History, and this video perfectly encapsulates why. He's not eager to spill blood by any means, but he's also not spineless. Wedged between duty to his country and the ideals of that country, he picks the ideals, but does not entirely betray his duty. He's been put in a shitty position by his superiors and is trying to make the best of it. The British come first in his eyes, but the Chinese are still people.
    It's rare to see a guy that committed to doing the right thing in the face of so much wrong.

    • @TESkyrimizer
      @TESkyrimizer 5 лет назад +97

      Truly the world needs more people like Charles Elliot and John Rabe.

    • @ianedwards3482
      @ianedwards3482 5 лет назад +10

      Great Post HalfTangible

    • @marhabacarpet8593
      @marhabacarpet8593 4 года назад +8

      Nope, he is evil

    • @arthurlau98
      @arthurlau98 4 года назад +29

      Strong and Reasonable. That is Elliot.
      Too bad Lord Palmerston is a greedy and Daoguang Emperor is an idiot.

    • @maxfactor4209
      @maxfactor4209 4 года назад +8

      he is a war criminal indeed.

  • @Mathmachine
    @Mathmachine 8 лет назад +4396

    So basically...two people that are against war make the absolute best deal possible to avoid war...and their bosses are pissed because they didn't get all the things? ...These sound like really smart leaders to me...

    • @Rakshasa1986
      @Rakshasa1986 8 лет назад +263

      If you can find power, you will also find people who don't deserve it.

    • @ZORO12ful
      @ZORO12ful 8 лет назад +114

      Look from the British view of the things though. They were superior in terms of technology so a war against the Chinese wouldn't have been too costly for them.
      If anything , a war was the most profitable way. The Qing got smashed while the Brits got everything they wanted with minimal losses.

    • @alyssaagnew4147
      @alyssaagnew4147 8 лет назад +194

      That's the mark of a good compromise, it leaves no one satisfied.

    • @Flaris
      @Flaris 8 лет назад +93

      That sounds about right. Leaders can be greedy, arrogant, and utterly stupid. Sadly the smartest people in that situation were the ones that didn't have all the power. Could negotiate a great deal, but doesn't matter if the leaders are idiots.

    • @nelsonchereta816
      @nelsonchereta816 8 лет назад +48

      Unfortunately it WASN'T a great deal from the British perspective. And as unfair and unreasonable as it was, it made perfect sense for the British to reject the terms.

  • @Fatortu
    @Fatortu 8 лет назад +1886

    knock knock
    It's the United Kingdom
    with huge boats, with guns, (gunboats)
    "Open the country.
    Stop having it be closed"
    said the United Kingdom

    • @DershPardonNow
      @DershPardonNow 8 лет назад +22

      yes

    • @charlieterry8506
      @charlieterry8506 8 лет назад +256

      "we just want to sell some shit.
      like clocks. and guns. and 《|{ *JESUS* }|》

    • @Fatortu
      @Fatortu 8 лет назад +92

      and opium haha

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 8 лет назад +35

      I understood that reference

    • @dropmelon
      @dropmelon 8 лет назад +7

      What are they referencing in the comment?

  • @gabrielbrennan4149
    @gabrielbrennan4149 7 лет назад +398

    "Don't worry he lived, he's fine." XD I'm glad though

  • @oskarrasmussen7137
    @oskarrasmussen7137 4 года назад +80

    The fact that the Empire has a new super advanced and powerful warship named 'Nemesis' is incredibly space opera-esque

    • @Attaxalotl
      @Attaxalotl 6 месяцев назад +4

      The Brits have the best names for things.

  • @FelixIakhos
    @FelixIakhos 8 лет назад +124

    It always baffles me how these seemingly impossible combinations of unfortunate circumstances errupt in an all-out war.

    • @alexfrank5331
      @alexfrank5331 2 года назад +3

      It's baffling because you subconsciously notice that this is too much of an coincidence and you are right.

    • @painvillegaming4119
      @painvillegaming4119 2 года назад +10

      @@alexfrank5331 as great man once said the biggest difference between reality and fiction is that fiction must at least make some sense

  • @ocadioan
    @ocadioan 8 лет назад +602

    You should include Queen Victoria's letter to her uncle King Leoppold of Belgium when you do the lies. It illustrates the attitude of the English at home:
    "The Chinese business vexes us much, and Palmerston is deeply mortified at it. All we wanted might have been got, if it had not been for the unaccountably strange conduct of Charles Elliot ... who completely disobeyed his instructions and tried to get the lowest terms he could. [...] The attack and storming of the [Chuenpee] Forts on the 7th of January was very gallantly done by the Marines, and immense destruction of the Chinese took place. The accounts of the cruelty of the Chinese to one another are horrible. Albert is so much amused at my having got the Island of Hong Kong, and we think Victoria ought to be called Princess of Hong Kong in addition to Princess Royal".

    • @joelproko
      @joelproko 8 лет назад +35

      Did Queen Victoria have a daughter also called Victoria or are you mistaken about who the author of this letter was?

    • @ocadioan
      @ocadioan 8 лет назад +125

      joelproko
      Yep, Queen Victoria of Prussia

    • @andrewrendon7789
      @andrewrendon7789 8 лет назад +115

      No mistake. :) Queen Victoria had a daughter named Victoria: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria,_Princess_Royal
      Also, Queen Victoria's mother was also named Victoria: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Victoria_of_Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld

    • @PINGPONGROCKSBRAH
      @PINGPONGROCKSBRAH 8 лет назад +27

      Best comment. I love learning about the background stuff like this.

    • @tristantfly
      @tristantfly 8 лет назад +24

      +Quick Dodge
      I'd think otherwise, considering the Queen's full name was Alexandrina Victoria of Hanover, her daughter Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and Mary Louise Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld before her.

  • @williamheayn3760
    @williamheayn3760 8 лет назад +381

    but how could all the peaceful souls be taken ou-WALPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!

    • @teamsarcasm-redacted2032
      @teamsarcasm-redacted2032 8 лет назад +20

      WALPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @rolan638
      @rolan638 8 лет назад +30

      Spoiler:
      It was Walpole. It's. Always. Walpole.

    • @zacharygustafson8714
      @zacharygustafson8714 8 лет назад +37

      Walpole. Walpole never changes.

    • @kornetbeef
      @kornetbeef 8 лет назад +10

      He strike again!

    • @MerlinCross13
      @MerlinCross13 8 лет назад +17

      I love that he's become the running joke/gag of the series

  • @dementeddr
    @dementeddr 8 лет назад +5

    "Don't worry, Qi Shan lived; he's fine." Yeah, lives in Montreal now. Spends his days playing Go and CandyCrush.

  • @SirLordofDoor
    @SirLordofDoor 3 года назад +5

    0:04 the wa stands for Waluigie

  • @anttibjorklund1869
    @anttibjorklund1869 8 лет назад +22

    Ah, Lord Palmerston. Of course *he* would get involved, being the Foreign Secretary at the time...

  • @shocknix
    @shocknix 8 лет назад +28

    Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?

    • @clayxros576
      @clayxros576 5 лет назад +5

      After playing Civilization so many times, hearing that sentence makes me fire up my guns.

  • @LordEpos
    @LordEpos 8 лет назад +48

    YOU GET A MUSTACHE! AND YOOOUUUU GET A MUSTACHE! AND YYOOOOOOUUUUUU GET A MUSTACHE!

    • @RanockIronfist
      @RanockIronfist 8 лет назад +6

      In the time, the government would pay cops more to have a mustache. The mustache would make you seem more amiable and friendly. From this culture the mustache proliferated like cancer.

    • @heavytube7890
      @heavytube7890 6 лет назад

      Maybe all the Chinese soldiers were under the influence of a moustache?

  • @juanenfermobastardo337
    @juanenfermobastardo337 8 лет назад +3

    As a full blown history nerd, I heartily approve of this channel!
    Keep up the good work.

  • @Binidj
    @Binidj 8 лет назад +103

    Dammit EC! We don't write our dates like that! Feel free to do that mixed up craziness when writing about US history but for the rest of us it's day/month/year.
    (Loving your work but seriously stahp with the date murdering)

    • @joelproko
      @joelproko 8 лет назад +5

      I very much agree. But to avoid confusion, use day.month.year rather than either slashes version.

    • @AndrewMeyer
      @AndrewMeyer 8 лет назад +32

      How about we compromise and use an international standard like ISO 8601? yyyy-mm-dd

    • @bainjohn
      @bainjohn 8 лет назад +13

      american channel, american dates. you can write yours however you want

    • @meepwolf
      @meepwolf 8 лет назад +8

      It's not like they put numbers for the month, they said the month names out loud. How could you possibly be confused?

    • @sonicboom428
      @sonicboom428 8 лет назад +14

      He's not confused. He just wants an excuse to wave his European willy around. XD

  • @andrewsmith7871
    @andrewsmith7871 2 года назад +6

    I mean... "don't sell drugs and obey our laws" is a pretty reasonable request

  • @CuleChick11
    @CuleChick11 8 лет назад +3

    I look forward to this show every week. Thanks for making it!

  • @andrewstirling2051
    @andrewstirling2051 6 лет назад +9

    2:36 With a ship named "Nemesis", one could only imagine the bat-shit insane things the British would have wanted to do with it.

  • @rock3261
    @rock3261 6 лет назад +2

    Dan: *talks about a war over drugs destroying china*
    James: *smiles blankly*

  • @mrxcs
    @mrxcs 8 лет назад +3

    Watching all episode I can say, pride was the cause of 99% of the wars.

  • @cody5233674
    @cody5233674 8 лет назад

    I think the Three Kingdoms period was one of the most exciting events in Chinese history. A series on it will be highly appreciated.

  • @Delayed_0
    @Delayed_0 8 лет назад +8

    I CAN'T STAND WAITING A WEEK FOR THESE!!! :D I NEED MORE LOL

  • @regular-joe
    @regular-joe 4 года назад

    Thank you for including the "almost" portions of the trade talks, often omitted by others but which give such a deeper understanding of the issues.

  • @Lady_in_Yearning
    @Lady_in_Yearning 8 лет назад +4

    And that day, on opposing sides of the world... Charles Elliot and Qishan facepalmed in unison.

  • @pragmat1k
    @pragmat1k 8 лет назад

    So this comment is specifically for James, I hope he gets to see it. I was driving down the road here in Sunny FL a few weeks ago and I saw a large truck transporting goods down the highway. In very large white letters it said Walpole, not once, not twice, not three times. But from my vantage point I spotted it written four times on this truck and I could only think of you guys.
    Loved this episode just like the rest. Keep up the excellent work.

  • @Jian13
    @Jian13 8 лет назад +9

    Ah, yes, Victorian era politics at its best.

  • @GhostInTheShell29
    @GhostInTheShell29 8 лет назад +1

    I wish I could remember the name of the book, but there is an entire book about Elliot and Qishan. Read it back during highschool so its a bit fuzzy in my memory, but I do remember they were both given impossible orders, and neither side actually got what it wanted, but they each got just enough for peace to be possible.

  • @Epee2134
    @Epee2134 4 года назад +1

    To quote Barney Gumble from Simpsons:
    "And I say, England's greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston!" Moments before socking Wade Boggs in the face.

  • @NelsonStJames
    @NelsonStJames 8 лет назад +4

    How many people let out an audible "whoa!" when they said the Emperor ordered Qishan to be executed?

  • @Hectopath2006
    @Hectopath2006 3 года назад

    Elliot was a hero that was placed in a stituation where heros don't prevail.

  • @laynaTheLobster
    @laynaTheLobster Год назад

    "... but don't worry about Qishan he's fine"
    HE WALKS AMONG US

  • @Thescott16
    @Thescott16 3 года назад

    Elliot really was a man ahead of his time stuck between a rock and a hard place...

  • @samramdebest
    @samramdebest 8 лет назад +1

    5:24 so the ammunition exploded spontaneously?

    • @EngineersAnon
      @EngineersAnon 8 лет назад +17

      More likely, a gun was either overheated, inadequately swabbed between rounds, or both. Or the metal of the gun simply failed when it was fired.

    • @johnallardyce4164
      @johnallardyce4164 8 лет назад

      Simple answer: YES! Still happens even with modern gear.

  • @mizublackriver7021
    @mizublackriver7021 8 лет назад +7

    "He ordered Qishan executed for treason... don't worry, Qishan lived, he is fine."
    HE IS FINE EVEN TO THIS DAY?! WOW.

  • @monkeydetonation
    @monkeydetonation 8 лет назад +1

    I bet Walpole would have been great chums with this Palmerston guy

  • @whywasmyrealnamehere
    @whywasmyrealnamehere 8 лет назад +3

    Pretty sure Qishan is NOT fine. He's dead. just like every other human being in the entire world from that time.

  • @joshuamarvin7400
    @joshuamarvin7400 4 года назад +1

    'The Chinese will stop calling the British tribute-bearing barbarians any more.' Best line ever.

  • @caxer3305
    @caxer3305 7 лет назад +4

    2:25 Never, NEVER think britsh wont retaliate even if they are a whole continent away they will retaliate
    Falklands was another example of this..

  • @jim1550
    @jim1550 5 лет назад +1

    0:33 Tried and true method. Worked about 120 some odd years later for us in Gulf of Tonken too.

  • @alessiobellotti3912
    @alessiobellotti3912 8 лет назад +7

    "because walpole" must become a meme.
    R I G H T N O W !

    • @Dragonite_Knight
      @Dragonite_Knight 8 лет назад +8

      It has been one for a while now.

    • @joelproko
      @joelproko 8 лет назад +10

      You're way behind the times if you think it isn't already.

    • @suneenough
      @suneenough 8 лет назад +3

      "Because Walpole" isn't a meme, the meme is "It was Walpole", but it's more of an in-joke.

    • @alessiobellotti3912
      @alessiobellotti3912 8 лет назад

      I want the fuc*ing image, that's what i want to see on facebook and other media

  • @user-or7ji5hv8y
    @user-or7ji5hv8y 3 года назад +1

    Irony is that China lost lot more land to Russia due to the aftermath of the Opium War. Britain did the fighting and the largest spoils went to Russia. HK was just a backwater then, underinvested and ignored. It only mattered when it became rich.

  • @HuntingTheEnd
    @HuntingTheEnd 8 лет назад +5

    Is there something different between the map of China used here and the current map of China. I think I might be going crazy

    • @ShamanMcLamie
      @ShamanMcLamie 8 лет назад +24

      The Russians haven't annexed half of Manchuria yet and Mongolia hasn't seceded from China.

    • @theresamay4280
      @theresamay4280 8 лет назад

      There is. Qing Dynasty China had some land that the PRC does not have, such as most of Mongolia and parts of modern-day Russia in the east.

  • @glasseskun
    @glasseskun 8 лет назад

    This episode is kinda fitting for a chill Sunday morning, especially with the whole British exit going on right now

  • @BeeGeenie
    @BeeGeenie 8 лет назад

    This Palmerston fellow seems like a real Walpole.

  • @daleyatkinson6153
    @daleyatkinson6153 8 лет назад

    I just binge watched this channel for an hour, darn you for making History bite-sized enjoyable, and then stroking an appetite for learning more!

  • @MogofWar
    @MogofWar 8 лет назад

    When reason wins the day, diplomats get recalled and replaced promptly.

  • @mureithikivuti
    @mureithikivuti 5 лет назад +2

    Having a war.
    Step 1 - Remove all voices of reason
    Step 2 - BOOM

  • @anamusingidiot2565
    @anamusingidiot2565 3 года назад +1

    People Thinking Britain is "Too far away to fight."
    Britain: *Is that a challenge?*

  • @alimjanyasin3649
    @alimjanyasin3649 8 лет назад +6

    one fact: china sees others as a tribute vassal state unless convinced to think in another way by a war. they think still pretty much same nowadays.

  • @basicfailure101
    @basicfailure101 8 лет назад

    A small point of nitpicking, if I may; the Union Jack used throughout this video and the second one in this series is an older one. The Act of Union in 1801 unified the until then separate kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland, leading to the inclusion of a partial cross of St. Patrick in the design. Oddly though, the jack in the East India Company flag's canton is the current version.

  • @TheSviskekompott
    @TheSviskekompott 8 лет назад +31

    Gunboats are terrible. They seem to always end up making trouble in East-Asia.

    • @LtKharn
      @LtKharn 8 лет назад +3

      I mean something called a Gunboat is going to make trouble pretty much anywhere. It's what it's built for :p

    • @Infernal460
      @Infernal460 8 лет назад

      I am the Captin !

    • @konstancemakjaveli
      @konstancemakjaveli 8 лет назад +3

      Make your country not closed!

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 8 лет назад +16

      So if a country decides to stop trading with the outside world, it should be invaded and it's population slaughtered? Ok, time for Europe to invade Britain.

    • @konstancemakjaveli
      @konstancemakjaveli 8 лет назад

      +wingracer 16 yes

  • @heliosdelsol
    @heliosdelsol 7 лет назад +1

    I love y'alls animation so much! It's so funny, and it's incredible how much emotion and action you guys can convey with such simple animation!

  • @max4pne
    @max4pne 8 лет назад

    The British flag being used in the pictures is inaccurate. The flag of Kingdom of Great Britain is being used but the Opium War was after Ireland was brought into the UK and the flag was altered. Absolutely love these history videos though.

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 4 года назад +1

    "all the voices of reason removed". Yep, pretty good summary.

  • @weofparadigm
    @weofparadigm 8 лет назад

    I adore this series. Thank you so much for making it EC. I've shared these videos and some EC videos with friends and family. Keep doing what you do fam

  • @supereece9000
    @supereece9000 8 лет назад +5

    so basically war continued because pride.

  • @arkhamerp.l.6256
    @arkhamerp.l.6256 8 лет назад +1

    Man, I just love your history series! I can't wait for more! XD

  • @magikmann3952
    @magikmann3952 8 лет назад +59

    Oh china. You have the most powerful force in the world bearing down on you and you shout for more war...

    • @frankhill4358
      @frankhill4358 8 лет назад +24

      Well to be fair both sides messed up with mixed signals that led to more war

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 8 лет назад +7

      Most powerful Navy. Could you imagine what a nightmare it would have been if the British tried a full on land invasion of the whole country? They tried that once in America too (actually twice by this point), didn't turn out so well then. China would have been a disaster. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

    • @magikmann3952
      @magikmann3952 8 лет назад +2

      Frank Hill Still the emperor is given a favorable peace treaty and declines

    • @Fatortu
      @Fatortu 8 лет назад +36

      They couldn't possibly conceive they weren't the most powerful empire in the world. They had been the most advanced empire for the two previous millenia. Only the few Chinese that had to fight the British could understand that they weren't usual tribute barbars.

    • @brainstem46
      @brainstem46 8 лет назад +4

      @Fatortu ok, but surely they could have been clued in by looking at the capability of the British ships and weapons. The British were able to travel the world for trade and expansion, but I don't think the Chinese could with their smaller ships. The Chinese just thought they could still negotiate from a position of power? Both sides of the conflict don't look very good in this part of history.

  • @IAmAwesomeRocker
    @IAmAwesomeRocker 8 лет назад

    Walpole lives again! 7:46

  • @musicalDrebin
    @musicalDrebin 6 лет назад

    I gotta read up on this Elliot guy. Seems like a real decent fella

  • @ariklieu5011
    @ariklieu5011 8 лет назад +1

    I was waiting for this

  • @THEKINGSWOOSH
    @THEKINGSWOOSH 2 года назад +1

    6:46 PITT THE ELDER!

  • @uk6728
    @uk6728 Год назад +2

    These guys defeated the China from different part of the world

  • @ashtree99
    @ashtree99 7 лет назад +4

    Can someone explain to me why a lot of the discussion in the comments is around how both sides were at fault? Because to me it seems like the EIC and Britain itself got an entire society addicted to drugs for minding its own business. (And basically, drugs r bad so that was a terrible thing to do and it's on them that this conflict happened at all?) I know this perspective is simplistic but it's just how I'm interpreting the situation so far - would genuinely appreciate any kind of insight on this

  • @waleedkhalid7486
    @waleedkhalid7486 3 года назад

    This is giving me heavy WW1 vibes.

  • @Xbob42
    @Xbob42 7 лет назад

    "Don't worry, Qishan lived, he's fine."
    Phew, got me worried there. Tell him I said hi!

  • @MisterRON
    @MisterRON 6 лет назад

    I never understood the Wapole joke, so I watched the South Sea Bubble episode and I totally get it. He is literally the Ninja Ayatollah of Craftiness.

  • @jlink9225
    @jlink9225 8 лет назад +3

    Was china bigger back then???

    • @TheNINECity
      @TheNINECity 8 лет назад +3

      yes. entire mongol, part of russia, part of india, part of Japan island and Korea for vassal during qing dynasty

    • @johnallardyce4164
      @johnallardyce4164 8 лет назад

      VAST. Do you understand that China had mapped out the coast line as far west as the Cape of Good Hope in Africa by the 1400's ??

    • @jlink9225
      @jlink9225 8 лет назад

      Why didn't they conquer it?

    • @TheNINECity
      @TheNINECity 8 лет назад

      +Jlink922 In Chinese mind, if conquer barbarian country with low economy , China feel will waste money resources and maintain that country . So China established Tribute, Vassal and Puppet country. Total more than over 20 country were tribute state of China from Han to Qing dynasty

    • @jlink9225
      @jlink9225 8 лет назад

      oh

  • @w1q2e3r4t5
    @w1q2e3r4t5 8 лет назад +1

    6:30 - Well this was a short series, I thought the Opium wars had a lot more going on.
    Wait there's a minute and a half left... so much for a happy ending.

  • @XDflamesoffury
    @XDflamesoffury 8 лет назад +3

    In all fairness to the british (this comes from someone who plays alot of eu4 and civ) they obviously had a massive upper hand on the chinese, why shouldnt they demand more if they know that the chinese arent able to effectively resist them?

    • @TheNINECity
      @TheNINECity 8 лет назад +3

      when start Opium war, there was a public debate on British court, " a British general said we may defeat China But we unable conquer China. " China not like Africa or India. And later Boxer Rebellion, British need 8 alliance ( include Russia, German, France, Italy, Japan, Austria, Portugal ) to defeat China in 19century.

    • @TheNINECity
      @TheNINECity 8 лет назад

      +Sprie Spear miss a alliance " USA " which also join during boxer rebellion. But yet imperial China was not overthrow immediately

    • @Clee-os6pv
      @Clee-os6pv 8 лет назад

      +XDflamesoffury Yes, the British has a powerful military due to a upper hand in technology. But that alone is not enough to conquer a large unified nation like China. Plus they have other parts of territory to defend as well to maintain it's empire. The only reason why they took India so easy was it was divided and controlled by different rulers.

    • @XDflamesoffury
      @XDflamesoffury 8 лет назад

      Clee4000 but as we will see later (if my limited knowledge of the 1st opium war is correct) Britain won some fairly decisive victories against the Chinese and were able to get an extremely favorable treaty, so werent they correct to decline this 1st peace offer? I dont think they were ever expecting to own all of China, but the treaty of Nanking far exceeded what they would have got if they accepted peace then.

    • @Clee-os6pv
      @Clee-os6pv 8 лет назад

      ***** Yes, you are correct.

  • @benjaminortola5756
    @benjaminortola5756 8 лет назад

    W....Walpole? YOU HAD YOUR LIFESPAN!

  • @mccloaker
    @mccloaker 7 лет назад +1

    I'm surprised. I'd always liked Lord Palmerston. This is a new side of him.

  • @elatedmegalodon9156
    @elatedmegalodon9156 8 лет назад

    i don't know why, but every time i see something even referencing the opium war, i keep thinking of the same, old saying: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

  • @nitpickersheadliceremoval673
    @nitpickersheadliceremoval673 4 года назад

    So england has a hissy fit over tea seems legit. *Sips tea*

  • @05yuya
    @05yuya 8 лет назад

    I am reminded of a qoute my old Bachelor professor told me. "There is no territory that the british could not reach, no place where you could escape british law, and if you tried they would park a battleship outside and bomb you're capital into submission." It's a rough qoute.. But the point is clear.

  • @jattvolume3
    @jattvolume3 8 лет назад

    short , simple and engaging. . bravo!!

  • @Overhazard
    @Overhazard 8 лет назад

    The "All the Rules" book at the beginning of this video, looking at the spine, reads from right to left. (Did traditional horizontal Chinese writing read from right to left?)

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
    @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 3 года назад +1

    When you've 100% completed the game and come back for the optional boss

  • @jemmazhang7396
    @jemmazhang7396 6 лет назад +1

    Elliot is practically the only logical dude

  • @HoundofOdin
    @HoundofOdin 5 лет назад

    You hold fast to your duty, and I shall hold fast to mine.

  • @certifiedclassic2770
    @certifiedclassic2770 5 лет назад

    Elliot & Qishan: HEY GUYS WE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD DEALS HERE THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE AND BASICALLY NOTHING SUPER SERIOUS HAPPENED
    British & Chinese rulers: No screw you

  • @flowerfox9019
    @flowerfox9019 3 года назад +1

    Why isnt anyone talking about the amazing animation?!

  • @BugsydorPrime
    @BugsydorPrime 8 лет назад

    I... I'd heard a little about the Opium wars. I've watched all of Extra History, and I never expected to be so horrified by a part of it. The voices of reason trying to do the closest to the right thing that they could manage getting thrown out, wild rumors leading to massacres...
    This was a dark day in history.

    • @Clee-os6pv
      @Clee-os6pv 8 лет назад

      +BugsydorPrime This is why Western Imperialism was terrible!

  • @benjaminfrankson6759
    @benjaminfrankson6759 5 лет назад +1

    it was Walpole the whole time

  • @nakenmil
    @nakenmil 8 лет назад

    There's often a pattern in history: moderates are dismissed as cowards or traitors during times of increased tension.

  • @tcc5750
    @tcc5750 6 лет назад +1

    7:08 LOL he wanted Opium legalized in China, haha.

  • @paulconnelly4050
    @paulconnelly4050 2 года назад

    This is so brilliantly done. Thank you for making this.

  • @andrewanderson8803
    @andrewanderson8803 11 месяцев назад

    Feel so bad so charles elliot. Dude ended a war with minimal bloodshed and pretty good deal and got in trouble for it.

  • @ConkerTheCat
    @ConkerTheCat 8 лет назад +1

    Lol "dont worry QS lived, hes fine" ....I dont know extra history, I think time took its toll on everyone in this tale. ;3

  • @Lalle524
    @Lalle524 8 лет назад

    7:46 DAMN YOU WALLPOLE!!!!!!!!

  • @Colleywoodstudios
    @Colleywoodstudios 8 лет назад

    The pride of nobles always leads to the death of good men

  • @michael83479
    @michael83479 6 лет назад +1

    "Don't worry he's fine" um... does the Extra Credits team know something about mortality from all these books they've read that the rest of us dont. Like how to make the philosophers stone or something.

  • @Farfromhere001
    @Farfromhere001 8 лет назад

    ONLY HISTORY SHOW BETTER THAN CRASHCOURSE!

  • @Vertigo6000
    @Vertigo6000 8 лет назад

    I spy with my little eye, the man, the myth, the legend, sir Walpole himself. and he wants no peace.

  • @aaronk9374
    @aaronk9374 8 лет назад

    I used to come here for video game stuff, but now I'm here just for history lessons.

  • @PitLord777
    @PitLord777 8 лет назад +1

    7:45 Dammit Walpole!

  • @TumblinWeeds
    @TumblinWeeds Год назад

    Imagine what could have been avoided with a zoom meeting and Google translate 😂

  • @shellieng2809
    @shellieng2809 6 лет назад

    Excuse me I LIVE on that 'barren rock'!