Imagine if football was ruined somehow and all football fans were just told "just go play/watch baseball instead" while NFL merchandise was actively sold and new stuff was made
I have a hunch that alot of the "problems" in terminal-stage-capitalism would magically disappear overnight if "mandatory refunds" became a thing. This speaks to not just TF2, not just digital software, but almost every single form financial customer-business transaction...
At least not yet, although I hope he does. Titanfall 2 is such a great game. Great story. Great acting. Great characters. Great villains. Great soundtrack. Great guns. Great Titans. Great levels.
Titanfall is one of the weirdest things to me because it's a game that like... once the first one died, everybody was talking about how great it was and all this stuff. They somehow get a sequel and the exact same thing happens to that game, but people say that 2 was even BETTER than the first and that it's like the best FPS of all time. Sorry, but when your game fails twice to capture an audience, idk what to tell you.
@@ArticianAlso the backlash on MYM was small and most people left or became apathetic. Fixtf2 got over 40k negative reviews in one week when MYM got under 2k in full month. All i am saying, now we know better and i just wish we held them accountable earlier. If we actually pulled fixtf2 for MYM. tf2 could been in a better state and maybe we still been receiving updates.
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response? Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
@@BeastlyMussel61 we need to keep pestering valve even though they banned bots, while that was a step in the right direction, we need to keep the pressure on them.
I think another thing to add to the problem is how some TF2 fans are too quick to say "Valve fixed TF2" when a new fix update comes out. It won't take long for Bot hosters to find a workaround and we see more sniperbots, but hey guys we got the MF DOOM hat! The game needs constant support not a glance and bandaid solution
literally, this is similar shit to that one big summer update hey guys, we fixed the bots for an unknowable time, but check this out also!!! they added MF DOOM hat and gordon freeman to tf2!!!! just like the seal!!! remember??? i love this game but it seems like half this community has the attention span of toddlers and gets distracted by jingling keys in their face vs actually holding valve accountable, now that the summer update dropped, its gonna be easy for valve to just never give tf2 an update ever again because all organized movement is stopped entirely when a new hat crate comes around
The kinda people who say "just play a new game" are the kinda people to buy an EA sports game, open hundreds of dollars worth of lootboxes, then next year buy the new version where none of their microtransactions carry over.
@@thatguynobodywants3716 No one said they weren't. TF2 is a pioneer in the lootbox industry. I'm just poking fun at the kind of person who views their favorite games as dispoable, yet still spend hundreds on the lootboxes like addicts.
holy shit this is so braindead I can't believe you typed that, like seriously this is the EXACT opposite that people want, when we say "play something else" we mean STOP SUPPORTING VALVE, STOP BUYING TF2 LOOTBOXES, STOP UBYING COSMETICS. ITS NOT THAT HARD TO COMPREHEND IS IT??
Fun fact: the closest clone of tf2 we ever had was “plants vs zombies: garden warfare”. It have payload and you can play multiple classes that also have multiple different abilities also cosmetics options. For example: peashooter haves the plasma pea with a different shooting mechanics and different stats
Too bad that has similar problems with cheaters last time i played, it was so bad cheaters could lock you out of multiplayer permanently…at least for GW2
garden warfare two is so much fun to revist and play. It really was the closest thing we got to a tf2 clone but also managed to be good and still hold up today. tho I do believe its sadly facing the same cheating problems like tf2.
"back in the day" when I couldn't play Tf2 (due to old laptop and the bots) when I saw OW my first reaction was "wow this is TF2 but worse" Also Overwatch is only relevant due to porn and that's hilarious (I Said all that because I Thought OW was a TF2 Clone but like I Said in bad IMO)
Competitive and TF2 is so incongruent. Like how valve thought the game where the whole server stops fighting and follows the heavy off a cliff would be fitting for competitive mode still boggles my mind to this day whenever I think of TF2
It's already starting to. Valve hasn't done anything with CS2 as of recent. Nobody cares about Valve's other games though, it's all about Team Fortress 2 apparently.
@@DaRealBruner we're not saying that, It might sound like that since all you're seeing is fixtf2 videos, but there are also counter strike videos talking about valve's negligence.
Not really the analogy that fits here, you own the car, you have the right to fix and upgrade it, it's more your responsibility. TF2 is Valve's responsibility to look after, not the players.
I’m okay with never getting major updates again like we used to, they’ve moved on to other things, that’s cool. I just want the game to be maintained in a playable state, and as of the past month, they’ve actually been doing the well. Solving the bot issue isn’t simple, and while we don’t know exactly how they’ve done it (which is a good thing) it’s safe to assume that it took a good amount of time to develop. As long as they keep on top of it, I’m happy. I also find it really funny how a bunch of people started going off that we’re just whining and nothing will happen, someone even used my thumbnail in one of their memes for it. But now we can point and laugh at the fools they made out of themselves.
I'm frustrated by Valve, I won't lie. But I think they're the only major company I still kinda respect as a whole? I think there's more room for improvement, surely, but they're not a big company (upwards of 300 people, I believe), it's not easy to manage, I'd imagine. I wish them the best, I really do.
A fundamental issue that will always haunt gaming is cheaters, and you can only do so much against cheaters when they first arrive. However what valve let happen was incredibly negligent and they don't really bother enforcing their rules on VAC until now. We need to hold ALL games to a better standard.
i don't think you understand how hard it is to police a game where you can make infinite free accounts, this could happen to any game, only people who play valve games have the amount of autism required to ruin this game. Not to mention the fact that the games source was leaked, for all you "giving to the community folx" that and the fact that people were obsessed enough to make public bot hosting clients in order to ruin the game. Valve did what they could have, they did so extremely thoroughly and in fact were rushed into their solution, thankfully it seems to have worked, them communicating would serve to have the bothosters work around their solution.
or you can do what most companies nowdays do which is make a kernel virus to destroy people's hardware and wiretap their OS, while not actually solving cheating...
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response? Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
While not a "fix Minecraft" movement, people in Minecraft wish for impossible uptades and features to this day thinking it will fix the game when the fundamentals of the game (survival) is broken, they fight against one another making a nothing game, when you think this happened is up to you because each uptade seems to just add to this That's why people play only in servers, old versions or only modded How many people call Mojang lazy? Minecraft of course as advantages of giving the players options to going to past versions and even playing online on said versions but so weird right? Also java exist and just sad
"Are the vasts majority of Game consumers just battered housewives that will fork over money no matter what?" Yes. Unironically Yes. Not me, I mostly play either older stuff or indie shit these days. But the vast majority of gamers are just brainlet consoomers, unfortunately.
Because they have no soul, nothing going on in their life so they have to define their very identity by buying games. Not even playing games, just buying them and left it in their account to collect dust.
@@kail4997 Consoomers have been a plague on all art mediums; this affects movies, games, just about everything. People who have no personality beyond their brand loyalties, and mindlessly consoom "next product", meaning companies don't have to try anymore because they know their users will eat it up regardless of quality purely because it is from [BRAND].
Bots getting banned is great and all but it should have been done like 4 years ago. Valve doesn't deserve to be fellated for finally getting off their asses to do the bare minimum that makes their game actually playable.
@@sansanimzisnotrealanymore yes I will womp womp and shit my pants because bots have a way to bypass that limitation making the f2p players the only disadvantaged
My issue is that TF2 is stuck in this weird limbo state where its not dead or alive, I would be cool if Valve just officially stopped supporting TF2. It would be one of those old boomer shooters with the same 40 good players. But they are still selling keys and such while the quality of the game is still awful.
Basically this. I go as far to say Valve is in this strange limbo state where because of their sheer laziness, they haven't done anything good for us. But at the same time, they are so lazy they don't try to scam their players with shitty tie-ins and other things like that. Instead they just make the workshop and we do all the work for them.
They won't ever shut it down because if suddenly hundreds of items on the community market are suddenly useless it would fucking obliterate the economy from panic of people realizing that they are just 1s and 0s
They won't ever shut it down because if suddenly hundreds of items on the community market are suddenly useless it would obliterate the economy from panic
@@redline841 The change to Dust2 with the Boost Box on CT side where you once had to coordinate, now leads to an over-rotation and is causing some uproar. I don't like it personally since it leads to an over-rotation of CT to mid.
I remember way back where Gabe said in a press conference if TF2 were to ever go under he'd release the game with everything that was available for that time (Cosmetics, weapons, official maps, etc.). Unfortunately this was around 2010-2011 so you can unfortunately see the monster this game has become.
In this day and age, merely being "annoying" is a cardinal sin. People say how tf2 fans are a problem, then speak absolutely wicked things over a minor inconvenience. They might as well just wish death upon them. And quite frankly, if you wish death upon people from the slightest inconvenience - the problem lies within you and your own temper. Not the mildly annoying people. People probably are so misinformed on the matter because Internet is enough of a shitstorm with constant drama, that no one even bothers to keep up with each one(it will drive you insane). Or alternatively something, something, peeps today are soft. something, something, i don't know.
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response? Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
@@d0ct0rz3d4 because people don't like it when an issue isn't about them. They don't have the critical thinking skills that one thing can always be connected to another.
@@dogeprissy9850 have you tried asking the ones in this comment section about the flaws of deadlock? I can think of 3 off the top of my head. 1. Heroes with ridiculously high hp. 2. Long respawn times depending on if you or your team is doing poorly and 3. You're unable to switch heroes midgame, this will definitely be a problem for those who cone in late game and accidentally pick a hero they don't like. They usually tell me that those issues are fine because it's a moba, even though it's going to try to appeal to valve's shooter audience too. Oh and as a 4th bonus, there are already cheaters in the game, their response to that "well there's always gonna be cheaters so there's nothing we can do"....
20:00 When I bought Rainbow 6 I did not expect the game to turn into fortnite splatoon battle pass royale. I went back to TF2 precisely because its the old kind of game that just doesnt change and doesnt pretend like its something else, I want to have fun not stress out and get this unempathetic "just play newer product" garbo
You are the ONLY other person (that I've seen so far) say this. The issue isn't that Valve "neglects" TF2. The game is 17 years old. The issue is that they milk money out of it by leveraging a small private cabal of Discord freaks who have completely captured the TF2 Workshop and have a full monopoly of it to make crap items to extract as much money as possible with zero regard for quality and THEN neglect TF2. If TF2 was left in the same state it was in around 2014-2016, maybe had a few EOL bugfix updates, maybe one or two weapon balance changes (Vaccinator, Wranlger) to clean it up and was left as a complete well rounded product...Then I wouldn't have any further complaints for a game this old. Sure we have ONE contracted developer who has pushed some community fixes and wizardry from the likes of Mastercoms and Sigsegv however it seems as if a lot of content is off the table. No new weapons, no weapon balances. Purely fixes to keep the game running which feels very much like a sunsetting/emergency life support. Also something that is rarely mentioned, his contract could just not be renewed at any time Valve wants.
@@achair7958 Why not Borderlands? Or COD? Wait I forgot TF2 fans hate that one... one sec... Superhot, that Dino game that RUclipsrs love for some reason (not the browser game), Halo (preferrably the older ones), Farcry, Crysis, Splitgate 2, Titanfall 2... there are other options in the shooter realm if thats what yer into... Why does the linear option always have to be OW?
All the games you mentioned doesn't play like TF2, the closest a game got to the exact same style was Overwatch and even then that game is no longer cool to play.
@@SammEater the problem of overwatch is the sequel didnt work well across the months most of the content is locked by a battlepass, most of the challenge skin earned by playing the game are now selled in the shop and the whole reason to make a 2 is continue the pve and the game go went from bad to worse (most of the developers team being fired and other ones being done n dust because most of the controversies and sins has been revealed before) then 6 vs 6 is going back and overwatch fans are in constant reject and mald bc all the 5 vs 5 concept aged so bad like milk.
Imagine if you were an avid TV watcher and then someone just came along and started unplugging your TV over and over and then called you entitled for wanting to watch TV You’d be pissed off, right?
Bro as a public television viewer, this would piss me off a lot imagine if that person told me to watch comushal station a wud rather end up misimformed on internet then that.
Imagine if you gave a bunch of people TVs for free and a decade later everyone brought them all back to you broken and told you that you were obligated to fix them. You'd rightfully think they were a bunch if entitled children, right?
@@DimentiosLoyalest i'd probably fix them because i'm getting a LOT of money from them having these free tvs due to them bying non-required extras and fixing them would likely mean even more money in the future
@@DimentiosLoyalestit's more like you installed a bomb in everyone's TV as a manufacturer then get upset in a few years after they all go off and everyone demands a refund.
if only other game community's were just as vocal about continuing to support games just as old to show game dev shareholders that we want og game design
I recommend everyone check out Ross Scott and his "stop killing games" campaign that is going on right now. It seems to be right on topic with preventing games from becoming unplayable in the future.
That's a bit of a separate issue. The problem that Stop Killing Games is trying to address is live service games where the publishers give up on the game and pull the plug on it despite the fact their servers are the only way to actually play the game, more-or-less taking the product away from you after you bought it, which for anything else other than gaming would be deemed illegal. TF2 actually *has* community servers already - good ones too - so even if Valve were to cut support right now, the game would still be playable to some degree regardless, so it isn't included in the movement. In other words: This isn't the game being killed, this is the game being neglected. Big difference
What's really wild about the bot problem is that aimbots are a tiny minority of the total number of bots on TF2. There are literally thousands upon thousands of bots whose entire purpose is to exploit TF2's random loot drops, with bot farmers having hundreds of them idling on servers at a time (using a text-only version of TF2 that uses very little computing power) and selling off the crates and items they farm.
And about cheaters, aimbots aren't the only kind of cheaters, there are plenty of closet cheaters that manage to hide it well, and because of that can get away with it in community servers. IMO those cheaters are worse because of that.
“Just spend you time on something worse” “Why do you have to enjoy the things so much” “Why are you cleaning the dust off the painting and re oiling it, you know there are people making new paintings right?”
What, you don't like how Apex murdered the lore and vomited out the excuse that it's "20 years into the future" so everything you cared about it is gone in a text crawl? I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. And I doubt Titanfall 3 will be little more than average.
If you want the bots removed and for anti-cheat to be improved, that's completely fair. Those need to be fixed in an always-online game and are essential for the game to be playable. For content updates though, people really need to branch out. Want more TF2? Play TF2 classic. Or Open Fortress. Actually support mods and creators that WANT to give you more TF2 instead of running to VALVe who doesn't care about you.
If you mean an update that fixes the anti-cheat or removes the bots, then absolutely. Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to exist in an always-online game. If you mean a content update, then you need to look to TF2 Classic. Or Open Fortress. Or anything other than the massive megacorporation that doesn't give a shit. There's independent modders and creators trying to make more TF2.
15:00 "None of these things apply to TF2" That's a blatant lie. The microtransaction in TF2 is predatory business practice and not just light microtransaction. We're talking about the heavy one, the ones that contain loot boxes which is even greedier then just having purchasable cosmetics.
to be fair, most people don’t use the mann co store and you can typically sell off your items when you decide it’s time to call it quits (unless you’re a cheater and get banned)
People will say: “Just play another game.” then come out with: “Man, Gaming has kinda died huh.” Also you are 100% correct about “Gaming Tourists” and “Gaming Residents”. Some people just boot up games to simply “blow off steam” (In the dopamine-mining blow-shit-up sense.)
Old School Runescape has proven that a game no matter how graphically simple can literally last forever and be vastly superior to most modern titles. Companies would love to have the dedication OSRS/TF2 have. Valve could update TF2 forever or just pull a Counter Strike 2 and just roll the game into Source 2. It's bizarre that Valve would just completely abandon the whole thing.
Even as someone who doesn’t play PC games or TF2, I know that TF2 players aren’t entitled on the basic fact that all they are asking is for Valve to put some care into a game that so many people still love. Even if it has been addressed, the fact it got to this point is embarrassing. It’s getting close to 20 years of TF2 and people are still playing, making sfm or gmod vids, and loving the characters and it’s just sad that Valve really lost its priorities away from what made them great to make them neglect all of their fans and not even for a cynically logical reason either like other game publishers have.
@@SuperDuperSebyeah, you’re right. I feel I was referring more to it’s embarrassing how a company as big and rich as Valve allowed one of their most important games to get to the state it was in. Then again, given the current state of most of the industry, it really isn’t too surprising isn’t it. The only difference between the state of TF2 and other industry embarrassment’s is a decline due to apathy rather than poor decision making based on chasing and over saturating trends.
It's funny, I recently applied after graduating for Game Design, applied mentioning my experience with programming, and map making for the Source Engine (Showed a reskin of Dustbowl I was making, and a prototype map for another game I was making on the side), Valve responded with "we need someone with 10 years of experience" and mentioning about talent. Ironically they barely make games anymore so what is this talent being used for? (Most likely Deadlock, and something else.) I get it, college diplomas are more closer to a toilet roll than a get-a-job tool, but still, I am willing to work on TF2, and they're just like "nah, but we hope to hear from you later on your journey" so least they were respectful about the application. Legit, I thought they'd ghost me like other employers or how they communicate with their communities, but no, like 2/3 days after I applied they responded.
It almost sounds like they're deliberately ignoring tf2 to the point where they won't hire people who are willing to work on the code for the game. The fuck is wrong with valve?
@@d0ct0rz3d4 No, you get it wrong. Valve is very picky when it comes to recruit. This is why Valve's employees are very few but talented. They never have internship to begin with. They could have do that and employ intern to maintain old game like TF2 or L4D2. But no, they scoop talents across the industry because they want the best of the best for themselves. This is why I'm not the biggest fan of Valve's structure. Yes, they develop the best product, they are the most pro consumer out of all game companies and they rarely fail to do what they promise. But they are too selective on who to employ, too lazy to manage talented people and let them scatter on whatever project they want. Valve's structure is the blessing and a curse. And that curse has already killed L4D2, is killing TF2 and will kill CS2. I have hope for DOTA 2 because while they might not be the biggest esport. They have Ice fucking Frog who is still passionate for DOTA 2. Minh Le is no longer in Valve so CS2's fate is on the tight rope. Robin Walker has no interest in TF2 so it's also on tight rope. I have so many frustration on how Valve works but I should stop now. This comment is already too long. I hope this explains why Valve rejected OP, and why TF2's problem is complicated than you thought.
Also as of late playing other games in the industry, I see so much mistakes that I would've never implemented with my teachings, and imagine this is why Valve is picky and strict on hiring. It's not a matter that they're assholes, just that they don't want new graduates like me coming in and changing things. Something I learned in more recent times with reflection; the more you change or modify something for updates, the higher risk of damaging the game's structure. If you remove elements from TF2 that previously were in the game, like the Half-Life 2 textures, it would cause errors on community made maps that used those textures. Valve has some of the biggest communities and games that cast a massive shadow across the industry, so errors or mistakes a new member of the industry could make would ruin their products, and potentially taint Steam's reputation for that matter as well.
I agree so hard with the “treadmill work” comment. I was shocked to see so many people agree with them, but THAT’S WHAT FUCKING WORK IS DIPSHIT. WORKING ON MAINTAINING YOUR GAME IS THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM. I cannot believe how tone deaf that company is
I can't believe there are actually people here who support valve refusing to work on their games like "if valve doesn't want to they don't have to" mf they should be listening to their customers!
Honestly, if a company is still happily profiting from a game, they should be obligated to provide the bare minimal in keeping it at least functional, are TF2 players entitled? they certainly are entitled for something that basic. I love TF2 but the ineptitude of Valve on doing even this had me selling the majority of my backpack as for me the writing was on the wall.
honestly part of the reason why bot crisis happened in the first place was the weird limbo state tf2 is in the tools to pull off the bot crisis already existed years beforehand that point before the bot waves was the point that hope was lost in tf2s future and whats left is a feeling of hopeless and ennui and whats to say that things will even get better considering the status quo?
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response? Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
The “move on to a new game” people are so bizarre. It’s like simultaneously a purposefully contrarian point and a consoomer soy argument. I haven’t seen it said in a genuine way, pretty much only said to sew anger into the discussion, and it’s also like “what you don’t wanna spend 70 dollars on new game? Maybe consoom more will make you happy”
Imagine a family of four being displaced because their house is being demolished and you say “just make a new one chuds” because this won’t affect you at all. Literal basement dwelling-cheeto huffing-nothing to lose in life behaviour
The whole "dis game is old bruh, let it die" argument is both stupid and frustrating at the same time, plenty of games that are older or almost as old as tf2 still get updated (LOL, Minecraft and Roblox) and it also shows disrespect for old games.
The tourists who insist you just find a different game are simply unable to relate to having a thing you like taken away because they're dispassionate about games. They simply go with the last thing they played is the thing they like the most, then play something else and repeat it. It's why they'll defend games like Concord or Deadlock; they have no ability or even desire to compare those games to other games. Combined with their intense hatred of 'gamers' in general, their complete lack of passion or ambition means they'll fight tooth and nail to defend games that are mediocre simply because they enjoy it and they like it makes you mad.
@@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475 Tbh no matter what you think about the guy his video on matchmaking was spot on, almost forgot how bad things got because quickplay was removed it's just fucking sad
@fortynights1513 well, the comics were actually commissioned by Valve themselves to kinda add more to the lore of the game and create a story to add to each of the major updates they released. Each update had its own theme so the comic kinda added backstory to the changes the updates made and they are free on the TF2 website to boot
Games like TF2 and DRG have the staying power because it's ideal for 'hanging out' with your pals after work. The community is what keeps it alive and it's not something a game can just acquire
Short answer: Yes. Less short answer: Players are entitled to a smooth experience if they're expected to pay (for either the game itself or in the in-game shops), however, the company that runs the game is not obligated to do anything for the players, and has the choice to miss out on the revenue. These guys however are obnoxious and continue to engage with the game (with or without purchases) despite boycotting.
Also just because things got alot better recently in Tf2 in regards to the bot problem does not make any of the arguments presented in this video any less relevant. Just being things recently just got okay doesn't mean that the years and years of the game being non-functional disappeared. Which is why the people in the FIXtf2 movement people was still thinking of a boycott of the games products(currently am not fully aware of the progress of it but the point still stands and I have not engaged in any purchases personally.)
As someone who has never played and probably will never play TF2, there's nothing "entitled" about demanding things from giant companies for _your_ money. Berating an individual dev or small indie team for not putting more features in their games than AAA studios can verge on it, but even in that case you're still paying money for their output. If you expect more than they can give and choose to both not give them money and express why you did so publicly, it's not like you're not offering something in exchange.
TF2 players are entitled but simply wanting the game to function isn't part of that. If you walk into a store and see that the massive dump somebody took in aisle 3 several years ago still hasn't been cleaned up you should ask to speak to the mangager actually. That said, the idea that any new Valve project is taking away resources from TF2 is laughable. People at Valve don't work on TF2 because they don't want to work on TF2, it's as simple as that. Also, who is pushing MOBA's as a replacement for TF2? Are people just pretending this MOBA I've never heard anything about and looks nothing like TF2 is supposed to be Valve's TF2 killer because they're salty?
"Valve doesn't have to work on it if they don't want to!" Bullshit! If they're going to keep the game up and even release community cosmetics, taunts, creates and maps, it's their responsibility, or whoever the only person who's working on the game's responsibility to at least keep it functional if valve is gonna continue to use it for chump change. Can't they at least hire people who know tf2's code inside and out, or want to actually fix it? While valve isn't actually killing the game, they seem to have been going out of their way to slowly kill it, like not letting new players call for medic or chat at all. Most tf2 players aren't asking for much. Since when did wanting a game to be functional become "whining"?
Now, I wonder what those people who unironically followed #killtf2 thinking about the game right now. For me, I don't give a shit what they think and I glad the TF2 is now in playable state as it should be years ago.
@@Photom101 ...It does? Clearly it had to influence him enough that it was on the tip of his tongue for this comment. He can say he's above it, but is he really? I feel someone who is above #killtf2 would not even as much as mention it, period. The opposite of love is not hate, its apathy. For his statement of not giving a shit to have weight, it shouldnt even be in his vocabulary, its that irrelevant.
Sticker Progression: 00:08 None 00:50 TF2 Logo 01:55 Deadlock Logo, slashed 04:21 Living Tombstone Logo (2014~2020) 11:29 Analogue Clock (10:09, apple watch default) 15:55 Deep Rock Galactic Logo (ROCK AND STONE!) 18:35 Bonus: Bowl of fruit on the desk 19:58 Guitar Hero Logo 21:39 GameStop Logo 22:00 Contract Papers 23:14 Mann Co. Supply Crate (tf2 lootbox for those in the back) 23:25 The Orange Box Original Soundtrack Album Cover 26:16 Stick Man Running On A Treadmill 27:44 Fanmade TF3 Logo (made by se2ba4st6ia8n12 on DA)
See, this is how i feel about Yugioh. Like Valve, Konami is slowly killing their game due to a lack of balancing, fixes or care towards their product. They do the bare minimum to keep people engaged while printing cards and archetypes that inflate the secondary market to the point where buying a competitive deck is comparable to buying a new gaming PC (i wish i was fucking with you, and moreover, these cards depreciate rapidly). And if you're a competitive player, then forget getting anything of worth for your troubles. At best, you might win a Nintendo Switch if you're lucky. Leave it to mother fucking Konami to create one of the biggest downward spirals in modern gaming (albeit not video gaming). That being said, i do love how honest the community is. While there's still some apologists, everyone tends to be pretty open and outspoken about their opinions towards the game. Like, no one can ever really agree on shit, and it often produces a lot of fun and engaging discussions. But yeah, being a fan of this game is just suffering. It still has plenty of high points to keep me around (I mean, hell, I'm workshopping a homebrew format at the moment), but there's often a lot of disappointment. And this is coming from someone who generally likes modern Yugioh, that's how bad the current situation is. Like, its not even a preference thing, the game is just falling apart in real time. Its a miracle that last year's DUNE/AGOV format was as good as it was, it feels like it happened completely by accident. Synchro Runick is still one of the coolest decks in this game despite everything, Joshua Schmidt is a fucking genius.
Honestly the whole savetf2 campaign is what really made me turn on valve, the game had been a cesspool of hackers and bots for the longest time. There was so much public outcry for valve to do something. That tweet saying that they were gonna finally do something about it, they come out with another bullshit "holiday-sized update" and did fuck all after that. Thats when i turned my back on them and stopped playing tf2
the worst thing about that "holiday-sized-update" was that it was originally an "update-sized-update" which meaning, weapons and balance changes but no just regulate it to maps and cosmetics. sure one man can only do so much but should have thought thoroughly first.
At this point "whining and entitled" just means someone unwilling to consoom product. Don't like the new pokemon? Shut up and be grateful a multi-billion company is continuing a franchise that continues to make them billions. Don't like the new Star Wars? Stop being entitled and racist and be grateful the billion dollar company continues to make products of the billion dollar franchise.
Hit the nail on the head. Even in this video with constructive points and valid concern for the game, people still call him entitled for wanting a functional product. Most of the people who call others whiney and entitled usually feel like they "deserve" something from the company for buying their products. After complaining about said product on Twitter. Like GTA fans thinking they deserve every building in GTA 6 to be enterable and the map be 3 times the size of the red dead redemption 2 map. After buying shark cards and gobbling up the same re-packaged content then complaining the game sucks for 9 years.😂😂
Hopefully next they make it so that your team doesn't end up getting filled with F2P's while the enemy team is filled with Lvl. 347 players with 5000 hours of playtime.
bro , if you wanna be competitive , dont get in casual lobbies and normal community servers , there's litteraly platforms to host and play competitive with other try hards . We will not miss you with that attitude
The day I stop asking for improvements in the game is the day they stop selling stuff. If they sell stuff and want to make money out of new cases, the consumers have a right to ask for a playable game
I am more angry that Valve has no communication with their player base at all. TF2 should prove that Valve despite their creative freedom, is not competent to upkeep a live-service game. They became tourist in their own game and twisted it to that image. They basically rebooted the game in 2016 with MeetYourMatch update, which received huge backlash. You can see this by checking the Steam Reviews of July, 2016 which was the previous record number of negative reviews before FixTF2. What they did with the complaints was to double down on their competitive revamp of the game, only doing some minor hotfixes. No thought was given for original game design and the culture built around it. There's still a lot to fix on Valve servers but the community servers still provide the true experience how the game should be. Which is unfortunate that they choose to funnel all the new players to the mess they've created instead. Valve doesn't listen, that's their problem.
valve’s reputation as the “good guys” of the gaming world died at least a decade ago but 2000 hours being a lot? buddy i got 11,000 hours in crusader kings 3 alone
@@RwandaBob you are unironically a giant loser the game came out like 4 years ago. LMFAO how do you put that many hours unless you’re unemployed or have no social life? Or you’re a millionaire with no responsibilities
A lot of people seem to have a resentment for players who cling to older games. You see this “move on” take whenever people talk about playing anything that’s been around a long while. I see it most with Tf2 and Melee but I’ve even seen it in the Halo community towards people who play the original trilogy. I’ve never really understood why but it seems to just keep getting louder over time. It usually comes with people asserting that we only like these games because of nostalgia but for many of these games that stick around this long it’s because there’s literally nothing that offers a comparable experience. Like what do you wan a Tf2 or a Melee player to switch to??? Overwatch? Smash ultimate? These games are on a surface level similar to these old classics but once you actually start playing them you realize just how much depth and style they have that more modern games lack or even intentionally remove. People would go though the trouble of playing these old games if there wasn’t something there that’s not offered in their newer competition
As far as I’m concerned if people enjoy older games then that’s their prerogative. I don’t think enjoying older or contemporary games in and of itself makes you any more or less of a person. One thing I will argue though: Even if you don’t enjoy contemporary games due to the industry now or micro transactions or what have you, some of the music tracks that are composed for video games nowadays are pretty good, and perhaps get overlooked in that discourse. As for TF2, sounds like an interesting game but I’ve never played it. Team shooting game I’d take it. Is there a mode to play as one player vs CPU’s? That’s one thing that most shooters lack that I would enjoy if they had. As for Melee, I grew up with it, and it’s a really good game for what it is. I would agree that Smash Ultimate wouldn’t exactly be a good substitute for it, in particular if you are someone who enjoys the game for the mechanical glitches that competitive players exploit. The thing about Super Smash Bros that I would argue is that all of the games in the series have something that you can only get in that specific game (among official releases anyway) in addition to their physics engines. The first game is the only one with Board the Platforms. Melee is the only other with all the bonuses and the side scrolling adventure mode. Brawl had the Subspace Emissary and had the original stage builder (which is different than those since). Smash Bros for 3DS had Smash Run, and for Wii U had Smash Tour. And Ultimate has Spirits and the squad strike mode, stage morphs, as well as Smashdown I believe came from there. Everyone talks about how their ideal Smash game would have an incredibly high quantity of characters, well mine would have every feature in the series brought back into one game that I listed, the ability to practice race to the finish (all versions), and the ability to do tournaments with more than 64 entrants with the option to skip all battles until the next one that involves a human player, and the ability to make rounds more than single elimination (I’d say up to five out of nine). Had a lot of thoughts on Smash, my apologies for the rambling.
God that irritates me so much "stop playing tf2 because it's old and you should move on to generic hero/moba shooters" like why tf do they care if we play old games for so long? I'm not going to switch to deadlock like some of these idiots want, even if I did what would they get out of it? Just so the can be like "yes I converted him"? And again, why do people single out tf2 players, but not wow players, lol players or roblox players? Those games are just as old. I've played mobas for about 5 minutes and was bored with them immediately, how are they popular?
@@fortynights1513 I definitely agree every smash game has its own charm, especially when it comes to the single player content. I loved subspace in brawl but I definitely think that the most special parts of melee are the unintended ones that allow the game to be this insane infinite depth machine that it is today. I do agree that modern games do get written off by players sometimes because there’s still plenty of modern gems coming out like Ultrakill, Baulders Gate 3 and pretty much anything coming from Fromsoft but a lot of multiplayer games in particular seem to have trended in a direction where there’s a lot less creative potential baked into the gameplay. Also yeah Tf2 is a 12v12 class based shooter primarily. You can play against CPU’s but they aren’t really representative of the core experience. There’s also a wave defense mode that’s pretty alright but is mainly for micro transaction side of the game. Honestly the best way to experience the game is to just hop in and play, it’s not a comp focused game so a decent portion of lobbies are pretty chill and mostly have people playing their own way having fun which is honestly one of the biggest differences between it and a lot of modern shooters
@@ShadeAnrisThat’s all fair to say. To clarify with Melee, I’m not a competitive player or anything, but I do sometimes play single player classic, adventure, or all-star and try to get the highest score I can on the difficulties I play. So that’s why the bonus syatem that game has is really cool to me. If anything giving players the options for all five base types of match (time, stock, coin, bonus, and stamina) would be awesome. One other thing: No knock on Team Fortress 2, or MOBA’s, but there’s one potential issue I see with games that have a significant online component like those: As I like to call it, posterity. The issue I see with these games is if the game does fall out of popularity at some point and its player base goes way down, and years down the line if someone looks it up and tries to play the game, they won’t get the same experience as someone who would have played the game when it initially was released. If the game is online then a significant part of the experience is playing with other people online, and if we reach a point where few people play a game online then the experience of someone playing the game would be different and likely worse.
You got to look at the failures of the community too and how apathetic it more than likely makes valve. Community servers are all but dead and old games becoming bot infested is the eventual outcome when it comes to online games. However old games like quake 3 and counter strike source get around this by having a small community that can self filter cheaters via community servers. For whatever reason tf2 players refuse to touch anything other than casual. Which without bots is still awful. The death of community servers after meet your match was the reason why I stopped playing religiously. It is bs the valve is not maintaining the game while they are still monetizing the game
@@unitmikey7 quickplay was horrible, just play community instead of begging for casual to be removed and it only be community, no one is forcing you to play casual
@@kylemason2836 tf2 players love to talk down about valve being bad when the community has screwed itself and lost its trust in valve after the invasion update fiasco
@@sansanimzisnotrealanymoreYeah lemme play some shitty bastardized pseudo-version of TF2 with class limits and no random crits and other retarded restrictions with the exact same map rotation as casual, because that's exactly like the quickplay experience I'm missing. Idiot.
That is because the league has way more players and is the big money maker for Riot, with Valorant closely behind Valve On the other hand, CS GO, Dota 2, and fucking Steam TF2 must make pennies in comparison, and the playerbase is mostly iddle bots and some whales that will spend money no matter what, so why bother?.
It's extremely sad to see how many in real life npcs there are that are willing to be used like a flesh light by these gaming companies for their money every year without getting anything real in return.
I swear the gaming landscape has changed, idk how it became acceptable for valve to just ignore their fans (tf2 in particular) but this wouldn't happen 10 years ago. "Valve doesn't have to listen to you guys if they don't want to!" Bullshit, they should be listening to their fans when they complain, not just tf2 fans. It's so irritating how apparently the company is more important than the consumers now, if the situation were reversed and dota 2 was being ignored, we would never stop hearing about it. I know I'm repeating this for the umpteenth time. but if anyone else was making this game no one would care about it and fewer people would be defending it, I'm sure if VALVe slapped their logo onto Concord they would defend it too.
@@d0ct0rz3d4That’s easy. Many of the gamers nowadays weren’t there to experience the glory days of gaming because they don’t have the cultural context because they either weren’t born yet or they got into gaming later in life.
I think the problem with some people is they have no self-awareness of their own biases believing only their opinions matter or believing most people have same opinions despite never interact with them for confirmation or understanding.
"The game is old" is not an excuse, people are working on Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 to bring it to modern standards for performance, and someone made Super Mario 64's once canned multiplayer mode and made it technically playable on original hardware. Those games are way older than TF2.
Yeah, we should all be talking about how great deadlock is! I agree it's really really good! I'm excited to spend tons of money on the skins and grinding in comp for those precious elo points. And the community for the game will be so welcoming and won't treat new players like dogshit.
Remember you can still play games as old as 20 years old as Quake, Doom and Unreal Tournament through dedicated servers, with even their original printed physical copies or though the 7 seas and none of these games have recieved any update from their companies in years, their communitites are alive and they did not enabled any monetization or any secondhand market like Blizzard in their in their games so that they can pretend that the company still cares about them.
The visuals at 19:50 are really cool! Smooth, very clear, and perfectly fitting. Its a nice break from the still images and related stock videos (not that there's anything wrong with em) A lot of effort went into this and feels a lot more than just a rant. Good stuff!
My issue with TF2 is that its community has been "rotting" for a long time. Sure they make game alive at some extent, but the biggest problem is that most of TF2 players currently are like you mentioned "Tourists" (people who never played it in early days or had a little taste before the malice that was Meat Your Match update) which means they never experienced how TF2 good was along with its artstyle, matchmaking and most importantly interaction. This simply is a reason why I see so many violationa regarding artstyle and map development which all of it is made by community and as expected it fails to provide results since most OGs know what a cristalline fuckness was End of The Line Update. You ask me why Valve let's community do this violations since those "seasonal updates"? Its because they don't fucking care and do bare minimum to provide any support for it (Bot crisis and their negligence is enough to prove it) and in consenquence they keep it only for money, which explains why standards of TF2 are being lowered with every single day (note the fact that idle bots still are an majority of TF2 playerbase lmfao). This simply explains a little bit why TF2 community has really poor integrity where most players can't do anything on their own such as : -Fighting with your own wallet (TF2Tubers/big figures of TF2 and TF2 "socials" still have massive trouble with adressing core problems and giving solutions to them which is fucking ridiculous). -Not being afraid to criticize certain mechanic, item, map or hat that doesn't belong to game itself that just fucking sucks and destroys the whole game climate. -Gatekeeping from people who want to destroy TF2 art, gameplay, style and replace it with some awful, forgetable pop-culture references and fortnite-like wacky, tacky garbage (Yes TF2E im looking at you) And more things that first players of TF2 would call for action immediately. Unfortunately many OGs that played this game are gone since they left it a long time ago, because Valve fucked up its "neato update" by pushing TF2 into dogshit competitive hellscape that died very quickly, because its definitely not like TF2 was ever meant to be competitive game, since the massive majority of players have been (still they are) playing for fun/casually. This means TF2 is changing, but for the worse, along with the standards that kept this game more alive and afloat are eroding and being replaced by standards that slowly, but efficently destroys the whole spirit of TF2. In conclusion i have to say : TF2 survived its times, but its community didn't.
I'm glad I was able to play this game in 2008 and onward until End of the Line got released. After EOTL was released, I saw the death of many community servers which caused me play less of TF2.
Dont forget the fact they also put some "political" messages to their items which was not necessary. And the fact some people defending this and saying there should be more messages like that makes me question if those people really cares about games artstyle and gatekeeping the game.
*Team Fortress 2 on Xbox Series X runs at 60fps on modded servers in it's original 2007 glory. Pick up an orange box disc today & enjoy the purest form of TF2 !*
27:13 It's not. I've yet to hear anyone actually say this. Maybe some people trolling you on Twitter say it, but it's absolutely not the general consensus. I understand there are some people out there that actually think this, but most people generally feel at least sympathetic towards the TF2 community, since a corporation mistreating it's game and the community around it is something that everyone in gaming can relate to at this point.
Yea if a company is making millions in revenue from a player base annually. It’s probably a smart financial decision to invest money to keep that your player base happy to keep the revenue stream coming through. I don’t think it’s that hard of a concept to grasp.
The main issue that comes with TF2 is an issue as old as time, you had a great team that created an IP and game and carried that weight as far as it could go before moving onto other projects and companies and now you're left with a product that nobody wants to work on because "Sustainment" doesn't lead to promotions or bonuses in the Programming world. Nobody WANTS to go though 20 year old code and dig through relics that a single space could crash the application. It's Spahgetti Code, and worse, it's cold spaghetti code. Thus the push for NEON PRIME or whatever the new game is. Valve IS a corporation after all, and corporations look after profit.
That would be a valid point... If valve was a small company. But they have so much money they could easily hire 3-5 top tier engineers to rummage through the code and find new ways to stop the bots forever. They have proven this two times now with the 2022 3-4 month bot resolve and now this year's bot resolve. There is no logic explaining why valve does not continue to do the bare minimum to keep the game functional. The money they would spend to keep the bots out would barely make a dent in their yearly earnings mah boi. Plus with the prestige the valve name carries, plenty of engineers would take the job to work with them no matter what.
TF2 is a gaming treasure and deserves to be maintained as such. I’m glad that the game I put the single most amount of time into is finally getting maintained once more, and I genuinely hope it goes on to entertain a new generation of players.
Imagine if football was ruined somehow and all football fans were just told "just go play/watch baseball instead" while NFL merchandise was actively sold and new stuff was made
Except TF2 is a free game.
@@pootispiker2866 so is watching and playing football usually
@pootispiker2866 watching the Patriots game on TV is "free" too
I have a hunch that alot of the "problems" in terminal-stage-capitalism would magically disappear overnight if "mandatory refunds" became a thing. This speaks to not just TF2, not just digital software, but almost every single form financial customer-business transaction...
football fans actually go outside
This is the closest we'll ever get to a 'Never Ever' on Team Fortress 2, and honestly?
It was worth the wait.
how do you know we won't get a never ever
I still want a TF2 "Never Ever", though
They will never ever make Heavy update
We will never ever get another Never Ever video
“There will Never Ever be a youtuber like EmpLemon again”
Sure he isn't talkin about Titanfall 2
At least not yet, although I hope he does.
Titanfall 2 is such a great game.
Great story.
Great acting.
Great characters.
Great villains.
Great soundtrack.
Great guns.
Great Titans.
Great levels.
@@justaguyonyoutube4592titanfall 2 glazing session? sign me up
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 and then ruined by Apex.
I miss BT bros.
Both? both. both is good
Titanfall is one of the weirdest things to me because it's a game that like... once the first one died, everybody was talking about how great it was and all this stuff. They somehow get a sequel and the exact same thing happens to that game, but people say that 2 was even BETTER than the first and that it's like the best FPS of all time.
Sorry, but when your game fails twice to capture an audience, idk what to tell you.
TF2 is old bro you should just move on to a newer better game like generic 5v5 comp hero shooter #45
This comment is gonna age poorly when generic 5v5 comp hero shooter #46 releases
TheFartShow I'm such a big fan!!
Had me in the first half, ngl.
oil up lil bro
Sure buddy, save it for the judges.
Last time we gave em some slack, we got 7 years of neglect
You mean the collective outrage after MyM?
@@Artician im talking us giving them slack after Blue Moon
@@ArticianAlso the backlash on MYM was small and most people left or became apathetic. Fixtf2 got over 40k negative reviews in one week when MYM got under 2k in full month. All i am saying, now we know better and i just wish we held them accountable earlier. If we actually pulled fixtf2 for MYM. tf2 could been in a better state and maybe we still been receiving updates.
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response?
Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
@@BeastlyMussel61 we need to keep pestering valve even though they banned bots, while that was a step in the right direction, we need to keep the pressure on them.
Hearing TF2 being called a "Hero Shooter" gives me whiplash
The future is now old man (also hi Whomobile)
Same
@@dodsonboys hi
TF2 being called a hero shooter is like calling an ATOMIC BOMB cute.
@@ag-workshop Atom bombs are pretty cute tbh
I think another thing to add to the problem is how some TF2 fans are too quick to say "Valve fixed TF2" when a new fix update comes out.
It won't take long for Bot hosters to find a workaround and we see more sniperbots, but hey guys we got the MF DOOM hat!
The game needs constant support not a glance and bandaid solution
literally, this is similar shit to that one big summer update
hey guys, we fixed the bots for an unknowable time, but check this out also!!! they added MF DOOM hat and gordon freeman to tf2!!!! just like the seal!!! remember???
i love this game but it seems like half this community has the attention span of toddlers and gets distracted by jingling keys in their face vs actually holding valve accountable, now that the summer update dropped, its gonna be easy for valve to just never give tf2 an update ever again because all organized movement is stopped entirely when a new hat crate comes around
It’s literally redditors that started playing in 2020 and don’t know any better
@@SuperDuperSebNo it is also the Twitter users.
"it won't take long" it's been over a month now. how long is long?
The only way to actually fix tf2 is to revert meet your match.
The kinda people who say "just play a new game" are the kinda people to buy an EA sports game, open hundreds of dollars worth of lootboxes, then next year buy the new version where none of their microtransactions carry over.
Mann Co Suply Crate are definetely not lootboxes, no...not at all.
@@thatguynobodywants3716 No one said they weren't. TF2 is a pioneer in the lootbox industry. I'm just poking fun at the kind of person who views their favorite games as dispoable, yet still spend hundreds on the lootboxes like addicts.
@@thatguynobodywants3716 Of course it was a Sonic fan who can't read 😅
holy shit this is so braindead I can't believe you typed that, like seriously this is the EXACT opposite that people want, when we say "play something else" we mean STOP SUPPORTING VALVE, STOP BUYING TF2 LOOTBOXES, STOP UBYING COSMETICS. ITS NOT THAT HARD TO COMPREHEND IS IT??
@thatguynobodywants3716 man, really living up to your user name, huh?
Fun fact: the closest clone of tf2 we ever had was “plants vs zombies: garden warfare”. It have payload and you can play multiple classes that also have multiple different abilities also cosmetics options. For example: peashooter haves the plasma pea with a different shooting mechanics and different stats
Too bad that has similar problems with cheaters last time i played, it was so bad cheaters could lock you out of multiplayer permanently…at least for GW2
Kinda TF2 but with PVZ
garden warfare two is so much fun to revist and play. It really was the closest thing we got to a tf2 clone but also managed to be good and still hold up today. tho I do believe its sadly facing the same cheating problems like tf2.
Are you forgetting Super Monday Night Combat?
"back in the day" when I couldn't play Tf2 (due to old laptop and the bots) when I saw OW my first reaction was "wow this is TF2 but worse" Also Overwatch is only relevant due to porn and that's hilarious (I Said all that because I Thought OW was a TF2 Clone but like I Said in bad IMO)
TF2 deserves a Never ever. But I'll take this
fr if theres anything that should bring that series back, its TF2
Yea that'd be great especially one focusing on the comp scene :)
@@voxtec7 then it would just be never ever grant vincent edition XD.
Competitive and TF2 is so incongruent. Like how valve thought the game where the whole server stops fighting and follows the heavy off a cliff would be fitting for competitive mode still boggles my mind to this day whenever I think of TF2
@@voxtec7please god no
These people will go insane when Counter Strike ends up suffering the same fate
It's already starting to. Valve hasn't done anything with CS2 as of recent.
Nobody cares about Valve's other games though, it's all about Team Fortress 2 apparently.
Valve will be fucked, if something as mainstream as CS, goes to hell
@@vintagememelord8168 valve has steam, they could abandon every game they have and still would make a lot of cash
@@vintagememelord8168 not really. CSGO is about 7% of Valve's income
@@DaRealBruner we're not saying that, It might sound like that since all you're seeing is fixtf2 videos, but there are also counter strike videos talking about valve's negligence.
we're entitled to a functional game as much as a car owner is entitled to a functional car
Except not every car is 16 years old and functional, and needs replaced. I think you are vastly overestimating who you are.
@@pootispiker2866As long as they keep adding micro transactions to the game it's their job to keep it playable, simple as.
Not really the analogy that fits here, you own the car, you have the right to fix and upgrade it, it's more your responsibility.
TF2 is Valve's responsibility to look after, not the players.
@@pootispiker2866 Why would you like to change your old classic car to something new? As long as people are interested in it, it will keep its price.
@@norne9 then why are tf2 players still buying cosmetics? hello? vote with wallets doesnt exist?
I’m okay with never getting major updates again like we used to, they’ve moved on to other things, that’s cool. I just want the game to be maintained in a playable state, and as of the past month, they’ve actually been doing the well.
Solving the bot issue isn’t simple, and while we don’t know exactly how they’ve done it (which is a good thing) it’s safe to assume that it took a good amount of time to develop. As long as they keep on top of it, I’m happy.
I also find it really funny how a bunch of people started going off that we’re just whining and nothing will happen, someone even used my thumbnail in one of their memes for it. But now we can point and laugh at the fools they made out of themselves.
I'm frustrated by Valve, I won't lie. But I think they're the only major company I still kinda respect as a whole? I think there's more room for improvement, surely, but they're not a big company (upwards of 300 people, I believe), it's not easy to manage, I'd imagine. I wish them the best, I really do.
We won't leave TF2. we have put HARD CASH into the machine and we won't leave. WE WANT HELP WITH OUR PROBLEM
@@Viper-ft3tk about 200 ppl
A fundamental issue that will always haunt gaming is cheaters, and you can only do so much against cheaters when they first arrive.
However what valve let happen was incredibly negligent and they don't really bother enforcing their rules on VAC until now. We need to hold ALL games to a better standard.
nice job not paying attention. they were paying more attention than anyone else, and that is the ONLY reason this update did anything at all.
i don't think you understand how hard it is to police a game where you can make infinite free accounts, this could happen to any game, only people who play valve games have the amount of autism required to ruin this game. Not to mention the fact that the games source was leaked, for all you "giving to the community folx" that and the fact that people were obsessed enough to make public bot hosting clients in order to ruin the game. Valve did what they could have, they did so extremely thoroughly and in fact were rushed into their solution, thankfully it seems to have worked, them communicating would serve to have the bothosters work around their solution.
or you can do what most companies nowdays do which is make a kernel virus to destroy people's hardware and wiretap their OS, while not actually solving cheating...
There is a permanent solution... player handled moderation, where players are required to moderate games. But in a way it's the nuclear option
literally just use community servers with a janny casual is TRASH!
TF2 is a relic from a bygone era of the internet that is hard to find these days in any other online space and its why I love it
bro what
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chat gpt
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response?
Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
What is bygone about Team Fortress 2 with regards to the internet?
Also will there ever be a Team Fortress 3?
if minecraft had a similar problem that made it unplayable i doubt anyone would've been against "FixMinecraft"
Minecraft was ruined when they added sprinting has not been good since.
While not a "fix Minecraft" movement, people in Minecraft wish for impossible uptades and features to this day thinking it will fix the game
when the fundamentals of the game (survival) is broken, they fight against one another making a nothing game, when you think this happened is up to you because each uptade seems to just add to this
That's why people play only in servers, old versions or only modded
How many people call Mojang lazy?
Minecraft of course as advantages of giving the players options to going to past versions and even playing online on said versions but so weird right?
Also java exist and just sad
It’s been terrible after the aquatic update
Modders would've just made a patch themselves.
If that happened I would just playing minecraft and buying merchandise of it.
Why are the Simpsons green?
It’s a way to trick the copyright bots into not flagging the video
It's from back when he did YTPs and he made the Simpsons Green. And what the other guy said about tricking the copyright bots
@@bfaproductions7121 Ik. I was joking
@@EggEnjoyer They both had the joke sail over their heads, lol. "Y are seempson green!?" is a running joke with EmpLemon fans lol
@@fearlesswee5036 fr. It’s like they have enough knowledge to know why they’re green but not enough to be familiar with this joke
volvo pls fix
Pls pls
this is hellarious
"Are the vasts majority of Game consumers just battered housewives that will fork over money no matter what?"
Yes. Unironically Yes.
Not me, I mostly play either older stuff or indie shit these days. But the vast majority of gamers are just brainlet consoomers, unfortunately.
slow in the mind
Because they have no soul, nothing going on in their life so they have to define their very identity by buying games.
Not even playing games, just buying them and left it in their account to collect dust.
@@kail4997 Consoomers have been a plague on all art mediums; this affects movies, games, just about everything. People who have no personality beyond their brand loyalties, and mindlessly consoom "next product", meaning companies don't have to try anymore because they know their users will eat it up regardless of quality purely because it is from [BRAND].
Pretty much yeah. Gamers are basically just glorified gambling addicts.
Would you be open to playing some of the games they do now, years down the line for cheap?
Bots getting banned is great and all but it should have been done like 4 years ago. Valve doesn't deserve to be fellated for finally getting off their asses to do the bare minimum that makes their game actually playable.
I give them a "better than nothing" seal of approval rather than full-on compliment.
Atleast it had been done even if it took the janitor that long ( Probably because of source spagheti or something)
Mind you that they still have all f2p unable to use chat, voicechat and even voicelines
@@josecriollo6976 womp womp
@@sansanimzisnotrealanymore yes I will womp womp and shit my pants because bots have a way to bypass that limitation making the f2p players the only disadvantaged
My issue is that TF2 is stuck in this weird limbo state where its not dead or alive, I would be cool if Valve just officially stopped supporting TF2. It would be one of those old boomer shooters with the same 40 good players. But they are still selling keys and such while the quality of the game is still awful.
Basically this. I go as far to say Valve is in this strange limbo state where because of their sheer laziness, they haven't done anything good for us. But at the same time, they are so lazy they don't try to scam their players with shitty tie-ins and other things like that. Instead they just make the workshop and we do all the work for them.
They won't ever shut it down because if suddenly hundreds of items on the community market are suddenly useless it would fucking obliterate the economy from panic of people realizing that they are just 1s and 0s
They won't ever shut it down because if suddenly hundreds of items on the community market are suddenly useless it would obliterate the economy from panic
@@redline841 The change to Dust2 with the Boost Box on CT side where you once had to coordinate, now leads to an over-rotation and is causing some uproar. I don't like it personally since it leads to an over-rotation of CT to mid.
I remember way back where Gabe said in a press conference if TF2 were to ever go under he'd release the game with everything that was available for that time (Cosmetics, weapons, official maps, etc.). Unfortunately this was around 2010-2011 so you can unfortunately see the monster this game has become.
In this day and age, merely being "annoying" is a cardinal sin.
People say how tf2 fans are a problem, then speak absolutely wicked things over a minor inconvenience. They might as well just wish death upon them. And quite frankly, if you wish death upon people from the slightest inconvenience - the problem lies within you and your own temper. Not the mildly annoying people.
People probably are so misinformed on the matter because Internet is enough of a shitstorm with constant drama, that no one even bothers to keep up with each one(it will drive you insane). Or alternatively something, something, peeps today are soft. something, something, i don't know.
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response?
Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
Why tf do people have a problem with people enjoying a 17 year old game that's better than most recent garbage?we're not going to move on to deadlock.
Ur dumb
@@d0ct0rz3d4 because people don't like it when an issue isn't about them. They don't have the critical thinking skills that one thing can always be connected to another.
@@dogeprissy9850 have you tried asking the ones in this comment section about the flaws of deadlock? I can think of 3 off the top of my head. 1. Heroes with ridiculously high hp. 2. Long respawn times depending on if you or your team is doing poorly and 3. You're unable to switch heroes midgame, this will definitely be a problem for those who cone in late game and accidentally pick a hero they don't like. They usually tell me that those issues are fine because it's a moba, even though it's going to try to appeal to valve's shooter audience too. Oh and as a 4th bonus, there are already cheaters in the game, their response to that "well there's always gonna be cheaters so there's nothing we can do"....
20:00 When I bought Rainbow 6 I did not expect the game to turn into fortnite splatoon battle pass royale. I went back to TF2 precisely because its the old kind of game that just doesnt change and doesnt pretend like its something else, I want to have fun not stress out and get this unempathetic "just play newer product" garbo
Nobody ever talks about this for siege. Agree.
Facts i miss old siege. They ruined all of the old maps (except kanal that change wasnt bad) also clubhouse
Wich is why Valve shouldn't give Tf2 major updates. At best they will introduce more bugs , at worst Tf2 will suffer the same fate as Siege
You are the ONLY other person (that I've seen so far) say this. The issue isn't that Valve "neglects" TF2. The game is 17 years old. The issue is that they milk money out of it by leveraging a small private cabal of Discord freaks who have completely captured the TF2 Workshop and have a full monopoly of it to make crap items to extract as much money as possible with zero regard for quality and THEN neglect TF2.
If TF2 was left in the same state it was in around 2014-2016, maybe had a few EOL bugfix updates, maybe one or two weapon balance changes (Vaccinator, Wranlger) to clean it up and was left as a complete well rounded product...Then I wouldn't have any further complaints for a game this old.
Sure we have ONE contracted developer who has pushed some community fixes and wizardry from the likes of Mastercoms and Sigsegv however it seems as if a lot of content is off the table. No new weapons, no weapon balances. Purely fixes to keep the game running which feels very much like a sunsetting/emergency life support. Also something that is rarely mentioned, his contract could just not be renewed at any time Valve wants.
Lemme guess, the other one was Zesty-"noone wants to publicly agree with him"-Jesus
@@eisgnom7383 no the other is me
spooky
Valve is against treadmill work, but what job isn’t treadmill work? They need to maintain the product or hand custody to someone else.
existing is treadmill work. one day valve hq will be empty when the employees realize this and decide to stop existing
Gabe is against treadmills
"Go play another game"
What game? What game is like tf2? Overslop? No, I like shooters, not MOBAs disguised as shooters
@@achair7958 Why not Borderlands? Or COD? Wait I forgot TF2 fans hate that one... one sec...
Superhot, that Dino game that RUclipsrs love for some reason (not the browser game), Halo (preferrably the older ones), Farcry, Crysis, Splitgate 2, Titanfall 2... there are other options in the shooter realm if thats what yer into...
Why does the linear option always have to be OW?
All the games you mentioned doesn't play like TF2, the closest a game got to the exact same style was Overwatch and even then that game is no longer cool to play.
@@SammEater But he asked for shooters. So I gave him shooters.
If he somehow isnt even vaguely interested, then thats outta my hands, lost cause.
@@SammEater the problem of overwatch is the sequel didnt work well across the months
most of the content is locked by a battlepass, most of the challenge skin earned by playing the game are now selled in the shop
and the whole reason to make a 2 is continue the pve and the game go went from bad to worse (most of the developers team being fired and other ones being done n dust because most of the controversies and sins has been revealed before)
then 6 vs 6 is going back and overwatch fans are in constant reject and mald bc all the 5 vs 5 concept aged so bad
like milk.
@@kyperactiveGive me a 12v12 casual class shooter still active to this day.
Imagine if you were an avid TV watcher and then someone just came along and started unplugging your TV over and over and then called you entitled for wanting to watch TV
You’d be pissed off, right?
Bro as a public television viewer, this would piss me off a lot imagine if that person told me to watch comushal station a wud rather end up misimformed on internet then that.
Imagine if you gave a bunch of people TVs for free and a decade later everyone brought them all back to you broken and told you that you were obligated to fix them. You'd rightfully think they were a bunch if entitled children, right?
@@DimentiosLoyalest i'd probably fix them because i'm getting a LOT of money from them having these free tvs due to them bying non-required extras and fixing them would likely mean even more money in the future
@@Yuti640 And yet they're still buying said extras whilst the TVs are 'broken'.
@@DimentiosLoyalestit's more like you installed a bomb in everyone's TV as a manufacturer then get upset in a few years after they all go off and everyone demands a refund.
if only other game community's were just as vocal about continuing to support games just as old to show game dev shareholders that we want og game design
Can we talk about how each time EmpLemon's computer appears, a new sticker appears
I cant stop thinking how Overwatch was completely ripped away from the consumers. I loved that game, and it sucks now.
Well we have ow2 now…and now they’re talking about bringing 6v6 back??
The physical copy of OW1 sits on my shelf collecting dust as an eternal memento never to trust these big corpos.
@@desko2041hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
@@desko2041imagine even touching that, broken promise after broken promise.
@@desko2041ow2 was so bad that they’re going back to ow1
I recommend everyone check out Ross Scott and his "stop killing games" campaign that is going on right now. It seems to be right on topic with preventing games from becoming unplayable in the future.
That's a bit of a separate issue. The problem that Stop Killing Games is trying to address is live service games where the publishers give up on the game and pull the plug on it despite the fact their servers are the only way to actually play the game, more-or-less taking the product away from you after you bought it, which for anything else other than gaming would be deemed illegal.
TF2 actually *has* community servers already - good ones too - so even if Valve were to cut support right now, the game would still be playable to some degree regardless, so it isn't included in the movement. In other words: This isn't the game being killed, this is the game being neglected. Big difference
@@Crigence that's true but it is still an issue brought up by emp in the video, so i figured it important to mention it.
Finally! The day has come where EmpLemon makes a TF2 video
This is not emplemon
This is downward diary
Its an impersonator
What's really wild about the bot problem is that aimbots are a tiny minority of the total number of bots on TF2. There are literally thousands upon thousands of bots whose entire purpose is to exploit TF2's random loot drops, with bot farmers having hundreds of them idling on servers at a time (using a text-only version of TF2 that uses very little computing power) and selling off the crates and items they farm.
But muh 100k players
And about cheaters, aimbots aren't the only kind of cheaters, there are plenty of closet cheaters that manage to hide it well, and because of that can get away with it in community servers. IMO those cheaters are worse because of that.
I don't get how I'm supposed to excited for deadlock if the 2 other online game valve has created are turned into spin-bot paradise
Because... reasons.
It would undermine my faith in the longevity of Newer games, if Valve is on the ball for the likes of CS and TF2
“Just spend you time on something worse”
“Why do you have to enjoy the things so much”
“Why are you cleaning the dust off the painting and re oiling it, you know there are people making new paintings right?”
When i see TF2 go viral I get sad because Titanfall 2 (also TF2) got shafted in similar ways
What, you don't like how Apex murdered the lore and vomited out the excuse that it's "20 years into the future" so everything you cared about it is gone in a text crawl?
I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. And I doubt Titanfall 3 will be little more than average.
We're entitled to an update
If you want the bots removed and for anti-cheat to be improved, that's completely fair. Those need to be fixed in an always-online game and are essential for the game to be playable.
For content updates though, people really need to branch out. Want more TF2? Play TF2 classic. Or Open Fortress. Actually support mods and creators that WANT to give you more TF2 instead of running to VALVe who doesn't care about you.
I mean yeah, it’s been so long since the last update.
But knowing Valve, at least the modern one that is, I’m not sure that’ll ever happen.
When you leave a comment before watching the video
If you mean an update that fixes the anti-cheat or removes the bots, then absolutely. Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to exist in an always-online game.
If you mean a content update, then you need to look to TF2 Classic. Or Open Fortress. Or anything other than the massive megacorporation that doesn't give a shit. There's independent modders and creators trying to make more TF2.
@@Mika-gu7om 🗿
15:00 "None of these things apply to TF2" That's a blatant lie. The microtransaction in TF2 is predatory business practice and not just light microtransaction. We're talking about the heavy one, the ones that contain loot boxes which is even greedier then just having purchasable cosmetics.
to be fair, most people don’t use the mann co store and you can typically sell off your items when you decide it’s time to call it quits (unless you’re a cheater and get banned)
People will say: “Just play another game.” then come out with: “Man, Gaming has kinda died huh.”
Also you are 100% correct about “Gaming Tourists” and “Gaming Residents”. Some people just boot up games to simply “blow off steam” (In the dopamine-mining blow-shit-up sense.)
Mfer doubled down on wanting people to grind out 9-5s on a game they got over.
Old School Runescape has proven that a game no matter how graphically simple can literally last forever and be vastly superior to most modern titles. Companies would love to have the dedication OSRS/TF2 have. Valve could update TF2 forever or just pull a Counter Strike 2 and just roll the game into Source 2. It's bizarre that Valve would just completely abandon the whole thing.
Even as someone who doesn’t play PC games or TF2, I know that TF2 players aren’t entitled on the basic fact that all they are asking is for Valve to put some care into a game that so many people still love. Even if it has been addressed, the fact it got to this point is embarrassing. It’s getting close to 20 years of TF2 and people are still playing, making sfm or gmod vids, and loving the characters and it’s just sad that Valve really lost its priorities away from what made them great to make them neglect all of their fans and not even for a cynically logical reason either like other game publishers have.
It’s a very logical actually they’re doing the least amount of work to get the most amount of money and it’s working
@@SuperDuperSebyeah, you’re right. I feel I was referring more to it’s embarrassing how a company as big and rich as Valve allowed one of their most important games to get to the state it was in. Then again, given the current state of most of the industry, it really isn’t too surprising isn’t it. The only difference between the state of TF2 and other industry embarrassment’s is a decline due to apathy rather than poor decision making based on chasing and over saturating trends.
It's funny, I recently applied after graduating for Game Design, applied mentioning my experience with programming, and map making for the Source Engine (Showed a reskin of Dustbowl I was making, and a prototype map for another game I was making on the side), Valve responded with "we need someone with 10 years of experience" and mentioning about talent. Ironically they barely make games anymore so what is this talent being used for? (Most likely Deadlock, and something else.)
I get it, college diplomas are more closer to a toilet roll than a get-a-job tool, but still, I am willing to work on TF2, and they're just like "nah, but we hope to hear from you later on your journey" so least they were respectful about the application.
Legit, I thought they'd ghost me like other employers or how they communicate with their communities, but no, like 2/3 days after I applied they responded.
wow, they read emails.
It almost sounds like they're deliberately ignoring tf2 to the point where they won't hire people who are willing to work on the code for the game. The fuck is wrong with valve?
@@d0ct0rz3d4 No, you get it wrong. Valve is very picky when it comes to recruit. This is why Valve's employees are very few but talented. They never have internship to begin with. They could have do that and employ intern to maintain old game like TF2 or L4D2. But no, they scoop talents across the industry because they want the best of the best for themselves. This is why I'm not the biggest fan of Valve's structure. Yes, they develop the best product, they are the most pro consumer out of all game companies and they rarely fail to do what they promise. But they are too selective on who to employ, too lazy to manage talented people and let them scatter on whatever project they want. Valve's structure is the blessing and a curse. And that curse has already killed L4D2, is killing TF2 and will kill CS2. I have hope for DOTA 2 because while they might not be the biggest esport. They have Ice fucking Frog who is still passionate for DOTA 2. Minh Le is no longer in Valve so CS2's fate is on the tight rope. Robin Walker has no interest in TF2 so it's also on tight rope. I have so many frustration on how Valve works but I should stop now. This comment is already too long. I hope this explains why Valve rejected OP, and why TF2's problem is complicated than you thought.
Also as of late playing other games in the industry, I see so much mistakes that I would've never implemented with my teachings, and imagine this is why Valve is picky and strict on hiring. It's not a matter that they're assholes, just that they don't want new graduates like me coming in and changing things.
Something I learned in more recent times with reflection; the more you change or modify something for updates, the higher risk of damaging the game's structure.
If you remove elements from TF2 that previously were in the game, like the Half-Life 2 textures, it would cause errors on community made maps that used those textures.
Valve has some of the biggest communities and games that cast a massive shadow across the industry, so errors or mistakes a new member of the industry could make would ruin their products, and potentially taint Steam's reputation for that matter as well.
I agree so hard with the “treadmill work” comment. I was shocked to see so many people agree with them, but THAT’S WHAT FUCKING WORK IS DIPSHIT. WORKING ON MAINTAINING YOUR GAME IS THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM. I cannot believe how tone deaf that company is
I can't believe there are actually people here who support valve refusing to work on their games like "if valve doesn't want to they don't have to" mf they should be listening to their customers!
Honestly, if a company is still happily profiting from a game, they should be obligated to provide the bare minimal in keeping it at least functional, are TF2 players entitled? they certainly are entitled for something that basic.
I love TF2 but the ineptitude of Valve on doing even this had me selling the majority of my backpack as for me the writing was on the wall.
There I am Gary, There I am! 1:46
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honestly part of the reason why bot crisis happened in the first place was the weird limbo state tf2 is in
the tools to pull off the bot crisis already existed years beforehand
that point before the bot waves was the point that hope was lost in tf2s future
and whats left is a feeling of hopeless and ennui
and whats to say that things will even get better considering the status quo?
last standing bastion of the paradise that was arena shooters, a bit of entitlement is necessary to keep the fire alive
They're not entitled. The 99% of TF2 players are uneducated. TF2 players decided to review bomb a game ONLY after 4 years of a company not fixing a good/service they WILLINGLY CONTINUED to give an unfixed good/service more money. Then they cried "boycott tf2", and guess what happene RIGHT AFTER Valve just made an.. okay update after the FixTf2 'movement'? The Slacktivists gave the company MORE MONEY after an update for useless cosemetics, LITERALLY right after. So let me get this straight, you only boycott after a certain period; then forget anything bad ever happened after 1 mediocre response?
Your actions have consequences, facts do not care about your feelings. This is not a boycott. A boycott occurs when EVERY SINGLE HUMAN acts conformingly, and refuses to buy a good/service due to a need/want for the good/service but rhe quality is too sub-par and the company doesn't feel the need to compete. The TF2 community failed literally right at the "conformingly, refuses to buy" said good/service... because they just gave it money right after a mediocre update. This is not a boycott, this is Slacktivism.
The “move on to a new game” people are so bizarre. It’s like simultaneously a purposefully contrarian point and a consoomer soy argument. I haven’t seen it said in a genuine way, pretty much only said to sew anger into the discussion, and it’s also like “what you don’t wanna spend 70 dollars on new game? Maybe consoom more will make you happy”
Imagine a family of four being displaced because their house is being demolished and you say “just make a new one chuds” because this won’t affect you at all. Literal basement dwelling-cheeto huffing-nothing to lose in life behaviour
@@fungi5591 yeah exactly. The inability to have any empathy for someone else. Repugnant
The whole "dis game is old bruh, let it die" argument is both stupid and frustrating at the same time, plenty of games that are older or almost as old as tf2 still get updated (LOL, Minecraft and Roblox) and it also shows disrespect for old games.
perfect upload time, i was just about to eat dinner. Thanks Emp, for another downward day
The tourists who insist you just find a different game are simply unable to relate to having a thing you like taken away because they're dispassionate about games. They simply go with the last thing they played is the thing they like the most, then play something else and repeat it. It's why they'll defend games like Concord or Deadlock; they have no ability or even desire to compare those games to other games. Combined with their intense hatred of 'gamers' in general, their complete lack of passion or ambition means they'll fight tooth and nail to defend games that are mediocre simply because they enjoy it and they like it makes you mad.
nerd
@@snurly always have been
@@testadmin rat
@@snurly cool🗿
@@snurly stickler
Gabber opened my eyes, things are still bad
Woah a gabber the yapper fan ? You and me bud
@@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475gabber won
Even if quickplay was brought back and was better than ever, the complaining would never stop
@@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475 Tbh no matter what you think about the guy his video on matchmaking was spot on, almost forgot how bad things got because quickplay was removed it's just fucking sad
dude is annoying and dogmatic but his quickplay video was good
dont forget that the guy who wrote the TF2 comics confirmed that the final comic is actually being worked on as well
The game inspired a comic? That’s cool
@fortynights1513 well, the comics were actually commissioned by Valve themselves to kinda add more to the lore of the game and create a story to add to each of the major updates they released. Each update had its own theme so the comic kinda added backstory to the changes the updates made and they are free on the TF2 website to boot
I saw that, makes me happy considering how long i waited for the last comic, I remember when jungle inferno happened that was so long ago
Games like TF2 and DRG have the staying power because it's ideal for 'hanging out' with your pals after work. The community is what keeps it alive and it's not something a game can just acquire
Just like G-Mod, the community is key to keep players together
Short answer: Yes.
Less short answer: Players are entitled to a smooth experience if they're expected to pay (for either the game itself or in the in-game shops), however, the company that runs the game is not obligated to do anything for the players, and has the choice to miss out on the revenue.
These guys however are obnoxious and continue to engage with the game (with or without purchases) despite boycotting.
*Are Madden Players entitled?
Also just because things got alot better recently in Tf2 in regards to the bot problem does not make any of the arguments presented in this video any less relevant. Just being things recently just got okay doesn't mean that the years and years of the game being non-functional disappeared. Which is why the people in the FIXtf2 movement people was still thinking of a boycott of the games products(currently am not fully aware of the progress of it but the point still stands and I have not engaged in any purchases personally.)
As someone who has never played and probably will never play TF2, there's nothing "entitled" about demanding things from giant companies for _your_ money.
Berating an individual dev or small indie team for not putting more features in their games than AAA studios can verge on it, but even in that case you're still paying money for their output. If you expect more than they can give and choose to both not give them money and express why you did so publicly, it's not like you're not offering something in exchange.
Thank you, like wtf do these people want us to do? Just shut up and let valve get away with their shit?
TF2 players are entitled but simply wanting the game to function isn't part of that. If you walk into a store and see that the massive dump somebody took in aisle 3 several years ago still hasn't been cleaned up you should ask to speak to the mangager actually. That said, the idea that any new Valve project is taking away resources from TF2 is laughable. People at Valve don't work on TF2 because they don't want to work on TF2, it's as simple as that.
Also, who is pushing MOBA's as a replacement for TF2? Are people just pretending this MOBA I've never heard anything about and looks nothing like TF2 is supposed to be Valve's TF2 killer because they're salty?
"Valve doesn't have to work on it if they don't want to!" Bullshit! If they're going to keep the game up and even release community cosmetics, taunts, creates and maps, it's their responsibility, or whoever the only person who's working on the game's responsibility to at least keep it functional if valve is gonna continue to use it for chump change.
Can't they at least hire people who know tf2's code inside and out, or want to actually fix it? While valve isn't actually killing the game, they seem to have been going out of their way to slowly kill it, like not letting new players call for medic or chat at all. Most tf2 players aren't asking for much. Since when did wanting a game to be functional become "whining"?
Telling someone to stop playing the game that they're criticising, is just like telling someone to leave the city/region/country they're criticising.
Los prisioneros - Por que no se van
That is not even close to the equivalency you're trying to make and it's funny how wrong it is.
Hey roxy. Hes right. Americans criticize their own country but the majority never move out.
@@dogeprissy9850 Your comment made me realize that I misread "region" as "religion" which made the comment seem much more ridiculous.
You don't see the argument of "just leave" when it comes to politics. Could you imagine if people started doing that?
Especially not in 1600's britain...
Now, I wonder what those people who unironically followed #killtf2 thinking about the game right now.
For me, I don't give a shit what they think and I glad the TF2 is now in playable state as it should be years ago.
>Doesnt give a shit
>Proceeds to mention them
Yeah im sure you dont.
They're likely pissed that they can't bot host anymore or their accounts got banned.
@@kyperactive acknowledging the existence of something means you give it any real consideration? idk broski
@@Photom101 ...It does?
Clearly it had to influence him enough that it was on the tip of his tongue for this comment.
He can say he's above it, but is he really? I feel someone who is above #killtf2 would not even as much as mention it, period. The opposite of love is not hate, its apathy. For his statement of not giving a shit to have weight, it shouldnt even be in his vocabulary, its that irrelevant.
@@kyperactive then y do u care so much? it just seems like a waste of time to point out something like this
Ive never played TF2-
But I know how much this game was beloved sinply because of its massive community presence.
You should play the game it gud but you can't if you don't want to kill your bank account
Sticker Progression:
00:08 None
00:50 TF2 Logo
01:55 Deadlock Logo, slashed
04:21 Living Tombstone Logo (2014~2020)
11:29 Analogue Clock (10:09, apple watch default)
15:55 Deep Rock Galactic Logo (ROCK AND STONE!)
18:35 Bonus: Bowl of fruit on the desk
19:58 Guitar Hero Logo
21:39 GameStop Logo
22:00 Contract Papers
23:14 Mann Co. Supply Crate (tf2 lootbox for those in the back)
23:25 The Orange Box Original Soundtrack Album Cover
26:16 Stick Man Running On A Treadmill
27:44 Fanmade TF3 Logo (made by se2ba4st6ia8n12 on DA)
See, this is how i feel about Yugioh.
Like Valve, Konami is slowly killing their game due to a lack of balancing, fixes or care towards their product. They do the bare minimum to keep people engaged while printing cards and archetypes that inflate the secondary market to the point where buying a competitive deck is comparable to buying a new gaming PC (i wish i was fucking with you, and moreover, these cards depreciate rapidly). And if you're a competitive player, then forget getting anything of worth for your troubles. At best, you might win a Nintendo Switch if you're lucky. Leave it to mother fucking Konami to create one of the biggest downward spirals in modern gaming (albeit not video gaming).
That being said, i do love how honest the community is. While there's still some apologists, everyone tends to be pretty open and outspoken about their opinions towards the game. Like, no one can ever really agree on shit, and it often produces a lot of fun and engaging discussions.
But yeah, being a fan of this game is just suffering. It still has plenty of high points to keep me around (I mean, hell, I'm workshopping a homebrew format at the moment), but there's often a lot of disappointment. And this is coming from someone who generally likes modern Yugioh, that's how bad the current situation is. Like, its not even a preference thing, the game is just falling apart in real time. Its a miracle that last year's DUNE/AGOV format was as good as it was, it feels like it happened completely by accident. Synchro Runick is still one of the coolest decks in this game despite everything, Joshua Schmidt is a fucking genius.
TF2 is now in a far better state. I'm glad they listened.
huh? what? when?
@@gloobamane6516 Bots and bot hosts got nuked a few weeks ago.
these ban waves happen every summer, wait a month or 2 and they'll be back. you'll see
Honestly the whole savetf2 campaign is what really made me turn on valve, the game had been a cesspool of hackers and bots for the longest time. There was so much public outcry for valve to do something. That tweet saying that they were gonna finally do something about it, they come out with another bullshit "holiday-sized update" and did fuck all after that. Thats when i turned my back on them and stopped playing tf2
the worst thing about that "holiday-sized-update" was that it was originally an "update-sized-update" which meaning, weapons and balance changes but no just regulate it to maps and cosmetics. sure one man can only do so much but should have thought thoroughly first.
@notthesharpesttool555 no I'm pretty sure that was a typo, I think it always ment to say holiday sized update
Tf2 is dying. I wish it was faster.
The Guitar Hero edit was pretty sick ngl
At this point "whining and entitled" just means someone unwilling to consoom product. Don't like the new pokemon? Shut up and be grateful a multi-billion company is continuing a franchise that continues to make them billions. Don't like the new Star Wars? Stop being entitled and racist and be grateful the billion dollar company continues to make products of the billion dollar franchise.
Hit the nail on the head. Even in this video with constructive points and valid concern for the game, people still call him entitled for wanting a functional product.
Most of the people who call others whiney and entitled usually feel like they "deserve" something from the company for buying their products. After complaining about said product on Twitter.
Like GTA fans thinking they deserve every building in GTA 6 to be enterable and the map be 3 times the size of the red dead redemption 2 map. After buying shark cards and gobbling up the same re-packaged content then complaining the game sucks for 9 years.😂😂
Hopefully next they make it so that your team doesn't end up getting filled with F2P's while the enemy team is filled with Lvl. 347 players with 5000 hours of playtime.
If you don’t like it overwatch is down the hall and to the left
bro , if you wanna be competitive , dont get in casual lobbies and normal community servers , there's litteraly platforms to host and play competitive with other try hards . We will not miss you with that attitude
@SuperDuperSeb the shower is also down the hall and to your left. I suggest you go there now.
As long as they still try to sell us keys, yes, we are entitled.
The day I stop asking for improvements in the game is the day they stop selling stuff. If they sell stuff and want to make money out of new cases, the consumers have a right to ask for a playable game
they are.
Yeah we're entitled. Entitled to have a game that at least functions.
I am more angry that Valve has no communication with their player base at all. TF2 should prove that Valve despite their creative freedom, is not competent to upkeep a live-service game. They became tourist in their own game and twisted it to that image.
They basically rebooted the game in 2016 with MeetYourMatch update, which received huge backlash. You can see this by checking the Steam Reviews of July, 2016 which was the previous record number of negative reviews before FixTF2. What they did with the complaints was to double down on their competitive revamp of the game, only doing some minor hotfixes. No thought was given for original game design and the culture built around it.
There's still a lot to fix on Valve servers but the community servers still provide the true experience how the game should be. Which is unfortunate that they choose to funnel all the new players to the mess they've created instead.
Valve doesn't listen, that's their problem.
valve’s reputation as the “good guys” of the gaming world died at least a decade ago
but 2000 hours being a lot? buddy i got 11,000 hours in crusader kings 3 alone
@@RwandaBob you are unironically a giant loser the game came out like 4 years ago. LMFAO how do you put that many hours unless you’re unemployed or have no social life? Or you’re a millionaire with no responsibilities
I'm surprised it took people this long to realize this.
@@kylemason2836He's maybe on welfare idk. I could use that 11k hrs time to learn a language or something neat
A lot of people seem to have a resentment for players who cling to older games. You see this “move on” take whenever people talk about playing anything that’s been around a long while. I see it most with Tf2 and Melee but I’ve even seen it in the Halo community towards people who play the original trilogy. I’ve never really understood why but it seems to just keep getting louder over time. It usually comes with people asserting that we only like these games because of nostalgia but for many of these games that stick around this long it’s because there’s literally nothing that offers a comparable experience. Like what do you wan a Tf2 or a Melee player to switch to??? Overwatch? Smash ultimate? These games are on a surface level similar to these old classics but once you actually start playing them you realize just how much depth and style they have that more modern games lack or even intentionally remove. People would go though the trouble of playing these old games if there wasn’t something there that’s not offered in their newer competition
As far as I’m concerned if people enjoy older games then that’s their prerogative.
I don’t think enjoying older or contemporary games in and of itself makes you any more or less of a person.
One thing I will argue though:
Even if you don’t enjoy contemporary games due to the industry now or micro transactions or what have you, some of the music tracks that are composed for video games nowadays are pretty good, and perhaps get overlooked in that discourse.
As for TF2, sounds like an interesting game but I’ve never played it.
Team shooting game I’d take it. Is there a mode to play as one player vs CPU’s? That’s one thing that most shooters lack that I would enjoy if they had.
As for Melee, I grew up with it, and it’s a really good game for what it is.
I would agree that Smash Ultimate wouldn’t exactly be a good substitute for it, in particular if you are someone who enjoys the game for the mechanical glitches that competitive players exploit.
The thing about Super Smash Bros that I would argue is that all of the games in the series have something that you can only get in that specific game (among official releases anyway) in addition to their physics engines.
The first game is the only one with Board the Platforms.
Melee is the only other with all the bonuses and the side scrolling adventure mode.
Brawl had the Subspace Emissary and had the original stage builder (which is different than those since).
Smash Bros for 3DS had Smash Run, and for Wii U had Smash Tour.
And Ultimate has Spirits and the squad strike mode, stage morphs, as well as Smashdown I believe came from there.
Everyone talks about how their ideal Smash game would have an incredibly high quantity of characters, well mine would have every feature in the series brought back into one game that I listed, the ability to practice race to the finish (all versions), and the ability to do tournaments with more than 64 entrants with the option to skip all battles until the next one that involves a human player, and the ability to make rounds more than single elimination (I’d say up to five out of nine).
Had a lot of thoughts on Smash, my apologies for the rambling.
God that irritates me so much "stop playing tf2 because it's old and you should move on to generic hero/moba shooters" like why tf do they care if we play old games for so long? I'm not going to switch to deadlock like some of these idiots want, even if I did what would they get out of it? Just so the can be like "yes I converted him"? And again, why do people single out tf2 players, but not wow players, lol players or roblox players? Those games are just as old. I've played mobas for about 5 minutes and was bored with them immediately, how are they popular?
@@fortynights1513 I definitely agree every smash game has its own charm, especially when it comes to the single player content. I loved subspace in brawl but I definitely think that the most special parts of melee are the unintended ones that allow the game to be this insane infinite depth machine that it is today. I do agree that modern games do get written off by players sometimes because there’s still plenty of modern gems coming out like Ultrakill, Baulders Gate 3 and pretty much anything coming from Fromsoft but a lot of multiplayer games in particular seem to have trended in a direction where there’s a lot less creative potential baked into the gameplay.
Also yeah Tf2 is a 12v12 class based shooter primarily. You can play against CPU’s but they aren’t really representative of the core experience. There’s also a wave defense mode that’s pretty alright but is mainly for micro transaction side of the game. Honestly the best way to experience the game is to just hop in and play, it’s not a comp focused game so a decent portion of lobbies are pretty chill and mostly have people playing their own way having fun which is honestly one of the biggest differences between it and a lot of modern shooters
@@ShadeAnrisThat’s all fair to say.
To clarify with Melee, I’m not a competitive player or anything, but I do sometimes play single player classic, adventure, or all-star and try to get the highest score I can on the difficulties I play.
So that’s why the bonus syatem that game has is really cool to me. If anything giving players the options for all five base types of match (time, stock, coin, bonus, and stamina) would be awesome.
One other thing:
No knock on Team Fortress 2, or MOBA’s, but there’s one potential issue I see with games that have a significant online component like those:
As I like to call it, posterity.
The issue I see with these games is if the game does fall out of popularity at some point and its player base goes way down, and years down the line if someone looks it up and tries to play the game, they won’t get the same experience as someone who would have played the game when it initially was released.
If the game is online then a significant part of the experience is playing with other people online, and if we reach a point where few people play a game online then the experience of someone playing the game would be different and likely worse.
@@fortynights1513yes actually, you can play against bots. They're pretty good most of the time
You got to look at the failures of the community too and how apathetic it more than likely makes valve. Community servers are all but dead and old games becoming bot infested is the eventual outcome when it comes to online games. However old games like quake 3 and counter strike source get around this by having a small community that can self filter cheaters via community servers. For whatever reason tf2 players refuse to touch anything other than casual. Which without bots is still awful. The death of community servers after meet your match was the reason why I stopped playing religiously. It is bs the valve is not maintaining the game while they are still monetizing the game
#bringbackquickplay
@@unitmikey7 quickplay was horrible, just play community instead of begging for casual to be removed and it only be community, no one is forcing you to play casual
@@kylemason2836 tf2 players love to talk down about valve being bad when the community has screwed itself and lost its trust in valve after the invasion update fiasco
@@sansanimzisnotrealanymoreYeah lemme play some shitty bastardized pseudo-version of TF2 with class limits and no random crits and other retarded restrictions with the exact same map rotation as casual, because that's exactly like the quickplay experience I'm missing. Idiot.
I would also like to point out that LoL is just 2 years younger, but if it was in an unplayable state noone would go after it for beeing old.
That is because the league has way more players and is the big money maker for Riot, with Valorant closely behind Valve On the other hand, CS GO, Dota 2, and fucking Steam TF2 must make pennies in comparison, and the playerbase is mostly iddle bots and some whales that will spend money no matter what, so why bother?.
It's extremely sad to see how many in real life npcs there are that are willing to be used like a flesh light by these gaming companies for their money every year without getting anything real in return.
I swear the gaming landscape has changed, idk how it became acceptable for valve to just ignore their fans (tf2 in particular) but this wouldn't happen 10 years ago. "Valve doesn't have to listen to you guys if they don't want to!" Bullshit, they should be listening to their fans when they complain, not just tf2 fans. It's so irritating how apparently the company is more important than the consumers now, if the situation were reversed and dota 2 was being ignored, we would never stop hearing about it. I know I'm repeating this for the umpteenth time. but if anyone else was making this game no one would care about it and fewer people would be defending it, I'm sure if VALVe slapped their logo onto Concord they would defend it too.
@@d0ct0rz3d4That’s easy. Many of the gamers nowadays weren’t there to experience the glory days of gaming because they don’t have the cultural context because they either weren’t born yet or they got into gaming later in life.
@@M0b1us_118they're also still under the impression that valve are still the good guys of gaming, yeah they're better than blizzard, but not by much.
The internet is just tired of 12 year olds making wholesome chungus TF2 memes and want them to be upset
the deadlock hate in this comment section has aged so poorly that it's actually humorous
I love hearing Emp complain about the same things I argue about with myself in the shower spitting the same points I do in my imaginary arguments
You realize there's an in-between from "gaming tourists" to "gaming residents" right? variety is the spice of life
Killtf2 has failed. That's so awesome!
I miss the times when developers were allowed to move on to new projects.
Although we got an update the bot issue is still an issue
Play and enjoy while you can. In between matches, tweet at valve. Efficiency is key.
Enough is enough, ive haaaaaaad it with these muthafuckin bots in this muthafucking game
2:00 Technically if you have any opinion, positive or negative, then you're biased. Which isn't a bad thing. But it's a moot point.
I think the problem with some people is they have no self-awareness of their own biases believing only their opinions matter or believing most people have same opinions despite never interact with them for confirmation or understanding.
@@emperorfaiz Yeah you definitely see that a lot on the internet when places like Twitter reward you for having no consideration of others.
"The game is old" is not an excuse, people are working on Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 to bring it to modern standards for performance, and someone made Super Mario 64's once canned multiplayer mode and made it technically playable on original hardware. Those games are way older than TF2.
echo chamber in here is wild
Yeah, we should all be talking about how great deadlock is! I agree it's really really good! I'm excited to spend tons of money on the skins and grinding in comp for those precious elo points. And the community for the game will be so welcoming and won't treat new players like dogshit.
Your arguments are weak
Bro out of any gaming community TF2 gotta be the one that is genuinely the most cult-like and delusional.
@@MrKinglydude moba communities are so welcoming and friendly to new players....
@@MrKinglydude dude no one here agrees with you.
Remember you can still play games as old as 20 years old as Quake, Doom and Unreal Tournament through dedicated servers, with even their original printed physical copies or though the 7 seas and none of these games have recieved any update from their companies in years, their communitites are alive and they did not enabled any monetization or any secondhand market like Blizzard in their in their games so that they can pretend that the company still cares about them.
Still waiting on that new Frying Dory video.
How can you complain? Tf2 has had a longer life span than any of my favorite online games and it’s not even close
The visuals at 19:50 are really cool! Smooth, very clear, and perfectly fitting. Its a nice break from the still images and related stock videos (not that there's anything wrong with em)
A lot of effort went into this and feels a lot more than just a rant. Good stuff!
My issue with TF2 is that its community has been "rotting" for a long time. Sure they make game alive at some extent, but the biggest problem is that most of TF2 players currently are like you mentioned "Tourists" (people who never played it in early days or had a little taste before the malice that was Meat Your Match update) which means they never experienced how TF2 good was along with its artstyle, matchmaking and most importantly interaction. This simply is a reason why I see so many violationa regarding artstyle and map development which all of it is made by community and as expected it fails to provide results since most OGs know what a cristalline fuckness was End of The Line Update. You ask me why Valve let's community do this violations since those "seasonal updates"? Its because they don't fucking care and do bare minimum to provide any support for it (Bot crisis and their negligence is enough to prove it) and in consenquence they keep it only for money, which explains why standards of TF2 are being lowered with every single day (note the fact that idle bots still are an majority of TF2 playerbase lmfao).
This simply explains a little bit why TF2 community has really poor integrity where most players can't do anything on their own such as :
-Fighting with your own wallet (TF2Tubers/big figures of TF2 and TF2 "socials" still have massive trouble with adressing core problems and giving solutions to them which is fucking ridiculous).
-Not being afraid to criticize certain mechanic, item, map or hat that doesn't belong to game itself that just fucking sucks and destroys the whole game climate.
-Gatekeeping from people who want to destroy TF2 art, gameplay, style and replace it with some awful, forgetable pop-culture references and fortnite-like wacky, tacky garbage (Yes TF2E im looking at you)
And more things that first players of TF2 would call for action immediately.
Unfortunately many OGs that played this game are gone since they left it a long time ago, because Valve fucked up its "neato update" by pushing TF2 into dogshit competitive hellscape that died very quickly, because its definitely not like TF2 was ever meant to be competitive game, since the massive majority of players have been (still they are) playing for fun/casually. This means TF2 is changing, but for the worse, along with the standards that kept this game more alive and afloat are eroding and being replaced by standards that slowly, but efficently destroys the whole spirit of TF2.
In conclusion i have to say : TF2 survived its times, but its community didn't.
I'm glad I was able to play this game in 2008 and onward until End of the Line got released. After EOTL was released, I saw the death of many community servers which caused me play less of TF2.
Compfags/tourneyfags really did a number on this game when they helped play test both competitive mode and casual mode.
Dont forget the fact they also put some "political" messages to their items which was not necessary. And the fact some people defending this and saying there should be more messages like that makes me question if those people really cares about games artstyle and gatekeeping the game.
*Team Fortress 2 on Xbox Series X runs at 60fps on modded servers in it's original 2007 glory. Pick up an orange box disc today & enjoy the purest form of TF2 !*
27:13 It's not. I've yet to hear anyone actually say this. Maybe some people trolling you on Twitter say it, but it's absolutely not the general consensus. I understand there are some people out there that actually think this, but most people generally feel at least sympathetic towards the TF2 community, since a corporation mistreating it's game and the community around it is something that everyone in gaming can relate to at this point.
its still not over till f2ps get chat and communications ban lifted and we get the heavy update
Yea if a company is making millions in revenue from a player base annually. It’s probably a smart financial decision to invest money to keep that your player base happy to keep the revenue stream coming through. I don’t think it’s that hard of a concept to grasp.
The main issue that comes with TF2 is an issue as old as time, you had a great team that created an IP and game and carried that weight as far as it could go before moving onto other projects and companies and now you're left with a product that nobody wants to work on because "Sustainment" doesn't lead to promotions or bonuses in the Programming world. Nobody WANTS to go though 20 year old code and dig through relics that a single space could crash the application. It's Spahgetti Code, and worse, it's cold spaghetti code. Thus the push for NEON PRIME or whatever the new game is. Valve IS a corporation after all, and corporations look after profit.
That would be a valid point... If valve was a small company. But they have so much money they could easily hire 3-5 top tier engineers to rummage through the code and find new ways to stop the bots forever. They have proven this two times now with the 2022 3-4 month bot resolve and now this year's bot resolve. There is no logic explaining why valve does not continue to do the bare minimum to keep the game functional.
The money they would spend to keep the bots out would barely make a dent in their yearly earnings mah boi. Plus with the prestige the valve name carries, plenty of engineers would take the job to work with them no matter what.
TF2 is a gaming treasure and deserves to be maintained as such. I’m glad that the game I put the single most amount of time into is finally getting maintained once more, and I genuinely hope it goes on to entertain a new generation of players.