why post this video and not share exactly what mixture your using? Probably not even vinegar your using! I think posting this and having people try this method without telling exact process is irrisponsable and and a danger to those who try without proper deatails. people will attempt regardless of you telling them not to.
I actually can to the same conclusion myself. The temperature range is from about 40/80 degress. As acetic acid boils at around 118 degrees. Given the temperature range we can assume gold or gold coating in the mole mass rage of equal to around 19 to around 38 grams could be ionised in those temperature ranges. But becuase it’s a coating on the pcb boards the molar mass is a lot lower which is why at those temperatures it’s so quick. I won’t give away the exact checmal formula, but I’m glad to know my theory was correct and I can proceed with stripping my gold. I’m uncertain if it can have the same affects on other precious metals, I’ll assume it does but gold has been my main focus becuase I have more of that to recovery. What drove me to this was an article about a Canadian university research team and the fact I couldn’t be arsed with applying and paying for an EPP lisence he in the UK. It also gives me a non-toxic way of recovering as well. Aswsome thanks guys.
Open source is the correct thing to do. Ego, greed, morally bankrupt is what caused humanity to fall to far from grace. the people here are searching for the answers. Keep your secrets chump!
Muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide it works pretty well. I wouldn't call the gold squeaky clean, but its purest way I have found. Takes a matter of hours
There are solid white pellets or "prills" in the solution. My guess would be sodium nitrate.The acetic acid being the substitute for HCl and sodium nitrate makes an AR solution that is strong enough to dissolve the top layer of gold because it is so thin but not strong enough to attack the nickel layer quickly. That's why the piece goes in and comes back out quickly so the base metal is not attacked over time.
+Vincent Forgione I have used sodium thiosulfate for this purpose and it was a tedious process. PH adjustments and oxidizer need to be maintained. This is just a quick dip in and out.
True, but Dr. Foley's seminar is on this process, and specifically mentions a new family of sulfur-based ligands. The modified dithioburet is just a guess, based on Loghman and Salimi patents.
+Vincent Forgione That's what I was gonna say. Lol no not really I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. Is that english? Lol, Rock on scientist.
Thank you for the response! Now the next 2 questions. Where can I get the concentrated vinegar? And what is the procedure to precipitate the gold from the solution?
The solution is 3 ingredients 99.5% to 100% acetic 37%hcl and calcium hypochlorite to dissolve gold then another 2 ingredients to precipice golf to black powder that is 24k but u can get purity even higher to 99.99%
I have a few questions: What is the exact chemical(s) you are using for this and where can I buy it? Reading below, I see a response of acetone, but when i google some viable sources, none boast confidence that it is the same as what I will need to recreate this process. How do you separate the gold solution? Is it as simple as boiling away the liquid? Filters? Electrolysis? How many times can you reuse the same dose before it no longer becomes effective to remove gold? Is there a similar method to removing copper and other metals? I have a ton of motherboards I want to try this with, but there are a lot of other metals I want to keep, too.
how do you get the gold from the vinegar? and does the value of recivered gold more than cover the cost of the vinegar anf rquipment used? How do you get the circuit boards for instance?
yea that's what i want to know. if you use acid you can get the step by step procedure to get the gold out of the acid but there is not explaination of how to get it out of the vinegar here.
ok so i watched this video think from its title that i was going to be watching something interesting and get the information i need to be able to do it for my self but this is pointless, there is no information in the video your just watching some one clean there gold plated circuit boards. why would i want to waste my time watching this, yes its interesting to watch as i love gold but but its not a how to video. which is what i was looking for.
What is all that white stuff in the bottom of the beaker? Is that from the magnetic stirring bar rubbing on the boards? If that is the case, I know that is likely not intended in this process since the stirring bar just keeps the acid (vinegar) moving to help get the gold off quicker. I am quite impressed and pleased that someone found a quick and easy way to get gold off circuit boards and other things while not needing to use nitric acid. The reason that I am happy about that is that nitric acid is one of those things that might get some "unwanted attention" from the police when anyone tries to obtain it. Then there is the fact that the fumes of nitric acid can be deadly. Professor, what would be a similarly easy to obtain chemical for removing silver from film or dissolve silver? I just thought it would be a good idea to get that question out while I comment on the gold recovery process you have discovered. I live in the USA and chemicals such as nitric acid are controlled or regulated and thus, I don't buy them. That is because I don't want the feds coming to my door to try and charge me with using it for "something else". Then when you use nitric acid you have to be far away from your nearest neighbor (so that his or her darned dog doesn't finally stop barking for once for some mysterious reason hehehe).
I made it too at my home, it's an awesome idea and working well . Now I'm trying to decrease as per your video. My solution is dissolving gold in just one hour well all of PCB. 😊😊😊
hey im up here in Saskatchewan Canada , these guys where on Dragons Den a while back , they made a deal on there , cant recall what ep it was on , heard it on the Radio up here , got to check this out
see Excir Works Corp. dragon den series 1 ep 13, I think. I sent email requesting info but they ignored me. Guess I'm not big enough for them to license.They will not release the formula because they want to license it to big gold recovery operations.
it is being done in a fume hood and the resulting color of liquid after deplating is almost identicle to HCL&bleach method, there was no heat being used so this is my opinion.
you are correct, no heat is needed in the demo. Their patented chemical formula strips the gold then they use a 5 step refining process with electrolysis.
@@Alex-kp3hr many chemicals will do this if properly mixed, I agree with the no heat and they can patent a product but a little research will probably net people the same results if they know what they are doing and are safe about it. chlorine is very effective at leaching gold but it will also kill you if you don't treat it with respect.
peroxide and some acid they sell at walmart works good to remove the gold from computers i for got the name of the acid but i bought it before it starts with a M acid.
For those who havent gone through their patent the secret lies in the white pellets which is the novel ectractant (its thio compound) and the extraction media is different. Pls go through the patent
Excellent brain. Business purposes, a piece of information is much of bucks than a gram of gold. Might be a an ounce of AU is an exchange of this. Guys Mr. Bor video reveals a better one. Just a vinegar with peroxide dissolves everything except gold and silver.
What is the conc of the solution and I guess it's heated. Why and how does it work. Also if it's cheaper then why isn't it being used on a large scale as it would be economic. Further how are you extracting the gold out of the solution obtained please do elaborate.
Look up glacial acetic acid. You can get vinegar all the way up to 100%. Just make sure you have proper ventilation/ppe. The stuff isn’t exactly salad dressing anymore.
And qhat is the mixture... because I tried with 30 % vinegar... now in the solution for over 1 month. Only a few pins of gold fell off . Not even 1 % of what tje solution contains. So what exactly does your solution contain?
you need vinegar, sea salt, hydrogen peroxide and 90 hours. Gold fingers will come off. the gold is not pure. you need to dissolve the gold and refine it.
I watched another video by street tips. He added sea salt to the vinegar, then baking soda to get PH to 4.5-5, then progressively added bleach a ML at a time until all gold was dissolved, then used vitamin C (ascorbic acid) to precipitate the gold out of solution.
what do you mix the vinegar with, I think its sulphuric acid I,m experimenting with these things too so soon I believe I will find the solution, where I live in newbrunswick they throw out a lot of computer waste and I have it all I currently use the aquaregia method but I don't like it. would like your method better.
forget the method in this demo. It is geared for big time industry. You have to pay for a license to use their chemicals + a 5 step refining process which involves electrolysis. Use a safer method but takes longer. Vinegar, sea salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, then bleach to dissolve, then vitamin C to drop gold. Can't be easier than that.
+alio KILO a half hour thinking about what Can oxidize Gold and is relatively non toxic, maybe it is chlorine dioxide from chlorate salt and some acid,it could be a potassium chlorate as i Can see it is Hard to dissolve , the temp should be up to 60'C
+25ilzite Do you have a process for this? As I would like to be able to do this at home with out killing the neighbor's with chlorine gas as they get a bit upset...:P
Right on I do the sea salt and vinegar myself however I work constantly so I've got this jar that's been going for about a month I stir and remove as well as heat and reconcentrate adding more but maybe I'll do the whole heating it up on my next day off and collecting but ima try to melt it all I'm not big on chemicals and acids...i know of them enough to know that in my hands it may not be gold work that I splash it upon hahaha
There was more details in a magazine article I read a couple of years ago and I think they precipitate it out using Zinc. It's not just vinegar they are using, there is another step involved (which they will licence).
HI Hiwa, have read this research some long time ago nearly a year or so, what is the progress to the date and what preventing you from commercially resale the solution, it will be also great to point out to everyone watching your video that there is no way you will fully publish the full aspect and exact solution. also for everyone reading mixing any chemical together at different percentage will result in some case to a totally different third chemical . Thanks
Dimethylformamide or thionyl chloride? I read a work up on the experimental use of such compounds on small scale electronic waste precious metal recovery. Not very economical due to cost restraints. Alot of potential here. Very interesting chemistry going on that they haven't quite figured out how the mechanism works yet. Keep it up.
@@Alex-kp3hr Are you sure this is the correct patent? It seems to be dealing with extraction from HCL solutions which was never mentioned in this video, the article I read or the Dragons Den episode. In the article I read (magazine in my doctors office so I don't have access to it again), they mention another "secret" chemical that was being used. I think they said it was an oxidizer, but I could be wrong. They did mention using Zinc to cause a precipitation reaction to remove the Gold from solution.
@@lenm2857 Yes, they mentioned they used basic vinegar plus I am sure some other proprietary chemicals, but remember Vinegar + salt will produce a weak version of HCL.
@@jr.patriotswrestlingclub5768 their formula is a patented concoction of specialty chemicals + HCL. the process is a 5 step process using electrolysis to drop the gold.
@@Alex-kp3hr do they sell their patented chemicals and the procedure they use? I do gold recovery from computer parts with my two sons as a hobby and for fun. My oldest got us started when he heard about it and wanted to try it as a science project his sophomore year in high school 2 years ago.
@@jr.patriotswrestlingclub5768 the above video demo has been designed to interest the very big gold refining operators who are willing to pay for the license to use their proprietary patented chemical formula. Us backyarders cannot afford their license. Stick to what can be learned from other good youtube sites like sreetips or 999Dusan, etc. I personally do no like harsh acids and prefer the vinegar, sea salt, hydrogen peroxide method. It takes longer but it is safer. Once the gold foils are in the solution, use bleach to dissolve the gold then use vitamin C to drop the gold. Of course its in a metallic powder form and you now need to melt it into a bead.
mmmmmaybe!!! but then where do these chemicals come in: cyclohexyl or isopropyl and Z represents a group selected from the group consisting of: -CH2-, -CH2-CH2-, CH2-CH2-CH2, CH2-CH(CH3)-CH2, CH2(CH2)2CH2, CH2-NH-CH2, CH2-CHOH-CH2-, CHOH-CH2-CH2-, and -CH2-O-CH2-; and acidified thiourea solution. (extract from their patent.)
Yes, Glacial Acetic Acid with 99% Hydrogen peroxide, and derivatives of Thiobiu---something in the patent is my guess. Along with heat and aggressive agitation.
store bought table vinegar is diluted with water for human consumption. If you want concentrated vinegar, just boil it to get rid of the excess water and that will make it concentrated, but then don't ingest it or you'll get one hell of a heart burn.
Kinda expecting a paper on this. You know, how to produce the vinegar solution you're using, and preferably a solidification process of the extracted gold. Great research you're doing, but research is no good if it's kept in secrecy, right?
Pourquoi ne pas offrir la recette exacte du liquide afin d'aider ceux qui s'amuse à récupérerl'or sur les circuits imprimés? Why not offer the exact recipe for the liquid to help those who have fun collecting gold from circuit boards?
Hi Dudes! After watching your video again and thinking about you reply I believe I managed to repeat your experiment :) Probably not as fast and nice like you did (professional scientists) nevertheless it was fast enough Yes it is quick and looks impressive on a small scale, but no way it can beat cyanide..... other ways mining companies would be knocking at your door.... well, maybe even at my door )
I have a solution that does the exact same thing. It is most likely very close to what they are using here. I am going to patent it and sell it to anyone who needs it. Small hobby refiners to the largest refiners in the world.
Where can we buy the concentrated vinegar for this? I have several old phones and random electronics that I've been saving up for quite a while to do this. I feel like I have a lot of gold but I have a feeling I'm going to be very disappointed with my outcome. I just keep on saving up until the day finally comes to be able to recover it.
I use vinegar and salt even after a full day nothing happen so I tried the vinegar with bleachnothing the only thing I did not try is with muriatic acid or with sulphuric acid which I have a lot of.
the safest way is table vinegar, sea salt, Hydrogen per. Just be patient for 90 hrs then recover the gold flakes. They are still not pure. You need to then refine.
@@nolanfoster6782 . Remember their other video stating a green process for gold recovery. Well green to me means no harsh chemicals right? So they claim that they basically use vinegar. In the above video, they use a yellow solution to dissolve the gold plating. If this yellow solution is supposed to be a green process, then perhaps they are using a combination of glacial vinegar + hydrogen peroxide? Using table vinegar + sea salt produces a weak version of Hydrochloric Acid and when mixed with Hydrogen Peroxide produces a poor mans version of an AP solution. Using Hydrogen Peroxide + Hydrochloric Acid produces a strong version of an AP solution. Calcium hypochlorite (pool chlorine from Bunnings) could be substituted for the nitric acid in a small ratio in the above mix to get such a fast dissolving process. You still need to get the ratios right. Anyway, not to be long winded, their patent application states a lot of chemical names but no ratios. The true "green process" is hiding somewhere therein.
EXAMPLE 10 Following 2 time leaching of 1.5 kg copper anode slime said in example 9, with 1.5 L of nitric acid (9 M) at 85° C. for 4 hours, the residue was washed with 0.4 L of water. The solid phase after drying mixed with 1.5 L of hydrochloric acid and 0.5 of water. Then 0.5 L of hydrogen peroxide was added gradually to the mixture and the temperature of the liquid was maintained at 70° C. for 4 hours to effect oxidizing leaching. The respective concentration levels within leach liquor were 1600 ppm for gold, 48 ppm for palladium and high levels of other impurities. Following cooling, the chlorination leaching residue was filtered, the acid concentration of the filtrate was adjusted to 1 M, and the filtrate was mixed with equal volume of dichloromethane containing 25 g new extractant said in example 1. Then mixture allowed stirring vigorously for 20 minutes at room temperature. The two phases were separated and the respective concentration levels with in the raffinate were 0.4 ppm for gold, 0.2 ppm for palladium. The organic phase was stripped with equal volume of 0.5 M thiourea solution containing 98 gpl sulfuric acid for 5 minutes at room temperature. The earned analysis data from the aqueous phase exposed 1750 ppm for gold without any other impurities. While all of the fundamental characteristics and features of the metal extractant and resulting method herein have been shown and described, with reference to particular embodiments thereof, a latitude of modification, various changes and substitutions are intended in the foregoing disclosure and it will be apparent that in some instances, some features of the invention may be employed without a corresponding use of other features without departing from the scope of the invention as set forth. It should also be understood that various substitutions, modifications, and variations may be made by those skilled in the art, without departing from the spirit or scope of the invention. Consequently, all such modifications and variations and substitutions as will certainly occur to those skilled in the art on reading this disclosure, are included within the scope of the invention as defined by the following claims. Claims (13) What is claimed is: 1. A method of separating at least one of gold and palladium from an acid solution containing chloride complexes of at least one of these metals, said method comprising the steps of: employing an extractant selected from dithiobiuret derivative compounds represented by the following structure formula: wherein R is cyclohexyl or isopropyl and Z represents a group selected from the group consisting of: -CH2-, -CH2-CH2-, CH2-CH2-CH2, CH2-CH(CH3)-CH2, CH2(CH2)2CH2, CH2-NH-CH2, CH2-CHOH-CH2-, CHOH-CH2-CH2-, and -CH2-O-CH2-; and contacting said acid solution with a quantity of said extractant, for a sufficient length of time to form a loaded organic consisting of either or both of gold and palladium to allow for a single step extraction of substantially all the gold and palladium present. The link leads you to the pat. Hydrochloric is mentioned a lot in the pat.
its like the old saying, if it seems too good to be true, it generally is. considering this guy doesnt explain what chemicals he's using anywhere in the video, nor does he mention any way of extracting the gold from the solution afterward, im betting this is a scam. he is most likely using a chemical process that changes the color of the gold through oxidization, rather than actually dissolving it into the solution. Update: yeah it's a scam. the guy copyrighted his name for this "process" and is selling a license to use it for an ungodly amount of money in an attempt at taking advantage of people who don't know any better.
+Hiwa Salimi Is there any possibility that you publish the composition of your solution? I suspect you are in the middle of patenting process and this is a groundbreaking discovery in the gold industry, but there are plenty of people dying to get to know what you used :) Excellent job though!
هیواسلیمی گرامی،درودبرشمامیتونم چندسئوال به فارسی ازشماداشته باشم نوشتارانگلیسی من خیلی خوب نیست،امیدوارم شمابه خواندن ونوشتن فارسی مسلط باشید،باسپاس فراوان.🌷💙
why post this video and not share exactly what mixture your using? Probably not even vinegar your using! I think posting this and having people try this method without telling exact process is irrisponsable and and a danger to those who try without proper deatails. people will attempt regardless of you telling them not to.
+Thomas Marks
Do not worry, it is not dangerous.
And it´s only concentrated vinegar acid? How do you refine it from the solution?
alio KILO
Thomas Marks .acetone its a real strong vinegar basically. used in nail polish remover
Thomas Marks r
I never had the money, the exotic equipment, acid's nor the space for something like this. But this Guy gives me hope!
this is a lie , you can do the same with at least 10 diferent ways ,just take your time to watch ,[ how to disolve gold ] on you tube
I'ma try to recreate this.
You can find his patent at www.google.ca/patents/US8663584
Cody'sLab do you have results?
lol why am I not surprised to see Cody here?
Did you have any luck?
Sir .. this chemical name. ???
I actually can to the same conclusion myself. The temperature range is from about 40/80 degress. As acetic acid boils at around 118 degrees. Given the temperature range we can assume gold or gold coating in the mole mass rage of equal to around 19 to around 38 grams could be ionised in those temperature ranges. But becuase it’s a coating on the pcb boards the molar mass is a lot lower which is why at those temperatures it’s so quick. I won’t give away the exact checmal formula, but I’m glad to know my theory was correct and I can proceed with stripping my gold. I’m uncertain if it can have the same affects on other precious metals, I’ll assume it does but gold has been my main focus becuase I have more of that to recovery. What drove me to this was an article about a Canadian university research team and the fact I couldn’t be arsed with applying and paying for an EPP lisence he in the UK. It also gives me a non-toxic way of recovering as well. Aswsome thanks guys.
Non toxic? think again. see patents.google.com/patent/US8663584
Formula is already put there...
Where do you think you got it !
Open source is the correct thing to do. Ego, greed, morally bankrupt is what caused humanity to fall to far from grace. the people here are searching for the answers. Keep your secrets chump!
Muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide it works pretty well. I wouldn't call the gold squeaky clean, but its purest way I have found. Takes a matter of hours
There are solid white pellets or "prills" in the solution. My guess would be sodium nitrate.The acetic acid being the substitute for HCl and sodium nitrate makes an AR solution that is strong enough to dissolve the top layer of gold because it is so thin but not strong enough to attack the nickel layer quickly. That's why the piece goes in and comes back out quickly so the base metal is not attacked over time.
I believe you are right, because from what I see is c=some white particles floating around at the same time.
evidence would suggest otherwise - most likely a sulfur-based ligand/modified dithioburet.
+Vincent Forgione I have used sodium thiosulfate for this purpose and it was a tedious process. PH adjustments and oxidizer need to be maintained. This is just a quick dip in and out.
True, but Dr. Foley's seminar is on this process, and specifically mentions a new family of sulfur-based ligands. The modified dithioburet is just a guess, based on Loghman and Salimi patents.
+Vincent Forgione That's what I was gonna say. Lol no not really I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. Is that english? Lol, Rock on scientist.
I don't know why but when you took the top off the aqua regia ,I started holding my breath
Thank you for the response! Now the next 2 questions. Where can I get the concentrated vinegar? And what is the procedure to precipitate the gold from the solution?
+Paul Yagoda
you can get it from the market.
and for precipitation you can use sodium metsbisulfite
2 questions. What is the percentage of the acetic acid (vinegar)? And how do you precipitate the gold?
The solution is 3 ingredients 99.5% to 100% acetic 37%hcl and calcium hypochlorite to dissolve gold then another 2 ingredients to precipice golf to black powder that is 24k but u can get purity even higher to 99.99%
Boil the vinegar to concentrate it and make sure the vinegar is heated and agitated.
What is the point showing video if there is no explanation. It is like showing bottle of water to thirsty one and never give it to him.
I have a few questions:
What is the exact chemical(s) you are using for this and where can I buy it? Reading below, I see a response of acetone, but when i google some viable sources, none boast confidence that it is the same as what I will need to recreate this process.
How do you separate the gold solution? Is it as simple as boiling away the liquid? Filters? Electrolysis?
How many times can you reuse the same dose before it no longer becomes effective to remove gold?
Is there a similar method to removing copper and other metals? I have a ton of motherboards I want to try this with, but there are a lot of other metals I want to keep, too.
here is the formula: patents.google.com/patent/US8663584
@@Alex-kp3hr
Thank You !
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
how do you get the gold from the vinegar? and does the value of recivered gold more than cover the cost of the vinegar anf rquipment used? How do you get the circuit boards for instance?
yea that's what i want to know. if you use acid you can get the step by step procedure to get the gold out of the acid but there is not explaination of how to get it out of the vinegar here.
ok so i watched this video think from its title that i was going to be watching something interesting and get the information i need to be able to do it for my self but this is pointless, there is no information in the video your just watching some one clean there gold plated circuit boards. why would i want to waste my time watching this, yes its interesting to watch as i love gold but but its not a how to video. which is what i was looking for.
Totally agree, SHARE SOME FORMULAS BEFORE IT DIES WITH YOU, Please
You can see your a very professional lab.
This is an advertisement, which seems too good to be true, quick, simple, great music, great money, yea right!
What is all that white stuff in the bottom of the beaker? Is that from the magnetic stirring bar rubbing on the boards? If that is the case, I know that is likely not intended in this process since the stirring bar just keeps the acid (vinegar) moving to help get the gold off quicker. I am quite impressed and pleased that someone found a quick and easy way to get gold off circuit boards and other things while not needing to use nitric acid. The reason that I am happy about that is that nitric acid is one of those things that might get some "unwanted attention" from the police when anyone tries to obtain it. Then there is the fact that the fumes of nitric acid can be deadly.
Professor, what would be a similarly easy to obtain chemical for removing silver from film or dissolve silver? I just thought it would be a good idea to get that question out while I comment on the gold recovery process you have discovered. I live in the USA and chemicals such as nitric acid are controlled or regulated and thus, I don't buy them. That is because I don't want the feds coming to my door to try and charge me with using it for "something else". Then when you use nitric acid you have to be far away from your nearest neighbor (so that his or her darned dog doesn't finally stop barking for once for some mysterious reason hehehe).
what percentage would work? highest concentrated vinegar i see us 20% or 30%
I made it too at my home, it's an awesome idea and working well . Now I'm trying to decrease as per your video. My solution is dissolving gold in just one hour well all of PCB. 😊😊😊
Can u show me the formula?
I would to know the formula, please?
Are you add anythings in vinegar? And are you heating the vinegar?
Thats coarse grain sea salt
What kind of vinegar should I use? How do I make it concentrated? Thanks.
normal white table vinegar. boil it down to remove excess water.
سلام خسته نباشید ممنون بابت زحمتهایی که برای ساختن ویدیو ها میکشید
سلامت و موفق باشید❤❤❤
hey im up here in Saskatchewan Canada , these guys where on Dragons Den a while back , they made a deal on there , cant recall what ep it was on , heard it on the Radio up here , got to check this out
see Excir Works Corp. dragon den series 1 ep 13, I think. I sent email requesting info but they ignored me. Guess I'm not big enough for them to license.They will not release the formula because they want to license it to big gold recovery operations.
Show us how you make you vinegar solvent. 👍👍
What is Concentrated Vinegar? what do you add to the Vinegar?
glacial acid
@@Indra.artist Thanks
Question is how to get it to drop from the vinegar
bleach to dissolve gold, then vitamin C to drop gold.
@@Alex-kp3hr how can we bleach ???
it is being done in a fume hood and the resulting color of liquid after deplating is almost identicle to HCL&bleach method, there was no heat being used so this is my opinion.
you are correct, no heat is needed in the demo. Their patented chemical formula strips the gold then they use a 5 step refining process with electrolysis.
@@Alex-kp3hr many chemicals will do this if properly mixed, I agree with the no heat and they can patent a product but a little research will probably net people the same results if they know what they are doing and are safe about it.
chlorine is very effective at leaching gold but it will also kill you if you don't treat it with respect.
peroxide and some acid they sell at walmart works good to remove the gold from computers i for got the name of the acid but i bought it before it starts with a M acid.
could it be muriatic acid you are thinking about. used in swimming pools.
For those who havent gone through their patent the secret lies in the white pellets which is the novel ectractant (its thio compound) and the extraction media is different. Pls go through the patent
Cool video. What solution is in the beaker; just vinegar; what kind of vinegar; more details please?
Excellent brain. Business purposes, a piece of information is much of bucks than a gram of gold. Might be a an ounce of AU is an exchange of this. Guys Mr. Bor video reveals a better one. Just a vinegar with peroxide dissolves everything except gold and silver.
Can you provide a link to the video you're talking about, please?
I'm curious just about the final result, considering that this video is true, how to separate the others metals by using clean methods ?
they use a 5 step recovery and electrolysis refining process with patented chemical combinations which you cannot get.
Which type of vinegar use? Vinegar percentage?
normal table white vinegar you buy at your supermarket.
Hi what is the machine you have it on, I have never tried gold recovery, you said that is vinegar what kind
What is the conc of the solution and I guess it's heated. Why and how does it work. Also if it's cheaper then why isn't it being used on a large scale as it would be economic. Further how are you extracting the gold out of the solution obtained please do elaborate.
The video is frustrating because they show you something without telling you anything
How are you doing that? What is the process
Please answer, what is concentrated Vinegar? I have 45% and it takes time. Or did you add something to it?
Look up glacial acetic acid. You can get vinegar all the way up to 100%. Just make sure you have proper ventilation/ppe. The stuff isn’t exactly salad dressing anymore.
Great video, and it would be nice if you answered peoples question.
You realize it's a patented process, that requires a license. That's why they are not telling the whole story, there's a lot of money to be made.
@@brads4000 I agree.
And qhat is the mixture... because I tried with 30 % vinegar... now in the solution for over 1 month. Only a few pins of gold fell off . Not even 1 % of what tje solution contains. So what exactly does your solution contain?
you need vinegar, sea salt, hydrogen peroxide and 90 hours. Gold fingers will come off. the gold is not pure. you need to dissolve the gold and refine it.
Consentrated vinegar and nitric acid of some sort?
what are the white flakes floating around in the beaker ?
so how do you extract the gold from the "vinegar"?
My guess is coffee filters
@@DrDixonBudtzMD bleach to dissolve gold into nanoparticles then use vitamin c to drop gold.
They use zinc.
I trying with 70% vinegar, no reaction, I think it's something more not just vinegar
Concentrated acetic acid + H2O2 maybe?
I watched another video by street tips. He added sea salt to the vinegar, then baking soda to get PH to 4.5-5, then progressively added bleach a ML at a time until all gold was dissolved, then used vitamin C (ascorbic acid) to precipitate the gold out of solution.
ALL in ONE maybe i
@@rodjackson6587 salt only has one strenth unless something is mixed into it
There are some white balls at the bottom, maybe it is saturated with some salt.
what do you mix the vinegar with, I think its sulphuric acid I,m experimenting with these things too so soon I believe I will find the solution, where I live in newbrunswick they throw out a lot of computer waste and I have it all I currently use the aquaregia method but I don't like it. would like your method better.
forget the method in this demo. It is geared for big time industry. You have to pay for a license to use their chemicals + a 5 step refining process which involves electrolysis. Use a safer method but takes longer. Vinegar, sea salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, then bleach to dissolve, then vitamin C to drop gold. Can't be easier than that.
Is it the same method of precipitation as (ar)with the vinegar?
no.
Sodium chlorate(oxidizer)+Vinegar(acetic acid)+hydrogen peroxide+ sulfuric acid
+25ilzite
how did you figure it out?
+alio KILO a half hour thinking about what Can oxidize Gold and is relatively non toxic, maybe it is chlorine dioxide from chlorate salt and some acid,it could be a potassium chlorate as i Can see it is Hard to dissolve , the temp should be up to 60'C
+25ilzite Do you have a process for this? As I would like to be able to do this at home with out killing the neighbor's with chlorine gas as they get a bit upset...:P
+LordZonaxe
yes we have a process. but, you need to have a ventilation system
Will this info be freely available? if so can I get a copy. (I will use a ventilation system)
I have a question that how to make that concentrated vinegar tec.
Plz reply and Give answer to me
the only way to get a concentration is to distill it.
Right on I do the sea salt and vinegar myself however I work constantly so I've got this jar that's been going for about a month I stir and remove as well as heat and reconcentrate adding more but maybe I'll do the whole heating it up on my next day off and collecting but ima try to melt it all I'm not big on chemicals and acids...i know of them enough to know that in my hands it may not be gold work that I splash it upon hahaha
how do you get the gold out of the vinegar?
There was more details in a magazine article I read a couple of years ago and I think they precipitate it out using Zinc. It's not just vinegar they are using, there is another step involved (which they will licence).
why are the temperatures diferent ?
@john i see but if it is a test, it's should equal
HI Hiwa, have read this research some long time ago nearly a year or so, what is the progress to the date and what preventing you from commercially resale the solution, it will be also great to point out to everyone watching your video that there is no way you will fully publish the full aspect and exact solution. also for everyone reading mixing any chemical together at different percentage will result in some case to a totally different third chemical . Thanks
What are the little white particals dancing around on the bottom,?
Hello jijiji who is this acid? Or acid mix? Regards
what do u mix with the vinegar?????
special patented chemicals which you cannot get.
Dimethylformamide or thionyl chloride? I read a work up on the experimental use of such compounds on small scale electronic waste precious metal recovery. Not very economical due to cost restraints. Alot of potential here. Very interesting chemistry going on that they haven't quite figured out how the mechanism works yet. Keep it up.
see patents.google.com/patent/US8663584
@@Alex-kp3hr Are you sure this is the correct patent? It seems to be dealing with extraction from HCL solutions which was never mentioned in this video, the article I read or the Dragons Den episode. In the article I read (magazine in my doctors office so I don't have access to it again), they mention another "secret" chemical that was being used. I think they said it was an oxidizer, but I could be wrong. They did mention using Zinc to cause a precipitation reaction to remove the Gold from solution.
@@lenm2857 Yes, they mentioned they used basic vinegar plus I am sure some other proprietary chemicals, but remember Vinegar + salt will produce a weak version of HCL.
So gold turn to liquid.
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how would you get the Gold to drop out?
Hi Daniel
by adding Zinc gold is precipitated from the pregnant solution.
Awsome, thank you
@@Collazo19181 did it work?
@@loghmanmoradi7789 Zinc gold how would you know?
Do you use salad dressing to get the gold out of vinegar? Or is it feta cheese?
don't be silly !!! You use mayo.
Can I purchase some of this solution???
That is clearly the fastest and least toxic method I've seen. And it's selective? I'd like to learn more.
+Paul Yagoda
Yes Paul it is very selective as you can see from the viddeo, it just washes the gold from the surface.
alio KILO so what actually is the process and formula I really want to try it out
@@jr.patriotswrestlingclub5768 their formula is a patented concoction of specialty chemicals + HCL. the process is a 5 step process using electrolysis to drop the gold.
@@Alex-kp3hr do they sell their patented chemicals and the procedure they use? I do gold recovery from computer parts with my two sons as a hobby and for fun. My oldest got us started when he heard about it and wanted to try it as a science project his sophomore year in high school 2 years ago.
@@jr.patriotswrestlingclub5768 the above video demo has been designed to interest the very big gold refining operators who are willing to pay for the license to use their proprietary patented chemical formula. Us backyarders cannot afford their license. Stick to what can be learned from other good youtube sites like sreetips or 999Dusan, etc. I personally do no like harsh acids and prefer the vinegar, sea salt, hydrogen peroxide method. It takes longer but it is safer. Once the gold foils are in the solution, use bleach to dissolve the gold then use vitamin C to drop the gold. Of course its in a metallic powder form and you now need to melt it into a bead.
Vinegar and sodium perchlorate?
Its peracetic acid, ex. hydrogen peroxide and diluted acetic acid, splash of H2SO4 as catalyst....
mmmmmaybe!!! but then where do these chemicals come in: cyclohexyl or isopropyl and Z represents a group selected from the group consisting of: -CH2-, -CH2-CH2-, CH2-CH2-CH2, CH2-CH(CH3)-CH2, CH2(CH2)2CH2, CH2-NH-CH2, CH2-CHOH-CH2-, CHOH-CH2-CH2-, and -CH2-O-CH2-; and acidified thiourea solution. (extract from their patent.)
Glacial Acetic acid? Concentration? Weak acetic acid made with household Vinegar and peroxide....so many questions Unanswered
Yes, Glacial Acetic Acid with 99% Hydrogen peroxide, and derivatives of Thiobiu---something in the patent is my guess. Along with heat and aggressive agitation.
Its acetic acid+hcl+cacl2+hydrogen peroxide
Come oonnn .. no bullshit...
Concentrated vinegar... what is the concentration then.. is 30% enough??
store bought table vinegar is diluted with water for human consumption. If you want concentrated vinegar, just boil it to get rid of the excess water and that will make it concentrated, but then don't ingest it or you'll get one hell of a heart burn.
Turning Ideas into Solutions
how to make the acid?
Kinda expecting a paper on this.
You know, how to produce the vinegar solution you're using, and preferably a solidification process of the extracted gold.
Great research you're doing, but research is no good if it's kept in secrecy, right?
@Moonstar Chronicles LOL
Pourquoi ne pas offrir la recette exacte du liquide afin d'aider ceux qui s'amuse à récupérerl'or sur les circuits imprimés? Why not offer the exact recipe for the liquid to help those who have fun collecting gold from circuit boards?
Hi Dudes!
After watching your video again and thinking about you reply I believe I managed to repeat your experiment :)
Probably not as fast and nice like you did (professional scientists) nevertheless it was fast enough
Yes it is quick and looks impressive on a small scale, but no way it can beat cyanide..... other ways mining companies would be knocking at your door.... well, maybe even at my door )
+Властелин колец
glad to hear it
Which type of scrap did you use?
+Властелин колец
did you repeat Hiwa experiments, I think we have to try
Boris Petrov is this Concentrated vinegar
hello comrade Borris I'm from Australia and love your videos. and your ways of extracting gold .💱
They have sold it, on their version of shark tank. For millions of dollars too!
Great music by the way. Very impressionable!!
Some will experiment safely I hope to find the answer!
I have a solution that does the exact same thing. It is most likely very close to what they are using here. I am going to patent it and sell it to anyone who needs it. Small hobby refiners to the largest refiners in the world.
Can we get an exact recipe on how to do this. The acid treatments get expensive and I don't see how any1 can make money doing it that way.
is there a course for the doing with? im from uk & am willing to pay to learn.
Sir which liquid do you used in this video help us
they used HCL + other special acids.
hello ! plz tell me process of making consentraed vinegar solution
you need to distill it. Look up chemistry - distillation equipment.
Than what gold turn to water .
So how do you actually get the gold out of solution you video does not show or explain this.
How to prepare or buy concentrated vinegar
do it yourself. just boil the vinegar down to reduce excess water.
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Where can we buy the concentrated vinegar for this? I have several old phones and random electronics that I've been saving up for quite a while to do this. I feel like I have a lot of gold but I have a feeling I'm going to be very disappointed with my outcome. I just keep on saving up until the day finally comes to be able to recover it.
see sreetips: vinegar, sea salt, hydrogen peroxide.
It's nothing more than glacial acetic acid, NaCl, and 12% or higher peroxide. Any lower peroxide and it would take days.
not according to their patent: patents.google.com/patent/US8663584
What and where do you get concentrated vinager like this? Is there something else in the mixture?
very good but how i get the license to use your technology, I sent email to the address in this video but no reply
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Hiwa Salimi what solution you use sir?
HCL + specially patented chemicals.
I use vinegar and salt even after a full day nothing happen so I tried the vinegar with bleachnothing the only thing I did not try is with muriatic acid or with sulphuric acid which I have a lot of.
the safest way is table vinegar, sea salt, Hydrogen per. Just be patient for 90 hrs then recover the gold flakes. They are still not pure. You need to then refine.
What was the concentration of the vinegar? Cruz there is 75percent vineager for sale online that would probably speed up process
@@nolanfoster6782 . Remember their other video stating a green process for gold recovery. Well green to me means no harsh chemicals right? So they claim that they basically use vinegar. In the above video, they use a yellow solution to dissolve the gold plating.
If this yellow solution is supposed to be a green process, then perhaps they are using a combination of glacial vinegar + hydrogen peroxide? Using table vinegar + sea salt produces a weak version of Hydrochloric Acid and when mixed with Hydrogen Peroxide produces a poor mans version of an AP solution. Using Hydrogen Peroxide + Hydrochloric Acid produces a strong version of an AP solution. Calcium hypochlorite (pool chlorine from Bunnings) could be substituted for the nitric acid in a small ratio in the above mix to get such a fast dissolving process. You still need to get the ratios right. Anyway, not to be long winded, their patent application states a lot of chemical names but no ratios. The true "green process" is hiding somewhere therein.
How do you extract it
not using their process. extract gold from solution by bleach to dissolve then vitamin c to drop gold.
EXAMPLE 10
Following 2 time leaching of 1.5 kg copper anode slime said in example 9, with 1.5 L of nitric acid (9 M) at 85° C. for 4 hours, the residue was washed with 0.4 L of water. The solid phase after drying mixed with 1.5 L of hydrochloric acid and 0.5 of water. Then 0.5 L of hydrogen peroxide was added gradually to the mixture and the temperature of the liquid was maintained at 70° C. for 4 hours to effect oxidizing leaching. The respective concentration levels within leach liquor were 1600 ppm for gold, 48 ppm for palladium and high levels of other impurities. Following cooling, the chlorination leaching residue was filtered, the acid concentration of the filtrate was adjusted to 1 M, and the filtrate was mixed with equal volume of dichloromethane containing 25 g new extractant said in example 1. Then mixture allowed stirring vigorously for 20 minutes at room temperature. The two phases were separated and the respective concentration levels with in the raffinate were 0.4 ppm for gold, 0.2 ppm for palladium. The organic phase was stripped with equal volume of 0.5 M thiourea solution containing 98 gpl sulfuric acid for 5 minutes at room temperature. The earned analysis data from the aqueous phase exposed 1750 ppm for gold without any other impurities.
While all of the fundamental characteristics and features of the metal extractant and resulting method herein have been shown and described, with reference to particular embodiments thereof, a latitude of modification, various changes and substitutions are intended in the foregoing disclosure and it will be apparent that in some instances, some features of the invention may be employed without a corresponding use of other features without departing from the scope of the invention as set forth. It should also be understood that various substitutions, modifications, and variations may be made by those skilled in the art, without departing from the spirit or scope of the invention. Consequently, all such modifications and variations and substitutions as will certainly occur to those skilled in the art on reading this disclosure, are included within the scope of the invention as defined by the following claims.
Claims (13)
What is claimed is:
1. A method of separating at least one of gold and palladium from an acid solution containing chloride complexes of at least one of these metals, said method comprising the steps of:
employing an extractant selected from dithiobiuret derivative compounds represented by the following structure formula:
wherein R is cyclohexyl or isopropyl and Z represents a group selected from the group consisting of: -CH2-, -CH2-CH2-, CH2-CH2-CH2, CH2-CH(CH3)-CH2, CH2(CH2)2CH2, CH2-NH-CH2, CH2-CHOH-CH2-, CHOH-CH2-CH2-, and -CH2-O-CH2-; and
contacting said acid solution with a quantity of said extractant, for a sufficient length of time to form a loaded organic consisting of either or both of gold and palladium to allow for a single step extraction of substantially all the gold and palladium present.
The link leads you to the pat.
Hydrochloric is mentioned a lot in the pat.
Very interesting. But the usual way still seems less labor intensive and less hard to get chemicals as well as total time consumtion. Still searching!
Very good
its like the old saying, if it seems too good to be true, it generally is. considering this guy doesnt explain what chemicals he's using anywhere in the video, nor does he mention any way of extracting the gold from the solution afterward, im betting this is a scam. he is most likely using a chemical process that changes the color of the gold through oxidization, rather than actually dissolving it into the solution.
Update: yeah it's a scam. the guy copyrighted his name for this "process" and is selling a license to use it for an ungodly amount of money in an attempt at taking advantage of people who don't know any better.
no scam. see reply to keith morrison of 4 years ago (above)
Yh real trial documents and royal mint now using it
Wat kind of vinegar or what is that rated vinegar?
they use concentrated vinegar + HCL + proprietary chemicals.
How to concentrate vinegar please make a video
just boil it down to evaporate most of the water!!!
wow...nice..what is next step...i am a e waste recycler
I thought there was a copper layer under the gold.
Gold won't bond directly to copper but it will nickel. And nickel will bond to the copper under that
+Hiwa Salimi Is there any possibility that you publish the composition of your solution?
I suspect you are in the middle of patenting process and this is a groundbreaking discovery in the gold industry, but there are plenty of people dying to get to know what you used :) Excellent job though!
Not a snowball's chance in Hell will they give away the formula when big industry is willing to pay for it. Don't you think?
@@Alex-kp3hr
YOUR WRONG...
IT IS ALREADY ON LINE !
P.S.
STOP THINKING PEOPLE ARE SMART ! IT MAKES YOU DUMB !
@@Alex-kp3hr
LOOK thru some of the comments.
There is a link to the formula !
Boa Noite, que produto é esse que vc está usando nesse vídeo; é desplacante? Grato: Saldanha - Curitiba - Pr. - Brasil.
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