I had a 95 Supra; Z's were my enemy on the road (and everything else) but now I would only buy another MKIV or this Z. Kudos to Nissan for building their own car, it's an impressive ride.
I would buy the Z over the Supra, seems a better option for those looking for a GT vehicle. In my 40s and not looking to race in a track often, so this seems the better option for me. I was a fan of the old Supra and the 300z, this also feels closer to those models.
Wife and I have a '94 300ZX, she's a big Nissan fan and has been looking forward to the new Z. Great video! We also live about 20 miles north of the road where you shot the video, it's one of the best in the area. If you're ever in the area and have time for a longer loop, the road through Pine / Deckers / Woodland Park runs parallel and is also really good.
Ben, I have been interested in buying a C8, but I have always been bothered by the fact that you never see ten year old Corvettes on the road as the engines disintegrate. Coupled with the $10K dealer markups, I have given up, period, never again. But I stumbled across your VIDEO AND WOW! I had a 1984 280ZX 2+2 and this brings back the memories. Your REVIEW is UNIQUE because you know the Z's prior foibles, and you compare & contrast them from wisdom. Nobody else! Only you! You are FANTASTIC!
I love this car and it looks stunning in this blue plus you have the manual! Nice! Both this and the Supra in a manual IMHO are modern-day classics and people will be kicking themselves in the future if they had an opportunity to get one but didn't.
I like both, but as you mentioned... I want a Japanese Japanese car. I'm sure the Supra is amazing. I can wait for the Nismo Z, I'm currently in a LC500 as my coupe. I'm also glad you mentioned the 911 being an evolutionary car versus a revolution with each generation.
My money went toward a manual Supra. I can't imagine being so hung up on the perceived legacy of a car that I would ignore every other detail of the vehicle. If the car looks good and performs well who cares where it was made.
Hopefully Toyota checked BMW’s work. As someone who’s owned 3 BMWs and will never own another, I’m expecting to start hearing about longevity issues with internal parts on the new Supra. That being said, I love the Supra… just don’t trust BMW.
@@sixbrokenstrings7322 So, it’s just the block, not all the plastics that funnel coolant to cool the engine? What about the water pump, head gaskets, oil pan gaskets, coils? You know, the parts that fail within 50-65k on most BMWs. Give it some time, the honeymoon period is almost over.
@@Anon_Fox Maintenance is changing your oil, not replacing plastics and gaskets every 40k. Plus, the labor expense is what keeps most people from doing the “maintenance” required to keep a BMW running correctly. Again, I’ve owned 3 and always kept up on the maintenance. I’d say my wife and I had spent more that $7k each in repairs and maintenance over the last two years of ownership of an X5 and X3, both of which had under 90k. I have friends that have owned them and it the same thing. Look, they’re great driving vehicles, but they become either trash or money pits. Maybe I’m wrong and these Supras will be collectors some day. Or, they’ll be collectors, but like the old M5. What a marvel of engineering.
I love the new Z. I bought a 2024 Performance manual with 6000 miles on it so I didn't have to pay the $50k+ MSRP. This is my 5th Z car. FYI- This car is built on the same platform as the 370z, which is NOT the same as the 350z. 350z Z33 platform was built on the 1st generation FM platform. Z34 and RZ34 are built on the 2nd gen FM platform. 350z has a longer wheelbase than the 370z and new Z, which share the same wheelbase.
I like the design concepts of the interior better than a new M2 or something where there is just a big Samsung screen in your face. I guess I am old school. Maybe they could use some better materials here or there.
People really like to trash on the supra cuz its part beamer, I guess. It's still a really nice car. Too bad they only made like 500 models with M/T. The Z is a little easier to get with a manual, from my knowledge.
@@lawnmower6591 Just an FYI, there are more than 500 units of the MT supras. There's only 500 of the special edition* A91 supras, and technically even less than that cause I hear some fell off a cargo ship and are at the bottom of the ocean lol.
@Scott Wilson mb I had the wrong info, but I do know that there were few made. I also read that's it's only available in one trim, which is the 6 banger. Bro that's a fat L, in regard to the cargo ships. Like that's a juicy nutritious L.
Don't care if it's Japanese through and through. It is a massive let down for the price and it's performance. In fact, this and the Supra were on my list. And I didn't buy the Z, I'll tell you that much. And... I didn't buy the Supra either because it too had flaws, not as fatal as the Z, but still bad enough. Had to buy a freaking Camaro 2SS 1LE instead. It beats up the Supra on the track, it beats up the Z cruising. Better manual transmission, and sounds great under load. And as a bonus, throw my booster seat in back for my son to ride in and bond with on cruises. It doesn't look as good as the Z, but it's not terrible looking like some of the Supra's parts. A shame people slept on the SS 1LE.
For the price you cant beat the ss 1le, I am with this guy, but if i had to choose between the Z or supra, it'd be the supra all day. Just compare the underside of each car and you'll notice the over-engineering that bmw and toyota have developed.
It’s ridiculous, “pre owned” market and out of state dealerships have been selling for more reasonable prices from what I’ve seen in the facebook z groups though.
This is a 12 day old video still showing preproduction reviews when the Z was supposed to be making production vehicles 7 months ago! At this point... it's not worth giving the Z ANY PRESS... They don't deserve it.
Bro it’s out right now. Might have to call a few places to find it a MSRP but they are out there for those who really want it. They also had some recall issues that delayed it another 3 months so at least we are getting another Z generation! Enjoy it while we still can
@vivablitzkrieg You just proved my point. Read what I wrote behind your answer. A year later and they only have Z's for "those who really want it?". Meaning those willing to bend over n take it with no gel. A 25k markup & 7.75% financing. With that it's a car for idiots. Buy an M2 and get what you pay for.
A number of people will say that Supra is faster and handles better than the Z, however, I believe further down the track we will see a Nismo Z which will compete with the Supra in terms of handling and acceleration.
@@kobedabest jdm is real car zupra it knock off Supra real Supra 1990-1998 was slow stock 320 horsepower Heavier new z is real jdm has lot of More potential And reliable nissan is real daddy they made car by there self because they make real sport cars Toyota should made own car by put in Camry trd motor in then be 100 percent Toyota more Reliable then call a Supra !!
My thoughts are simple. It's a Japanese sports car, that is actually Japanese. Simple as that. I love the Z because it's Japanese and dislike the new pretend Supra because it's just a badged Z4 M Couple 2nd Gen. Toyota promised us sushi and instead gave us bratwurst. Nissan promised sushi and gave us sushi. Literally the only thing I have sort of a gripe for Nissan is that there isn't a smaller engine option for those of us who don't want 400 bhp, 3.0 Liter. I'd absolutely adore having a 2.0 or even a 2.4 inline 4 under the hood of it with around 260-300 bhp.
No 4 cylinder engine belongs in a Z. Hopefully Nissan will bring back a new 240sx with a 250 to 280 hp 4 cylinder engine. I may opt for that if it looks good.
@@Dominik189 probably not but at one time Mazda, about 30 years ago, put a tiny smooth running v6 under the hood of one of their compact sports cars. I believe it displaced only 1.8 liters and pumped out 130 hp.
@@marvinmurakami8828 i wish Nissan would remember the 2.0 options because the fuck off sized engines have always kept me from buying a modern one thus far. Especially since I grew up with a 200ZR Z31 in the closer extended family as my uncle had one. I loved that car. It was epic. I'm seriously considering this new Z because of it's smaller engine, but the power number leaves me torn as I really do not need nor want a car that makes more than 300 bhp, especially because bhp is taxed in my country and above 300 bhp the registration gets prohibitively expensive, we're talking over 1200€
Not many of us have driven the inline-6 Z. I'm I my 50s and have only driven the V6 versions. The inline-6 has a unique sound and power delivery but their V6 was amazing. This VR engine definitely needs an exhaust to give it more soul without being obnoxious.
At this point, you'd need to be a boomer to remember the Z with an inline 6 VS witnessing one with it. The Z had a V6 since 1983, meaning that MOST Zs had a V6. A lot more than there existed Datsun L24s, L26s, and L28s of the late 60s and early 70s. 2.5 generations had an inline, 5.5 had a V
No mention of the clutch. High engagement, low? Didn’t see any heel-to-tow down shifts. Rev matching? Another crap review of the manual transmission Z.
I have been a Nissan Z fan and owned a 300ZX, 350Z, and 370Z and loved them all. I am retired now so I am not driving nearly as much as I used to, but when I saw this new model of the Z come out I was totally disappointed. The styling is terrible and not nearly as aggressive as the 370Z, and the interior is also just a slightly improved computer version of the 370Z. I was ready to buy a new car and after seeing this went back to a 370Z, and if I were still working and wanted something brand new I would go with the Toyota Supra. I know Nissan has been having a rough time in recent years, but turning out an ugly piece of crap like this is not going to help their struggle. If I were the CEO I would fire the design team that worked on this car.
Weird take, see lots of negativity about the Z but you are the first person to take such offense to the looks.. That's usually what everyone likes about the car lol
So you would take the lesser car than the better car cause it's a JDM. Even though Nissan cheap out with such an old chassis. Welp... The GR86 was giving the Z the business around the track. Yea... No thanks, I'm taking the superior car everytime.
@@josephtejeda854 that's the thing, though, the VR30 has plenty of potential as well, it's the same block as the VR38DETT, and comes with factory twin turbos. Swap some bolt ons from a GT-R and a tune and you're probably breaking 700 horses. I'm not saying the B58 is a bad engine, I actually commend it, but Nissan knows how to find tune their engines better than Toyota knows how to find tune BMW engines. Let's also not forget that the Z is so much cheaper than the Supra, so you could buy a bae Z, and with the money saved, slap on some bolt ons and tires and be WAY faster than the Supra. Again, I'm not saying the Supra is a bad car, not by any means, I'm just saying that the Z for the money is better.
Stock for stock both make 380hp. base model z sport with manual is about 42,000 shipped, 3.0 Supra manual is gonna run close to 54,000 shipped. You could be making in the 600’s + some good tires and suspension with that 12k difference.
Perhaps. You do realize that it’s most likely even less costly to enhance the Supra🤔 I just received mine about a month ago. ECU dump tune and an HKS carbon CAI and it’s pushing 467 at the wheels👍🏻 Anyway, all good. I truly feel for the Z guys. Because this car isn’t it🤷🏼♂️
I owned a twin turbo 300zx. This might be my next car
I had a 95 Supra; Z's were my enemy on the road (and everything else) but now I would only buy another MKIV or this Z. Kudos to Nissan for building their own car, it's an impressive ride.
Excellent..excellent video!!💪
I would buy the Z over the Supra, seems a better option for those looking for a GT vehicle. In my 40s and not looking to race in a track often, so this seems the better option for me. I was a fan of the old Supra and the 300z, this also feels closer to those models.
The boot is quite a bit bigger in the supra, I owned the 370z Nismo and the new supra. The supra had alot more torque
Great feedback on dampers. Good detail
Thanks!
The Z is special. Absolutely love the design!
Wife and I have a '94 300ZX, she's a big Nissan fan and has been looking forward to the new Z. Great video! We also live about 20 miles north of the road where you shot the video, it's one of the best in the area.
If you're ever in the area and have time for a longer loop, the road through Pine / Deckers / Woodland Park runs parallel and is also really good.
Love that route you’re referring to!
Thats nice James for u My brother had a 1989 Nissan 300ZX
Ben, I have been interested in buying a C8, but I have always been bothered by the fact that you never see ten year old Corvettes on the road as the engines disintegrate. Coupled with the $10K dealer markups, I have given up, period, never again. But I stumbled across your VIDEO AND WOW! I had a 1984 280ZX 2+2 and this brings back the memories. Your REVIEW is UNIQUE because you know the Z's prior foibles, and you compare & contrast them from wisdom. Nobody else! Only you! You are FANTASTIC!
Good review
I love this car and it looks stunning in this blue plus you have the manual! Nice! Both this and the Supra in a manual IMHO are modern-day classics and people will be kicking themselves in the future if they had an opportunity to get one but didn't.
If you want to hear a real stock exhaust look at a Lexus LC 500 coupe with performance pack ? Great video I might buy one to daily
I'm dying to know what they're gonna do with the Skyline. Are we gonna get a v40 Skyline/Infiniti G40?
Effortless to get to 100mph. Love that feeling.
Smooth heel toe shifts. Looks brilliant to me. I think the dealer markups will be the problem.
I like both, but as you mentioned... I want a Japanese Japanese car. I'm sure the Supra is amazing. I can wait for the Nismo Z, I'm currently in a LC500 as my coupe.
I'm also glad you mentioned the 911 being an evolutionary car versus a revolution with each generation.
My money went toward a manual Supra.
I can't imagine being so hung up on the perceived legacy of a car that I would ignore every other detail of the vehicle. If the car looks good and performs well who cares where it was made.
Hopefully Toyota checked BMW’s work. As someone who’s owned 3 BMWs and will never own another, I’m expecting to start hearing about longevity issues with internal parts on the new Supra. That being said, I love the Supra… just don’t trust BMW.
@@Jetes233 it's a B58. Been out since 2015 and is one of the best modern engines available. Not a lot of cause for concern, really.
@@sixbrokenstrings7322
So, it’s just the block, not all the plastics that funnel coolant to cool the engine? What about the water pump, head gaskets, oil pan gaskets, coils? You know, the parts that fail within 50-65k on most BMWs. Give it some time, the honeymoon period is almost over.
@@Jetes233 I know plenty of the modified being pushed every day with no issues. Maintenance is key.
@@Anon_Fox
Maintenance is changing your oil, not replacing plastics and gaskets every 40k. Plus, the labor expense is what keeps most people from doing the “maintenance” required to keep a BMW running correctly. Again, I’ve owned 3 and always kept up on the maintenance. I’d say my wife and I had spent more that $7k each in repairs and maintenance over the last two years of ownership of an X5 and X3, both of which had under 90k. I have friends that have owned them and it the same thing. Look, they’re great driving vehicles, but they become either trash or money pits. Maybe I’m wrong and these Supras will be collectors some day. Or, they’ll be collectors, but like the old M5. What a marvel of engineering.
I love the new Z. I bought a 2024 Performance manual with 6000 miles on it so I didn't have to pay the $50k+ MSRP. This is my 5th Z car. FYI- This car is built on the same platform as the 370z, which is NOT the same as the 350z. 350z Z33 platform was built on the 1st generation FM platform. Z34 and RZ34 are built on the 2nd gen FM platform. 350z has a longer wheelbase than the 370z and new Z, which share the same wheelbase.
Base Sport, if ever produced, Rosewood with added spoiler & frameless rear view, $42,000
I like the design concepts of the interior better than a new M2 or something where there is just a big Samsung screen in your face. I guess I am old school. Maybe they could use some better materials here or there.
How much was the price of this car?
People saying the Supra isn’t a good car must not know there’s a 1000hp supra with a almost all stock b58. Some people just like to talk…
People really like to trash on the supra cuz its part beamer, I guess. It's still a really nice car. Too bad they only made like 500 models with M/T. The Z is a little easier to get with a manual, from my knowledge.
@@lawnmower6591 Just an FYI, there are more than 500 units of the MT supras. There's only 500 of the special edition* A91 supras, and technically even less than that cause I hear some fell off a cargo ship and are at the bottom of the ocean lol.
@Scott Wilson mb I had the wrong info, but I do know that there were few made. I also read that's it's only available in one trim, which is the 6 banger. Bro that's a fat L, in regard to the cargo ships. Like that's a juicy nutritious L.
@@Skizzy461 that’s prob all the burnout a91s I can’t find
They are the same people the complain about bmw making the motor...as if Toyota downgraded
the only think I like more about the Z than the Supra MK5 is the steering wheel
Yes it is better because it is actually a Nissan product. Not a bmw with a badge swap. There is no question.
Don't care if it's Japanese through and through. It is a massive let down for the price and it's performance. In fact, this and the Supra were on my list. And I didn't buy the Z, I'll tell you that much. And... I didn't buy the Supra either because it too had flaws, not as fatal as the Z, but still bad enough. Had to buy a freaking Camaro 2SS 1LE instead. It beats up the Supra on the track, it beats up the Z cruising. Better manual transmission, and sounds great under load. And as a bonus, throw my booster seat in back for my son to ride in and bond with on cruises. It doesn't look as good as the Z, but it's not terrible looking like some of the Supra's parts. A shame people slept on the SS 1LE.
For the price you cant beat the ss 1le, I am with this guy, but if i had to choose between the Z or supra, it'd be the supra all day. Just compare the underside of each car and you'll notice the over-engineering that bmw and toyota have developed.
Nissan z super!
Dealership in my area is charging 20k over list price
It’s ridiculous, “pre owned” market and out of state dealerships have been selling for more reasonable prices from what I’ve seen in the facebook z groups though.
One thing the car is missing - vented seats.
Nice car! Personally I prefer a supra!
For the lack of modern options on the inside of the car, the price of this should be AT LEAST $10k less. Never mind the outrageous dealer mark ups.
This car is getting beat in a race in every video on RUclips. I would go with the Supra
What is the HP of old Z and the present Z is there any differents with the HP ☺
370z is 330ish hp and this one is 400
This is a 12 day old video still showing preproduction reviews when the Z was supposed to be making production vehicles 7 months ago!
At this point... it's not worth giving the Z ANY PRESS... They don't deserve it.
Bro it’s out right now. Might have to call a few places to find it a MSRP but they are out there for those who really want it.
They also had some recall issues that delayed it another 3 months so at least we are getting another Z generation! Enjoy it while we still can
@vivablitzkrieg You just proved my point. Read what I wrote behind your answer. A year later and they only have Z's for "those who really want it?". Meaning those willing to bend over n take it with no gel. A 25k markup & 7.75% financing. With that it's a car for idiots. Buy an M2 and get what you pay for.
I would take the 400 z rather then supra cover by m4
omg I didn't know this car was this bad damn. lol
the car been out a while now so yes its on sale lol
A number of people will say that Supra is faster and handles better than the Z, however, I believe further down the track we will see a Nismo Z which will compete with the Supra in terms of handling and acceleration.
Probably... But the cost will be so much more than a Supra
So a special edition that adds 10k to the price is what is needed...but y'all right,this thing is better
Nismo z? Should be vs supra grmn
Supra will always be faster
@@javierrosario6372 z’s been putting down some impressive numbers
I like the BMW Supra. It's such an incredible looking vehicle.
Z is real jdm Of course z !
Too bad being a JDM didn't saved it. Heavier than a Supra, slower than a Supra, can't corner better than a Supra... Yea... Give me the German car
@@kobedabest jdm is real car zupra it knock off Supra real Supra 1990-1998 was slow stock 320 horsepower Heavier new z is real jdm has lot of More potential And reliable nissan is real daddy they made car by there self because they make real sport cars Toyota should made own car by put in Camry trd motor in then be 100 percent Toyota more Reliable then call a Supra !!
True because The Toyota Supra came out in 1978
@@kobedabest Might aswell go buy a BMW mate
My thoughts are simple. It's a Japanese sports car, that is actually Japanese. Simple as that. I love the Z because it's Japanese and dislike the new pretend Supra because it's just a badged Z4 M Couple 2nd Gen. Toyota promised us sushi and instead gave us bratwurst. Nissan promised sushi and gave us sushi. Literally the only thing I have sort of a gripe for Nissan is that there isn't a smaller engine option for those of us who don't want 400 bhp, 3.0 Liter. I'd absolutely adore having a 2.0 or even a 2.4 inline 4 under the hood of it with around 260-300 bhp.
No 4 cylinder engine belongs in a Z.
Hopefully Nissan will bring back a new 240sx with a 250 to 280 hp 4 cylinder engine. I may opt for that if it looks good.
@@marvinmurakami8828 ... Well there's no chance of a 6 cyl under 3 liters nowadays and I'd prefer a 2.0 Z
@@Dominik189 probably not but at one time Mazda, about 30 years ago, put a tiny smooth running v6 under the hood of one of their compact sports cars. I believe it displaced only 1.8 liters and pumped out 130 hp.
@@marvinmurakami8828 the Z had 2.0 liter options in Japan all the way to the Z32, only with the 350Z did they stop it
@@marvinmurakami8828 i wish Nissan would remember the 2.0 options because the fuck off sized engines have always kept me from buying a modern one thus far. Especially since I grew up with a 200ZR Z31 in the closer extended family as my uncle had one. I loved that car. It was epic. I'm seriously considering this new Z because of it's smaller engine, but the power number leaves me torn as I really do not need nor want a car that makes more than 300 bhp, especially because bhp is taxed in my country and above 300 bhp the registration gets prohibitively expensive, we're talking over 1200€
The z baby supra is a bmw z4 same engine same rear end spoilers look the sale shape
Supra still doesn't have android auto so that's a no go for me.
Agree supra and apple suck butt
SUPRA
May i know that Supra have twin turbo like the Z
Answer: Supra does not have twin turbos. The B58 inline six has one (twin-scroll) turbo.
Supra looks better and outperforms the Z so I would go with Supra.
The Supra just looks more special.
Supra do be looking delicious, the aftermarket kits for this car have been pretty tasty as well tho.
Better looking than ALMOST all of my women 😏🤓
I thought the z was RWD but when you launched it looked like you had front wheel spin, I hope not.
The z only comes in rwd
Not possible to "sound like a z" with a v6 under the hood. An i6 has a VERY unique sound that NO v6 can replicate
Maybe not but a set of Borlas or Magnaflows will definitely improve the sound.
Not many of us have driven the inline-6 Z. I'm I my 50s and have only driven the V6 versions. The inline-6 has a unique sound and power delivery but their V6 was amazing.
This VR engine definitely needs an exhaust to give it more soul without being obnoxious.
At this point, you'd need to be a boomer to remember the Z with an inline 6 VS witnessing one with it. The Z had a V6 since 1983, meaning that MOST Zs had a V6. A lot more than there existed Datsun L24s, L26s, and L28s of the late 60s and early 70s. 2.5 generations had an inline, 5.5 had a V
They've had V6 engines for decades.
No mention of the clutch. High engagement, low? Didn’t see any heel-to-tow down shifts. Rev matching? Another crap review of the manual transmission Z.
I would pick the supra z4
I guess Bro you are not getting that Z Lady feel 😂
Kesangaten jepang vs Asia hahahahaha
If you really really really want a Toyota engine in your supra, just drop a new 2JZ engine and be done with it, just my opinion k
I Do take this more than a supra any day Obviously
I have been a Nissan Z fan and owned a 300ZX, 350Z, and 370Z and loved them all. I am retired now so I am not driving nearly as much as I used to, but when I saw this new model of the Z come out I was totally disappointed. The styling is terrible and not nearly as aggressive as the 370Z, and the interior is also just a slightly improved computer version of the 370Z. I was ready to buy a new car and after seeing this went back to a 370Z, and if I were still working and wanted something brand new I would go with the Toyota Supra. I know Nissan has been having a rough time in recent years, but turning out an ugly piece of crap like this is not going to help their struggle. If I were the CEO I would fire the design team that worked on this car.
Weird take, see lots of negativity about the Z but you are the first person to take such offense to the looks.. That's usually what everyone likes about the car lol
the new z is very slow
So you would take the lesser car than the better car cause it's a JDM. Even though Nissan cheap out with such an old chassis. Welp... The GR86 was giving the Z the business around the track. Yea... No thanks, I'm taking the superior car everytime.
Seriously the b58 is an amazing motor with a couple bolt ons and a good tune you’re at 600-7 whp. Let slow people be slow😂
@@josephtejeda854 that's the thing, though, the VR30 has plenty of potential as well, it's the same block as the VR38DETT, and comes with factory twin turbos. Swap some bolt ons from a GT-R and a tune and you're probably breaking 700 horses.
I'm not saying the B58 is a bad engine, I actually commend it, but Nissan knows how to find tune their engines better than Toyota knows how to find tune BMW engines.
Let's also not forget that the Z is so much cheaper than the Supra, so you could buy a bae Z, and with the money saved, slap on some bolt ons and tires and be WAY faster than the Supra.
Again, I'm not saying the Supra is a bad car, not by any means, I'm just saying that the Z for the money is better.
If you were talking the Supra I'd be taking you seriously right now... But then you said GR86. 🙄 🤣
@@izzyiz810 🤣
3 digits…. B58 😂
Supra is a BMW ...
Cool exterior. The interior is horrible and cheap looking.
Z Car. The Supra is too bulbous.
Supras are butt ugly compared to this car. Also, who cares which is the better car on the track? This car has more capability than I’ll ever use.
This car doesn’t compare to the Supra🥴
Stock for stock both make 380hp. base model z sport with manual is about 42,000 shipped, 3.0 Supra manual is gonna run close to 54,000 shipped. You could be making in the 600’s + some good tires and suspension with that 12k difference.
Perhaps. You do realize that it’s most likely even less costly to enhance the Supra🤔 I just received mine about a month ago. ECU dump tune and an HKS carbon CAI and it’s pushing 467 at the wheels👍🏻
Anyway, all good. I truly feel for the Z guys. Because this car isn’t it🤷🏼♂️