Countering DONK bets in Poker
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Bart and the caller today discuss a spot where the Hero is donked into over three streets holding AA and is put in a difficult spot at the end.
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The general strategy versus donk bets is raise when you have air and call when you have value. Essentially they're just fishing for information, so give them what they want to find out. Make them think you have them beat when you don't, and make them think you're weak when you aren't. Donk bets are almost always nothing more than bottom to middle pair
In the casino i play most people donkbet with top pair and huge draws
@@ramoncastanos1674 then they're idiots losing all value. Why would you lead into the initial raiser and give him an opportunity to fold with TP + draw
@@ticenits1926 they say when they have a made hand because they don't want to be outdrawed🤣
What do you do when you don't have top pair? Say on Q/10/4 opp leads and you have pocket 9's to pocket 5's?
@@101TDA in the casino I play I instafold, they play super unbalanced and easy to know when they have and when they not
It's good to be on the receiving end of a punt sometimes.
Feels like it’s a really big piece of a decent win rate.
This would be a tough one vs a tight player, but as soon as hero described the guy as a LAG I don’t see how it can ever be a fold.
Why? The only hand a tight player would call a raise from early position with is 88…
@@moneymikz and even with 88, would they donk bet the flop into 3 players? Perhaps I guess. It’s a pretty good flop for 88. Don’t want it to check through.
I think a tight player could also have 33 and 22 since they’re in the BB closing the action preflop. Seems reasonable to set mine?
But even then that’s only 5 combos. Issue is, what bluffs do you think a tight player has by the river?
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 I’m not sure I’d call someone who donks the flop with all the Axdd and then triple barrel bluffs a tight player. I guess you can argue tight doesn’t mean passive. Let’s say nit then.
Tbf even against a nit I still call and get shown 88 every time 😂
But I think you could make the case for a (very exploitable) fold.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zjA tight player or nit in the BB is not going to donk into 4 players on the flop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj pocket 7s through pocket Kings could be betting for value and not think it’s a bluff
Calling that donk bet fits my motto "If they bet for information, _lie_ to them
That's a sharp tack 🐎
Bart, your logic skills are top notch. That’s why I were watching lol. You’re the best keep it coming
I think if you keep only learning from these super-special spots that usually end up being 1%'ers you actually don't learn that much. It's not about winning these special hands once in tough situations, but winning most of them over a lot of hands. Seems like it's a 50/50 if they have the nuts or are bluffing, and there's only so much that is useful with studying these types of spots.
These are however the spots that would make or break your bank.
love the analysis and I think it was quite accurate. I think tough that KK through 99 are better called than AA because of A5 and A4 but having the As is good because you don't block the gut shut back door draw with A5 and A4 but let's say with Ad and Ah or Ac I would have fold unless I know vilain it way out of line
LAG isn't a good strategy in higher stakes against opponents of somewhat equal skill. But at lower stakes against less skilled players (especially those that might be scared of big pots, and might be especially scared of a big $700 bet on the river and fold almost everything), LAG can be an effective strategy.
My first time here, man i love the analysis. New subscriber here, thanks for the vid
FYI Rivers is in “Des Plaines, IL”, not “Des Plans”.
I don't really see any options in this hand. If we don't call with AA here, then what would we ever call with? It's not really feasible to simply fold to pure aggression. Hence the MDF Bart often mentions.
I love that the backdrop on Bart’s video are The Lodge.
Bart!! I didn’t know you also went to Syracuse. I graduated in 2020 & took that same Philosophy 102 “Logic” course lol
I took that similar Philosophy class lol, called "Critical Thinking" at UMBC.
Seemed like a straightforward easy hand/call, no analysis needed
Must’ve been a slow news day at CrushlivePoker. If you can’t call on this board when can you call with aces??
But when I have aces here, they flip over 43o. And there are eight thousand more combos of 43 than 65. Give or take.
Good hand when you think about it you just have to call. If they played 88 or 23o like this than they just have it. You beat every other hand that isn't quads.
Seems like everytime someone calls in from Rivers, Bart looks perplexed and asks if they've called in before recently 😂 To his credit, he was correct this time. Still, Chicagoland is one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the country and it's our only in-state casino poker room. Definitely going to hear more from Rivers-Des Plaines, get used to it!
Elgin and Aurora also have poker rooms.
There are no A 3 suited left,I like it.
Is there any difference between a flop xr, bet, bet line from the BB as opposed to the line he took? I'm not a fan of donk bets, but, I don't actually mind it in this case from V. I mean, considering it's 5 ways, this might get checked around a TON otf, and the BB had a huge range advantage imo.
I don’t know that it’s obvious Hero only has an overpair on the turn. I think Broadway diamonds definitely calls the donk bet on the flop, and I’d call the turn if I had diamond suited over cards picking up a flush draw. Having an overpair is definitely likely, but if I were in Villain’s situation here, I’d probably fire a river bet to prevent losing to an unpaired over card.
I feel like villain having overpairs makes sense also. He can totally have 99+ here, especially if he is not a 3 better.
To that end, his line sucks so hard for having a 3 or boating the 8, so is a river shove ever reasonable to target those pocket 10 type hands?
Considering it looks so much like we have an overpair, his line surely is actually extremely profitable with a 3 or better
I got donked so hard yesterday late in a tourney. Villain won a huge pot and was new chip lead at our table. I was BB with pocket fives and he put me all in to scoop up my BB (which were big at this point in the tourney) I called and he turned over 3/2. He Flopped a 2 and rivered trip 2’s. I almost broke my computer I was so mad lol.
Cool story bro
Bro cool story
@@calebrandal8915 😂😂
@@calebrandal8915 lol it was was just a mad frustrating way to end 6 hours of my life. I was the last spot before getting in the money too. Fml 🤦♂️ 😂
That's ONLINE poker, man! What did you expect? In that poker the amount of Bad beats beats the LAW of PROBABILITY! Poor Law of Probability feels completely helpless! 😿
Well I already commented about this in your previous video, but theres some content that could be made out of the semi drama from the last hustler live game from last night. Batman vs Eric. I think it may require a little bit of research and looking into exactly their history but there seems to be a great interest in the comment section about it, therefore potentially great content.
Do you know about what time it was during the stream? So I can go look for it?
You get like 6-7 per table at the lodge.... it's hard to beat that many bad players at 1 table
This was a good video
I put Villian on 45 Diamonds
These are the ones I’ll never understand. With so little invested in the pot for the BB, why start pumping so much into the pot with insanely little equity? Just move on. There’s *_WAY_* better spots. Lol
This felt like a semi bluff or full bluff the entire way. Everything he did. And you had blockers to A3. There's never a time I'm folding there
I'm not likely folding either, but leading into that many people with a bluff is horrific.
I’d call the river
almost sounded like A2DD
Haven't finished video but I jam the extra 400
free money baby
“this guy is a good reg” proceeds to describe a terrible player
Bert Holman
I would've folded
Stopped at 10:00. I call the river bet and do not raise. A raise will only be called by a better hand.
Foe could have anything from an over pair to just a bluff. Yes, a 2 or a 3 will be here sometimes, but 4x5x will be here a ton, plus the crazy aggro hands you'll see from a LAG at low stakes.
Often these players will simply bet three streets because they think so many people will fold.
2:47 What am I missing? Aren't there 2? A3dd and A3hh?
The 3h and 3d are on the board. There are no possible A3 suited he can hold
@@jeffk393 and that sir is called a brain fart. LOL thanks!
@@jeffk393 V does not need A3s to have best hand.
@@pot_kivach160 no one said that. The conversation was "There's no A3 suited combos possible". You're having a completely different conversation.
I’m about 5 minutes in… If the caller doesnt try to get all the money in at some point, hes made a big mistake… lol
What a horrible donk lead by V. I'd much rather check-raise flop, then blast away. It may not work anyway, but at least it would look more credible.
If you’re thinking about folding aces on this board, which board is safe?? Pretty standard call 🥱
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