MCU Phase 5 Can Introduce 10 Villains Stronger Than Thanos
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- We’re right in the middle of Phase 4 of the MCU right now and we’re just starting to dive into all the multiverse shenanigans that will probably dominate the franchise for the next few years. And yes while the multiverse is a huge deal and we’re just starting to get into Kang-mania, I can’t help but look forward to what comes after Phase 4. We live in an era of speculation and relentless theories about what the future holds that it sometimes takes away from what’s happening right now, but it’s still fun to talk about! Which is why this video is all about the next big bad who will rock the MCU to its very core in Phase 5.
So if we think Kang will be the main villain of Phase 4 right now, then the question becomes what does the phase after hold? That’s what this list will discuss today! And yes, I’m leaving off some big villains like Galactus and Doctor Doom who will most likely show up in Phase 4 at some point. If I was a betting man, I’d put money on a big X-Men villain being the big bad of Phase 5. It would provide the perfect bridge to unite the Avengers and the X-Men, but just what would that look like? Could we get a redo of the villain Apocalypse? I could see that making sense. Apocalypse does have close ties to Kang the Conqueror so maybe that would be a natural bridge. Or would another X-Men villain like Onslaught make sense? And if we set aside X-Men villains, could other long-awaited villains show up? Like Mephisto or Morlun? There’s a lot of options!
So join me today as I break down all these different villain options and what Phase 5 will look like! After you’re done, be sure to hit that big like and subscribe button for more awesome MCU content like this. And leave a comment to or else we’ll never see Galactus in the MCU! Don’t want that right? Better not risk it! Thanks for watching CBR! Let’s get started.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:31 Phase 4 Villains
02:28 Apocalypse
04:39 Annihilus
05:59 Beyonder
07:25 Onslaught
09:01 Korvac
09:51 Mephisto
10:59 Morlun
12:00 Phoenix Force
13:00 New Thanos
14:19 Molecule Man
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Agreed that Doom needs to be slowly introduced, and properly developed. His character has depth, true depth, and needs to be treated as such. Same with Apocalypse.
I don’t get the doom love. He is overrated mo.
What happened to Doom in the previous Fantastic 4 movie is a borderline crime
Which FF? The new one?
@@freddiemercury2075 doing him comic accurate him would be goofy. He constantly refers to himself in the third person. He also talks to himself and makes needlessly circuitous plans that eventually fail. Then he constantly wears a metal mask on his face to hide a scar that he acquired by putting that very same metal mask while it was extremely hot and newly formed. That’s something an 5 year old would know not to do.
@@christianrapper he broke the fourth wall
I really want a properly done Dr. Doom in the MCU. I wonder if they will be making him an antithesis of Iron Man/Dr. Strange. Raised in humble beginnings, baptized by war and poverty, and once he sees the opportunity through sorcery, he decides to unite the world under his image while building a suit of armour around himself.
Considering Iron Man is no more and from what we have in comics, Doom can have three rivals or antithesis. Strange (sorcery), Reed (technology) and Black Panther (kings of rival nations)
@DJ The Infinite Gamer bingo. This is exactly why Doom needs to be more than just a F4 villain. His reach on the Marvel universe needs to be felt over numerous corners of the universe, interacting with lots of characters
@@rileyribble6733 you are completely right
Lord Doom for the gold Alex!!!
Im calling they have another 10 year plan and it will culminate into secret wars/battleworld. This will allow them to creat a single universe with heroes from other universes entering ours. This could lead to a Jackman return as Old man Logan and hand it down to a younger Logan or x23. It can cherry pick non-mcu characters into the MCU if it wanted to. Leaves a lot of room for adding new characters or even pulling established Fox characters like deadpool/Cable and Colossus
The next big villain doesn't necessary have to be stronger than thanos they just have to be good enough to keep the audience interested.
PHASE 6 should be tho
Nah it gotta be
@@00daedae00 - Agreed.. We need a “how could the heroes possibly win” moment.
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Doom was millions times stronger than thanos and he ripped his spines during secret wars saga.
I would love to see the Fear Itself storyline being adapted into the MCU. It could be like Captain America: Civil War where while it WOULD be a Thor movie we would still se the MCU’s other heroes. I also think it could delve into Thor’s thoughts of his father’s skeletons in his closet. It would also be a cool way to see multiple villains together like Titania.
I hope with everything in my soul after Thor’s fight with Gor they go into Original Sin and the Man on the Wall. Pass off Nick as the Man on the Wall and have him fight everyone with secrets. Have the title pass to Bucky when he is defeated. Would be a great way to send of the Nick Fury character.
I want to see more broken Thor like in endgame and Unworthy Thor after the Original Sin arch. The whisper that breaks Thor and makes him unworthy will be chilling a chilling scene.
@@RELAXcowboy actually fat Thor is actually BASED on Unworthy Thor’s design. Compare the two and you will see it. I’m aware of how iconic that scene is to that storyline but Thor has already stormbreaker which would weigh down the impact of what GORR would do since posters show that he mostly still uses Stormbreaker and in endgame preferred it over Mjolnir so…
@@antonissa8345 I see where you are coming from. stormbreaker does throw a wrench into things. They could introduce beta ray bill and find a way to get storm breaker to him since it is his weapon in the comics. Damn, with this multiverse shit happening they could introduce a new hammer like the Ultimate Mjolnir. This would explain a way to make Jane a Thor since MCU Mjolnir is destroyed. But also put the hate twist on the hammer like when Volstagg used it to become War Thor. (Also the fact that the Ultimate Hammer has a piece of Asgard in it in case of it’s destruction so it can be rebuilt). A lot of things about the Ultimate Mjolnir would help with the way the story has gone so far.
Tbh, I'm really worried for the future of the mcu. The infinity saga had the advantage of being grounded to some extent and, though some movies fell flat, almost all of the movies felt engaging, relatable and very interconnected. Every movie contributed to the larger story and it all paid off in Endgame. However, the concept of the multiverse is very hard to explain. It will definitely create plotholes and that may cause inconsistencies to the story. But in Kevin Feige we trust
How is the multiverse complicated to explain?. There exists an infinite collection of universes where alternate versions of the same person may exist. These alternate versions may or may not look identical to each other and may or may not have the same morals. I think it's very simple to understand, but perhaps you mean something different, so explain it to me?
I think by the end of this phase 5 they’ll find a way to seal up the multi verse. I hope the new Dr.Strange movie introduces that idea.
@Searching for Ufos He who remains
Bad guys working together is always fun to watch, your right. I'd like to see more villains teaming up.
Same
Honestly i could see the MCU introduce any of these huge villains and storylines at this point just because of how wild the MCU feels at the moment. I'd personally love to see Annihulus and the annihilation wave storyline. If they do this it would also make sense to introduce galactus since he's a part of the annihilation wave storyline in the comics
Mephisto and Dr. Doom are the most interesting and relatable. What would be even more interesting is to have both working together, but behind the scenes, both trying to take advantage of one another. The combination of backstory, lore, spirtualism, technology, and mysticism would be the ultimate storyline.
How is Mephisto relatable? He is the literal devil.
@@christianrapper Nah fam, he's worse. The devil is Lucifer Morningstar, he sometimes hangs out and chills with John Constantine. Mephisto is the literal personification of an alien race's suffering and anger.
@@joeshmoe6908 that’s DC. There is a devil in Marvel too.
I want a Dr. Doom that lasts for a long time in the mcu not just 1 movie
I’m anxious for more.
Dr Doom needs to have his own movie, imo, in order to have a good introduction to him.
I think i like the Secret wars being adapted for a whole phase idea. And the trilogy is awesome as well. I think all these ideas could be done if everything was set up right. Since Multiverse Of Madness is already on its way, this can actually be a way to start a secret wars event. Having a trilogy with solo movies of each charecter for the event like the comics. Having spin offs movies which connects to the main trilogy.
Considering it just went from the Scarlet Witch to Gorr the God Butcher I would say they are definitely going heavy on the big bads.
I would love to see Doom become the final villain of the MCU. Let’s do Kang vs Young Avengers, and then for Avengers 5,6,7 be focused upon or called “Secret Wars”, “Battleworld,” and “Doom” respectively. All leading to a final battle with God Doom in order to set the multiverse back to the way it needs to be.
It is happening
Dr. Doom needs his own movie so does Silver Surfer and they need to do them justice
I actually had the idea that the infinity stones would go into the universe as raw energy (since energy cannot be created or destroyed, and would materialize after time. And that the reality stone would create the beyonder, the time stone would be discovered by Kang, the space stone would be used by Ahnilus, the mind stone would be used by Dr Doom.The soul stone would animate Adam warlock, and that Korvac would receive the power stones power. And then the stones would be taken to where they could never be used again.
A "New Thanos" as part of the Illuminati in Dr Strange MoM would be pretty cool to see.
My ideas for a phase 5 villain basically come from the fact that an overarching villain needs either subordinates or a manipulative scheme.
(In my opinion, a lone villain works better for single movies, a trilogy if you stretch it.)
So, I agree with several villains mentioned in the video:
* The Beyonder, pitching heroes versus villains, or heroes from different universes.
* The Phoenix Force, triggering AvX.
* Mephisto also works pretty well. He has ties with characters from multiple teams so he can tie a whole "phase" together.
* My favorite pick, the only one not mentioned in the video: the Magus and/or the Goddess, though they need Adam Warlock to be introduced first. And they have both been defeated through clever schemes and not simply overpowering them, despite having basically some of the broadest alliance of heroes against them.
* My exception to my own rule above would be The Void. He could be teased by several events that he triggered from behind the scenes (e.g. Hulk's rampage) before being actually revealed, but he's essentially a lone villain type.
Apocalypse can work, but I don't see him as a cosmic-level villain like Thanos. He's been typically taken down by the X-men alone.
Onslaught also works pretty well, but there's a lot of X-men backstory to bring into the MCU first. More than would be needed for a Phoenix Force / AvX arc.
i mean "the X-Men" alone are a team with a ton of members and basically an avengers level team as well since they got some of the most powerful heroes for them. That's the main reason they got to be matched up against apocalypse, magneto & evil mutants etc all the time, to make it even or interesting.
Would it be awesome if we saw Korvac as the main antagonist of the second Captain Marvel movie in the MCU? Which actor do you think should play him?
Onslaught as the main villain would make for a great X-Men transition plot
I want Sinister already. He’s been teased so much.
He could lead to apocalypse, which would be a great story on it's own. I loved 90s xmen using sinister as a stepping stone to introduce apocalypse
It's not about power, it's about having a plan. And Thanos had a damn good one. I'd say very few can match his intellect, while also being on par with his strength. Doom for sure being one of them.
I think doom should be a “hero” that keeps saving the day and lead everyone to love him only to find he is out for himself. Then after all of this multiverse/celestial threats ends, it can play a story where the Beyonder shows up at the end of this multiverse stuff and doom and “friends” find a way to beat him and go into the Secret Wars 2015 leading to god emperor Doom with the power of the beyonders
@RELAXcowboy that’s what I think is going to happen near the end of the decade when we do get to Secret Wars. Assuming it’s split into 2 parts, part 1 will focus on the Beyonders and the multiverse collapsing on itself. Near the end of the movie you pull that panel from the comics where Doom, Strange, and Molecule Man summon their power together to absorb the power of the Beyonders, thus creating God Emperor Doom. Then the movie ends on an Infinity War “wtf” moment where after Doom creates battle world, he’s very clearly set up as the primary antagonist of part 2
Doom all day everyday
@@rileyribble6733 how interesting would it be to twist it and find that Kang fought a war that always brings the beyonders in the end to wipe out everything and to stop it, He Who Remains put an end to The Kang conflict by shrinking the multiverse into a compact “less interesting to the beyonders” version to avoid bringing the Beyonders back. Now that the compact multiverse had a big boom and the Kang conflict is about to start it is open to bring them into out multiverse.
The idea that this man, this human being, stopped a being more powerful than anything in our universe and now we have to fight him only to find out he was protecting the multiverse the whole time.
I don’t think they will go that route but it would be awesome to see this massive kang conclusion end with Kang spilling the beans about the treat coming then pull a Thor Ragnarok post credit scene where a portal rips open and a beyonder steps out.
So you want dooms storyline to be the same as Mysterio?
@@Pixel3572 i see the similarities, but the difference will be skill on Victors part.
He IS a ruler. Not a pretender like Mysterio.
When he comes and fights, heroes will fight with him but we know the truth. Have him build up to being a bad guy after having him in several movies as a prominent character. Like a normal “hero”. Then we watch him win again And again. The people start seeing him as a hero. The heroes start seeing him as maybe the new leader of the avengers if they wanted to take it that far. Then after the pop of this multiverse arch, God Emperor Doom.
It would help solidify his rule as God Emperor and make any current heroes be “defeated and broken” and have new characters from the battle world kick them back into gear. Maybe have a variant of a hero talking down to them for being cowardly and not trying to fight back. It would be an interesting plot but I have a feeling now that you reminded me of Mysterio that it is probably less likely to happen since it is such a similar plot.
Adam Warlock I can’t wait to see his involvement in the future of the MCU
He plays the powers of two Egyptian gods/godlike roles and I think the should key them fighting or some sort of back story
Knull is one i wanna see in the MCU
If mephisto is getting introduced, then they definitely need to have a new ghost rider movie. You really can’t have one without the other because mephisto gave ghost rider his powers.
They’d also have to work with the Scarlet Witch again bec she got her powers through him too
I want them to Add Not only Mephisto but Other Hell lords like Marduk Kurios, Lucifer, Satannish, Thog, Nightmare,etc.
The Thanos you talked about is basically Ultimate Ultron. I think that's more likely than another Thanos
a stronger ultron for phase 5 would be awesome
I think they should start out this time with the phoenix 5 and then instead of another go at Jean getting it solo yet again. Would be a fresh take on the force and could be easier to pull off without it being compared to it’s already jaded past.
They announced secret wars today lol good job
I would LOVE to see Apocalypse as a main villain. He's always been one of my favourites, and the X-men film was just so awful. Cool video; I really dig most of these ideas
No More Systems
I am excited for Doctor Strange Multiverse of madness
Definitely! It's going to be awesome
Yee im all sow very existiert 😄
Got my IMax tickets pre-ordered. Can't get here soon enough
Galactus is going to be like a Thanos level threat so future films might tease him. We now know that giant sized beings exist with the appearance of Celestials in eternals, so he’s out there!
You sir,should be working for Marvel! Your ideas are AWESOME!🤯👍👍👍
Kang will stay until Phase 6. Just like thanos was built up for 3 phases
Mr. Sinister would be awesome to have on the big screen. Idk if he's stronger than any of these guys you mentioned but hes always been one of my favs back then
I agree. Inferno is what should come into play.
I think Magus is a possibility as well as Sentry/Void
what about Warlock?
Personally, when it comes to Mephisto, I feel MCU really needs to set up couple of characters beforehand:
The Ghost Rider - All three main iterations. Both Johnny Blaze and Danny Ketch are deeply entangled with Mephisto's games, and Robby Reyes... well he has his own thing, which still connects to Mephisto's deal in the end. Another piece in the path to Mephisto is Blackheart (NOT the Nick Cage Ghost Rider Blackheart!), who of course is Mephisto's wayward son. In fact, probably the best story to introduce Mephisto would be the Hearts of Darkness story adaptation, where Blackheart tries to corrupt and recruit Dan Ketch, Frank Castle and Logan to oppose his father
Wen woo and killmonger. Damn that's scary. Awesome that needs to happen
i wish they include villain teams like the masters of evil, hellfire club, the marauders and the brotherhood of evil mutants in the mcu
Dark Phoenix, hell yea
I LOVE the idea of a 2nd successful Thanos coming back!!!
as awesome as it would be to see the Beyonder who's more powerful than the infinity gauntlet I don't think we will see him on the big screen anytime soon he's essentially a God but seeing Doom steal his powers would be a heck of a run just like in secret wars
Great video but I was waiting for Knull to be mentionned, an interesting and too strong character to add
Yea same. Knull is definitely a character that could be in phase 5. The only problem is the marvel sony stuff so I dont really see it happening anytime soon.
Can you do a video about which one of these villains could be the main villain of the Young Avengers in their solo movie in the MCU?
Modok and Super Adaptoid would be a nice combo too.
What about Dormammu? We've really only seen him teased so far. There's much more to that character.
Oh you should do a part two and cast the potential actors for these villains… boom
The Beyonder would be overkill for everyone
Yea, if the Avengers somehow beat The Beyonder everyone would be done with the MCU. Beyonder is literally invincible, so there's no amount of power that can stop him.
@@controlman7490 true he even insisted doom to take his power so that doom will be powerful enough to match him and even rachel WPOTC was nothing until he himself amplified WPOTC rachel and he felt pain for the first time
If however they bring in Beyonder, it should be a cameo, he is there to showcase his enigma and reason of living.
Bring in omega mutants and house of m story tho. Restarting for p6
Also love to see Omega Red.
I’m thinking either Apocalypse or Beyonder.
They don’t necessarily have to be stronger than Thanos but at least dangerous enough. Thanos had a pretty major ultimate goal that almost resulted in the end of reality. We basically need a villain with another goal that’s comparable or unique to where it’s necessary to reassemble the avengers again. I believe Kang will play a huge part of that.
The next big villian for me should be knull seeing as we already have been introduced to the necrosword which had dark whispers and no where the head of the celestial he decapitated not to mention venom in the mcu. It would make sense why arishem is scared of the universe falling to darkness in eternals
The Void from Sentry would be an awesome villain for the MCU.
@Boy Wonder Which is why we need to introduce the Sentry.
@Boy Wonder he wasn't really afraid of the void at first. It wasn't until the Void ripped off Scout's arm, caused the Hulk to go on a rampage and kill 1 million did he then fear the Void. If given proper help and support, he could pull of a fusion with the Void and become the fused Sentry, potentially making him the biggest asset to the MCU's earth.
I feel like you disrespected Thanos a bit here but I would love to see a Secret Wars show!
World War hulk!! They could somehow implement some sort of side story flashback thing idk lol. But that'd have some connection to that Illuminati situation
Juggernaut be awesome.
Came back to visit this video to confirm my excitement for them to adapt secret wars after the Marvel announcement for phase 5 & 6
I want an interesting villain not a super powerful one. I don’t want the MCU to become so power crept that most city level and below are obsolete.
Makes me more excited for more avengers movie
What about the war between universes, and the Illuminati, lead by Ultimate Ironamn? And what about Knull? Introducing the Eternals and Gorr with the necrosword?
Wolf spider and morlun is basically the same thing in the ultimate Spider-Man wolf spider was in the multiversal travel arc the 2nd part in the last szn of the show
Avenger vs X-Men (civil war 2), that would be awesome.
Oblivion, king chaos, Knull, Mangog, King thanos, the super adaptoid, ultron phalanx celestials, cyttorak, magus, tyrant, the marquis of death, Sentry, ect ...
Dooms character needs to do well done that it’s perfect. The Beyonder is too OP it won’t make sense. Before they had to make him weaker he was legit if I’m correct 1000 times stronger than everything in the comics besides The One Above All
How do you think we will see each of the villains making their MCU debut? What do you think is the best thing about each of them?
agreed with doctor doom and beyonder and of course mephisto
I think Wilson Fisk or aka kingpin maybe, just maybe will be phase 4-5 main villains. Because I love daredevil.
I am excited to see doctor Doom in the mcu
Petition for CBR to do a video on if Wolverine would survive the Thanos snap
A secret wars is a movie I've dreamed about for years.
Idk about any of you but I really wanna see knull in the next huge endgame type of movie because in love and thunder gorr the god butcher is coming and he is the sidekick type of guy of knull.
3:00 wasn’t hard to tell for me 💀💀 i knew that was him
I really like the video idea and I enjoyed it, but imo thanos is stronger than at least a few of the characters you mentioned.
Would like to see Mr Sinister
Mr Jheri curl himself. The only true world ending and evolving threat is Dr. Doom.
cool!
The next villain will come from the comic books, not from old movies. They have to bring on someone new to the screen and they have some great storyline that need to filmed. Recycling old villians will Def bore much of the audience.
Well, I wanna bet my money on Dr. Doom, Apocalypse, and Annihilus.
But sadly I don't think Knull is going to be the MCU's big bad because of 'Sony the phony'
someone like Knull most be the final boss
its so hard to put him in at this moment
its too early cause thanos is the strongest that marvel introduced
in time hopefully yes
I believe dr strange alone as a character has potential to bring a lot of powerhouses
if we see Nightmare or Chthun in Dr.strange 2 then yes we can go for knull also cause nightmare is a multiversal level
@@bobby6009OOF! Nightmare would be so fucking cool to have, if he makes his appearance in MoM I don't need no Mephisto or Chthon he is enough
One great way to build a HUGE climax for a supposed trilogy of Secret Wars is if they follow the Jonathan Hickman beginning. Imagine a first movie where you learn that the Illuminati of the MCU and another universe learn that their universes are barreling towards eachother because of Kang or something. The first movie follows these two universes, getting the audience equally invested in both, ending the movie on an ominous end as the Illuminati of both universes decide that their own universe has to survive, no matter what. The second movie is about both Illuminatis building ships to bring the best superheroes, but by the climax, it's too apparent that both universes will inevitably crash. The terrifying end of the movie shows both universes whom we had gotten invested in with the first movie are now seen killing eachother and trying to destroy the other universe, just for it to fail, with both universes colliding into one another. The third movie sees the actual Battleworld arc and closes out the movie in one huge event like Endgame.
Be nice to see the Annihilation story in the movies
I'd love to get a House of M Scarlett witch that has to fight someone with the Phoenix Force
Personally I feel you are thinking too far ahead. Kevin feige said a phase ends and a new starts with an avengers movie. Although you may say that’s not true due to the gap between infinity war and endgame, however those movies were tied together and you had to have two to tell the whole story. I feel marvel is about to follow a similar path to the first avengers movie. Kevin feige even said that’s how it’s going to be. They’ll introduce some heroes and then eventually they will come together to fight a threat. As it stands right now kang the conqueror is the clear and obvious villain for the next avengers. The fact that you believe galactus and doom will be seen in this phase and even within the movies you said they might be in just baffles me. Why would doom be in black panther when plenty of leaks have suggested namor. It already sounds like a movie that won’t connect with him at all. Sure he wanted vibranium but I doubt marvel will cut out all of his back story and show him trying to steal vibranium, doesn’t make sense. The most we will see of either of the characters is in the end cut scene for fantastic 4. My guess is at the end of that movie one of the cut scenes will include the 4 meeting some other heroes among the avengers. The other cut scene will likely be their next villain or reference to a coming threat much like the cut scene where thanos said he will do it himself while reaching for the infinity gauntlet.
That is all.
can you do something about knull. PLEASE? im begging you
Why no mention of Nemesis??
Surprised no Knull mention considering his disciple (kind of) Gorr the God Butcher is facing off against Thor in Thor 4
if Dr Doom comes in a live action movie that would just be the best thing ever
The X-men and avengers should team up to fight Onslaught
Dose anyone know if dormammu will be a big villain any time soon
How would you do a insect like villain
Phase 4 is already rapped up and we have yet to see any of these people we kinda seen Kang right as phases 4 ended but for literally 5 minutes if that!
I would love to see the ultron of the what if series in a new avenger team up
one of my favorite marvel characters is the silver surfer 🏄♀️ i hope we get a good silver surfer movie
Yea finally someone mentions onslaught.
They can introduce Blastaar.
Beyonder should not be a big bad in a traditional Marvel movie. There should be dedicated movies around Doom and after 3-4 movies of Doom introduce the Beyonder and Doom ultimately taking his power and addressing a bigger threat. You can build him up to make the audience feel like he is a big bad until the larger threat shows up.
The beyonder with the sign of darksied, omega. Maybe the beyonders work for darksied
I really wanna see Annihilus
If there is a another thanos I want to the good thanos from what if to fight him thanos vs thanos