The Tipo 184 IVA (Individual Vehicle Approval) Guide. Instructions for Builders on passing the Test
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Guidance for home builders on how to get your Tipo 184 through the UK Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) Test. Correct as of February 2022, please check our website tipo184.com & the DVSA site for any changes or updates to the IVA rules & regulations before submitting your vehicle for test
Hi Darren, I went through the old SVA test with my Eagle 2+. It failed on the first attempt but passed on the second; it was a nightmare. I do find the current IVA test quite bizarre and impractical as the testers know that as soon as you get the car home, you are going to swap everything out. Of course they need to check that the car is safe but some of the things that you have to do, just for the test, are stupid. Take a normal car. You could swap the steering wheel for some cheap and dangerous rubbish and there is nothing that the DVLA will do about that.
On one of your videos, you mentioned that a catalytic converter needed to be added to the exhaust. I cannot remember the date of that video but you did not mention it in this video.
As everyone else has said, it was a very useful and informative video; thank you. You have gone to great lengths to design such a wonderful car and, in addition, how to get it through the dreaded IVA test.
Thank you for your kind comments. The catalytic converter comes as standard on the Tipo184 exhaust. It is a legal requirement.
The IVA test has always been controversial. We cannot comment or express opinion only offer guidance in getting your Tipo 184 through the test and the information may be useful for other self build vehicles.
Would y'all be willing to do a "how to break down your MX-5 donor" video? If you did you'd have the whole process! Thanks for doing this. It's such a fun looking kit and seeing how straightforward it is to do is a testament to the team. Well done.
Wow!! You have really done your homework. Well done 👍 I'm sure the IVA test would be a nightmare without all your for thought.
And reverse too: the IVA inspector will not find any excuse to get you off the road, If you want an IVA inspector having nightmares: just show him this video ! Best Regards from little Belgium !
Great video, great project and great car! But..that's an octagon. 😉 Keep up the great work, cheers from Italy!
All that padding reminds me of baby proofing a house! I'm so glad my kit car was registerd a long time before IVA came in (also way before SVA). Also didn't realise you were based so close to me :) Now if only I had 20k burning a hole in my pocket....
Having recently been to see this car in your workshop I was really impressed you had made it road legal with such a dramatic design. I built a kit car many years ago as SVA was being introduced. The rules they introduced then were a pain to comply with but were perhaps well founded as many poorly designed cars were being used on the road. The quality of your product is WAY better than the kit cars of 25-30 years go. I would be happy to have your gear change mechanism at home as a work of art. However I struggle to see how it is acceptable to change parts of the car to get through such a test and then suggest you remove all of these parts and make a car that could no longer pass. Perhaps I am missing the intent of the IVA rules or is this now legal?
Thank you for your question Ian. The IVA is a one off test and it is not the same as an MOT for example. After IVA the car has the same rules as a new vehicle, ie: it doesn't require an MOT for 3 years. However as confirmation before publishing this Video we removed ALL the IVA padding etc, but checked every rule & regulation was met for road use, then took the car for an MOT.
The car passed.
We are not determining what is or isn't acceptable based upon opinion, we are only offering advice within the current rules, regulations and law that exist in the UK. This is not unique to Tipo, it is common place
forgot to say excellent video
I can see a 3d printed set of designs for some of the caps and protectors and under dash areas. Things like a padded knee roll would IMO be very sensible
In other words get the IVA and take most of it all off again.
You should just hire the IVA kit out and whatever the customer wants to keep they send the rest back!
By the way no such thing as a daytime MOT it's just a MOT.
That's blooming crazy. If it's to test to make sure it's road legal but you can remove everything again afterwards and its still road legal then I can't see why a standard mot would not be a suitable test as that's the only other test it's gonna have for the rest of its life. Plus without doing all that crazy stuff which clearly makes it look like a clown car and no sane tester would believe you were going to run it with that configuration with foam tape round everything and heat insulation round the exhaust. plus that horrible exhaust finisher that 90's boy racers used to make their exhaust look "cool". This just sounds like a dvsa money making exercise as it costs way more than a mot.
What about European Market?
They require all A1 CE certificates for the parts.
It would also be good to mention whenever one gets approved in a European country. Sometimes it is a lot easier in one country then than the other. So if it passed in one country it would be an option to have it homologated in that country and get license plates.
After that it won't need full testing in the destination country. As it will then only need transferring to local license plates.
For the rest a nice and clear video. Thanks.
Many thanks for your comment. We have multiple kits currently being built by European customers in several EU countries, one is already complete. Several of these builders intend to use their car on the road so will be having it tested in their own country. We also offer a turn key car service (already built & UK IVA tested) which allows it to be imported into other counties using the UK documentation as you would with any normal vehicle
@Tipo 184 Great to hear. And I hope that you get good results. I myself had lots of problems with a simple car trailer here in Spain which I bought in Poland. There advice was to, next time, just get it registered in Poland and have the license plate exchanged in Spain. There are major differences between the different countries.
Like in Spain they now even want to read out ECM to verify that there wasn't any modification, like switching off an alarm light. If any lights do show. It won't pass regular tests. Just saying this so you can be prepared.
No idea how you work. But any alarm in the ECM will be seen as disqualified. So if there is no ABS then it could become a future problem.
@@henriwolbrink tvrs don't have abs
@@tonyg4451 I understand. But the MX5 does. So alarm is likely just ignored. But will still be present if original ECM is used.
@@tipo1843 Is £65,000-£70,000 the approx. price for a turn key car.
Congratulations on passing the test. Saw the car in Top Gear last year. Which is your local IVA centre?
On another kit car IVA video I think they said you need a rear view mirror.
The IVA test is specifically there to ensure that the vehicle passes all the approvals for use on the road and therefore taking off the IVA kit after passing the test would render it illegal for use. With all the softening of edges and protection of hot surfaces being removed after the IVA I can see that the liability for third party injury being increased that will see insurers running a mile from any possible payouts - who will tell their insurers that they have taken the protection off the car for general use after its been approved??
I am amazed that the rounding of corners is not accommodated on all the bespoke parts at point of sale and the sharp bottom edge of the dashboard verges on negligent design. It is obvious that even in a mild accident there is a good possibility that the driver will knee cap him/herself on the sharp edge. It is very easy to install a permanent solution by either creating a rounded off pressing for the dash panel or adding a bent tube bottom reinforcement to the dash panel.
Having only one number plate on the car at the rear is likely to cause problems with the constabulary as well as any MOT garage. The visibility of number plates seems to be a focus for MOT stations as I can testify, and the constabulary do not need an excuse to pull you over especially since its an interesting vehicle.
With the chees grater grille, I would have thought that it was very easy to create a die cast grille that incorporated the 2.5mm round edges rather than having to temporarily fit a compliant grille (at a cost) to pass the IVA. To then revert back to the pedestrian chipper would almost seem to be sadistic.
I suppose you might say that it is up to the builder to ensure compliance and include any permanent protection features but it is also incumbent on the designer to provide a professional design that accounts for the permanent compliance with the regulations.
Thanks Clive, you've obviously never built & put a KitCar through IVA.
All of this is common place and it is not illegal to remove any of the IVA test parts in this video providing you are sensible with how you go about it and comply with the law (not IVA requirements) which are different
@@tipo1843 Indeed, I have not needed to put through any of my modified and built vehicles through a type approval process but have a Clan sitting in the wings for that purpose. Over many years I have dealt with many regulations across many areas and with the construction of DVSA facilities and I can say that I find it very surprising that once a vehicle has passed an IVA or in this case a BIVA(?) test it seems that the construction rules can be discarded. Having been concerned also with competition vehicles used on the road I know that the constabulary will take particular interest in modified vehicles of whatever sort and often assist DVSA with road side inspections.
If the IVA (or BIVA) approve the vehicle as conforming to UK C&U and by extension EU Directive standards specifically so that it can be registered then any vehicle that has been so registered and subsequently found not to comply risks prosecution. This happens when type approved vehicles i.e. all standard cars sold in UK and EU are modified so as to contravene those standards e.g. exhaust noise, headlamp replacement etc etc....... The IVA is not a legal requirement in itself except that a specific vehicle cannot be registered without it and the registration is a legal requirement for use on the road. After that registration the vehicle must comply with the C&U regs and therefore adjusting the vehicle back to a non-compliant state must be illegal.
@@clivewilliams3661 Good luck with the Clan, maybe visit a kitcar show & talk to a few kitcar owners clubs to understand the process & download the current IVA manual to understand what you need to do. As per the description of this video its a guidance, what individuals choose to do afterwards is their choice
@@tipo1843 I was a member of the Clan Owners Club that has lapsed for this year, but I will resurrect that for next year after I have finished the Beetle, which skirts around the BIVA. I am comfortable with dealing with the C&U requirements and clearly will download the latest manual to compliment and balance with MS Bluebook. I can't agree with you about the individuals choice after approval. Maybe I am jaundiced by the knowledge that if I took that approach in my business I would be liable to be sued for Professional negligence.
A 30's F1 car a road going car is failed racers wet dream.
Good job 👍
If you register your vehicle and then remove the bodges you used to make it considered safe your vehicle remains registered but is not safe. If you seriously injure someone they will lock you up. I would also question whether your insurance is valid as all modifications post registration should be listed on your insurance policy.
If you change things in order to pass the IVA, and then change it back again afterwards, doesnt that stop the car from being road-legal? The grill, for example... it's meant to have the >2.5mm radius curves for pedestrian safety, so if you switch back to the non-compliant grill, and then injure someone with it, wont that land you in a whole heap of trouble with plod?
No
A good barrister might try and put that to the test…..
@@tipo1843I thought it comply to the letter.
Only a narcissist would drive a car like this on the road.
This contradicts the IVA information, it clearly says using lagging and solutions that would not be used by an OEM will not be accepted. The crazy use of these lagging bodges, bits of cut-off hose, push-on trims here won't get approved as far as I understand.
It just looks all kinds of wrong with those mudguards and rollbar... The one as built by Ant was much better. We do realize it is required for IVA, but rather have the option of non-road use and remove all these add-ons, especially the rollbar...
Hi Lombard, Thank you for your comment. Please watch the video again, you can remove all the add-ons after the IVA test and still use the car on the road looking as you like it, that's the beauty of the kit, you build it as you choose and we actively want to see diversity & personalisation in every build. The purpose of this video is just a guide to passing the IVA test :-)
Beg to differ. Considering the rollbar as a necessary evil, it's one of the best, if not the best, integrations of this element into a design. Add to that, the minimalist requirements of evoking an early F1 look? Well done mates.
would it not be better to use a front bumper as i understand it so any thing behind the bumper wont be tested ?
Any chance of having a US representative to lower shipping costs? Most certainly a cliche, hut you'd sell hundreds more.
We have a US distributor already in Phoenix AZ 🙂
Place your orders through our website tipo184.com
The IVA rules are mental ( re all the comments below) Out of interest does the exhaust have a catalytic converter in it or is it exempt under iva rules ?
Yes it does it's what the oxygen sensor is bolted into
@@russjam121 I don't know whether this would be feasible or not but I'd give thought to rotating the Cat about 170 degrees to get that oxygen sensor out of the way. It has to be there but I doubt that it has to right in your face.
Re the front wishbones, would tube replacements be more compliant and also complete the look?
You can buy aftermarket tubular wishbones, they're around £400 but would need modification at extra cost to fit around our Gaz shocks, so it would be quite an expense when our main goal is to make the kit as accessible as possible on price.
@@tipo1843 thanks for the reply
If it’s not IVA compliant, can you be arrested for driving it? Has anyone ever been arrested or reported for driving such a vehicle?
Hello David bo you send to Australia how much is the kit look forward to hear from you soon thankyou
no side repeaters for indicators?
Hi, on the government IVA website I can't see any indication for kit cars nor how to contact a local centre?
Wow H&S gone mad. Fully support H&S, but it needs to have context.
Hi. Daft question time. When you register the car and pass the IVA will it be issued with a Q registration plate (in the UK), the registration number of the original donor car or a new number plate?
Many thanks
Richard
Hi Richard, The car gets a brand new registration, you only get a Q if you cannot prove the date of the donor vehicle so its very important to have the V5 for your donor.
The IVA must have their roots in the SS from years ago ...
How can you drive the car with insurance if the car wasn’t registered?
You contact your insurance company and insure the car on the VIN number for the purpose of travelling to & from the IVA test only. You can also insure on VIN number for Fire & Theft whilst waiting for DVLA to issue a registration number. Once you have the new Registration issued by DVLA you must notify your insurer. Thanks for asking
@@tipo1843 Oh neat. Thanks
legal in United States?
Can I just wrap car into the bubble wrap instead? :D
I would use the same iva place you chaps use simples... 😜
Why not make a Mazda MX--5 body for it?
Because Mazda beat us to it David 🙂
Prova = Provabation :)
Is the rollbar necessary?
The Tipo 184 is engineered to the latest regulations for Racing, MSA/Bluebook rules which means it has the roll bar and other safety features that are required to use the vehicle on track & race. The rollbar is not required for the IVA test or general road going use. To meet regulations it has to be fully welded to a high standard into the chassis. Builders can remove it if they so wish at their own risk, but we recommend keeping it as it forms part of the drivers safety cell
A lot of these things seem to be sensible safety features, sharp edges radius etc. why not just manufacture the original parts to meet those standards? Safety rules are there to protect people, all it takes is proper engineering to comply…the rules are not there as obstacles, but guidelines how to do things properly. You should not be selling kits to compensate for your design failures.
Thanks, it takes "proper engineering" (as you say) to understand the rules and what is & isn't acceptable but the IVA is very different to an MOT
In short, don't live in the UK if you want to drive a kit/custom car on the road.
In Central Europe it would not even be allowed with all the IVA ugliness installed. UK authorities are much more open to things like this. In Germany or Austria for example you would not have a chance to get a kit car like this road legal without even bigger changes. Need to have an old frame with an old VIN older than 1950s for things like this. That’s for example the reason why you can buy totaled HD frames with VIN tags on it to claim your chopper build to be „historical“.
As much as I would want one of these Tipo 184 kits, I am 99% sure that the pain in making it legal outruns the fun and the looks of the build itself…..
The UK is probably the most lenient country in Europe when it comes to these rules.I was really excited about this kit, but I think it's impossible to get it registered as road-legal here. Pre Brexit there used to be a bit of an loophole "industry" of registering kitcars as road-legal in the UK and then exporting them to mainland Europe. (As a vehicle that is registered road-legal in one EU country has to be accepted EU wide.) Unfortunately this is no longer an option.
the law is a ass. if you put these things on to pass a test then take them off - what is the point but law being blind just can't see it. it is bureaucracy for the sake of it. nice car though.
Fit all the bits for iva test.when you get home take them off. What a joke 😂
IVA what a load of rubbish, that ruins the look of the car, Health and safety gone mad, and what is the point if you can take it all off afterwards, what a waste of money, that’s put me right off the car, I’ll stick to my 50 year old classic car and motorcycles thanks. Is a fantastic looking car but too much hassle and unnecessary expense. 😱
The IVA test applies to all Kit Cars assembled from donor parts and regular imported cars into the UK less than 10 years old. Granted its a hassle Martin, but unfortunately there is no way around an IVA if you want to get your car registered
@@tipo1843 what happens if the donor car is older than 10 years old, could that be a better option then. Cheers Martin.🤞🔧🔩⚙️