I don’t understand why Pauline is being funny about Simon and Tony. She was perfectly understanding towards Colin Russell who was gay. She was his cleaner and had no problem with his sexuality as far as I could tell. Drama channel are repeating those episodes at the moment from 1988.
Is disgusting the way Tony and Simon were being treated .what gets right up my nose is when people judge other people .They love each other and is nobody's business. Pauline should not judge. People don't like it they can F.O and F.T.H .love is love .people are so quick to judge this really annoys me
@@jonathanspencer5884 ur a bigot .if you have not got anything posative then don't because you say this what are people going to think .people should not be judged how would you like it if people judged you
Indeed, nothing wrong with it at all - times were very different back then though. It’s only really the last 15/20 years that it’s been accepted in society
Why are people complaining about this storyline they have to be realistic.people are always gonna disapprove of certain people in society for example gays black people ginger people fat people old people this reflects the attitude of the times
It must of been hard for the actors to do this, sayng things like catching it, being gay had been legal in Britain for 30 years at this time, then 12 years later we had the Christian and Syed story line, Christian was beaten up Syed was disowned and again they part that part so well
That makes no sense. A storyline depicting homophobia isn't in itself homophobic or politically incorrect. This wouldn't be a storyline today as it wouldn’t accurately portray current society. I don't think it's an accurate portrayal of 90's society either
Gay people still are a minority statistically speaking, it's just that people's attitudes have evolved. People love who they love and if other people have a problem with that then that's their problem.
OLI PRJ interesting theory. Looking back, I think Tony was gay-leaning bisexual. He had a strong physical attraction to both sexes, but it seems he experienced more deep emotional involvement when it came to men (he wound himself up enough over it). If he was around today, he'd possibly be a lot calmer and have come out much sooner and with far less drama - though bisexuality especially in men still causes all sorts of unnecessary uproar.
Weird that murdering nutcase Grant was understanding, and normally-sympathetic blokes like Sanjay weren't. This was a patchy-written, regressive denouement episode. For context, at this point in time programmes like the groundbreaking Queer As Folk were in early production on the other side (Channel 4) while EE blithely put this on. Still, at least we got the scene of Tony chatting with his Boss at the Gazette, which must have been the last time we ever saw the Walford pool hall. Also how comes Ben Mitchell got an absolute battering from a similar pack of scabby homophobes, but Tony - much physically weaker and more passive as well as less fit and less likely to intimidate anyone - got away with just a scrape? Is it because Ben tried to front them out but Tony backed down? They're cousins (sort of) and both gay, but they couldn't be more different.
@Billyboy I agree with you . And it is becoming a normal thing to be taught in places like Primary schools and Secondary schools . You know how politics is corrupt and likes to try and staple disgusting things as acceptable in society , just because a few bad or ill minded people go crying to to them
For such a hard man Grant was always surprisingly respectful of people's private issues.
Tony and Simon arguing is fucking hilarious 😂😂😂
I don’t understand why Pauline is being funny about Simon and Tony. She was perfectly understanding towards Colin Russell who was gay. She was his cleaner and had no problem with his sexuality as far as I could tell. Drama channel are repeating those episodes at the moment from 1988.
Yeah that's true I'm watching them too lol
Colin was paying her wages, plus Pauline hated Ted so it was another excuse to have a pop at him
And her roommate Derek
Is disgusting the way Tony and Simon were being treated .what gets right up my nose is when people judge other people .They love each other and is nobody's business. Pauline should not judge. People don't like it they can F.O and F.T.H .love is love .people are so quick to judge this really annoys me
@@jonathanspencer5884 ur a bigot .if you have not got anything posative then don't because you say this what are people going to think .people should not be judged how would you like it if people judged you
I absolutely agree with you Gemma
@@roxanneellis9125 thank u
I agree
@Huw Wilson It was 1997 it says it in the title and in the description.
In some ways it seems we’re going back to these days! MArk is lovely in this though!
Nothing wrong with being gay at all, they've done nothing wrong at all two people who love each other leave them be
Excatly love is love. There is nothing wrong with being Gay as long as u are happy 😊
Indeed, nothing wrong with it at all - times were very different back then though. It’s only really the last 15/20 years that it’s been accepted in society
Eddie Carlin(sp?) and John sounds like an interesting backstory. Hope someone told Ben that story.
Robby loves Well'ard! so much!!and it's beautiful!!!
And Dot & Ethel caught a burglar I'm crying😅😆😆
Thing is, the East End isn't much different today. The show is, but the actual East End is still a vile place.
It's really crazy how little the East End has changed in this respect, outside the hipster hotspots.
Simon was such a control freak and a manipulator he wanted Tony all to him self he hated that he wasn't Tony's whole world
I hated Simon, horrible complaining selfish old woman
Why are people complaining about this storyline they have to be realistic.people are always gonna disapprove of certain people in society for example gays black people ginger people fat people old people this reflects the attitude of the times
Who's complaining? I don't think it's realistic
simon very hot headed
The music miss it
Everything so easier then
It must of been hard for the actors to do this, sayng things like catching it, being gay had been legal in Britain for 30 years at this time, then 12 years later we had the Christian and Syed story line, Christian was beaten up Syed was disowned and again they part that part so well
I HATED simon
Simon was just the worst kind of partner, him being gay doesn't stop him being someone you shouldn't be around
Simon was insufferable
Lol they wouldn't get away with this type of storyline today with the whole square being borderline homophobic Haha
Maybe because it wouldn’t be realistic anymore. Most people these days aren’t homophobic.
That makes no sense. A storyline depicting homophobia isn't in itself homophobic or politically incorrect. This wouldn't be a storyline today as it wouldn’t accurately portray current society. I don't think it's an accurate portrayal of 90's society either
@@startracker5895 I personally don't agree with that
@@johngilmore697 homophones was still bad in the 90s
anyone got the irish episodes? so hard to find
RUclips blocks them
@@eastendersstorylines7822 any other sources?
Ah, remember the days when gays were in the minority. Memories.
Gay people still are a minority statistically speaking, it's just that people's attitudes have evolved. People love who they love and if other people have a problem with that then that's their problem.
Did Simon and Tony do anything except fight?
I don't think Tony was really gay, he slept with 2 women behind Simon's back. I think he was confused
OLI PRJ interesting theory. Looking back, I think Tony was gay-leaning bisexual. He had a strong physical attraction to both sexes, but it seems he experienced more deep emotional involvement when it came to men (he wound himself up enough over it). If he was around today, he'd possibly be a lot calmer and have come out much sooner and with far less drama - though bisexuality especially in men still causes all sorts of unnecessary uproar.
@@oliprj8676 he's bisexual
Simon was a complete arse.
Weird that murdering nutcase Grant was understanding, and normally-sympathetic blokes like Sanjay weren't. This was a patchy-written, regressive denouement episode. For context, at this point in time programmes like the groundbreaking Queer As Folk were in early production on the other side (Channel 4) while EE blithely put this on. Still, at least we got the scene of Tony chatting with his Boss at the Gazette, which must have been the last time we ever saw the Walford pool hall.
Also how comes Ben Mitchell got an absolute battering from a similar pack of scabby homophobes, but Tony - much physically weaker and more passive as well as less fit and less likely to intimidate anyone - got away with just a scrape? Is it because Ben tried to front them out but Tony backed down? They're cousins (sort of) and both gay, but they couldn't be more different.
They're not "sort of" cousins. They're legit cousins. Tony is Kathy's nephew, Ben is Kathy's son, thus making them cousins.
Probably because Sanjay's religion forbids homosexuality?
Grant was strangely progressive when it came to issues like Marks HIV and homosexuality... He was just also a bit of a psychopath...
OLI PRJ ah, yes, that's true. I hadn't factored in the religious objection.
@@oliprj8676 wasn't Sanjay Hindu (if you meant he was Muslim)? In any case this attitude was common everywhere back then.
This is too homophobic!
Well no one else wants to see it.
@Billyboy I agree with you . And it is becoming a normal thing to be taught in places like Primary schools and Secondary schools . You know how politics is corrupt and likes to try and staple disgusting things as acceptable in society , just because a few bad or ill minded people go crying to to them
@@jonathanspencer5884 what's wrong with been gay? I don't see anything wrong with it at all
That's your personal opinion,
It was the storyline about ppl being homiphobic
L,mao grant