I'll pin a comment because it's quicker than replying to everyone individually. In regards to the Void Dragon/Dragon of Mars being the culprit I personally find the idea to be extremely unlikely. The reason why is mainly because the Dragon of Mars is locked within the Noctis Labyrinth, which is in a different location to the Librarius Omnis.
Wait do we know if the Emperor actually put the void dragon there? Cause if the void dragon was put their by say the Necron any number of Cryptek creature
@@Matt-md5yt if by reddit you mean "everyone" and by "memed it too much" you mean "rightfully mocked it as the stupidest piece of fluff ever written about any piece of media ever", yeah. its beyond goofy
Could it have been Necrons? Could it have been one specific Necron? Could it have been Trazyn the Infinite? Could Arkhan Land have been caught in a Tesseract Labyrinth? Could Trazyn release Arkhan behind Belisarius Cawl when he least expects it, as a joke?
Cawl: Who the hell are you? Arkhan: I am Arkhan Land the greatest mind produced by mechanicum. Cawl: No I am. Arkhan: Hah cute. Cawl (pulling out his surgical tools): I MUST ADD YOU TO OUR COLLECTIVE. Arkhan: Eeep!
Land having been yoinked by Trazyn could make sense. Trazyn has had one or two Mechanicus members willingly subject themselves to his Stasis Vaults in trade for other tech or items, as long as they un-stasis'd every few centuries or millenia to catalogue what those millenia of modified statis have let them think about and process.
*shrugs* any time anything legendary disappears, one should always look to Trazyn the Infinite, then at the Blood Ravens. Wouldn't be the first time we've thought a character was dead only to be in Trazyn's collection.
Land was a very hard character to like, but when, at the end of EoE. He says "Zephon...he killed my monkey." Kind of broke my heart and made me love the weird old man.
“He made a friendship with the Blood Angel” a friendship so deep that Zefon kind, graciously and with a profound respect, relayed that he would beat Arkhan to death with his own hands, the ones he gave him……..out of friendship.
Interesting. I wonder if his final fate will one day be uncovered? Or maybe they will find a weird crazy hermit AI that has him locked away in stasis for failing to correctly answer its riddles 3 *smirks*
Thanks, this is one of my favorite 40k mysteries. Gonna hold out hope that he returns some day, dragging an Stc for quad leg dreadnaughts and green light lazrifles.
@@vladimirmihnev9702 I like it, but that might be too much advancement for the Imperium to handle. Can’t let the flashlight guys ever get a leg up in life.
Honestly any of these scenarios seem possible, hell I could Imagine all of them happening as land’s party is wiped out one by one until only he remains, and his body eventually giving out, or he is somehow still alive down there.
I have a few thoughts on Arkham Land, namely that if he didn't perish on his last expedition he must be held in some form of stasis or Warp adjacent scenario. This is because of his noted lack of mechanical replacements, which would limit his lifespan to a few centuries at best with age treatments. Now, as to his fate. I don't think his exploratory party was destroyed by anything from the Dark Age of Technology, unless it was acting to preserve the Librarius Omnis and its contents thus putting them in stasis. I likewise don't believe Trazyn the Infinite was responsible for their disappearance as he would have simply taken all of them at once to have a full set of Land's Explorers. While it is possible they were hunted and destroyed by the Vorax Automata, I think it would be more interesting if they had instead been captured and taken by a force that at the time of their disappearance was just starting out. Constantin Valdor had disappeared not long into M31, around the same time as Leman Russ. It was revealed in Penitent that Valdor is apparently the King in Yellow, and as described his citadel in the Webway would have required mechanicus of astounding intellect to develop and maintain the systems there. Who better to be revealed as the Magos supporting Valdor than Arkhan Land? It could even be that there is a Webway portal on Mars itself, deep within the Librarius Omnis. Long severed from the greater Webway due to the presence of the Dragon of Mars and therefore the potential presence of Dolmen Gates. It would also explain why the Webway within Sol is vulnerable enough for the Emperor's Webway Project and damaged enough for Magnus and his Thousand Sons to travel through. It was only barely connected to the rest of the Webway because there was the Dragon of Mars and the risk that posed to the Webway itself.
Now, this is a wild theory, and only supported by a single Warhammer Crime novel, and only so with major spoilers. I believe Arkan Land may very well still be alive. On the Hive World of Alecto, the captain of the ship that brought humanity all the way back in the DAoT to Alecto is still alive in M42, living as a normal (if powerful) civilian. I believe that Land may have found a similar source of immortality within, but due to a lack of combat prowess, still remains trapped in M42. For anyone who wants to check my sources, Grim Repast is the novel.
You are a weapon. You were made for battle, and have neither a fate nor a future outside of war. Will you die tomorrow? Probably. You'll die doing exactly what you were made to do, dying in exactly the way you were made to die. What are your dreams, Zephon? What life do you live off the battlefield? What do you contribute to the species except the furtherance of its territory with your ability to shed enemy blood? When your kind dies, Astartes - and let's not forget that it's the fault of your kind that half the galaxy is aflame - but when your kind dies, it's no different from the shattering of a sword. No dreams are lost. No fates are altered. Just a weapon breaking while doing what it was made to do. 'And that's why you have no right to your fear, Blood Angel. Death means so little to you. Compared to us, you have nothing to lose. There was no longer any mirth, bleak or otherwise, in Zephon's eyes. There was nothing. His features were bleached of even shreds of personality Land had thus far credited him with, and what remained was the angelic template, rendering him indivisible from any other warrior of his Legion. Zephon thought on just what to say, or if it was worth saying anything at all. Their association to this point had been defined by exchanges in this vein - the cut and thrust of Land's understandable disgust with genetic transhumanity, Zephon's jocular and thetic rebuttals. But now, the Blood Angel reassessed the depths of Arkhan Land's hatred and found he lacked an adequate answer. Because he's right. The thought, insidious and fierce, clung tight to the insides of his skull. Land had already turned away, uninterested in whatever Zephon might say in reply. The Blood Angel's armoured hand rested, with gentle but absolute strength, on the old man's shoulder. "Don't touch m- ' Shut up, Arkhan. Just this once, please shut up! Land blinked. Surprise knocked him speechless, which was a rare treat indeed. 'It may be that you are right. What you've said is nothing I've not considered myself, a hundred times before. But I want your promise that tomorrow, you will forgo your usual cowardice. You will discard the self-interest that you disguise as good sense, and you will stand with Shafia, Eristes and Shenkai. I can tolerate your hatred, your spite and your endless barbs, but I will not forgive cowardice tomorrow. Mark these words, my friend... If I learn that you've left them to face harm after agreeing to stand with them, I will find you wherever you're hiding, doubtless soaked in the perfume of your own piss, and I will kill you. Land gaped at him. 'I will beat you to death with my bare hands, Arkhan. With the very hands you gave me. Do you hear me? Do you understand?'
Pretty sure Arkhan Land was captured by Trazyn and is very much alive and in stasis. No proof to back this theory but it would be cool to have him return to the current era, even if just for a short narrative arc.
@@40KTheoriestoo be fair, we know from The Infinite & The Divine, that Trazyn does have some Mechanicus members (even some willingly!) in his Stasis Vaults. Would make a cosmic amount more sense than Belisarius' being poofed into existence and having somehow hid hundreds of thousands of space marines in stasis all over the galaxy with nobody finding them for 10 millenia.
If it's unconfirmed, he's most likely dead if he encountered the Void Dragon or something of that sort. But maybe he lives, who can say. But his name lives on, thanks to GW havinv a horrible naming convention.
Again I'm not so sure he would have encountered the Void Dragon, given that the Dragon of Mars is locked within the Noctis Labyrinth, which is in a different location to the Librarius Omnis.
@@40KTheories True, so his survival is likely. Unless of course he encountered some active Necron construct. But if everything goes well, he should be alive, just down there still.
Add land to the list of people who develop crushes on sanguineous I mean it’s only natural. That is his superpower . Just everybody falls in love with him
You’d think knowing the Library was down there, and knowing that it contains STC’s, that the AdMech would be willing to spend whatever it took, to secure whatever knowledge it contained.
I enjoyed arkhan land in the book master of mankind when he and zephon went into the webway with the custodes and sisters of silence. He was almost funny with that monkey. Something I liked about land too is that while he was insanely famous and of the Martian elite, he didn't really have a bunch of cybernetic augmentations to his body. Most of the mechanicum are almost unrecognizable as human, but arkhan land was quite the opposite
It is possible that the Civil War on Mars woke things that should have remained a sleep. It would explain why Lands first trip was less dangerous, as certain things still slumbered.
So this means there can never be a Zephran and Diocletian buddy cop series with Land and his simian friend for comic relief. Cleaning up the streets of the palace 1 bad guy at a time and maybe even growing a little bit and learning to love again.
I always though it a mistake that Land wasn't revived in the lore, so that he might work alongside Cawl in the Primaris project. With it being Land that developed the new tanks, weapons etc
@@40KTheories I mean, if the library is as big as a continent, perhaps that and the labyrinth ran into and connected with one another, you can never know entirely with these things
Yes but Mars has more than one continent hehe It'd be kinda like saying he disappeared in feudal Japan so he probably got killed by an American Old West cowboy, in my opinion.
It always struck me as odd that the Mechanicus will send entire exploratory fleets to the farthest corners of the galaxy on the merest rumor of an STC existing somewhere and yet they never bothered sending an entire reclamation crusade into the Libraris Omnis when it’s right there on sacred Mars itself. Sure they’ve send expeditions in but I mean an huge force to methodically clear and catalog the place.
If I had to guess, it may be a result of internal politics. There could be multiple factions/houses on Mars that would fight each other if any one of them managed to get ahold of it. Or it could be a result of their religion. Oooh, legendary ward code is placed on this vault better not touch it!
Yeah, that one always bugged me too. There really ought to be a full-blown Martian colony down there solely devoted to systematically cleaning that place out. The rewards far out weigh the risk if there's as much down there as one might think.
Wild theory but i think its Ingo Pech the alpha legion operative who released himself from the limpet mine john put on him. He found out that Land was searching these catacombs for a way to keep the golden throne working without the emperor on it and he went to intercept that last best hope. Just a theory but thats what the channels named. Keep up the good work fantastic content.
Hes in trzians gallery or in stasis somewhere in Mars. I really dont think he could be dead. Especially since he had such a major part in the siege. I think we might get a book from the aftermath of the siege
Maybe he found one of those warp portal things (like what was in the Ravenor novels) and accidentally got displaced in time and space, and he’ll emerge at some point in the 40k time so GW can make and sell a mini of him for 40k.
Alpha Legion assassin. Clearly, the risk of Arkhan Land providing additional STCs to the Imperium of similar scale and import as the Land Raider was no minor possibility -- the guy knew what to look for, and where. Put yourself in the traitors' shoes for a moment. If the Imperium was allowed to continue recovering powerful lost technologies while the Traitor Legions were broken and driven off, there was a very real risk that any future engagements could end up as one-sided affairs. An automata had already failed to kill him once, and he survived the savagery of the Horus Heresy's most fierce battles. A subtler hand would be needed, one that can not only survive in the dark underbelly of Mars but also act with enough subtlety to avoid notice. Space Marines can go looooong periods without the need for food and water and can remain perfectly still when needed, not to mention kill a target in any number of horrific ways even when unarmed. They would have had opportunity to plant one or more operatives anywhere in the Sol system during the Horus Heresy, and with Mars in civil war it's unlikely anyone would even have noticed if a few Alpha Legionaires were smuggled in. Kill off Land and his expedition, and there'll be an opportunity to further bleed the Mechanicus over time by taking out search parties and others looking to retrace his steps -- the perfect trap.
Games Workshop be like "we can't just name things after what they do, it has to be named after a person because we're total fucking idiots about how invention happens"
I was wondering : IIRC the STCs were developped during the dark age of technology to help the colons of the newly colonized planets to survive. That's why there is STCs for everything : knife computer guns bucket vehicles boats... I understand that you can land on a hostile planet with an hostile civilization. So you need warmachines and weapons. What I don't understand however is why so many STCs where so conveniently "Space Marines sized" if the space marines were created millenias after the Land Raider ?
I both love and hate characters like this, he more or less proves a theory of mine, with him finding a library the size of a continent, that the Mechanicus is a bunch of scavengers picking over the corpse of a technological super site that if they had *full* control over, they could pacify the entire galaxy themselves. But because of plot, they will never get full control, and again *Because of Plot* someone as intelligent and forward thinking as he was, was killed
Yes but the emperor gives everyone he meets what they expect to see and hear. Land expected a cold detached man of science who saw his creations as tools and that's what he got.
@@40KTheories I don’t say that word with the negative connotation most give it. I just thought naming the creator “Land” was a boring choice of how it got its name.
I'm pretty sure I never said that o.o I know that I _did_ mention a few years ago that the Imperium had lost the STCs for jetbikes (aside from Samael having one), but that info was prior to the Custodes getting 40K models which included jetbikes.
@40KTheories I seem to remember you making the statement that the imperium did not have anti-gravity technology. When you and another RUclipsr, we're doing videos on the technologies of the imperium. Talking about their space and aircraft technologies. I remember a commenter pointing out that the imperium had antigravity technology. So it's perfectly reasonable for them to have flying bricks that are not aerodynamic. Then both you and the other youtuber saying. The imperium does not have anti-gravity technology.
I think it was more of a case saying that the flying bricks themselves did not incorporate anti-grav generators (since those are fairly visually distinct pieces of machinery that need to be fitted externally). I'd need to double check those videos since they're about 7 years old at this point lol. Even if I did say that the Imperium didn't have anti-grav tech at all, that would have been retconned once Primaris marines and their grav tanks got dropped on us a year or so after those videos dropped lol
@40KTheories I'm not so sure. Them having anti-gravity technology and incorporating it into all or most of their aircraft and spacecraft would explain why they're all just bricks. A powerful enough engine on a brick that can hold itself up without erodynamics can make that brick an incredibly fast brick. Any society that makes thorough use and implementation of anti-gravity would naturally (gravitate) away from aerodynamics. Since it's not needed, and you can actually fit more objects inside of a space shaped like a brick or a blimp. I think even the tech priests constant Dogma against out of the box thinking would be kicked to the curb if it meant Forge worlds and other planets could send and receive large amounts of supplies using anti-gravity So I think even a tech priest would turn a blind sensor to somebody. Building an aircraft or a spacecraft or an orbital Launch vehicle when they said just stick an anti grave thing in the hull. Just disguise it so you can't see it from the outside. Thus, everything in their Empire turns into a flying brick.
It would make sense for them to use them for aircraft, I completely agree. But as far as we were able to find about seven years ago, they didn't. They may have changed in more recent lore, I'd be happy to admit. But back then we couldn't find any evidence of them using them on aircraft (again due to them being so visually distinct and needing to be fitted externally, since you can see them on the front half of land speeders for instance).
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I'll pin a comment because it's quicker than replying to everyone individually. In regards to the Void Dragon/Dragon of Mars being the culprit I personally find the idea to be extremely unlikely. The reason why is mainly because the Dragon of Mars is locked within the Noctis Labyrinth, which is in a different location to the Librarius Omnis.
But it doesn't stop wraiths from doing the job.
Wait do we know if the Emperor actually put the void dragon there? Cause if the void dragon was put their by say the Necron any number of Cryptek creature
Necrons then they have been to Mars before and Mars could be a Tomb World.
"You know, he really didn't want the raider named after him." -Belissarius Cawl
Shut up nerd.
Also Belissarius Cawl “Let me name this raider after him”
"The Land Raider, named after its discoverer, Arkhan Land" sounds like a bad Tumblr joke.
@@MrPooleish reddit memed it way to much
@@Matt-md5yt if by reddit you mean "everyone" and by "memed it too much" you mean "rightfully mocked it as the stupidest piece of fluff ever written about any piece of media ever", yeah. its beyond goofy
Could it have been Necrons?
Could it have been one specific Necron?
Could it have been Trazyn the Infinite?
Could Arkhan Land have been caught in a Tesseract Labyrinth?
Could Trazyn release Arkhan behind Belisarius Cawl when he least expects it, as a joke?
This is canon now.
God, yes please.
I want Land to shiv that tumorous-caterpillar looking Deus Ex Mechanicum right in his kidney analogues.
Cawl: Who the hell are you?
Arkhan: I am Arkhan Land the greatest mind produced by mechanicum.
Cawl: No I am.
Arkhan: Hah cute.
Cawl (pulling out his surgical tools): I MUST ADD YOU TO OUR COLLECTIVE.
Arkhan: Eeep!
Land having been yoinked by Trazyn could make sense. Trazyn has had one or two Mechanicus members willingly subject themselves to his Stasis Vaults in trade for other tech or items, as long as they un-stasis'd every few centuries or millenia to catalogue what those millenia of modified statis have let them think about and process.
*shrugs* any time anything legendary disappears, one should always look to Trazyn the Infinite, then at the Blood Ravens. Wouldn't be the first time we've thought a character was dead only to be in Trazyn's collection.
Land was a very hard character to like, but when, at the end of EoE. He says "Zephon...he killed my monkey." Kind of broke my heart and made me love the weird old man.
i laughed way to much at that line
Bro that whole bro broke my heart 😂
"That mother f*cker killed my MONKEY! *Weeps in binary as he downs a bottle of oil* Poor monkey..."
- Arkhan Land
“He made a friendship with the Blood Angel” a friendship so deep that Zefon kind, graciously and with a profound respect, relayed that he would beat Arkhan to death with his own hands, the ones he gave him……..out of friendship.
That is if he abandons his serfs to save himself
the fact a guy called LAND found the STC for a SPEEDER is a ludicrous 4th wall crossover with Star Wars and i love it.
Interesting. I wonder if his final fate will one day be uncovered? Or maybe they will find a weird crazy hermit AI that has him locked away in stasis for failing to correctly answer its riddles 3 *smirks*
"Old Arkhan, I will make you free...only if you answer my riddles three!" - Abominable Intelligence.
"THEY KILLED MY FRIEND! AND THEY KILLED MY MONKIEEEEE!! *SOB*" - Arkhan Land, Siege of Tera M30
Thanks, this is one of my favorite 40k mysteries. Gonna hold out hope that he returns some day, dragging an Stc for quad leg dreadnaughts and green light lazrifles.
Nah one better blue-violet(higher frequency means more energy) ones
@@vladimirmihnev9702 I like it, but that might be too much advancement for the Imperium to handle. Can’t let the flashlight guys ever get a leg up in life.
Honestly any of these scenarios seem possible, hell I could Imagine all of them happening as land’s party is wiped out one by one until only he remains, and his body eventually giving out, or he is somehow still alive down there.
I have a few thoughts on Arkham Land, namely that if he didn't perish on his last expedition he must be held in some form of stasis or Warp adjacent scenario. This is because of his noted lack of mechanical replacements, which would limit his lifespan to a few centuries at best with age treatments.
Now, as to his fate. I don't think his exploratory party was destroyed by anything from the Dark Age of Technology, unless it was acting to preserve the Librarius Omnis and its contents thus putting them in stasis. I likewise don't believe Trazyn the Infinite was responsible for their disappearance as he would have simply taken all of them at once to have a full set of Land's Explorers. While it is possible they were hunted and destroyed by the Vorax Automata, I think it would be more interesting if they had instead been captured and taken by a force that at the time of their disappearance was just starting out. Constantin Valdor had disappeared not long into M31, around the same time as Leman Russ. It was revealed in Penitent that Valdor is apparently the King in Yellow, and as described his citadel in the Webway would have required mechanicus of astounding intellect to develop and maintain the systems there. Who better to be revealed as the Magos supporting Valdor than Arkhan Land?
It could even be that there is a Webway portal on Mars itself, deep within the Librarius Omnis. Long severed from the greater Webway due to the presence of the Dragon of Mars and therefore the potential presence of Dolmen Gates. It would also explain why the Webway within Sol is vulnerable enough for the Emperor's Webway Project and damaged enough for Magnus and his Thousand Sons to travel through. It was only barely connected to the rest of the Webway because there was the Dragon of Mars and the risk that posed to the Webway itself.
He was annoyed that it wasn't called Land's Raider.
Now, this is a wild theory, and only supported by a single Warhammer Crime novel, and only so with major spoilers.
I believe Arkan Land may very well still be alive.
On the Hive World of Alecto, the captain of the ship that brought humanity all the way back in the DAoT to Alecto is still alive in M42, living as a normal (if powerful) civilian.
I believe that Land may have found a similar source of immortality within, but due to a lack of combat prowess, still remains trapped in M42.
For anyone who wants to check my sources, Grim Repast is the novel.
What is his name ? and in which book I can read about him
Another solid lore vid bud. Thanks for being selective about your topics and not just spraying lore everywhere
I love the namong convantion of Lands (land raider, land speeder) and I think the emperor used it to.
Space marines, his name was Jimmy Space!!
Yes its from tom and ben
My most favorite character of 30k… the dude is hilarious
You are a weapon. You were made for battle, and have neither a fate nor a future outside of war. Will you die tomorrow? Probably. You'll die doing exactly what you were made to do, dying in exactly the way you were made to die. What are your dreams, Zephon? What life do you live off the battlefield? What do you contribute to the species except the furtherance of its territory with your ability to shed enemy blood? When your kind dies, Astartes - and let's not forget that it's the fault of your kind that half the galaxy is aflame - but when your kind dies, it's no different from the shattering of a sword. No dreams are lost. No fates are altered. Just a weapon breaking while doing what it was made to do.
'And that's why you have no right to your fear, Blood Angel. Death means so little to you. Compared to us, you have nothing to lose. There was no longer any mirth, bleak or otherwise, in Zephon's eyes. There was nothing. His features were bleached of even shreds of personality Land had thus far credited him with, and what remained was the angelic template, rendering him indivisible from any other warrior of his Legion.
Zephon thought on just what to say, or if it was worth saying anything at all. Their association to this point had been defined by exchanges in this vein - the cut and thrust of Land's understandable disgust with genetic transhumanity, Zephon's jocular and thetic rebuttals. But now, the Blood Angel reassessed the depths of Arkhan Land's hatred and found he lacked an adequate answer. Because he's right. The thought, insidious and fierce, clung tight to the insides of his skull.
Land had already turned away, uninterested in whatever Zephon might say in reply. The Blood Angel's armoured hand rested, with gentle but absolute strength, on the old man's shoulder.
"Don't touch m- '
Shut up, Arkhan. Just this once, please shut up!
Land blinked. Surprise knocked him speechless, which was a rare treat indeed.
'It may be that you are right. What you've said is nothing I've not considered myself, a hundred times before. But I want your promise that tomorrow, you will forgo your usual cowardice. You will discard the self-interest that you disguise as good sense, and you will stand with Shafia, Eristes and Shenkai. I can tolerate your hatred, your spite and your endless barbs, but I will not forgive cowardice tomorrow. Mark these words, my friend... If I learn that you've left them to face harm after agreeing to stand with them, I will find you wherever you're hiding, doubtless soaked in the perfume of your own piss, and I will kill you.
Land gaped at him.
'I will beat you to death with my bare hands, Arkhan. With the very hands you gave me. Do you hear me? Do you understand?'
Oh! Do Johnny Space next!
Perhaps he is still down there and still alive? Perhaps hooked up to some powerful ancient piece of technology, but can no longer move?
Unless he is in stasis Land’s biologics would be long dead by now.
This is a fantastic video, gives me the same vibes when I first got into your channel back in 2017. Very well done! Thanks for the awesome video!
Pretty sure Arkhan Land was captured by Trazyn and is very much alive and in stasis. No proof to back this theory but it would be cool to have him return to the current era, even if just for a short narrative arc.
Knowing GW that's the card they'll pull from their backsides lol
@@40KTheoriestoo be fair, we know from The Infinite & The Divine, that Trazyn does have some Mechanicus members (even some willingly!) in his Stasis Vaults. Would make a cosmic amount more sense than Belisarius' being poofed into existence and having somehow hid hundreds of thousands of space marines in stasis all over the galaxy with nobody finding them for 10 millenia.
1:28
Ah yes, Jimmy Space and his Space Marines.
4:00 ladys and gentlemen we found him, the ancestor of one Ciaphas Cain and the reason why the emperor helps his engineers descendent.
If it's unconfirmed, he's most likely dead if he encountered the Void Dragon or something of that sort. But maybe he lives, who can say.
But his name lives on, thanks to GW havinv a horrible naming convention.
Again I'm not so sure he would have encountered the Void Dragon, given that the Dragon of Mars is locked within the Noctis Labyrinth, which is in a different location to the Librarius Omnis.
@@40KTheories True, so his survival is likely. Unless of course he encountered some active Necron construct. But if everything goes well, he should be alive, just down there still.
Land is the best character in 40k by a country mile. The man is the omnissiah of pettiness.
I think renegade man of iron, we need more of them in the story.
Bellisarius Cawl would probably know about him
He did! and he knows how much he hated the name
yep that is Cawl. @@AsbestosMuffins 🤣🤣
Cawl has him working in the basement somewhere 😂
Add land to the list of people who develop crushes on sanguineous I mean it’s only natural. That is his superpower . Just everybody falls in love with him
Shaun the Warp Entity has him I'm sure. I was always suspicious of Shaun's friendliness in Warhams lol
You’d think knowing the Library was down there, and knowing that it contains STC’s, that the AdMech would be willing to spend whatever it took, to secure whatever knowledge it contained.
I really enjoyed this, your best video in quite a while I would say mate!
Title sounds like a Defunctland episode!
"Come on down to Arkhan Land! We have bumper grav-cars and a giant cyborg monkey!"
One of the greatest minds of the Imperium!
I enjoyed arkhan land in the book master of mankind when he and zephon went into the webway with the custodes and sisters of silence. He was almost funny with that monkey.
Something I liked about land too is that while he was insanely famous and of the Martian elite, he didn't really have a bunch of cybernetic augmentations to his body. Most of the mechanicum are almost unrecognizable as human, but arkhan land was quite the opposite
Can you make a video of the multi limb goddess Tau'va, love your video btw
It is possible that the Civil War on Mars woke things that should have remained a sleep. It would explain why Lands first trip was less dangerous, as certain things still slumbered.
missing until proved dead. he was, after all a very resourceful individual. basically put on ice by GW just like the primarchs.
So this means there can never be a Zephran and Diocletian buddy cop series with Land and his simian friend for comic relief. Cleaning up the streets of the palace 1 bad guy at a time and maybe even growing a little bit and learning to love again.
I always though it a mistake that Land wasn't revived in the lore, so that he might work alongside Cawl in the Primaris project. With it being Land that developed the new tanks, weapons etc
Perhaps he encountered the void dragon in some way?
The Dragon of Mars is locked within the Noctis Labyrinth. The Librarius Omnis is a different location.
@@40KTheories point taken
@@40KTheories I mean, if the library is as big as a continent, perhaps that and the labyrinth ran into and connected with one another, you can never know entirely with these things
Yes but Mars has more than one continent hehe
It'd be kinda like saying he disappeared in feudal Japan so he probably got killed by an American Old West cowboy, in my opinion.
It always struck me as odd that the Mechanicus will send entire exploratory fleets to the farthest corners of the galaxy on the merest rumor of an STC existing somewhere and yet they never bothered sending an entire reclamation crusade into the Libraris Omnis when it’s right there on sacred Mars itself. Sure they’ve send expeditions in but I mean an huge force to methodically clear and catalog the place.
If I had to guess, it may be a result of internal politics. There could be multiple factions/houses on Mars that would fight each other if any one of them managed to get ahold of it.
Or it could be a result of their religion. Oooh, legendary ward code is placed on this vault better not touch it!
Yeah, that one always bugged me too. There really ought to be a full-blown Martian colony down there solely devoted to systematically cleaning that place out. The rewards far out weigh the risk if there's as much down there as one might think.
1000% eaten by Cawl
Cawl's just the AdMech version of the very hungry caterpillar.
2:20 - The gamma irradiated Conan the Barbarian.
RIP Sapian , the best Psyber moneky :(
I heard of the guy because memes. Crazy he was a real guy in lore. Thanks for teaching me
I hope Arkhan comes back in 40k just to annoy everyone who doesn't like his character.
Out “land” ish huh? Clever!
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Wild theory but i think its Ingo Pech the alpha legion operative who released himself from the limpet mine john put on him. He found out that Land was searching these catacombs for a way to keep the golden throne working without the emperor on it and he went to intercept that last best hope. Just a theory but thats what the channels named. Keep up the good work fantastic content.
I hope you are well.
While initially outLandish, is not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
I see what you did there.
Hes in trzians gallery or in stasis somewhere in Mars. I really dont think he could be dead. Especially since he had such a major part in the siege. I think we might get a book from the aftermath of the siege
That’s was interesting. Thanks
Maybe he found one of those warp portal things (like what was in the Ravenor novels) and accidentally got displaced in time and space, and he’ll emerge at some point in the 40k time so GW can make and sell a mini of him for 40k.
I think he tripped and fell on his own LandShears
Land isnt dead he just found something really juicey that he has been working on for the last 10k years.
We all know Land faked his death, freeing him to hunt down the monster who killed his monkey.
Ahh the man the machine the midget and oh god emperor the pain the ass 😅 1 of the best underrated characters from 30k love this guy lol
Wouldn't the Vorax concentrate on Land rather than his party? I think a dark mechancum warp tainted corrupted thing more likely.
Depends if they got in the way or not, like how Nicanor Tullus did.
@@40KTheories Fair point
Rip our favorite STC vehicle finder…
Not because they speed and raid on land or anything.
Great video! Also, Void Dragon did it =P
Don't forget those men of iron that Farith Redloss keeps on the Dreadwing Armory.
Oh that was so dumb xD
With the techmarine following them with his finger hovering above the off switch on his remote lol
@@40KTheories, he wasn't a tech marine, the 1st Legion had Forge Wrights trained on Terra.
It was Stenius.
Alpha Legion assassin. Clearly, the risk of Arkhan Land providing additional STCs to the Imperium of similar scale and import as the Land Raider was no minor possibility -- the guy knew what to look for, and where. Put yourself in the traitors' shoes for a moment. If the Imperium was allowed to continue recovering powerful lost technologies while the Traitor Legions were broken and driven off, there was a very real risk that any future engagements could end up as one-sided affairs. An automata had already failed to kill him once, and he survived the savagery of the Horus Heresy's most fierce battles. A subtler hand would be needed, one that can not only survive in the dark underbelly of Mars but also act with enough subtlety to avoid notice. Space Marines can go looooong periods without the need for food and water and can remain perfectly still when needed, not to mention kill a target in any number of horrific ways even when unarmed. They would have had opportunity to plant one or more operatives anywhere in the Sol system during the Horus Heresy, and with Mars in civil war it's unlikely anyone would even have noticed if a few Alpha Legionaires were smuggled in. Kill off Land and his expedition, and there'll be an opportunity to further bleed the Mechanicus over time by taking out search parties and others looking to retrace his steps -- the perfect trap.
Were the various land vehicles already sized for giant transhumans, or did the mechanicum upscale them?
Sapient computer viruses would fall under the category of A.I., no?
I think he's stuck in a stasis field
Games Workshop be like "we can't just name things after what they do, it has to be named after a person because we're total fucking idiots about how invention happens"
He was kidnapped by the King in Yellow
Isn’t there a dragon under mars?
In the Noctis Labyrinth, yes. But that's a different location to the Librarius Omnis.
I think everyone’s got this wrong.. It’s called Land raider because it IS LAND. Like Fulgrim he achieved apotheosis and this was his true form
I know we've already had Genestealers on Terra, but can we also have Genestealers on Mars? As a treat?
It was his Ex-wife.
She finally caught up to old Land.
They should bring Land back into the current setting. He should have fallen through a hiddne time protal and end up back on Mars 10k years later.
I believe that Land is still alive not wanting to get involved with the normal people
I was wondering : IIRC the STCs were developped during the dark age of technology to help the colons of the newly colonized planets to survive. That's why there is STCs for everything : knife computer guns bucket vehicles boats...
I understand that you can land on a hostile planet with an hostile civilization. So you need warmachines and weapons.
What I don't understand however is why so many STCs where so conveniently "Space Marines sized" if the space marines were created millenias after the Land Raider ?
Iirc the laws of mechanicus tradition allow the scaling of STCs just not the invention of a new thing.
Didn't he get murdered by B. Olter?
I both love and hate characters like this, he more or less proves a theory of mine, with him finding a library the size of a continent, that the Mechanicus is a bunch of scavengers picking over the corpse of a technological super site that if they had *full* control over, they could pacify the entire galaxy themselves. But because of plot, they will never get full control, and again *Because of Plot* someone as intelligent and forward thinking as he was, was killed
Oh. New intro music. Edit: or different.
It's been like this for a while now hehe
Maybe Trazyn got to him
Land is being held prisoner by cawl and has been used to design all the new primaris tanks. Prove me wrong.
Legend for if only for bringing back the bringer of sorrows .😂
Is this the guy with the monkey?
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Shame the money died :(
@@40KTheoriesBy a World Eater If I recall correctly.
Yup
Mmm...Great video don't sound like A.I anymore
I don't care about Land, All I care about is what happened to Sapien?....
Enjoy your trip to the Saturnine, sons of Horus...
When the Emperor was operating on Angron he referred to the Primarch as "it" which was quite revealing of his feelings towards them
Yes but the emperor gives everyone he meets what they expect to see and hear. Land expected a cold detached man of science who saw his creations as tools and that's what he got.
Cawl absorbed him.
Best, worst retcon for the origin of the land raider.
Is it _really_ a retcon when it's been like that since at least early 3rd edition?
@@40KTheories I don’t say that word with the negative connotation most give it. I just thought naming the creator “Land” was a boring choice of how it got its name.
He isnt desd.... He is to smart to die he will have contingency s trust ... Come on its land .... He brought back bringer of sorrows .
simplest explanation automated defense system
Wait THAT'S why they have Land in the name?!?!
Yep
he wanted it named Land's Raider, Land's speeder etc. 😂
0 mentions of Sapien 😢
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Shame he got squished during the battle for the Eternity Gate...
He owed me money
10:40 Where the hell is this horrible image from ?
The story "Pax Imperialis" from the old Warhammer Monthly comics.
Thank you @@40KTheories
He would have made it if he still had his monkey!
They killed his monkey 😢😢
Comment for the comment god!
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Wait a minute, therefore 40K I thought you were arguing just a year and a 1/2 ago that the imperium did not have anti gravity generators.
I'm pretty sure I never said that o.o
I know that I _did_ mention a few years ago that the Imperium had lost the STCs for jetbikes (aside from Samael having one), but that info was prior to the Custodes getting 40K models which included jetbikes.
@40KTheories I seem to remember you making the statement that the imperium did not have anti-gravity technology. When you and another RUclipsr, we're doing videos on the technologies of the imperium. Talking about their space and aircraft technologies.
I remember a commenter pointing out that the imperium had antigravity technology. So it's perfectly reasonable for them to have flying bricks that are not aerodynamic. Then both you and the other youtuber saying. The imperium does not have anti-gravity technology.
I think it was more of a case saying that the flying bricks themselves did not incorporate anti-grav generators (since those are fairly visually distinct pieces of machinery that need to be fitted externally).
I'd need to double check those videos since they're about 7 years old at this point lol.
Even if I did say that the Imperium didn't have anti-grav tech at all, that would have been retconned once Primaris marines and their grav tanks got dropped on us a year or so after those videos dropped lol
@40KTheories I'm not so sure. Them having anti-gravity technology and incorporating it into all or most of their aircraft and spacecraft would explain why they're all just bricks. A powerful enough engine on a brick that can hold itself up without erodynamics can make that brick an incredibly fast brick.
Any society that makes thorough use and implementation of anti-gravity would naturally (gravitate) away from aerodynamics. Since it's not needed, and you can actually fit more objects inside of a space shaped like a brick or a blimp.
I think even the tech priests constant Dogma against out of the box thinking would be kicked to the curb if it meant Forge worlds and other planets could send and receive large amounts of supplies using anti-gravity
So I think even a tech priest would turn a blind sensor to somebody. Building an aircraft or a spacecraft or an orbital Launch vehicle when they said just stick an anti grave thing in the hull. Just disguise it so you can't see it from the outside. Thus, everything in their Empire turns into a flying brick.
It would make sense for them to use them for aircraft, I completely agree. But as far as we were able to find about seven years ago, they didn't. They may have changed in more recent lore, I'd be happy to admit. But back then we couldn't find any evidence of them using them on aircraft (again due to them being so visually distinct and needing to be fitted externally, since you can see them on the front half of land speeders for instance).
Yummy for my tummy - Whoever ate Land