Health minister calls for probe into specialist’s death
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024
- Dzulkelfy Ahmad responds to news reports on the recent death of a medical specialist at a hospital in Sabah.
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I was bullied and mentally tortured as a medical officer in Neurosurgery HSAJB 15 years ago.I chose to leave the department and ended up specialising in a different field of surgery. Im now a succesful consultant surgeon with a multi million dollar practice.Moral of the story is... be brave to walkaway from these bullies, taking ones life isnt the answer. This is a message for all my fellow doctors... you deserve so much better. Kudos to MOH for taking a stand.. teach these bullies a lesson.❤
My son quit with hospital citing bullying and derange sectional head mo.
The tip of the iceberg. Something is seriously wrong in the ministry
setuju, tak selesai2. harap rakyat tak berhenti suarakan isu ni, jika tidak lepas seminggu dua kes ni senyap
Kalau kena dkt aku, mmng kena lah siapa yg buli tue, pangkat tinggi ke, kena melawan, bantai je, baru orng yg buli kita nie takut.
@@aimaniman5557 pengalaman aku nurse lg byk buli doktor junior drpd pkar atau dr senior. Mcm gengster kdg depa. Terigt zaman asrama
It's not only in KKM. It's in every public service departments
Not in ministry everything are going wrong in MALAYSIA government.
From head to tail...
harap orang yang bertanggungjawab ditangkap Dan di bawa ke muka keadilan....ini adalah perbuatan orang sadis...yang seronok dlm keperitan orang lain 😢
Kematian doktor Tay sebab dibuli oleh ketua jabatan.Buli juga berlaku di banyak jabatan lain iaitu ketua jabatan membuli pegawai bawahnya.
In the past we heard of young doctor being bullied and jumped to their death, but the deceased was a head of a unit, still bull by her superior? So horrible
THIS IS MALAYSIA. PLEASE INVESTIGATE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE A REPEAT OF SUCH INCIDENTS. THANK YOU.
That's exactly why there won't be a proper investigation, cause it's Malaysia.
@@zieshakalakaboomboom
or same as india
Dapat dengar dari 20 tahun dulu, ramai doctors get warning if they don't simplify their daily work records or in any forensic or lab test results. There were complicated cases that requires specific attention, but we're told to just generalise the results to make things easy for the department heads. l know of so many cases where parents are afraid to allow their children to return from overseas studies to serve in the Malaysian Gov. Hosp. due to bullying by SOME of their seniors. Many young juniors are overworked in the past. Now this area of working hours are taken seriously by the MOH as they clock in & clock out at any given time. Bullying verbally or holding some different medical procedures for young doctors who stood for themselves will NEVER be tolerated especially by one or two Malay dept heads. Yes, as an Octogenarian, l dare say bullying is still rampant among medical team of doctors & even nurses. We are in the 21st Century where medical is so advanced & salary today is so much better than my time, in the 70s. Pls get into the root cause of the death of this young Chinese doctor who deserves certain kind of competitions & justice must prevail as one life is gone. Early demise is such a waste of time to raise him to this level of professionalism.
Pakar buli mo , mo buli ho, ho di buli pula oleh nurse n kdg oleh pesakit dan saudara mara mereka..🤦♂️🤦♂️rantai penyakit'..hrp kkm dh kena henti kn penyakit ini jika tidak mau para doktor cabut lari atau kerjaya ini sudah menjadi hantu👻 yg akn di jauhi..😔😢
Yg buli2 biase india cina though. Orang ada agama jarang buli2 ni
This is the tip of the Iceberg of the issue. KKM should investigate on this issue thoughly and the culprit should be brought to justice.
If it is a bully case, it would makes us feel upset that why so highly educated personal can still acted this way.
the bullies in Malaysia’s government sectors always win unfortunately…
Workplace bullying is everywhere. I believe that the majority of people have experienced it at least once in their work life, and the degree of bullying varies from one person to another.
We hope to see more attention given to the seriousness of such issues, as well as more studies conducted to find ways to overcome them, very soon.
More than meets the eye
This is not about bullying at workplace everywhere but the systems.
Separation of family and married at this age if due to contract Dr and long and challenging academic process, and still got bullied, one’s dignity can be shattered just like that. Bullying at workplace in hospital is unlike corporate politics etc. Malaysia lacks of non clinical jobs eg researchers making Drs have limited options. Don’t underestimate bullying in public health systems, many just dropped their dream and become a GP private dentist etc.
Overseas specialists path is one year after postgraduate experience. Here we got 4 years then followed with some years (luckiest another 4 yrs or FOREVER) under contract if denied to do MS/ Specialist training.
Then if got lucky admitted to do Specialist MS MRCP will be another 6,7 years.
One may just become a specialist at 40+ !!!!!
I strongly encourage contract Drs just leave Malaysia for better workplaces overseas to prosper their dreams. Hopeless unsolved Malaysia Healthcare systems.
Sad. Whoever is the cause, there is blood in their hands. Get to the root of the problem and prosecute if there is bullying or unfairness involved.
Just like the OKU got hit by police… This will take years to "investigate"…
In Malaysia, with the right “kulit”, you can get this done faster
Dia diam saja dulu orang sama kulitnya buang api kk mark pun tiada suara Tapi kalau orang sama kulitnya kena buli jangan ingat boleh lepaskan
We know she commit suicided due to bullying, but nobody will investigate the Senior Doctor (Little Napoleon) at the Hospital
why resort to commit suicide?? since shes a Pakar, why not just resign and cam the bullying drama. later viral and expose the pembuli??
Do not blame other..if suicide
@@zbk343 betul, after this, KKM make new rule in contract. no commit suicide !
@@zbk343stop condoning wrongdoers.
Bullying or sexual harassments?
I wonder what kind of investigation the cops did to arrive at such a speedy conclusion . I wonder if a postmortem was done .
she commit suicide, the post mortem wont show jack shizz unless she was murdered. which she isnt, she is bullied by her superior and add that to the fact that she has to be seperated from her husband in semenanjung, there is a lot of factors involved. but MUST find the bullies, it should be the head department,. hope they will name and shame him! no bully, this have been happening for so long
If indeed there was bullying by the dept head, then that can only be discovered if witnesses come forward to testify, would they??
You'll find bullying doctors are insecure nerds who are only good at memorizing things but are manipulative, pharma sales incentivised, incompetent and impatient at work and want constant attention from nursing staff. No psychological tests are conducted on medical practioners periodically because they are presumed to be in perfect health by virtue of their profession. The result shouldn't shock us after all we've had a doctor as PM twice
@@jonmath4182 yes captain that is what a probe meant for
Since when any gomen sector death is classified as malpractice, incompetence or negligent? They always declare 'sudden death' first, if victim's family has $$$$ with tak takut mati lawyer.... only got slight chance to prove them wrong
Could you please provide more information regarding the recent resignations of doctors from the Ministry of Health (MOH)? I am particularly interested in understanding the reasons behind these departures and the impact they are having on the various departments within the MOH. Additionally, I would like to know if there are any studies or plans in place to address this issue and prevent further staff from leaving for private sector opportunities.
Suasana kerja yg makin tk manusiawi terhadap para doctors insyaAllah akn keadaan ini akn terus berlaku..😔😢
and please dont make it a mere rm100 fine for the bullies that pushed a person to end their life 😢
If bullying is confirmed please take full action and prosecute the bully. Karma will give back this bully satu hari ini kalau dia terlepas kali ini
Yes, please investigate 👍
Jika bully berlaku dlm hospital maka ianya berlaku dimana2 saja. Pelik sikap dan mentaliti orang2 kita di malaysia ni.berhentilah budaya buli ni dan teringat dlm tahun 1980 di universiti2 telah berhenti drp buli 2 melampau slm kampus. Tapi hingga now buli tetap berlaku why. Pada doktor2 muda baru dilantik selalu kerja begitu teruk melayani pesakit2 yg ramai lebih2 lagi di hospital govt dan kadang2 kesian kerana dikatakan arahan . Perkara2 berulang2 berlaku kpd the next doktor baru dan seterusnya. Sepatutnya tak berlaku lagi dan rancang2 kerja2 yg teratutur dan hindarkan dendam 2 spt statement aku pernah dibuli now giliran kamu pula kena buli. Mentaliti spt ini lah yg berlaku berulang2 . Perkara ini boleh dihentikani jika passion, compaasion ada dlm jiwa dan insan terhadap semua orang bila berkomunikasi dan juga waspada kpd malas, lagak, sombong, pendendam, irihati dll. Itulah Islam Madani yg diperjuangkan oleh PM Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim. Jiwa kaum,taksub dll yg masih kuat berada dlm diri dan jiwa usahalah utk diketepikan. Just pandangan
Innalillahi wainna ilahi rajiuun.Soooo sad.My daughter also faced bulling from specialist wen working as houseman .She didnt want to go to work anymore.till my husband, also a doctor met the HOD..
this can happen only when ur husband meet them, in short or dalam, or kaki. so they stop because they dont wanna step on the wrong foot, but this girl has nobody, the pressure of being bully .. far away from husband and all, name and shame the head dept! i saw picture but not sure which is which, but i suspect its the fat one in batik shirt, because in one of the pic he is crossing his arms and looking at the girl like in not a good facial expression!
Time kerja yg tk masuk aqal ,tk boleh silap sikit kena mrh kiri kanan ,ini nama nya penderaan lahir batin 😀mmg ada byk ho yg cabut lari..tidur dlm kereta akibat keletihan dan yg paling teruk solat mcm ayam patuk makanan atau tinggal solat terus...itu yg berlaku....😢😔
Should appoint an independent team to investigate this matter..not the health ministry..😢
how come PMX cannot call for probe into OKU and alleged Pahang royalty stabbing+shooting case?
The Tengku Mahkota had called for a probe.. but till now nothing nothing nothing..
Dia hari hari sibuk nak makan angin luarnegara tiada sumbangan langsung dlm pimpinannya banyak masalah agama buli orang
If he take action then PAS Bersatu will accuse him of derhaka towards the Sultan. Only naive people will not believe VIP are truly above the law in this country.
Sudden death is a stupid statement, howcome a young lady die so?
This is not something normal and the family of the deceased specialist must try all avenues to probe into the actual cause of death and bring all or any staffs involved to face consequences
This does not only happen in government sectors, it also happens in private sectors. There has been many such cases, people speak up and complain to HR yet the victims are the one who will be blamed for “complaining”. Government needs to act and pass a bill to ensure workplace bullying be treated as criminal offence.
Lapur pembulian yg mengakibat kn kecederaan, pesalah bebas begitu ja..Hrp kerajaan tlg ada kn undang yg lebih bersungguh dan bertanggung jwb lh dllm kes2 terkait keganasan terhadap sesama manusia ni 😔😡
It is indeed sad that we as Malaysians pride ourselves as dignified and courteous people but our actions and words show how uncivilized and rude and demeaning we have become. It is time the powers that be look hard into themselves and the people and find the way back so we be the people we pride ourselves - courteous, compassion, polite, ...
We pride ourselves as being civilized and moral but everyday events proved otherwise.The moral compass of our country is being neutralized by the bully culture, bullying of minorities by certain majority race politician is endorsed by cabinet, the same culture of bullying is rampant on internet, in schools,in colleges,now we hear about it in the hospitals which has been going on for years!Bully bullies because they can, coming from a culture of entitlement, and the belief that one class of people are superior than the other, although by their actions they prove otherwise! Unless the leaders have political will to change this instead of subscribing to it , we are going to see more of it in future.The country's cabinet should spare us the hypocritical show of outrage!
KKM should be proactive in dealing with bully cases at government hospitals. It is an open secret that junior doctors and those doing housemanship are being bullied mentally and perhaps physically too. Year in year out similar cases occurred. Many quit without completing housemanship programme. Minister of health must make surprise visits to government hospitals especially at state capitals, like JB, KL, Seremban, looh & Georgetown.
Perlu siasat semua.... Byk field yg suka bully. Dorang rasa dorang sdh hebat. Org2 mcm ni lah yg akan hancurkan negara
As a politician a health minister has to pay a lip service on the matter. The problem has persisted for so long that nothing happened so far despite changes in health minister one after another. I don't expect much from this lip service.
I have friends who are doctors and they do say that it's not uncommon for bullying to happen, especially if a senior/supervisor doesn't like you.
do something the relevant authorities !!
Are you sure want to investigate ???
My sister requested for transfer after several higher ups of a hospital that transferred in the last couple of years behaved extremely toxic to the workforce. Several other doctors have also requested to transfer out. My sister has also had several mental breakdowns because of the working conditions there.
She is much happier in her new workplace despite being busier.
Overworked and underpaid and then to swallow all these bullyinhg
terrible the old napoleons have to be removed and sent to govt clinics to see walk in patients change with completely new team of younger people
Seemed with all purpose and intent to cover up the issue at hand, std Sip by the police
...sadly, it happened in some sector of our society, bullies quietly erasing those deserving ones and there's no ending of these bad practices.
The hospital & ministry is truly complacent if they have a psychopath as the HOD.
Bullying seemingly becomes a norm and a work place culture mentality. Strive to look to address this extremely serious issue affecting medical personnel.
Polis also dumb.. cause of death not mentioned. All sudden deaths hv a medical reason lah.. heart attack is also a sudden death.
Who is dumb. You think they will reveal the whole truth nothing but the truth. Wake up please
This issue had been a trivial issue...need to be adrressed immediately.
The health minister is a weak soul... Nothing is going to happen... The case will be NFA after years of investigating.
Cepat - cepat siasat, jangan tunggu lama ,kalau tidak rakyat tak sokong kerajaan madani lagi😂
as usual i think KKM will sweep this under the carpet?
Kena minta2 all ytubers/influencer bercakap mcm ni, sama mcm kes GIBH, push sampai dorg buat kerja atau desak letak jawatan, pecat atau rombakan.
Masa isu ho sg buloh pun mula dgn media jgn harap tinggi pihak kkm
KKM harus disiasat
siasat apa, dah kasik free healthcare ma, nak bising lagi? tarik balik free healthcare kang, takot tak? insulin tarak ye, beli sendiri, ubat darah tinggi beli sendiri, mampu tak? akhirnya kena kow tow kat kkm jugak pakcik
what's wrong with the work culture? i thought msia has the warmest and friendliest people in the world?
Obviously, there seems to be no systems or mechanism in place to check all this from happening. Sad that it has to take someone's life for those above to wake up.
Who is willing to bet - in the end, f**k all will happen
Obviously there is no end to bullying. It's present right from childhood to adulthood as in the recent cases which have been highlighted. However , workplace bullying is not confined to government sector. Bullying shd be nipped in the bud. Both parents and teachers shd put a stop to this behaviour.
Datuk hope u check long hour work in hospital makes stafs to b tired
new slogan in the organization is agi idup agi ngelaban.... by rentap, sarawakian ibanese... in modern definition, belum mati sambung kerja... you think they care about long hour of work? exhaustion ?.... instead they ask, Still alive right, not yet die right, continue to work please
Hello MOH(KKM),where are you?
Hon Health Minister ... bullying is prevalent and rudeness .. directors of Hospitals tend too look the othe way
Heard of friends children (non Muslims) who graduated with overseas medical degrees. They totally and flatly refused to work for any government hospital in Malaysia. We totally supported their decisions. Connected them to overseas hospitals where they were accepted with open arms. Am SO happy that they are still treated with dignity and huge respect by their peers and nursing team.
Non Muslim children, get your degrees. If financial is a deterrent to furthering your education overseas, do not fret. Complete your studies in Malaysia. For those who can't afford private universities affiliated to overseas universities, try to apply for PTPTN loan. Alternatively, try to get scholarship (even partial). Whatever it is, try not to study in local university because the lecturers don't speak fluent English. Competency level of Muslim students in English is sickening. When you see them, speak in English to them. But if they want to learn English from you, DO NOT teach them at all. Just avoid them. They just are too lazy to take the initiative to learn English on their own. They just want to be spoonfed.
Sudden death is not from bullying. its from suntikan. duhhh
Nyawa orang penting jangan lepaskan yg buli orang itu seperti sikap Amal Kerja doktor sangat tension gaji rendah lagi teruk kena Oncall masa panjang kerana kekurangan doktor Kerja doktor macam kerja seksa terutamanya kerja kerajaan dinegara ini mereka tidak dijaga oleh kerajaan
It happens almost every in public agencies. Where is a non-biased integrity check for public service and statutory bodies?
Pembuli akan dihantui sentiasa dgn kes ini! Anda mungkin x rasa bersalah di dunia ini
ini sebab mungkin HO nak jadi MO dan MO nak jadi pakar, jadi pakar mungkin kena buat keja HO, MO dan kerja dia sendiri, silap2 kerja admin pun kena tolak kan dia...
Looks like so many bullies against doctor very common in Malaysian hospitals...also against new housemanship....many of new medical students are fled to overseas...
Pk menteri sila ada kn pertemuan dgn dgn para doctors dr ho hingga ke pakar, di semua hospital dari distrik ke gh , anda akn tau apa yg mereka hadap selama ini dgn lebih tepat dan benar.!.😔😢
Its bullying lah. No foul play. What are you talking about. A life is lost
Yes good
Bully by gomen officer?
Oi. Specialist also kena bully meh??? I would've thought only junior doctors get bullied. By specialists, of all people. Hmmm... 🤔
Pengarah Hospital klang skrng ni and medical HOD pun kena check tu. Ad comittee dlm tu. Specialist baru masuk either di threaten suruh senyap and join the bullying culture, or get ready to be bullied along with the mos. And the bullies gang, even mo komittee aka penjilat, can bully new specialist and get away because the HOD will cover. My friend sp dah lari pergi private.
One Last Breath (Creed)
Hold me now
I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking
Maybe six feet ain't so far down
Hold me now
I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking
Maybe six feet ain't so far down
Please come now, I think I'm falling
I'm holding on to all I think is safe
Biasalaaaaaaaaa
Apa yang biasa?
waa everyone in the comment is emo, also the victim no need to resort for commit suicide. since shes a PAKAR. just resign, hire a lawyer and sue the pembuli and kkm...
Sureeeee, we all believe something will be done. An innocent scapegoat will be pull out, and nothing will change. This a specialist that was bully, imagine those people below master student/ MO/ HO etc. Popcorn ready.
Head of deoartment bullied by who.pity the junior dr.
Tell the cause of death first bro ..
Specialist get bullied ? Almost unheard of and chemical pathologist ? The most easy job position ? No bully can be terrible in that position
Wow! Easily gotten rid ya. "Sudden Death".
Mana boleh lawan ketua jabatan. Patut ketua jabatan Naik Pangkat
Manusia menidakkan setiap yg bernyawa akan mati kerana takut akan sebab
Kejam. Kena siasat, apa jenis buli yang dibuat oleh ketua jabatan yang baru naik pangkat itu! Buli apa? Dari segi Kerja kah? Perkauman kah? Benci kah? Cemburu kah? Tekanan seksualkah???
No
aikk, takde pulak suara dr akmal dlm isu ni
This brings to mind the news some time ago of sexual demands by high ranking officers in hospitals
Improve on the quality of gov hospital medical pls,got fever, finished all provided pills by doc, nvr recover.
At the end, went to private clinic, only took a day fully recovered.
I do feel the quality of pills is massive different 😢
amalan buli dah jadi kebiasaan di mana2 tempat kerja tetapi mana tindakan polis ataupun kerajaan?
nak buat lagi SSPA, tengok la nanti, sistem berasaskan performance, amalan buli tarak kan, semua adil dan sama rata kan. tengok la nanti
What about GISB????
Are you a tamil eelam?? You bharatiya janata party??
Thats why Malaysia is going down south. So many ares to rectify.... it'll take a 100 years to do it.
continue free healthcare lor, waste money to save garbage in society. spend money unproductively on people who dont pay taxes. go down the drain lor
KENAPA RAKYAT TAK DI BERI VITAMIN LAGI DAN
TAK BERI INSULIN LAGI.
ADAKAH MENTERI KESIHATAN NAK CEPAT RAKYAK MATI ATAU SENGAJA MEMBIARKAN LEBIH BANYAK RAKYAT CEPAT GUNA DIALYSIS. MENTERI KESIHATAN DAN TIMBALAN MENTERI KESIHATAN SERTA PMX ADA SYER DGN PUSAT DIALYSIS.
Memang la Doktor senior kurang ajar .maki mencarut semua ada . Seblm houseman buat la kursus bina negara .kursus managment .kurus kemanusian .semua turn up jd kursng ajak .
Look at wgat happened to Dr Moumita Debnath
Keep on talking but still do nothing, expect nothing from KKM, it's a cartel business down there
Boss doktor ada masaalah rumah tangga atau girlfriend dtg kerja belasah Dr bawahan.
it's normal here, if you ask specialists, they will say that that regime makes them what they are today and this new generation is weak. So its up to KKM to resolve this. Lantak korang.
Malaysian doctors are beginning to suffer like trainee and specialist doctors pf India....
they dont care, they just want to continue free healthcare yet cut cost by reducing your manpower, no houseman policy.... rakyat also dont care, they just want free medicine, free stay, free food, free treatment, free dressing, free surgery... they dont care if their doctor is dying or not
This is KKM though
yea, we call it kongkek2 malaysia
NFA
Malaysia like India pls pls look into this.
My heart really goes out to the family of the victim…. But please do not bring India into this….
Useless Dr Dzul, I expected him to solve contract Drs issue immediately after appointment. Cannot he see the tough journey for Dr to become a specialist take like years? They didn’t control output of medical graduates but control that of specialist. After long years of academic, and she had to relocate with husband for training, at this very age 40yo, still got bullied by senior Dr. What kind of shit the government had done for decades to provide Drs at workplace. Drs are also humans and if a Dr has family problems die to relocation and bully at workplace, how can they have peace of mind everyday?
this dude is useless minister, just because of him, the way he handles kkm, i will vote for the other side, sorry this dude tak bole pakai at all
Muda2 sudden death?
NATO Minister
Fa so la ti do
mentally abuse will cause depression
I think her death was self inflicted due to the lack of self preservation skills which shows she did not know how to protect her well being most important of all mentally after living a life as a Christian who belief are based totally on nonsense which led to mental abuse then death. She should have acted and spoken like a man when outside but can still act like a woman when inside the house.
Office bullying or office politics are common, but this needs to be controlled to provide a better environment.
The newcomers are normally being bullied by the veterans of a company or establishment.