i highrolled lightning storm on this run with 50 hits (26+24). ~21 hits are expected for each air glyph, but that number can often go as low as 14 or as high as 30. this is how it is like to benchmark power elementalist on small hitbox! still, you don't need an especially large number of hits to achieve the desired first number/end number. 49k first number w/ 21 glyph hits: ruclips.net/video/65xn3sDuRuI/видео.html ~42.7k end number w/ 40 glyph hits: ruclips.net/video/C3LjnqjCBr8/видео.html ideally you can play the second weave self completely identical with the first weave self (auto chain -> flame uprising -> dust storm) but i had to compromise in order to fit my damage before the golem died. i'm avoiding cyclone because the damage per cast time is not fantastic, but you should still cast it on boss scenarios where polaric leap alone is insufficient to finish the breakbar.
On a scale of “trolling” to “basically the same,” where does dagger offhand sit? I just really don’t like the WH compared to dagger’s moveset and style.
Just be careful with relic of fireworks… The SwDa combi only has 20 sec cooldowns on earth 3 & 5 (as far as i can remember) which is not a lot Warhorn has it on most 5 skills… Maybe use relic of thief or even relic of weaver but then you would need other stance skills instead of the arcane one
@@Cross_111 Last I checked fireworks considers the base cd of skills before cooldown reduction from traits (e.g. fire and air) which means it procs from f5, a4, e5 (and technically ae3)
@@iioxy7530 its true that cooldown reductions are irrelevant here, but the issue is that fireworks only works with weapon skills. So no f skills - just 1-5 on your weapons. If you have enough skills with 20 seconds (or more) the uptime is better. Warhorn ones are all over 20 (more like 30). Just checked the wiki for dagger - in fire, water & earth the 5 has 20 (& one weaved skill). Also 4&5 in air but those do no dmg. As long as thats taken into consideration then you are golden 😄
I dont like the cooldowns increase on some of the elementalist weapon skills, 30 seconds for low to mediocre impact spells is really alot of time to be locked on just this weapon. Now I dont see a reason to play anything different than weaver sword dagger, sword focus as offset weapons, might replace the sword on the offset for scepter, but it really doesnt matter because all elementalist spells are close quarter spells, and since elementalist cant freely switch weapons in combat, this idea is kinda obsolete. I dont like the greathammer damage and how its damage fluctuates, maybe with quickness it will be different but it definately feels the need of attack speed trait like the warriors have in atleast catalyst traitline. This was supposed to be the main power build spec with heavy focus on the lightning tree, but it turns out condition tempest is on top with 45k dps and weaver is second with both of its damage type iterations.
Hi I'm currently build this build... it seems like I can't use the warhorn with weaver spec, do I need the exact Berserker's Warhorn or is there anything I have to take note in order to use warhorn for this build ?
I'm having a lot of trouble with the power weaver. I don't test with all the buffs and debuffs or food because I mainly solo open world stuff but Condi weaver I can get like 13.5k and kill the 1m golem in about 75 seconds with trailblazer gear But with power I struggle to hit 9k dps by the end. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, if it's just my gear, if my rotation is bad or anything
Boons make a huge difference, and there are builds that sufer more than others from missing boons. Literally the only boons condi weaver needs is might. Alac and Quickness are really nice but you are not as dependend on constantly switching elements like power weaver, because you go on earth because all other skills in fire are on cooldown so you make a quick trip there. Power weaver on the other hand has most of his highest damage skills on fire (fire 2,3,5) but the strongest auto attacks (and air 3,5) are on air and you want to double atune. So alac makes a huge difference. Probably its more optimal to do a similar thing on power weaver regarding air like with earth on condi weaver, but only without alac. Because your damage comes from so many sources and a huge chunk of it are auto attacks quickness is really important too. On top of that there is fury which most power dps classes need to crit cap. When you are missing 25 percent crit chance that means every fourth hit (and you wanna hit reeeeaaaally fast) isnt crit and doesnt get increased by your ferocity stat you invested heavily in. To Summarize: Before judging your builds max performance and espeacially your performance with it try it a few times with atleast 10 boons (including the most important once: fury, alac, quick, might) on a 4m golem. That makes it easier to help you (with logs etc.) and it gives a better perspective for you where you stand. If you have any furthermore question post them here. Good Luck and have fun with it:)
I really appreciate the response. I have since made a Chronomancer to pass the time and learned just how much of a difference boons make since that can basically 1-man itself into permanent might, fury, quickness and alacrity. I plan on giving weaver another go today since it's still my favorite class, though it's a little disheartening to know what a poor performance it'll have completely solo
@@taa347 Nice to hear that you plan on giving weaver another chance! On the solo thing: Yes power weaver suffers especially hard without boons and i myself switched a while back from power Weaver first to power catalyst and now to condi weaver in open world. But it pays you back double time doing it in groups like raids or strikes! To give you an alternative for open world: Try condi weaver in open world (i quite like sword/focus despite it not being the "optimal" weapon combo on the golem) with an combination of trailblazer and viper gear + baltazar runes. This build equally struggles keeping up boons like fury, might and prot, not to talk about harder boons like alac or quick which are impossible. BUT it is a great combination of good condi dmg and survivability. First condi dmg: Condi builds on weaver are always pretty strong and quite bursty because you do so much burning (and mainly that). Your rune can focus on burning and you are fine. Condi builds in general allow you to kite a bit to gain health/ regain abilities because their condis keep ticking. Furthermore condi only really need two stats: expertise and condi damage, the one to two other stats can be for survivalbility or a bit power damage. The last isnt that bad which is one reason why weaver had and has a hybrid build which were never really best-in-slot but always quite close. That helps with getting enemies to die quickly while not being so on edge like power weaver. Now survivability: (with sword/focus) The stat combos trailblazer/viper combi allows you to have 17k health (take "Masters Fortitude" in weaver for over 20k health), 100% burning duration and high condi damage while criting every third attack. You wont burst nearly as hard as pure berzerker power weaver but you wont die nearly as fast as power weaver. Baltazar hero point solo with condi weaver isnt that hard and i dont know if someone has done that with power weaver. Your main "tank" element earth grants you acces to one evade+bleeding (earth 2), stab+barrier+burning (earth/fire dual), 3s invuln (earth 5) and blast finisher+bleeding (earth 4, insta cast). Rotate through fire and earth and most veterans and elites melt while you stay healthy. When you need to resustain - no problem, just rotate into water without fully attuning to it and get acces to healing through waterfield + blast finisher, direct healing abilites and burning application (combine water with fire) So Tl,Dr: Condi weaver is a great way to enjoy the weaver gameplay (which is the best designed elite spec imo) and be able to have fun doing open world successfully - with or without allies. Are there better solo builds on other ele specs or other classes out there? Yeah. But if you enjoy weaver give it a try! Have fun! (chrono is also great but comon - its Weaver:D) The build i am using right now (and mainly wrote about): gw2skills.net/editor/?PGgAw2lZwuYSsImJOqOWvKA-DSRYkRDXqZQWnRCKgSlAK8wgK8GA-e I totaly didnt just see that your initial comment states that you are already using condi weaver xD. I will post the comment anyways maybe someone else finds that interesting and helpfull. If you have any questions regarding power weaver rotation just write it here. I myself cant quite reach the bench (~3k off) but maybe i can give some advice. If i write something stupid atleast theres a chance ryan or someone else notices it:D
@@eachone9220 ofc it can, but the average player will never see those numbers. Thats why you dont wanna go with the dagger. Just plan better when movement is involved 👍
I fear with roul gone there will be no one pushing that build to its limits because it is probably still 1-2k worse - after ryans optimizations over the last few months probably even more now. You can probably adapt rouls rotation from his last bench video to sword/warhorn and use the same build except for fresh air but i dont know of anyone posting videos pushing that build.
Dagger is still better if you need more breakbar, but unfortunatelly it's just not as efficient for DPS. Especially with the new Fireworks relic proccing only on 20s or longer cooldown skills
the weave self is way too close for most real fights isnt it? i can barely make it work on the golem, if you're just missing 1 sec of alac in the beginning you wont be able to get this right
My experience is the first weave self he does here is possible in real raids (maybe without pushing fire aa before switching f/f => a/f => w/a) but i wouldnt try starting the weave self as early as he did his second. But you canbe probably a bit faster than i am and get it done like him on the golem
@@Contam yes, i much prefer s/d playstyle but my dps is quite a bit lower relative to warhorn in the new expansion. If you have a high dps rotation, it would be great to check it out
i highrolled lightning storm on this run with 50 hits (26+24). ~21 hits are expected for each air glyph, but that number can often go as low as 14 or as high as 30. this is how it is like to benchmark power elementalist on small hitbox! still, you don't need an especially large number of hits to achieve the desired first number/end number.
49k first number w/ 21 glyph hits: ruclips.net/video/65xn3sDuRuI/видео.html
~42.7k end number w/ 40 glyph hits: ruclips.net/video/C3LjnqjCBr8/видео.html
ideally you can play the second weave self completely identical with the first weave self (auto chain -> flame uprising -> dust storm) but i had to compromise in order to fit my damage before the golem died. i'm avoiding cyclone because the damage per cast time is not fantastic, but you should still cast it on boss scenarios where polaric leap alone is insufficient to finish the breakbar.
what about dagger offhand? i just did some tries and got to like 40k with the old rotation lol
Finally! Good work
thank you Ryan, very cool
the transition that you have between elemental swaps are so fast, it feels so smooth, how much is your ping ?
On a scale of “trolling” to “basically the same,” where does dagger offhand sit? I just really don’t like the WH compared to dagger’s moveset and style.
i tested it on the golem, got like 45k openers with 40k end number which is super fine honestly
Just be careful with relic of fireworks…
The SwDa combi only has 20 sec cooldowns on earth 3 & 5 (as far as i can remember) which is not a lot
Warhorn has it on most 5 skills…
Maybe use relic of thief or even relic of weaver but then you would need other stance skills instead of the arcane one
@@Cross_111 Last I checked fireworks considers the base cd of skills before cooldown reduction from traits (e.g. fire and air) which means it procs from f5, a4, e5 (and technically ae3)
@@iioxy7530 its true that cooldown reductions are irrelevant here, but the issue is that fireworks only works with weapon skills. So no f skills - just 1-5 on your weapons. If you have enough skills with 20 seconds (or more) the uptime is better. Warhorn ones are all over 20 (more like 30).
Just checked the wiki for dagger - in fire, water & earth the 5 has 20 (& one weaved skill). Also 4&5 in air but those do no dmg. As long as thats taken into consideration then you are golden 😄
how would one adjust this to fury/might application in solo pve (in power gear)?
I dont like the cooldowns increase on some of the elementalist weapon skills, 30 seconds for low to mediocre impact spells is really alot of time to be locked on just this weapon. Now I dont see a reason to play anything different than weaver sword dagger, sword focus as offset weapons, might replace the sword on the offset for scepter, but it really doesnt matter because all elementalist spells are close quarter spells, and since elementalist cant freely switch weapons in combat, this idea is kinda obsolete.
I dont like the greathammer damage and how its damage fluctuates, maybe with quickness it will be different but it definately feels the need of attack speed trait like the warriors have in atleast catalyst traitline. This was supposed to be the main power build spec with heavy focus on the lightning tree, but it turns out condition tempest is on top with 45k dps and weaver is second with both of its damage type iterations.
the rotation explained in snowcrows is different from the video? why?
Hi I'm currently build this build... it seems like I can't use the warhorn with weaver spec, do I need the exact Berserker's Warhorn or is there anything I have to take note in order to use warhorn for this build ?
you need to own secrets of the obscure and complete the first/second chapter, I don’t remember which.
@@gryfall 3 chapter
no matter what I do I can't get above 31k. I don't have any might infusions but that shouldn't make that much of a diffrence, right?
18 infusions x5 power = 90 power ---> 1 power food => + 100 Power.
Try playing without food and you might find out.
try not to cancel the 3rd hit of your auto attack chains as this is a big portion of your damage
why is this not on snowcrow benchmark if you hitting 42k+ ?
It is. I came here from there.
it's very strong
I'm having a lot of trouble with the power weaver. I don't test with all the buffs and debuffs or food because I mainly solo open world stuff but
Condi weaver I can get like 13.5k and kill the 1m golem in about 75 seconds with trailblazer gear
But with power I struggle to hit 9k dps by the end. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, if it's just my gear, if my rotation is bad or anything
Boons make a huge difference, and there are builds that sufer more than others from missing boons. Literally the only boons condi weaver needs is might. Alac and Quickness are really nice but you are not as dependend on constantly switching elements like power weaver, because you go on earth because all other skills in fire are on cooldown so you make a quick trip there.
Power weaver on the other hand has most of his highest damage skills on fire (fire 2,3,5) but the strongest auto attacks (and air 3,5) are on air and you want to double atune. So alac makes a huge difference. Probably its more optimal to do a similar thing on power weaver regarding air like with earth on condi weaver, but only without alac.
Because your damage comes from so many sources and a huge chunk of it are auto attacks quickness is really important too. On top of that there is fury which most power dps classes need to crit cap. When you are missing 25 percent crit chance that means every fourth hit (and you wanna hit reeeeaaaally fast) isnt crit and doesnt get increased by your ferocity stat you invested heavily in.
To Summarize:
Before judging your builds max performance and espeacially your performance with it try it a few times with atleast 10 boons (including the most important once: fury, alac, quick, might) on a 4m golem. That makes it easier to help you (with logs etc.) and it gives a better perspective for you where you stand.
If you have any furthermore question post them here.
Good Luck and have fun with it:)
I really appreciate the response. I have since made a Chronomancer to pass the time and learned just how much of a difference boons make since that can basically 1-man itself into permanent might, fury, quickness and alacrity.
I plan on giving weaver another go today since it's still my favorite class, though it's a little disheartening to know what a poor performance it'll have completely solo
@@taa347 Nice to hear that you plan on giving weaver another chance!
On the solo thing:
Yes power weaver suffers especially hard without boons and i myself switched a while back from power Weaver first to power catalyst and now to condi weaver in open world.
But it pays you back double time doing it in groups like raids or strikes!
To give you an alternative for open world:
Try condi weaver in open world (i quite like sword/focus despite it not being the "optimal" weapon combo on the golem) with an combination of trailblazer and viper gear + baltazar runes. This build equally struggles keeping up boons like fury, might and prot, not to talk about harder boons like alac or quick which are impossible. BUT it is a great combination of good condi dmg and survivability.
First condi dmg:
Condi builds on weaver are always pretty strong and quite bursty because you do so much burning (and mainly that). Your rune can focus on burning and you are fine. Condi builds in general allow you to kite a bit to gain health/ regain abilities because their condis keep ticking.
Furthermore condi only really need two stats: expertise and condi damage, the one to two other stats can be for survivalbility or a bit power damage. The last isnt that bad which is one reason why weaver had and has a hybrid build which were never really best-in-slot but always quite close. That helps with getting enemies to die quickly while not being so on edge like power weaver.
Now survivability: (with sword/focus)
The stat combos trailblazer/viper combi allows you to have 17k health (take "Masters Fortitude" in weaver for over 20k health), 100% burning duration and high condi damage while criting every third attack. You wont burst nearly as hard as pure berzerker power weaver but you wont die nearly as fast as power weaver. Baltazar hero point solo with condi weaver isnt that hard and i dont know if someone has done that with power weaver.
Your main "tank" element earth grants you acces to one evade+bleeding (earth 2), stab+barrier+burning (earth/fire dual), 3s invuln (earth 5) and blast finisher+bleeding (earth 4, insta cast). Rotate through fire and earth and most veterans and elites melt while you stay healthy. When you need to resustain - no problem, just rotate into water without fully attuning to it and get acces to healing through waterfield + blast finisher, direct healing abilites and burning application (combine water with fire)
So Tl,Dr:
Condi weaver is a great way to enjoy the weaver gameplay (which is the best designed elite spec imo) and be able to have fun doing open world successfully - with or without allies. Are there better solo builds on other ele specs or other classes out there? Yeah. But if you enjoy weaver give it a try! Have fun! (chrono is also great but comon - its Weaver:D)
The build i am using right now (and mainly wrote about):
gw2skills.net/editor/?PGgAw2lZwuYSsImJOqOWvKA-DSRYkRDXqZQWnRCKgSlAK8wgK8GA-e
I totaly didnt just see that your initial comment states that you are already using condi weaver xD. I will post the comment anyways maybe someone else finds that interesting and helpfull.
If you have any questions regarding power weaver rotation just write it here. I myself cant quite reach the bench (~3k off) but maybe i can give some advice. If i write something stupid atleast theres a chance ryan or someone else notices it:D
Clean as always! Praying for more non-scourge content 😔
Ryan \o/ how you doing
how much better is it than using sword/dagger?
much
@@Emanx2318 fuck it, still using dagger. Warhorn can kiss my ass
@@Emanx2318dagger can be pushed to 41k, it's got better burst, better cc, and doesn't care if the target moves. Very competitive option.
@@eachone9220 ofc it can, but the average player will never see those numbers. Thats why you dont wanna go with the dagger. Just plan better when movement is involved 👍
Where fresh air weaver? 😢
I fear with roul gone there will be no one pushing that build to its limits because it is probably still 1-2k worse - after ryans optimizations over the last few months probably even more now. You can probably adapt rouls rotation from his last bench video to sword/warhorn and use the same build except for fresh air but i dont know of anyone posting videos pushing that build.
Is warhorn still the flat out best? I was excited for some Sw/D gameplay
Dagger is still better if you need more breakbar, but unfortunatelly it's just not as efficient for DPS. Especially with the new Fireworks relic proccing only on 20s or longer cooldown skills
the weave self is way too close for most real fights isnt it? i can barely make it work on the golem, if you're just missing 1 sec of alac in the beginning you wont be able to get this right
My experience is the first weave self he does here is possible in real raids (maybe without pushing fire aa before switching f/f => a/f => w/a) but i wouldnt try starting the weave self as early as he did his second. But you canbe probably a bit faster than i am and get it done like him on the golem
If u struggle with that just use the "fresh air" trait. Slightly less dps but makes the rotation much more dynamic.
@@NycroLP what? that makes literally 0 sense on every level lmao
@@Nightcrawl7 It does make sense if you have more than a week of ele experience lmao
@@NycroLP i think you're trolling but i'm not sure to be honest
I've tried this, the best I hit is 27k dps (no food nor raiser)
Anet: Nerf this!!!!!!!!!!
idk about this.. i got 45k with s/d pretty easily
which rotation did u use?
@@Asab972 the s/d one?
@@Contam yes, i much prefer s/d playstyle but my dps is quite a bit lower relative to warhorn in the new expansion. If you have a high dps rotation, it would be great to check it out
@@ContamI'm rather skeptical, can you share a log?
@@Contam sorry did not realize you're meming