I just figured out another reason why I love this channel so much: your color pallet!! The neons, the vaporwave, etc., are stunning! I've always been a sucker for that.
Great (but scary) find that not all Intel boards automatically support QuickSync. Never even considered that. If I would pick Intel + nVidia over AMD it would primarily be for improved support in video editing software, so QuickSync would be critical. Hopefully it's indeed a limited issue, but thanks for the reminder to stay vigilant on all details and aspects with hardware purchasing decisions.
6:35 I guess it's a different story in laptop land, because if a laptop has an Intel CPU, then having Intel integrated graphics available is always a given. So finding out that it's not also just always there on the desktop side is honestly a bit of a shock to me. Video editing / quicksync isn't exactly an edge case I don't think
@@GearSeekers Hahaha I was actually thinking that was the only exception, some Aorus laptop from like 3 years ago that was Nvidia dGPU only for what ever reason, but that was literally the only machine I've had in 250+ that way, so didn't figure it was worthwhile as an example against myself 😅
I bet someone just made the decision thinking "nobody will use it anyway"... I feel like people in management sometimes make these calls and hope nobody notices. Btw, love the GS light/logo on the shelf!
The ability to troubleshoot with the iGPU is a huge deal IMO. It also helps once you retire the system and turn it into a NAS or router. With AMD, the CPU may be low power, but I still have to take up a PCIE slot with a dedicated GPU.
That's half true. Most AMD boards will allow you to run headless without a GPU or any video output. You can set it up, pull out the GPU and connect remotely. I pushed MSI to add this feature in their BIOS and they added it. Most other motherboard manufacturers will support it anyways ;)
Actually, my board (ASUS z690 Maximus Apex), does not have a dedicated video port on the I/O shield. However, it does have a thunderbolt connection available, but I have a 12900KF so hard to tell if the option would be available on mine. To be fair, in my case, it’s quite possible it doesn’t have a dedicated power delivery phase for the iGPU either since it’s considered an “overclocking” board. I also looked into it, and none of my applications regarding my work utilize any quicksync so I’m settled with my KF. I also discovered that my board is rated for 64Gb @ 6400Mhz, so I might consider getting rid of my rgb puke dominator platinums since I’m avoiding armory crate like the plague 😈.
I would expect the more fully featured chipset (Z690) to support the Intel iGPU's. Maybe they could get away with not supporting it in say the B660 chipset, although I personally have a B660-I (ITX) motherboard that does have iGPU support.
WTF. I just bought a Z690 Unify and didn’t even think it wouldn’t support quick sync. Why?! Now I have to return it as I actually use it and COUNTED on having it. This isn’t a joke. Who’s dumb idea was it to disable Quicksync? I literally have to tear my whole system down now and go through the process of replacing the board. Wow… MSI…WHY?!?
Ayo, Nick! I think the general train of thought should be: if there's any form of a display output (HDMI, DP, or Thunderbolt), the board has to support it. If the board doesn't have any form of display outputs, it's fair to assume the board won't support QuickSync. I can't specifically talk about this gen. because I upgraded my i3-10100 to a 5900X but I did have a i7-2600 back in the day with an *MSI* PH67A-C43 (B3) that didn't have any display outputs (weird for an H67 board) and there was no way to enable the iGPU within the BIOS. Great content, mate!
I only have one HDMI out on my Gigabyte z490 ud and it has on board graphics enabled. I use the onboard graphics to decoding videos I watch from youtube and twitch streams to take the load off my discrete graphics card.
I wonder what the cost difference would be between including it on a board, vs not including it. There might have to be a substantial difference. I'd love to get your input on a mobo I'm looking at, I know you don't review them (I wish you did), but I'd still like to know what you think about the X570 Dark Hero.
I think it's a combo of msi trying to save money and them thinking that if someone is spending that much on a motherboard that they're most likely gonna have a graphics card
Totally unrelated, but I got a Macube green and pink for my twin girls, I really dug the reviews you did, just internalising on a not too expensive cooling fan selection.. (pc's will take hand me down ryzen 3100's and 1050 ti's from the older boys machines. who are probably going to 12100's and rx6600's) - not a question, just a thumbs up.
The ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex is another board that doesn't have any display outs, not even thunderbolt, would be interesting to see if ASUS does the same thing as MSI and completely disable the iGPU on that board. Maybe we can find someone who has that board? The MSI Z690 Ace and Godlike both have TB, but they have DP in for each TB port, so not sure if the TB is connected to the iGPU or only works when connected to a GPU via DP in.
My guess is that they assumed the high end boards do not support this as most people buying them are gaming or OC'ing and will not use this feature. Where as the low and mid range boards do support it as those buyers are more likely to use these features. If I don't see and HDMI or Thunderbolt on a board I assume it does not support. Some of us used to even disable the iGPU so as to ensure all rendering went through the GPU, (dumb, now I know). That being said, I think they realized that content creators are buying these boards and do need this feature. Hence why we have seen some of the content creator, or Pro, or similar labelled MoBo's being released. I do feel for those people who are in this predicament. You buy a high end board expecting it to do it all.
Because of this exact reason I decided against buying the Z690 Apex and bought the Formula instead. I still don't understand why Asus puts so many resources into designing and making those awesome OC boards and not include the igpu. Usually when I say this I get the "Why would anyone use onboard graphics on an 850 dollar overclocking motherboard?" comment pretty quick but there are plenty of reasons. Quicksync is one but running benchmarks that also use the igpu, like RealBench, seems a pretty valid reason too, since that's pretty much what boards like that are made for. And if you're in the middle of a cpu and gpu LN2 session that goes sideways, it's nice to know you have an onboard solution you can plug a monitor cable into so you can actually see what you're doing. I don't think power draw is that much of an issue for Asus to exclude it, the only thing I can think of that could be a design concern is the extra bit of heat an overclocked igpu sitting inside the cpu die could produce. Not that it would break or anything but any extra heat is less stability. 7:33 I don't think it's a money issue and if it is they're just doing it wrong. Saving a couple of bucks here and there on an 850 Dollar board that maybe only sells a few tens of thousands of units world wide, compared to the millions of Strixes, Heroes, Primes and tons of nameless boards that aren't even made for the diy market.
Well, I can use quick sync with msi z490i unify paired with 10850k. But in windows 11 I can't use thunderbolt anymore. I enabled the option in bios but I can't even find thunderbolt in device manager let alone install the driver for it. No version of the driver seem to fix it, hope you can contact msi to fix it.
Hi Nick, Any chance for a video about the gigabyte Z690i pcie 4.0 issues and the rma process? Furthermore there seem to exist the same issues on z590i - pcie 4.0 gpus are crashing or even not booting. One has to use the Board with gen3
@@pietrmuffei8874 most cards will drop to the lower spec if there is an issue. I guess we'll have to cross that bridge if AMD and NVIDIA end up going PCIe 5.0 for their next GPUs.
3:16, Hey Nick, did you forget to put Thermal compound on the cooler? Lmfao I swear I was just confused about that. I started wondering if they don’t need thermal compound? IDK lol Helpful video though 👍😄
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Banger of a video fams, and very informative. Keep up the hard work
I just figured out another reason why I love this channel so much: your color pallet!! The neons, the vaporwave, etc., are stunning! I've always been a sucker for that.
Thanks so much! We love that vibe!
Great (but scary) find that not all Intel boards automatically support QuickSync. Never even considered that. If I would pick Intel + nVidia over AMD it would primarily be for improved support in video editing software, so QuickSync would be critical. Hopefully it's indeed a limited issue, but thanks for the reminder to stay vigilant on all details and aspects with hardware purchasing decisions.
6:35 I guess it's a different story in laptop land, because if a laptop has an Intel CPU, then having Intel integrated graphics available is always a given. So finding out that it's not also just always there on the desktop side is honestly a bit of a shock to me. Video editing / quicksync isn't exactly an edge case I don't think
Actually had an aorus laptop back in 2019 with a 2070 that didn't have any options to enable the iGPU
@@GearSeekers Hahaha I was actually thinking that was the only exception, some Aorus laptop from like 3 years ago that was Nvidia dGPU only for what ever reason, but that was literally the only machine I've had in 250+ that way, so didn't figure it was worthwhile as an example against myself 😅
Not a lot to say about this video, all my intel boards have display output but I'll still comment for the engagement! Keep up the great work.
Legend!
I bet someone just made the decision thinking "nobody will use it anyway"... I feel like people in management sometimes make these calls and hope nobody notices.
Btw, love the GS light/logo on the shelf!
How cool is it! Intel made it for us!
The ability to troubleshoot with the iGPU is a huge deal IMO. It also helps once you retire the system and turn it into a NAS or router. With AMD, the CPU may be low power, but I still have to take up a PCIE slot with a dedicated GPU.
That's half true. Most AMD boards will allow you to run headless without a GPU or any video output. You can set it up, pull out the GPU and connect remotely. I pushed MSI to add this feature in their BIOS and they added it. Most other motherboard manufacturers will support it anyways ;)
Actually, my board (ASUS z690 Maximus Apex), does not have a dedicated video port on the I/O shield. However, it does have a thunderbolt connection available, but I have a 12900KF so hard to tell if the option would be available on mine. To be fair, in my case, it’s quite possible it doesn’t have a dedicated power delivery phase for the iGPU either since it’s considered an “overclocking” board. I also looked into it, and none of my applications regarding my work utilize any quicksync so I’m settled with my KF. I also discovered that my board is rated for 64Gb @ 6400Mhz, so I might consider getting rid of my rgb puke dominator platinums since I’m avoiding armory crate like the plague 😈.
i have a maximus hero board and a 12900k, it will output through thunderbolt if you don't use the included hdmi
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I would expect the more fully featured chipset (Z690) to support the Intel iGPU's. Maybe they could get away with not supporting it in say the B660 chipset, although I personally have a B660-I (ITX) motherboard that does have iGPU support.
WTF. I just bought a Z690 Unify and didn’t even think it wouldn’t support quick sync. Why?! Now I have to return it as I actually use it and COUNTED on having it.
This isn’t a joke. Who’s dumb idea was it to disable Quicksync? I literally have to tear my whole system down now and go through the process of replacing the board. Wow…
MSI…WHY?!?
I'm still ticked off enough to go for round 2. How can MSI not support the basic function of the damn chip on a $450 board?! It feels very scammy.
Sorry you have to deal with that :(
Not supporting iGPU is so weird on intel platform, almost weird than my X570i, which has 3 display output.
It is very weird right!
Engagement gang ftw I currently use AMD but will probably use intel for my next gaming pc lol
Ayo, Nick! I think the general train of thought should be: if there's any form of a display output (HDMI, DP, or Thunderbolt), the board has to support it. If the board doesn't have any form of display outputs, it's fair to assume the board won't support QuickSync. I can't specifically talk about this gen. because I upgraded my i3-10100 to a 5900X but I did have a i7-2600 back in the day with an *MSI* PH67A-C43 (B3) that didn't have any display outputs (weird for an H67 board) and there was no way to enable the iGPU within the BIOS. Great content, mate!
I spoke to MSI about this as well. Apparently the Godlike even-though it has Thunderbolt doesn't have the power delivery for the iGPU
@@GearSeekers oh wow, that sucks even more. What a weird thing to omit considering the price bracket of said boards!
Alienware R11. 10th gen Intel. No output without installed video card, and no iGPU support with a 10700. Switched to 10900KF.
Very interesting!
Love seeing the small changes to the studio every video!
;) gotta keep you on your toes
techyescity did a video on quicksync and it showed it makes a pretty good difference.
I only have one HDMI out on my Gigabyte z490 ud and it has on board graphics enabled. I use the onboard graphics to decoding videos I watch from youtube and twitch streams to take the load off my discrete graphics card.
This is a very good use of Quick Sync!
Having integrated graphics allows screen capture while.
Thanks for educational review. The reason why would I love watching Gear Seeker. How about MSI MORTAR B660?
Yeah it will support iGPU
@@GearSeekers Thanks bro for acknowledging my comment. Planning build for it pair with 12400 or 12600k. Depending on the price of rtx 3070ti.
I wonder what the cost difference would be between including it on a board, vs not including it. There might have to be a substantial difference.
I'd love to get your input on a mobo I'm looking at, I know you don't review them (I wish you did), but I'd still like to know what you think about the X570 Dark Hero.
I think it's a combo of msi trying to save money and them thinking that if someone is spending that much on a motherboard that they're most likely gonna have a graphics card
I think you're probably right.
i bought z690 tomahawk ddr4 and yes it has display output. i am using quicksync. i think it should be for extreme overclocking people hates igpu
Totally unrelated, but I got a Macube green and pink for my twin girls, I really dug the reviews you did, just internalising on a not too expensive cooling fan selection.. (pc's will take hand me down ryzen 3100's and 1050 ti's from the older boys machines. who are probably going to 12100's and rx6600's) - not a question, just a thumbs up.
No thermal paste, 58c idle in BIOS @ 0.9v vcore. I do shit like that too just to take a peek at some settings. I love it. ;)
That's weird the Unify don't support an igpu the Edge from MSI does and so does the carbon and the ace
The ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex is another board that doesn't have any display outs, not even thunderbolt, would be interesting to see if ASUS does the same thing as MSI and completely disable the iGPU on that board. Maybe we can find someone who has that board?
The MSI Z690 Ace and Godlike both have TB, but they have DP in for each TB port, so not sure if the TB is connected to the iGPU or only works when connected to a GPU via DP in.
The Z690 ACE, Unify and Godlike don't have power delivery for the iGPU according to MSI.
My guess is that they assumed the high end boards do not support this as most people buying them are gaming or OC'ing and will not use this feature. Where as the low and mid range boards do support it as those buyers are more likely to use these features. If I don't see and HDMI or Thunderbolt on a board I assume it does not support. Some of us used to even disable the iGPU so as to ensure all rendering went through the GPU, (dumb, now I know).
That being said, I think they realized that content creators are buying these boards and do need this feature. Hence why we have seen some of the content creator, or Pro, or similar labelled MoBo's being released. I do feel for those people who are in this predicament. You buy a high end board expecting it to do it all.
This is my train of thought as well. If you pay a good amount of cash for a motherboard it should do everything
Because of this exact reason I decided against buying the Z690 Apex and bought the Formula instead. I still don't understand why Asus puts so many resources into designing and making those awesome OC boards and not include the igpu. Usually when I say this I get the "Why would anyone use onboard graphics on an 850 dollar overclocking motherboard?" comment pretty quick but there are plenty of reasons. Quicksync is one but running benchmarks that also use the igpu, like RealBench, seems a pretty valid reason too, since that's pretty much what boards like that are made for. And if you're in the middle of a cpu and gpu LN2 session that goes sideways, it's nice to know you have an onboard solution you can plug a monitor cable into so you can actually see what you're doing.
I don't think power draw is that much of an issue for Asus to exclude it, the only thing I can think of that could be a design concern is the extra bit of heat an overclocked igpu sitting inside the cpu die could produce. Not that it would break or anything but any extra heat is less stability.
7:33 I don't think it's a money issue and if it is they're just doing it wrong. Saving a couple of bucks here and there on an 850 Dollar board that maybe only sells a few tens of thousands of units world wide, compared to the millions of Strixes, Heroes, Primes and tons of nameless boards that aren't even made for the diy market.
Well, I can use quick sync with msi z490i unify paired with 10850k. But in windows 11 I can't use thunderbolt anymore. I enabled the option in bios but I can't even find thunderbolt in device manager let alone install the driver for it. No version of the driver seem to fix it, hope you can contact msi to fix it.
What does the title mean? Who is doing what wrong?
6:00 how can I get this wallpapers? I will appreciate it
Hi Nick,
Any chance for a video about the gigabyte Z690i pcie 4.0 issues and the rma process? Furthermore there seem to exist the same issues on z590i - pcie 4.0 gpus are crashing or even not booting. One has to use the Board with gen3
I'm seeing that issue with a lot of boards not just Gigabyte
@@GearSeekers so this gonna be a real mess if new cards be pcie 5.0? I mean if they can’t even get pcie 4 to run… :D
The rebranded z690i ultra "lite" also just went up 20 dollars it seems. Used to be 150 now 170.
@@pietrmuffei8874 most cards will drop to the lower spec if there is an issue. I guess we'll have to cross that bridge if AMD and NVIDIA end up going PCIe 5.0 for their next GPUs.
Hey, why care about QuickSync if you have NVENC/AMF? just wondering
For video editing its far more efficient
3:16, Hey Nick, did you forget to put Thermal compound on the cooler? Lmfao I swear I was just confused about that. I started wondering if they don’t need thermal compound? IDK lol
Helpful video though 👍😄
I didn't put any on because it was a quick test ;) It's usually pre-applied though
I noticed that, too!! I'm sitting here like, "Ummm... Thermal paste?!"
@@ABP8214 yeah its usually okay if you're just testing something quickly. Its better than no cooler at all
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