Regarding people’s reaction to the survivors feeding on the dead, at the beginning there was criticism but when the survivors returned to Uruguay they gave a press conference to clear the rumors and after one of the survivors spoke and explained why they went through, people began to understand why they did it. His words were powerful enough for people to stop focusing on sensationalism. They even got a letter from the Pope saying what they did was not a sin because not doing it and letting themselves die would have been suicide. Eventually as time passed by, the families of the deceased also publicly expressed their understanding and support to the survivors.
Some food for thought, for you three, American critics from a Uruguayan woman. Every time I watch a Hollywood movie, I know who the hero or heroes of the story are. Hollywood needs to have someone to lead, to be the brave one, the smart one, the *one* . That’s the product of a very individualistic society. I lived 1 year in the Us as a teenager on a scholarship, and later in life, 10 years therefore, I got to know your society and how you are expected to behave. You need to understand that there are many ways of social organization and this is what the film is trying to show. There’s *no* *need* for a hero and a villain. All those young people were forced to be the heroes in real life. Leadership is built along with all the things that happened to them and it switches from one character to another. They learn that a society can be horizontal and that everybody is absolutely essential for their survival. It’s what we call a ‘choral’ movie. Why do we need a hero when all of them shared everything they had and could do for the better good of the community. Hadn’t there been a cohesive community, they wouldn’t have survived. And that’s what Bayona so masterfully does. He shows that cooperation, empathy, sympathy, a common goal, caring for each other, is what saves them. I hope I made myself clear enough for you to stop looking for special characters. There’s no need for that. 16 survivors, 16 heroes.
North Americans might find it hard to accept that this PHENOMENAL survival history, the most impressive of them all really, was lived and conquered by Uruguayans/South Coners. This is why I believe it might not get that Oscar, which really matters so little and it's meagre prize for such stupendous show of cinema. mega kudos to J.A., cast and crew and forever honours to the survivors and the ones who stayed in the Mountain.
@@BeatlemaccaAR I don't think any of the survivors would like to compete in a ''Human Tragedies World Tournament'', nor I think they would ''win'' it. When you think a situation cant be worse, just use your imagination. Turning this beautiful story into chauvinism is really sad. And I am Uruguayan, by the way.
According to the words of the survivors, Numa Turcatti ❤died because he gave everything for the group, he was the one who worked the most, almost without eating human flesh, he had the strength to go on almost all the expeditions and help with everything. Everyone remembers him as an exceptional person. When I saw what he wrote before he died I cried too much, that was what motivated the last expedition that finally saved the 16.
I think the reason why they don't get too deep into the characters is because of time, also a bit of a cultural aspect to it. The North American style of storytelling has that clarity of the "hero" character and the "background people" or the "love interest" so this doesn't fit that, but you often see this style in foreign film making. The character is the relationship between the people, not the actual people. I do wish they showed Liliana a bit more, not because she was the only woman there, but she actually had a pretty important role as she was kind of everybody's mom/emotional support. I mean, imagine these guys were like 18-24, it was the first time travelling on their own for some of them. Also the movie is already 2 hours and 20 min long to be able to show the things they did to survive. This whole story would be excellent in series form, something with like 10 episodes max would be able to cover. There is a lot to this story besides what these guys went through. The story of their parents searching for them on their own (After those 10 first days of search) and the fact that Roberto's dad was literally flying overhead in the very same area Roberto and Nando were walking while they were searching for them on a military airplane. The helicopter rescue itself would take a few episodes. IT was very dangerous and survivors said that it may have been scarier than the plane crash itself. The rescue team stayed overnight (in the movie it shows as if they got swept up in one go, but it was actually 2 trips in 2 days) and most of them were scared of them after seeing the dead bones, but Sergio Dias was brave enough to stay in the fusilage with them and drink mate and have dinner with them. The flight to Santiago itself was two days because they had to stay in Mendoza overnight because of the weather. And one of their friends said they shouldn't get on the airplane because they would have an accident (it was Friday the 13th). Many interesting bits that could fit into a series. They gotta make it happen!
I am an Australian and was 14 years when this happened. I remember the news reports and when the fact that the eat the dead became known my mother said ‘I guess they had no choice but to do that’s. I read the book Alive’ in about 1974 within a year of the book being released. I have since read a total of nine books about them including the books written by the survivors. I think ‘Society of the Snow’ is the best and saddest of the books. I also think this movie is much better than ‘Alive’.
Pablo Vierci, the author of the book Society of the Snow is a childhood friend of the survivors. He knows them very well, so the fact that he took 40 years to write a book about all the stories he gathered during that time and had limitless access to them and the family of the victims while writing the book, tells you how accurate this book is.
Interesting to know the point of view of those who did not know this story in depth. It is very different to see it with knowledge as we who are from countries where this happened, we grew up with this story, we saw the documentaries, we know all the details and the survivors. I loved this movie, although I was destroyed, it is a story that speaks of the best of human beings in extreme circumstances. Kisses from Chile
Hard to believe anyone could call this film lacking. IMO it needed an additional hour of runtime to pay full service to all of the deceased and the survivors, but all of y’all are complaining about runtime already. The run time is in full service to the “run time” of their length of time on the mountain. A couple of y’all seem very focused on “does this movie meet my expectations of how I think a movie ‘should be’,” rather than, “how does the choices made here serve the story being told?” Please do better.
31:00 they were catholic. At the press conference where they explained how they survived, they used the metaphor of the body of Christ and how he offered his body to the apostles. They explained it as a communion between all of them.
I want the extended version of this film J.Bayona had to eliminate many scenes for me, the most shocking one that he left out and that he filmed for a long time was the case of Carlos Valeta when he was only 18 years old. He was one of the passengers who was thrown from the plane at the moment the tail broke when it hit the mountain. When the survivors of the accident find themselves in the chaos of the fuselage, moments after the accident, they see a moving silhouette in the distance and identify Carlos Valeta. They shout at him and make signs for him to walk towards them, but the silhouette suddenly falls and they lose sight of it. They tried to walk towards him to help him, but it was impossible to walk in the snow, they were sinking up to their waists.
LACKING?!! Excuse me sir….. “..Today my voice carries their words, how each of us played our part. This is OUR story” Numa says it so well within the movie, when they are coming out of the helicopter. It’s not an individualistic movie. They were a TEAM. Each one of them played an integral part for them to be rescued.
On the conversation about what they ate, they didn’t answer the question immediately. They wanted to wait to meet the victims family and tell them first. However, one of the rescuers, Lucero, who never got over the fact that he failed as a rescuer because he never found them and to this day he says that they did what they did on purpose because they could have walked out as soon as the plane crashed, took pictures of the bodies and sold it to the press. So it was kind of leak and of course, the press was pretty harsh with them. So the survivors decided to do a press conference to answer the question. One of them took the word and after he responded he received a standing ovation and no reporter asked one more question that day. The victims family embraced the survivors and understood from the get go why they did it. The Pope wrote them a letter stating that they did the right thing, otherwise it would’ve been a massive suicide.
"There is no charismatic highschool quarterback to save the day, and no love story with a beautiful cheerleader. They can't expect me to pay attention and recognize Numa from Nando or Roberto. The film is therefore lacking."
I think the purpose of this movie was showing the group as a character in itself. It is a love story, and there are no central characters on purpose. Really? Ypu couldn't tell Numa, from Roberto or Nando? WTF?
Vi outros gringos dizendo o mesmo, "_não consigo diferenciar os personagens fisicamente, são todos iguais." Ridículo, no fundo acho que queriam diferentes etnias e ignoraram que a história aconteceu com pessoas brancas, outros disseram que ficaram surpresos que eles eram brancos sendo da América do Sul. Falta de respeito ou total falta de interesse e conhecimento para com o hemisfério sul do continente das Américas.
My opinion is this the movie hit different so much different when you understand the language and watch it in its own language. Because through the movie i did meet a lot of the characters . And throughout the movie you knew that they were just young people trying to survive no time to meet characters
34:04 Something to add tothat thought. The herder threw bread over the river, before being able to send other herders to help them cross the river. Fernando caught that bread and gave it to Roberto who was lying several meters away from the river. They obviously became very close with the man after that. The next time Roberto was with him he told him. That piece of bread you threw at us tasted like heaven. Sergio, the herder, looked at him and said. I threw you five XD And it has been a joke they constantly been poking at Fernando. You ate four! The crossing of the river was different to what it was shown in the movie. For simplicity I guess. The first day they couldn't hear each other for the noise of the stream and for how weak they were to scream. (they were three men on horse that day) But they heard "tomorrow" and they left, it was almost nightfall. At the second day that the man returned alone with the paper and pencil, also threw them some bread and cheese. When they were able to get the note across the river, only then he realized the situation. And he rode for 60 km 40 miles to get to the nearest military outpost. And in his way back he alerted the other men from the first day so they could help them cross while he went for help. Even with the note he had trouble to make them believe as it was not signed by anyone. They took him for a drunk scammer trying to get some gain. They were all dead, go home gramps. But as the rumor spread the press got very interested and eventually the fuss was too big to let this unattended and the rescue service was ordered to go. All this happen in just a matter of hours. This is a story that, at least in Uruguay, we hear from our teachers in basic school or from our family. At least in the form of just the outlines of the story. I loved the analysis. Will be coming back :D Sorry for all the text.
The guy with the SF on his shirt clearly didn’t experience the depth of this movie. Every single character was given a sliver of development which was enough to keep one engaged.
La película esta nominada a dos premios Oscar, como mejor película internacional y como mejor maquillaje y peluquería, como Uruguayo estoy muy orgulloso de esa nominación porque esa parte de la producción tan destacada positivamente por toda la crítica del mundo fue trabajo Uruguayo 🇺🇾
This movie is a masterpiece. It had been a while since I saw something that moved me so much. Call this film Lacking?.. really?… maybe this critic only think the Americans can do good movies ? I'm sorry sir, I don't agree with you
Lacking infers you wanted a sugarcoating Hollywood story, there's a reason it's called the society of the snow, it's about who they were on the mountain, like it's narrated at the end. It's sad that's lost to so many US based reactors. Lacking substance? Absolutely not.
Most of the scenes were filmed in Spain, in Sierra Nevada. He also made a film set with an airplane fuselage in a pit made in a studio in Madrid and finally several scenes were completed in the Andes and Uruguay.
Regarding people’s reaction to the survivors feeding on the dead, at the beginning there was criticism but when the survivors returned to Uruguay they gave a press conference to clear the rumors and after one of the survivors spoke and explained why they went through, people began to understand why they did it. His words were powerful enough for people to stop focusing on sensationalism. They even got a letter from the Pope saying what they did was not a sin because not doing it and letting themselves die would have been suicide. Eventually as time passed by, the families of the deceased also publicly expressed their understanding and support to the survivors.
Some food for thought, for you three, American critics from a Uruguayan woman.
Every time I watch a Hollywood movie, I know who the hero or heroes of the story are. Hollywood needs to have someone to lead, to be the brave one, the smart one, the *one* . That’s the product of a very individualistic society.
I lived 1 year in the Us as a teenager on a scholarship, and later in life, 10 years therefore, I got to know your society and how you are expected to behave.
You need to understand that there are many ways of social organization and this is what the film is trying to show. There’s *no* *need* for a hero and a villain.
All those young people were forced to be the heroes in real life. Leadership is built along with all the things that happened to them and it switches from one character to another.
They learn that a society can be horizontal and that everybody is absolutely essential for their survival. It’s what we call a ‘choral’ movie.
Why do we need a hero when all of them shared everything they had and could do for the better good of the community. Hadn’t there been a cohesive community, they wouldn’t have survived. And that’s what Bayona so masterfully does. He shows that cooperation, empathy, sympathy, a common goal, caring for each other, is what saves them.
I hope I made myself clear enough for you to stop looking for special characters. There’s no need for that. 16 survivors, 16 heroes.
Ufff expresaste perfertamente lo que pensé cuando los escuché decir eso 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 saludos desde Argentina ❤
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
North Americans might find it hard to accept that this PHENOMENAL survival history, the most impressive of them all really, was lived and conquered by Uruguayans/South Coners. This is why I believe it might not get that Oscar, which really matters so little and it's meagre prize for such stupendous show of cinema. mega kudos to J.A., cast and crew and forever honours to the survivors and the ones who stayed in the Mountain.
@@BeatlemaccaAR I don't think any of the survivors would like to compete in a ''Human Tragedies World Tournament'', nor I think they would ''win'' it. When you think a situation cant be worse, just use your imagination. Turning this beautiful story into chauvinism is really sad. And I am Uruguayan, by the way.
Yes. These self called film critics are brain-washed dumb ass.
According to the words of the survivors, Numa Turcatti ❤died because he gave everything for the group, he was the one who worked the most, almost without eating human flesh, he had the strength to go on almost all the expeditions and help with everything. Everyone remembers him as an exceptional person. When I saw what he wrote before he died I cried too much, that was what motivated the last expedition that finally saved the 16.
I think the reason why they don't get too deep into the characters is because of time, also a bit of a cultural aspect to it. The North American style of storytelling has that clarity of the "hero" character and the "background people" or the "love interest" so this doesn't fit that, but you often see this style in foreign film making. The character is the relationship between the people, not the actual people. I do wish they showed Liliana a bit more, not because she was the only woman there, but she actually had a pretty important role as she was kind of everybody's mom/emotional support. I mean, imagine these guys were like 18-24, it was the first time travelling on their own for some of them.
Also the movie is already 2 hours and 20 min long to be able to show the things they did to survive. This whole story would be excellent in series form, something with like 10 episodes max would be able to cover. There is a lot to this story besides what these guys went through. The story of their parents searching for them on their own (After those 10 first days of search) and the fact that Roberto's dad was literally flying overhead in the very same area Roberto and Nando were walking while they were searching for them on a military airplane. The helicopter rescue itself would take a few episodes. IT was very dangerous and survivors said that it may have been scarier than the plane crash itself. The rescue team stayed overnight (in the movie it shows as if they got swept up in one go, but it was actually 2 trips in 2 days) and most of them were scared of them after seeing the dead bones, but Sergio Dias was brave enough to stay in the fusilage with them and drink mate and have dinner with them. The flight to Santiago itself was two days because they had to stay in Mendoza overnight because of the weather. And one of their friends said they shouldn't get on the airplane because they would have an accident (it was Friday the 13th). Many interesting bits that could fit into a series. They gotta make it happen!
This comment is gold 🎉
I am an Australian and was 14 years when this happened. I remember the news reports and when the fact that the eat the dead became known my mother said ‘I guess they had no choice but to do that’s. I read the book Alive’ in about 1974 within a year of the book being released. I have since read a total of nine books about them including the books written by the survivors. I think ‘Society of the Snow’ is the best and saddest of the books. I also think this movie is much better than ‘Alive’.
Pablo Vierci, the author of the book Society of the Snow is a childhood friend of the survivors. He knows them very well, so the fact that he took 40 years to write a book about all the stories he gathered during that time and had limitless access to them and the family of the victims while writing the book, tells you how accurate this book is.
Interesting to know the point of view of those who did not know this story in depth. It is very different to see it with knowledge as we who are from countries where this happened, we grew up with this story, we saw the documentaries, we know all the details and the survivors. I loved this movie, although I was destroyed, it is a story that speaks of the best of human beings in extreme circumstances. Kisses from Chile
My opinion: It’s one of the greatest movies I ever seen. 👏🏼
Hard to believe anyone could call this film lacking. IMO it needed an additional hour of runtime to pay full service to all of the deceased and the survivors, but all of y’all are complaining about runtime already.
The run time is in full service to the “run time” of their length of time on the mountain.
A couple of y’all seem very focused on “does this movie meet my expectations of how I think a movie ‘should be’,” rather than, “how does the choices made here serve the story being told?”
Please do better.
31:00 they were catholic. At the press conference where they explained how they survived, they used the metaphor of the body of Christ and how he offered his body to the apostles. They explained it as a communion between all of them.
I want the extended version of this film J.Bayona had to eliminate many scenes for me, the most shocking one that he left out and that he filmed for a long time was the case of Carlos Valeta when he was only 18 years old. He was one of the passengers who was thrown from the plane at the moment the tail broke when it hit the mountain. When the survivors of the accident find themselves in the chaos of the fuselage, moments after the accident, they see a moving silhouette in the distance and identify Carlos Valeta. They shout at him and make signs for him to walk towards them, but the silhouette suddenly falls and they lose sight of it.
They tried to walk towards him to help him, but it was impossible to walk in the snow, they were sinking up to their waists.
LACKING?!! Excuse me sir…..
“..Today my voice carries their words, how each of us played our part. This is OUR story” Numa says it so well within the movie, when they are coming out of the helicopter.
It’s not an individualistic movie. They were a TEAM. Each one of them played an integral part for them to be rescued.
On the conversation about what they ate, they didn’t answer the question immediately. They wanted to wait to meet the victims family and tell them first. However, one of the rescuers, Lucero, who never got over the fact that he failed as a rescuer because he never found them and to this day he says that they did what they did on purpose because they could have walked out as soon as the plane crashed, took pictures of the bodies and sold it to the press. So it was kind of leak and of course, the press was pretty harsh with them. So the survivors decided to do a press conference to answer the question. One of them took the word and after he responded he received a standing ovation and no reporter asked one more question that day.
The victims family embraced the survivors and understood from the get go why they did it. The Pope wrote them a letter stating that they did the right thing, otherwise it would’ve been a massive suicide.
hands down one of the best movies of 2023
"There is no charismatic highschool quarterback to save the day, and no love story with a beautiful cheerleader. They can't expect me to pay attention and recognize Numa from Nando or Roberto. The film is therefore lacking."
I think the purpose of this movie was showing the group as a character in itself. It is a love story, and there are no central characters on purpose. Really? Ypu couldn't tell Numa, from Roberto or Nando? WTF?
Vi outros gringos dizendo o mesmo, "_não consigo diferenciar os personagens fisicamente, são todos iguais." Ridículo, no fundo acho que queriam diferentes etnias e ignoraram que a história aconteceu com pessoas brancas, outros disseram que ficaram surpresos que eles eram brancos sendo da América do Sul. Falta de respeito ou total falta de interesse e conhecimento para com o hemisfério sul do continente das Américas.
My opinion is this the movie hit different so much different when you understand the language and watch it in its own language. Because through the movie i did meet a lot of the characters . And throughout the movie you knew that they were just young people trying to survive no time to meet characters
When they heard on the radio that they were no longer going to look for them, it's real, watch their interviews
"LACKING"?????😮😮😮
Exactly my reaction!!! 😮
34:04 Something to add tothat thought. The herder threw bread over the river, before being able to send other herders to help them cross the river. Fernando caught that bread and gave it to Roberto who was lying several meters away from the river.
They obviously became very close with the man after that. The next time Roberto was with him he told him. That piece of bread you threw at us tasted like heaven.
Sergio, the herder, looked at him and said. I threw you five XD
And it has been a joke they constantly been poking at Fernando.
You ate four!
The crossing of the river was different to what it was shown in the movie. For simplicity I guess.
The first day they couldn't hear each other for the noise of the stream and for how weak they were to scream. (they were three men on horse that day)
But they heard "tomorrow" and they left, it was almost nightfall. At the second day that the man returned alone with the paper and pencil, also threw them some bread and cheese. When they were able to get the note across the river, only then he realized the situation. And he rode for 60 km 40 miles to get to the nearest military outpost. And in his way back he alerted the other men from the first day so they could help them cross while he went for help. Even with the note he had trouble to make them believe as it was not signed by anyone. They took him for a drunk scammer trying to get some gain. They were all dead, go home gramps.
But as the rumor spread the press got very interested and eventually the fuss was too big to let this unattended and the rescue service was ordered to go. All this happen in just a matter of hours.
This is a story that, at least in Uruguay, we hear from our teachers in basic school or from our family.
At least in the form of just the outlines of the story.
I loved the analysis. Will be coming back :D
Sorry for all the text.
Best movie ever, can't stop thinking about these men, the saved and the lost 😢
U can not get all the info in 2 hours. The drama lasted 72 days!
The guy with the SF on his shirt clearly didn’t experience the depth of this movie. Every single character was given a sliver of development which was enough to keep one engaged.
Beautifully shot and horribly depressing. Surprised it had me compelled all the way through. Really loved this one.
Depressing? 15 people survived.
La película esta nominada a dos premios Oscar, como mejor película internacional y como mejor maquillaje y peluquería, como Uruguayo estoy muy orgulloso de esa nominación porque esa parte de la producción tan destacada positivamente por toda la crítica del mundo fue trabajo Uruguayo 🇺🇾
This movie is amazing!!!
22:00 Some of them remember a third avalanche. But after being buried by two, the third one is . . .
- another?
- I guess, Who's counting?"
This movie is a masterpiece. It had been a while since I saw something that moved me so much. Call this film Lacking?.. really?… maybe this critic only think the Americans can do good movies ? I'm sorry sir, I don't agree with you
Lacking infers you wanted a sugarcoating Hollywood story, there's a reason it's called the society of the snow, it's about who they were on the mountain, like it's narrated at the end.
It's sad that's lost to so many US based reactors.
Lacking substance? Absolutely not.
Most of the scenes were filmed in Spain, in Sierra Nevada. He also made a film set with an airplane fuselage in a pit made in a studio in Madrid and finally several scenes were completed in the Andes and Uruguay.
El rescate previo que sería toda la parte de Parrado y Canessa con el Arriero Chileno se filmó en Minas Departamento de Lavalleja Uruguay
Sports and wrestling. The two main things I come to the FILMcast for.
It was pretty great!
I can’t believe I sat through that whole turgid slog just to listen to your review. You should be paying me honestly
you seem smart
I had the same experience as Jeff, I had to turn this movie off and finish it the next day. It made me very uncomfortable. This is a rough watch.
A lot to digest.
You know nothing. US people 🙄
Boooo