Everything GREAT About Starship Troopers!
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2024
- Because of Hell Divers 2, Twitter has decided to do some analysis on Starship Troopers again, a movie that was settled in 1997 when Paul Verhoeven made it, but let's put it to rest, shall we? War is great and the film says nothing bad about anybody! Here's everything right with Starship Troopers!
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If you mention "Terran" in your comment, everyone here knows your opinion is invalid. This isn't a book. Just a heads up. Also, for everyone confused about fascism, listen to Umberto Eco: sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content/uploads/sites/226/2015/12/Eco-urfascism.pdf
Do you even know what fascism is how in the world could it be fascist you're allowed to have opinion so don't go with them and also I'm pretty sure you didn't read the book but one thing fascists would never be allowed to tear up their orders from the state the state is their God
CinemaWins.
Everyone and their mother wants to be facism their brand of
"But the other guys are bad cus facism"
The academic discourse and the public one has long since derailed on the agreement and objective evaluation of what facism is.
As a german. Starship Trooper isnt facistic.
it is militaristic society who devotes Service to the Goverment over any "natural and liberal right" to take part in a goverment that you have not proven yourself to. It is locked in a war (for valid or unvalid reason) with a species that is likewise locked in the war with the humans
War in enough of itself isnt facistic, neither is a country automaticly facistic if it does so
I recommend you the "The Commenwealth Saga" from Peter F. Hamilton. Were the humans expand peacefully and mostly in accord with other species till they dont.
Till an alien species, by no "facism" or malice of its own, collides with the human commenwealth and war is launched.
Live is conflict and suffering. But that doesnt make it or people who engage in it, automaticly facistic
@@sambob8019A fascist government wouldn't have allowed the mormon extremists to just, do what they wanted either. Cinema wins just doesn't know wtf he's talking about here.
Lad, you spent an entire video calling a fictional society that showed absolutely no signs of being fascist, a fascist society.
Beyond aesthetic (clothes and such) there is nothing in the way this world works in the movie that fits fascism. People are allowed to choose whether or not to serve with absolutely no negative consequences should they choose not to.
There is a democracy, people can vote, their entire society is not built around military though it is prominent.
But yeah, clearly your word is gospel on the matter.
I had a nice time going through every point of “Ur-Fascism” to see how much lines up with how the Federation (in the film) is depicted:
1. The Federation is not traditionalist. It makes no appeals to religious truth, never idolizes the ancient world, and does not reject learning.
2. The Federation is not opposed to the Enlightenment, being classically liberal and constitutionalist.
3. Only the social sciences are denigrated, because in this universe they are perceived as nearly bringing about the end of civilization.
4. We see debates being broadcast, and Rico’s father opposes his enlistment without consequence.
5. We are shown no examples of racism.
6. We are shown no examples of classism.
7. There is no talk of plotting enemies either within or without the Federation. The bugs are very straightforward with their intention.
8. There are no appeals to envy in the form of foreign enemies having more power or prosperity than Citizens/Civilians.
9. Pacifists are allowed to exist in the Federation. “My mother told me violence never solves anything.”
10. Citizens are not all members of a single political party. We are not shown Citizens discriminating against Civilians.
11. No one is told that the Best Thing is to die for the Federation.
12. We are shown no examples of institutional male chauvinism. The rest of this point is Freudian and we can’t see inside the character’s heads.
13. The people of the Federation have individual rights.
14. No one uses Newspeak.
None of it. If you believe that Umberto provides an accurate accounting of what fascism is, there is not a single feature found anywhere in the film. Thank you.
I love how Helldivers 2 has revitalized this franchise for all the good reasons
For Democracy!
I had to scroll a little too far to find this comment tbh. Expected every other post to be about hd2
The masculine urge to die on an alien planet, fighting to the last man.
If only there were a Starship Troopers game...
@@BadgerMonkeyhaha, they really missed the mark making it only first person.
“Dude is 90% of the way to an automaton.”
*Malevelon Creek flashbacks*
Post traumatic sounds of metal clashing on metal and Fortunate Son intensify.
The Automatons are NOT the Cyborgs. They are separate and unique enemies, which is I guess not a good sign...
We can get her back boys, don’t give up.
ITS EVERYWHERE.
Helldivers 2 is EVERYWHERE.
(No I haven't played the game cuz not on xbox)
Examine the Kelvin Sector, there’s a planet called Zegema Paradise. I bet they’ve got nice beaches there.
“I’m doing my part.”
“I’m doing my part.”
“I’m doing my part!”
“I DIDN’T DO FUCKIN SHIT”
The most iconic helldiver meme
It's crazy helldivers did so well they already made a movie about it.
27 years ago. Fuck I'm old
Other games: Still waiting for the movie after 10 years
Helldivers 2: lol and behold
But they made a starship troopers game last year. To bad it didn't stick like helldivers did
@@AlphaGamer1981stop. Don’t remind me. I’m Starting to grunt as I get up from the couch.
@@theblackout6661yeah. Its a shame. Its is a fun game tho
"i am doing my part"
-me as a helldivers in lvl11 robotnam
Lemme ask
500 kg of democracy orhammer of dawn
HD2 is so good!
For 'managed' DEMOCRACY!!!
It's so funny that hd2 is the modern day version of this movie and it's still going over people's heads
It’s time to serve some liber tea!
I'm doing MY PART
"It's an ugly planet. A bug planet." I say this line every time I land on a bug planet in Helldivers 2. lol
I also quote "Situation is... Situation is extremely hostile!" when we hot-drop and get surrounded.
@@Ceejaydee1978 I hate it when the random person I team up with hot drops on a red zone and we all die in a few seconds.
On one hand it's extremely annoying but on the other hand there's something enjoyable about the first five minutes of the mission just being a desperate firefight on unfamiliar terrain. The game is so cinematic, it leads to so many "You tryin to be a hero Watkins?"/ "Just tryna kill some bugs sir!" moments.
Because it’s *true!*
Why that did not land in the iconic counter, i don't know. xD
Mildly fun fact, the actor who pays Breckinridge (the tropper who gets his head blown off in the live fir exercise) and the actress who plays the African American recruit who accidnetally shoots hom have been married for about 20 years after meeting on this film.
She must have really blown his mind.
They must have liked what each other saw in the shower scene. I mean, that had to reduce tension on the first date, you already saw each other with no clothes on.
"Are you trying to be a hero, Watkins?"
"No, sir! I'm trying to kill some Bugs, sir!"
Roger Young
Fans of Democracy and Liber-Tea have waited long for this!
FOR SUPER EARTH!
MY LEG!
*Managed Democracy
@@danielbob5191
DEMOCRACY IS DEMOCRACY!
remember finish your defense assignments , we can push those bots back
My bio teacher from Highschool was in this movie as an extra. He is one of the guys that gets absolutely launched in the air, told me they hooked him up to a slingshot harness and told him to go limp when they signaled him. The scream was all natural. After they did his scene he had a dislocated shoulder and nearly fractured his clavicle. Still says to this day that he was just happy to be there and enjoyed every minute of it.
What a incredibly in-character mobile infantry attitude to have towards a dislocated shoulder lmao.
He was doing his part
@@warweasel2832 TBF, there are much more severe injuries to get. Not that you want to get ANY injury from a film shoot, but, you know.
He did his part brilliantly
Hell yeah, anyone would be happy to have done that...plus now he can watch it with people and when it gets to that he can point and say "that's me!"
My favorite was "to ensure the safety of our solar system, Klendathu must be eliminated".
Then you see this is a map of the galaxy, with us at one end and them at the other. Tiny pinpricks of light and there's not enough room for the both of us!
Well yes, the bugs decided to fling asteroids at Earth after some mormons tried colonising a planet the federation quarantined. The bugs were expanding to whatever planets they could find and would kill every man, woman and child without a second thought. You can't negotiate with something that sees you as food at best or a competitor in need of killing at worst.
It's almost like the bugs are incredibly dangerous. My favorite line was "We're in it for the species. It's a numbers game and they have more."
@@Sujadyes these bugs performed a maneuver that used a targeted asteroid and were on the other side of the galaxy, I think they were just straight up lying and used the bugs and are using the bugs as a scapegoat
@@christiandidonna8808 There's no reason for them to lie though. Throughout the movie the Federation is perfectly fine with being entirely honest with it's civilian populace to show what's going on from the news crew on Klendathu. None of the broadcasts shy away from the reality of the situation.
One of my favorite lines in the _Spiral War_ series is, "Given the density of intelligent life in the galaxy, there are over a million stars for each sentient species. More territory than we can ever really claim. Unlimited resources. And yet, we still find ways to go to war."
7:35 I' like to believe those dents and holes on the wall are from Zim knifing the past recruits.
HOW DO YOU NOT ADD THE "Do you want to know more?'" LINE TO THE ICONIC COUNT?!
I know right!?
That’s a reference to a marine in the us army during ww1 but I forgot his name
My family and I quote that *all the time.*
@@DootSlayer-vp4os I'm pretty sure you mean the "Come on, you apes! Do you want to live forever?" line. Which was a reference to "Come on, you sons of bitches, do you wanna live forever?" that was reportedly said by Sergeant Daniel Daly, a Marine during WWI. Though accounts on what he actually said vary.
That's literally what we want about this universe, to know more
You missed one of the most intense scenes, as their extracting from the brain bug and Watkins is mortally wounded, Rico goes to lift him up and he screams, "NO!, NO!...GIVE ME THE NUKE" man takes a live nuke from his squad, tells them to get out of there, and from a prone position starts laying them out asking 'YOU LIKE THAT? YOU LIKE THAT? YOU WANT SOME MORE?" before the nuke detonates.....so his team could escape, man embodies the Helldivers
Didn't have "YOU TRYING TO BE A HERO WATKINS!??" Or the response "JUST TRYING TO KILL SOME BUGS SIR" as iconic lines.
Bitching about muh fashhism 0/10
Helldivers embodies this movie. Not the other way around.
That was covered briefly as a self sacrifice win, it just wasn't in detail
I love that scene
Death by own Nuke is a badass death and physically the best given you disintegrate at the speed of light before you can even realize anything at all
Love that each time he mentions how old he was when he first saw it his age goes down, starting with 15 all the way to 9.
Thanks, i thought i was the only one who noticed
I'm also here because of Helldivers 2. That game is unapologetically Starship Troopers + Terminator and I love it.
With undertones of post 9-11 America. "They want to destroy our way of life." and "Defending freedom and democracy". It's almost like that was when everything went completely off the rails and everything just gets crazier and crazier as time goes on.
I'm doing my part and spreading democracy.
"I'm doing my part too!😊"
"This year we explored the failure of democracy..."
We need more men on Malevelon Creek now!
@@NotoriousTimLmao you take the movie way to seriously VerHooven is a lame
@@NotoriousTimthe Failure of Unmanaged Democracy.
Managed Democracy Forever!
Something interesting about the infamous shower scene is that the cast only agreed to do it if the director, Paul Verhoeven, directed it in his birthday suit with them.
Which is a bet they were always going to lose, seeing how much "functional" nudity Dutch movies had in the decades before. Like nowadays you would think they got all of their actors from a nudist beach.
Not only that, the film crew too. Fucking lol
There’s no shame in being naked when everyone is
That’s actually pretty funny and a super weird but interesting little detail you knew about this film, I loved this film as a kid, I’m only 22 now but I remember watching this movie and loving every second of it, I think there’s more than 1 now but the first one is easily my favorite
@@wadeklein8962 I'm not doing the whole thing justice, but I recommend a video by a channel called Fact Fiend that goes a bit more in depth with the story.
One thing that I noticed you didn't mention is that the reason Rasczak isn't a school teacher anymore is because his wife and daughter were killed in the meteor strike. That's why he's so ruthless and willing to sacrifice anyone, also why he welcomes death in the end. He isn't fighting for any idealistic/fascist hope, he's doing it for revenge and it shows in everything he does.
Thank you for showing your literary ignorance.
I mean, his take is pretty valid and logical.
I will add that, even if he isn’t fighting intentionally for fascism, he is believing in the system, and him fighting in the army is benefitting the fascists.
I never realized that those were M14s that they were shooting until that closeup but as someone who used to manufacture that receiver, I'd recognize it anywhere.
It's actually a Mini 14.. chambered in 5.56. I doubt they had the budget for that many 308 blanks.
The fact the guy that made the movie admitted to only reading two chapters of the book before giving up, should be reason enough to devorce the movie from the book. I treat the movie as a stand alone, inspired by, type of movie. Inspired by two chapters of the book, and a campy, fun movie.
Well yeah, the movie is great political satire, one of the best most well executed ones of its time.
Whle the book is just unironic fascist wanking material
@@Disatiereno it isn’t.
It’s NOT FASCISM stop making that word lack meaning.
Authoritarian and militaristic do not automatically equal fascism.
If it did the Soviets, the French Revolution, modern China and Russia, Ukraine, Iran, would be fascist they were not.
Fascism requires that everything from person to machine to a dog be dedicated to the state. Everything in starship troopers is not this, there is an entire class of people who choose to have nothing to do with the state.
Fascism can never be a democracy, starship troopers is a democracy, in a similar way to ancient Rome and Greece but with more voters.
Fascism would never admit mistakes, fascism would never allow free religion.
The starship troopers government does both
@@helwrecht1637now that just sounds like socialism to me.
@@helwrecht1637
I think the largest difference is fascism has a main leader who is one in the same with the state. They dont ever cover that in the movie.
given that Paul Verhoeven lived under the kind of government the book insists is the only viable government system, I think it's safe to say the film blatantly points out how absolutely pants on head stupid the entire concept of the book is
During the Klendathu Drop scene, one of Rico's squad-mates has this moment, where he opens his mouth wide, almost like he's biting and then slaps his helmet. It took me years to figure out what he was doing, then realized, he's making sure his helmet and chinstrap fit properly, because he remembers the accident in training when the Farm-Boy got his head blown off
great little detail
Woh...
Shujumi was also on stims lol
Today I realised. . . .
Watch carefully and you see helmets slipping and soldiers constantly having to readjust them to be able to see straight.
The helmet was defective from the beginning. The military just didn't want to spend the money to fix it. Just like not spending money on bigger guns and dropping a bunch of dudes armed with intermediate cartridge chambered assault rifles on a planet teeming with heavily armored aliens with sharp points.
So the bug planet scenes were filmed at Hell’s Half Acre in wyoming, and they used an army reserve unit from Casper, Wyoming as extras at the very end. And my dad was one of those!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE SOLDIER??!?!
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WE NEED YOU ON THE AUTOMATON FRONT ASAP!!!!!!!
SIR YES SIR! FOR SUPER EARTH!
TAKE BACK THE CREEK!
TIME TO DISPENSE CUPS OF LIBER-TEA
You missed one thing. The scene where you see all of the soldiers running toward their ships. One soldier actually trips as he's trying to get on the loading ramp and trips three or four other people who are running. The scene was so expensive that they couldn't cut and redo it.
haha... what?
Is it during the load up to invade Klendathu?
11:38 for anyone curious. Also, i'd argue that it just adds to the chaos.
It's _perfect._
What, I don't see anyone tripping
Pretty sure the line of "The only good bug is a dead bug" is in the actual HellDive Intel Feed.
As you're diving in,you'll see some tips,like "Friendly fire isn't"
"If at first you don't succeed, try again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again"
@@raiyano7436Don't panic.
“Don’t drink and drive”
Remember: Freedom
@@questionable3476 But do drink and dive!
Time to ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ them bugs
For Super Earth!
2:30 force is the ultimate authority. Your laws are just that: if you don;t obay the law, you will be punished. Without laws (and force to ENFORCE it, you would have anarchy
And under anarchy, force would still be the ultimate authority.
@@jonwilson9131 Exactly, there's nowhere to go beyond violence, it is the final step in escalation.
You know compassion exists right?
@@ozio_exe9584 yup, and it is amazing force also. I have this saying, you only need laws for bad people - good people would not do it even if it wasn;t prohibited by law - and I;ve seen this during the war, where there were no wars and no concequences for acts - being alone in a room with beautiful girl from diferent fraction, somewhere deep in front - half of people protected her and send her home, other half did some selfish and evil things. You only need force for bad people. Good once don;t need it, and they are usually ones with compassion and humanity
@@ozio_exe9584 First of all, why is a commie talking about compassion? Second of all, what does it have to do with what was said? It's like somebody sais saying "water is very wet," then you commies come in crying "but what about compassion?"
Explain to us how violence is not the final step in the escalation of authority.
The fact that humans got rifles but constantly try to get closer to the melee-only bugs should be considered iconic, too.
They don't try to get close. The bugs are just such a fast swam and so difficult to immobilize they span the distance and enter melee range
@@user-ld9tf4td8s I don't disagree in a word of what you're saying regarding how fast the bugs are. But if you take a look, the soldiers do walk forward, every time, instead of adopting tactics where they use ranged weapons as an advantage. They pretty much walk shoulder to shoulder as if it was a Napoleonic battle 🙂 Have a good one!
Those guns seemed to have unlimited ammo
It's a campy movie. Don't think too hard about it. In the novel they have power armor and basically rocket pack around the battlefield blowing everything up with mini-nuclear bombs.
I think the training they use is meant to thin out the population!
Fun fact.
The design for the main Bugs was actually one of the 2 designs for the Shriekers in _Tremors 2: Aftershocks,_ but they didn't use it due to the low budget of $4 million. But because Tippet Studio worked on the VFX for both that and this, they decided to use it for this.
oh, 90's hollywood. you go gurl
So that goop might very well have BEEN leftover graboid blood!
@@johnsmead5096 the creativity in the 90's was at its peak for real
Tremors 2 is not a bad movie at all! It's sad how the series took a nosedive after that. They even resorte to hiring Jamie Kennedy...yuck
...Aaaand "graboids are from Klendatu" goes from a funny line straight to a headcanon.
19:34 I always have to replay that moment in the movie a few times. The soundtrack hits the movement of the action just so well. It's glorious
Bro watch the Helldivers 2 intro clip, the soundtrack has same vibe
Dude I still remember when you announced in a previous video that you were a proud new father some time ago. I know its not relevant, but I have recently found out I will be able to join your ranks as a proud father myself! Love the videos still.
WHAT?!
"I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive!" did not get an iconic count?
^
Because cinema wins is just an opposite cinema sisns but a little lazier.
Because it hit too close to home.
@@spinosaurusstrikerHow is Cinema wins lazier? All Cinema Sins does is repeats the same jokes and nitpicks things.
Bruh, read this right when the video did. Nice.
the line"come on you apes, do you wanna live forever?" is a reworded version of a quote from daniel daly in the USMC who said to his soldiers, "Come on you sons o bitches, do you wanna live forever?" in ww1, he wouldve been the first man to recieve three medals of honor but congress passed a law saying that no man can obtain more than three.
there's no law that says that.
It’s a quote from Frederick the great
The 'apes' part is from the book, because of how the armour makes them look like gorillas.
@@justinjustice4253 US code Title 10, Subtitle B, Part 2, Chapter 737, 7274
@@josh678595those 2 laws don’t say a person cannot win/be awarded more than three. It says that no one will receive the actual medal/service cross more than once. Just like other awards/medals, they use a device to notate multiple awardings of the medal. That is what a star on a ribbon bar or the medal ribbon indicates. No law states a limitation on how many times a person can “win” the Medal of Honor, only how many times the physical award device, I.e. the actual medal, can be awarded. Service crosses and below can be won multiple times. The additional awardings are noted by the device added to the original medal. The Medal of Honor is the only one where additional awardings are still noted by the original medal without use of an additional device. Dan Daly was cheated out of a third Medal of Honor by politics.
Violence being the supreme authority is not a fascist statement, but a statement of fact. Everything in society is based on "do this/don't do this or else...". This holds true even in an anarchist society.
People are so used to the violence in our society being understated that they forget that even being taxed is done under the threat of violence. Heck, buying your milk is made with the threat that if you don't pay, and just take the milk, violence will fall on you in the forme of arrest, fines or imprisonment. Just because modern people never come across the repercussions of them breaking the law, doesn't mean violence required to enforce the law doesn't exist.
This. You are objectively correct. The best kind of correct.
Violence is the universal language.
"Soldiers, do not forget to drink enough water to avoid dehydration!" - ah yes, exactly something a fascist would say
It's not entirely true. The exclusive right to LAWFUL violence is what every society is based on, as in being the only one who has the justification for using violence. Violence ITSELF being highest form of authority simply means that the strong rules over the weak. Basically you could rise up in rank by defeating your superior in a duel, and keep doing so until your king.
Only Saiyans and Viltrumites could have a functioning military based on this rule. If you look at history you'll see that every conqueror has to quickly find a justification in order to secure his power.
Growing up after I watched this movie, I tried that shirt over the head kiss the first chance I got. Did not disappoint.
Noooo you gotta add a win for Dizzys line as she dies in Ricos arms!!! "Its okay because I got to have you" gets me everytime
Tell me about it, I was getting choked up and teary eyed on a recent rewatch.
Dizzy flores is a dude who dies on the retrieval boat after rico and others fallout to make pickup. He died in his armour because they couldnt get him out of it.
The original Novel had an extended scene of the recruitment officer who was missing limbs. Rico sees him sometimes later and he has complete prosthetics. Says he takes them off for the recruitment...
I believe that's to scare them, letting them know "hey this can happen to you, are you sure you want to join it's dangerous"
@@ahha623 it's amazing that people think it's a militaristic society when the recruiters are there trying to drive the risks home
@@diomedes7971 yup. military is hazardous, and they underscore that
@@dercooney how do they underscore it. They show a vet with missing limbs and brutal main them during training?
@@ahha623 yes. "join the army and you could lose limbs or die"
@19:50 I love the 4th wall break when the Tanker swallows the grenade and looks right at the 'camera', you can almost hear, "It was at that moment he knew, he fucked up", then its head explodes.
Apparently Van Dien has been playing Helldivers and loves it. We need a Rico Voice! For Democracy!
Me and the boys when we're dropping in Helldivers 2: "The only good bug, is a DEAD BUG"
SO LETS MAKE THESE BUGS GOOD!!!!!!!! FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!
DEMOCRACY HAS LANDED
@@copyright-hv6enFOR DEMOCRACY!!! [Bro hug emote]
@@_HippieThugg_ FOR DEMOCRACY!! [bro hug response]
COME ON YOU APES!! YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER?!
@14:30 just to be clear "Casualties" does not mean deaths exclusively
you can even see in the list next to the names their status: "KIA" Killed In Action, and "WIA" Wounded In Action and "MIA" Missing In Action (can't be found/not accounted for)
I imagine half of them are just MIA, given how much of a clusterfuck the retreat was
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 yeah they had Rico as "KIA" but he was in a medical pod as that scene happened, so there was probably a lot of inaccuracies.
clusterfuck is the right word
@@Vailsiren You are missing in action, until someone does their job and report your existence what ever it is in body bag, in a infirmary or you have been found to who ever is responsible for that. Given the numbers and not having ability to go into planet to search for dog tags in pile of corpses to make sure that is your corpse, its reasonable his in slot of MIA before info gets right places and is processed, witch wont be fast since number of cases and limited resources given to that office. Patching the guy up is bit more important than go to report statistics to that office after all.
Just to be clear
All of that sounds no bueno
we just gonna ignore the 300,000+ KIA?
Someone actually pointed out that the "It's afraid!" line and it's seeming importance in the cast, actually is set up in the classroom dissection scene. The teacher says the bugs have no fear, so them hearing that is meant to be a big win. I had never caught that.
it's amazing that this movie to this day still holds the record for the most number of blanks fired, sitting at over 300,000 rounds.
i love how he progressively gets younger each times he says something about the first time he watched it
Many of the times were with progressively more nudity, intimacy, and adult themes as well.
It must be the generation. I watched Starship Troopers at 5. I used to know which scenes to skip (cause I wasnt allowed to see boobs, violence was ok tho)
It was funny I watched that DVD so many times I always just skipped. I finally realized at like....19 that I could watch the scenes. It was just habitual to skip them lol
@@JarthenGreenmeadow keep it pure
@@JarthenGreenmeadow "cause I wasn't allowed to see boobs, violence was ok tho"
That is... just hilarious irony for so many reasons. I don't know if you're American, but that idea applies to Americans, and definitely to me too. Violence is fine, but NUDITY?! ABSOLUTELY NOT
The U.S. was started by a bunch of goddamn prudes who thought the only person who should see them naked was God.
One of the big thing about Carl that I don't hear people talk about is how his job drained him of humanity. He's a psychic. They specifically had him connect with bugs so he could feel where the most painful places to shoot them at were. They pretty much made him experience death from the perspective of the bugs ad nauseum .They wanted to know what scared the bugs. That's why his scene with the brain bug is so unnerving. The only smile we see him with after joining is when he realizes the brain bug is scared
This is something a communist would come up with who relates to bugs more than mankind.
The fuck are you on about? The film explicitly has him showing how to kill them QUICKLY, not painfully. The painfully method just hinders it a bit or as he put its "is still 86% effective" as a killing machine.
whatya babbling? humans are bugs@@noobandfriends2420
Well...... he also smiles in the dance/ball early in the film so it's not the only time, but it's the second of the only 2 times we see it lol.
@@orvixvaxis724OP said "the only smile AFTER joining..."
22:22
its insane how it didnt register that those were kids when i saw the movie
Used to watch this religiously when I was younger - absolutely devastated when Dizzy died ... but like most posters recently .. Helldivers 2 brought me here!!
I never noticed Zym standing behind Rico and the rest of them in the lunch line watching the interaction, that is such a good detail.
Right, I've watched this movie countless time since I was a kid and never once noticed that
I googled Helldivers 2 ONCE and now I keep getting Starship Troopers videos :P :D
Sadly this guy's assessment of the film is borked, but the Helldivers 2 is fantastic.
@@Arphalia borked how?
Tbh i hope he does the other movies. duty, courage, honour is A BEAUTIFUL propaganda piece, I even sing it while purging termanids on angels
well there is achully starship trooper game
@@adora_was_taken a complete and total lack of understanding of facism as well as toting how the whole story is a commentary on facism when that is only an element of the movie and isn't present at all in the book.
Notices a ton of stuff that shows humans aren’t fascistic and the enemies are evil.
“The main characters are fascists and the enemies are good guys”
What I really liked is how Rico loses Dizzy, but he doesn't immediately jump into a relationship with Carmen. It's not even implied they'll get back together. I think it's great that a 90s action flick didn't fall into a typical cliché in that regard.
18:08 “90 percent of the way to an automaton.”
My PTSD: “…to an automaton…automaton….automaton…..let’s do one mission in the creek, I’ll buy us drinks once we all get back after…after….after….”
I love how at 20:36 he misses that Rico *is* enraged, and his 'That's what Mobile Infantry's good for" line is bitterly sarcastic.
This review was funny and great! My name is Teo and I played Corporal Bronski (the soldier with the whip!) and as 'Total Win #34 (thank you!) I want to take this moment to say a big THANK YOU on behalf of the entire cast & crew of Starship Troopers to our MANY dedicated fans across the globe. We love you all for keeping this movie alive and relevant for so many years!
Your knowledge and actor research was impressive and amazing and one of the things that made this so entertaining for me. So let me share a not known BTS moment with you based on your "love" for Carmen... In an earlier cut of the film that I saw... My character comes in the room and gives Rico the "Dear John" letter/video disk. He pops it in and turns to respond to Ace... Simultaneously, On the monitor screen WE see Zander puting his clothes on and trying to scramble out of the camera view! He managed to clear the room as Rico refocuses on the monitor. She was already flippin. Zander's six three BEFORE she broke up with Johnny! So when is THAT what she wanted to "go career" on?... IJS 😅
But I digress.... excellent video on an excellent classic (and, Yes, I acknowledge my bias...) and to you I say... "Zeguma Beach"!
Teo
thats a crazy fact, thanks for being such an inspiration!
I always felt like that was how the movie tried to play their relationship after the fact, but from what we were shown we didn't really have the evidence to say she was truly in it for anything but to go career. Thank you for the BTS secrets, and great job on the movie!
Bro I love your quick reaction to "keep pace". Like you'd done it 100 times, each more eagerly than the last.
Starshiproopers my favorite movie of all time ! thanks to peoples like you
You have given a great gift to the world
Thank again from France
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You're talking about a species that can literally communicate across the entire galaxy via pure psionic energy, have living artillery cannons, living grenades, and are found on countless planets throughout the galaxy because they are very blatantly able to travel through space. But you're confused as how the bugs hit earth with a meteor?
The Solar system is surrounded rocks.
@@greggiles7309 ??? Can you expand on what you're saying? If the bugs can not only protect the rock they sent from the plasma beyond our star's magnetic field but also send it in the first place and insure bugs inside the rock they sent don't die on impact... why wouldn't they be able to protect it from a rocks surrounding our solar system even if we assume they couldn't get a good angle to just not hit them?
@@jaroldscottwilliams.3rd832first minutes of the film, planetary defenses surrounding the moon, which according to propaganda, would destroy any asteroid heading towards the earth (false flag attack on Buenos Aires? Who knows..)
@@gabrielleite2779 So you're saying the planetary defense is supposed to shoot down a rock moving fast enough that it immediately enters striking distance of a battleship as soon as they detect it on their long range scanners? Admittedly, they were also moving at faster than light speeds. But their long range scanners are capable of detecting objects far enough away that they were surprised the meteor was able to get close enough they couldn't dodge it. That implies the rock can ALSO go faster than light because they SHOULD have been able to dodge objects moving at lower speeds. And... I don't know if the planetary defenses are made to target or shoot at anything moving at faster than light speeds.
All of the bugs technology is purely organic based… “living” artillery and psionic communication and whatnot. Seems out of their area of expertise to be able to freely manipulate physical objects in a way the movie claims they did to that asteroid. They would’ve needed to direct it’s positioning while in space, something they can’t do.
When the Marines fought in the Battle of Belleau Wood, Dan Daly yelled "Come on, you sons-o'-bitches, do you want to live forever?" It's an iconic line in the lore that is the United States Marine Corps.
As a fellow HellDiver, I'm here because I'm getting information on how to do my part.
You'd best look elsewhere, this one's sided with the bugs.
Would you like to know more?
I can't believe they made helldivers a movie!
Now writing is bad at conveying sarcasm, so is this a joke?
The effects are still sooo damn good. The CGI especially for being as old as it is holds up beautifully. The practicals are great too. Just a really good action flick with some brain in it.
I gotta be honest, I felt like you missed the greatest line of the movie for me...
Rico: "You trying to be a hero Watkins!?"
Watkins: "Just trying to kill some bugs, Sir!"
Genuinely epic. Maybe even iconic haha
The 'do you wanna live forever?' Line is actually pulled from real life. Marine Sergeant Dan Daly, one of only two men to be awarded two Medals of Honor, was leading his Marines during the Battle for Belleau Wood in World War I. His men were very green and inexperienced, and had been hammered by German artillery for days. When Daly was given the order to charge the German position ahead of their trench, he climbed a ladder at the front of his trench and said 'Come on you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?' His men's charge was pivotal in the US winning the day at Belleau Wood, and Daly was put up for a third MOH for it, but somewhere up the chain of command, somebody decided one man having three MOHs was 'unfair', whatever that means.
Achtually .. Seven marines have been awarded two medals of honor. Only two were awarded for two separate actions. The other five were for WWI where the Marines served under the Departments of the Army and Navy so received a medal from both departments for the same action.
@@NukeMarine Fascinating, I actually didn't know that! I would have assumed such actions would have earned the MOH from the Army and the Navy Cross from the Navy, but that makes much more sense.
the other one was Smedley Butler, who later wrote _War is a Racket_
"You wanna live forever?!" also uttered by Valeria in Conan the Barbarian '82. Love that line.
I remember this movie came out when I was 11, and I watched it at home with supervision for the first time. That first viewing, when Neil Patrick Harris says with joy "It's Afraid!" at the end, that's when it clicked for me that the humans were very much NOT the good guys this whole time.
Zim taking a demotion is a nod to the real Rodger Young, who took a demotion in WWII so he could enter combat despite being largely deaf
Deaf and nearly blind!
And he didn't take a demotion to ENTER combat, they were already in the Solomon Islands, rather he had gained the Rank of Corporal as a National Guard Training Officer and felt his degraded senses made him unfit for such an active combat command position...
AND THEN his Platoon fell into an ambush by a Japanese Machine Gun Nest, so he charges them as a distraction to let the rest of the unit escape!
I like how by the time we get the "They'll keep fighting, and they'll win!" at the end, I had forgotten that I was watching an in-universe propaganda film. When I saw the "and they'll win!" it read as ambiguous to me. I thought they might have been talking about the bugs winning.
Fun fact their teacher ( Michael ironside)is the voice of Sam Fisher in the Splinter Cell series
So, on the red floors bit, that was actually a tactic used on naval vessels at one point (and if I'm not mistaken there are some countries that still do it). Think the general idea was "If you can't see your buddies blood and guts as easily, you won't be thinking about it" and maybe a bit of "Don't have to clean to thoroughly if the floor matches the mess......"
29:30 Verhoeven himself did in fact say that the Bugs did send the meteor, and if it wasn't for the hit to the ship it would've struck Geneva instead of Buenos Aries.
nedver knew that. thanks.
I think it works better as a false flag to drum up support for invading arachnid space. Also, source re: Verhoeven saying it was sent by the bugs? Doesn't seem to make sense, with arachnid space being literally across the galaxy and earth having asteroid defenses.
@@TheCitizenPain bugs have FTL in the book and it's somewhat shown in the movie scene Gravity Distortion Asteroid (look it up)
@@TheCitizenPain I tend to believe that every meteor was a false flag. The government gains support for every meteor they destroy "See, without us you'd all be dead" and then when then need war support they just let one of their own meteors through. With every war, people become more apathetic and governments need to drum up support, maybe they perform their own false flag attack or they don't actively try to stop one they know is coming or they take out an opposition leader they know will garner support from their population.
Verhoven did not comment on that as far as I know. Can you name a source? The meteor was very obviously a false flag operation.
25:15 not seeing Zim do anything heroic.
Gets busted back to private so as to be able to join the fight on the frontline.
Gives rico a mouthguard to help with the lashes.
Ding ding
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Even after more than 25 years, Starship Troopers is still way under appreciated & misunderstood.
I love this movie. I love the book too. It’s a shame, I want a faithful adaptation, but I also just love the overtop cheesiness of voerhovens work, even if it is as a middle finger to the source material
9:03
I believe the term you were looking for is "Hugo Boss"
The "Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?" Is a take on Dan Daily's famous quote to his Marines in WW1 during the fight for Belleau Wood. "Come on you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?"
I've just finished watching "poor things". You absolutely must review it, it's so fantastic and more people need to see it
I love that Timothy Omundson(Carlton 'Lassie' Lassiter) plays a psychic in this in a cameo.
Zim taking a demotion to fight with the people he trained just reminds me of my job. Not in any sense of war but had a supervisor quit and then came back to work as an employee. Said he hated being a supervisor due to all the bullshit he'd have to put up with and would rather work with us. He was a great supervisor and now a great coworker. He would rather load trucks and I prefer to give people breaks so I switch jobs with him any time we're scheduled the opposite. Started when I was doing what I feel is the most boring job and he was scheduled to do breaks. I offered to switch with him (I could have forced the switch due to seniority, but have too much respect for him) but he declined until halfway through that day. Told me he was going to 'flip out' if he got back on a forklift due to all the pedestrians.
This is a double nod to the Zim character in the book. As the company commander of Rico's basic training unit, he offers to be reassigned to a combat unit after messing up by letting a recruit land a punch on him. Later, at the end of the book, he is the fleet Sargent under Rico during Rico's assignment to a real unit as an officer as the final for officer's candidate school. Zim takes initiative and basically leads the capture of the first live brain bug.
The book is available on Google Play and maybe other platforms. It is a short read. I find the premise of the mobile infantry much better in the book than the movie. But the power suits in the book would not work well at all in a movie, as they are akin to mechs. Hard to get good closeups of pretty actors in a mech.
This is starship troopers 4th renaissance. Nobody gets the say this movie is underrated anymore.
Its complete dogshit
It is, no matter how much time passed, people (including this youtuber) still wrongly think it was a Fascist movie and satire.
It portrays a Liberal Meritocratic Democracy with limited suffrage, by every metric. Calling it "fascist" only reveals the lack of understanding about what "fascist" even means
@@user-xl5kd6il6c honestly I swear people these days think facism is when military and hugo boss
@user-xl5kd6il6c Paul Verhoeven literally disagrees with you but go off I guess?
@@user-xl5kd6il6c I wouldn't call any society where you need a licence to have a kid "liberal". That's a massive limitation to personal freedom.
If you really think "violence is the ultimate authority" is inherently fascist, means You never thought about why you cant just break a law and then refuse to take the punishment...
Most people don't think, they are programmed. Thinking requires a desire to risk proving yourself wrong... most people simply cannot do that, even if they tried.
Even if we ignore that argument, like, the UN's charter on what makes a nation a nation includes a nation's government having a "monopoly on violence" which would mean literally each of the 218 nations in the UN are fascist nations following his logic.
@@JumboCod91 I think that's a bit harsh, everybody can and does think it just depends on the information they have available whether or not what they think will really differ from what is expected.
But many can, and do break laws and refuse to take the punishment. Your point has more holes than Swiss cheese. "Violence is the ultimate authority" is dictionary definition fascism. If you honestly don't think it is, then you might want to re-examine your ways of thinking.
@@Stathio Buddy that Point IS so rezarded i Dont even know how to Adress it. So Just because people can Break the law, the entire Statement IS wrong? Holy Shit thats dumb
Can't believe you didn't put "would you like to know more" as an iconic sentence;)
ive heard that the directors have said that the asteroids ARE sent by the bugs
The book says it as well
I mean, they did
@@thelastone0001 In the book it makes sense, the bugs have got technology, space travel and so on. in the movie all we see is ground troops, so for all we know they're still planet-locked.
Paul verhoeven admitted he didn't read the book, so book and movie are basically completely seperate works.
@@oscarlove4394he bugs have athmispheric range plasma missiles in the movie, so sending an asteroid is not hat difficult using the brain bug and basic math, the problem is the worm hole.
@@spinosaurusstrikeryeah, it's not a "problem" it's basically impossibility. Unless there is a bug with magical force powers that can tear spacetime continuum, but then it would be quite useful as a planetary defense weapon
I saw this movie for the first time when I was WAAAAAY too little, but as an adult, it's one of my top three all time favourites... (SST, Galaxy Quest, and The Princess Bride). This film is the best example of why filmmakers need to use practical effects whenever possible, it just hold up sooo well! Also, I think it has one of the best film soundtracks ever!
I saw this as a kid and fucking loved it, watched it and it's sequels as an adult and fucking loved it again, never got the fascist thing at all, also as an adult lusting after Dizzy as an adult and thinking Humanity Fuck Yea! (I fucking love the Imperium in W40K as well) but also Amy Smart! god she's perfection!
For the Emperor!
The people who call this film fascist have no idea what fascist means.
Fantastic film!
It's not that it's supposed to be fascist. It's that it's supposed to be a satire of fascism.
It's definitely kind of uncomfortable and morally grey at times, but I wouldn't say it's the masterpiece in that regard people make it out to be. Feels like people are just repeating what some smart "media literate" guy said, combined with all the Trump mania.
Also if you read the film director's comments in Wikipedia, he wasn't exactly progressive and there's a reason he chose bugs as the enemy.
What people forget from the book is that the voting franchise is open to everyone, provided they give some service to the state ( not always military). The government has an obligation to find a way for you to serve, even if you are handicapped in some way. You are not denied the chance for any reason except your unwillingness to be of service to your community.
Can't really attribute to LT. Ratsczack's the whole 'wanna live forever' line. The original quote is from a US Marine Daniel Daly in WWI one of two who earned the MoH twice for two separate acts of Valor. According to Marine Corps lore, Daly rallied his men at the Battle of Belleau Wood by yelling, "Come on, you sons-o'-bitches, do you want to live forever?
And according to other comments on here, the quote predates even that, allegedly.
It's also attributed to Frederick the Great of Prussia at the Battle of Kolin (1757)
19:10 this one clip just made me realize that The Federation is technically still using M14s based on the bolt design.
Even more fun, they're full auto conversions of the Ruger mini-14 in .223, and iirc the film holds the record for blanks fired.
@@MultiMcgruber you can say 5.56
@@AleksKieca Pretty sure Bill "King Fudd" Ruger made the og Mini-14 in .223, but if they used the AC-556 in the film, then yeah, they'd be chambered in 5.56
Of course, that's mostly pointless pedantry.
@@MultiMcgruber The muzzle devices are M-60 flash hiders.
Take it up with the prop department, poor props cant be used to make inferences for in universe tech...
Starship Troopers and Mars Attacks got me into the whole space theme (bar, even before Star Trek or Stargate) --- a good recap, I enjoyed the trip to the past, thanks
Amazing breakdown! I also was like 15,14,12,10,9,8 years old when I saw this film loved what you did there throughout the video 🤣
"Flip six-ed right in the brain bug three-hole" Also qualifies for an ICONIC line 🤣
29:16 you'll try to quote the director and writer on the intent of the film but you won't bring up that the director and writer both said the bugs DID send the meteor. not even up for debate
This dude straight up did this video because of Twitter's mental gymnastics.
That and when you look at what Paul tries to Fascize from the book..... it really shows the director bais (i.e. the quick conviction of the murder was also a pdf file whose murder victim was said child whom was "diddled" by the guy. So really it was quick because of the overwhelming evidence and crime.
Where did you hear that? I can't find any mention of that anywhere, and it wouldn't make sense if it did. Every single thing I can find about the meteor states that it was clearly a false-flag.
@@DudeItsDan The war started AFTER the Bugs genocided a city of 8+ million people, including the parents of the MC. The movie has very clear timeskips that people seem to ignore
The bugs technology to do it is also shown both in the movie and in the book
@@user-xl5kd6il6cpeople forget that the bugs can shoot plasma through space, with that anole you can send a meteor to another planet by knetic force alone.
"Zegema Beach" deserved to be an Iconic Line ding. You can't change my mind.
Iconic counter: we are going in with the first wave…..means more bugs for us to kill!!! Best line and delivery of the movie. Great video
Fun Fact: the reason why the tall, blonde and white leads are from Buenos Aires of all places, is because it was a destination for Nazi's escaping europe after they failed. So even when at first it seems that this cast doesn't fit where they are from, well, think again...
Also, at 17:51 they showed this movie again in cinemas here a couple of years ago, and someone in the audience yelled out ''I ONLY NEED THREE, SIR!''.
As someone who's never seen this movie despite my age, yeah I think I wanna go watch it now.
So thank you for that.
The tent scene.
"Would you like to know more?"
"graboids are from Klandathu" is the wildest thing ive heard lol
16:42 Disagree, it wasn't a "bad choice" to have not chosen Diz first, it only demonstrated that he wasn't playing favorites. Choosing Ace first demonstrated honesty. And for the choice to subsequently fall on Diz, and after she witnessed it was all following a fair-minded "right of first refusal", she had no reason to not be pleased with how the position moved naturally in her direction, and there was no bad blood.
@4:50 read the book. The guy is actively trying to dissuade people from joining the military. The military as a whole does all it can to dissuade Rico and his friend from joining. The man's prosthetics are deliberately stubby and awful.
We meet him later (like, same chapter) when he's coming off-shift wearing full-size prosthetics and is actually quite a happy, fulfilled man. He wears the bad ones 'to help scare people,' and to try and keep them from joining.
He sees military service as a leech on public funding.
And the system is still democratic, it's just restricted in who can vote, limiting it only to people who have fought for it. If the 1700s America and 1800s America were republics/democracies, then so too is this system. Just the criteria is different. (Women and minorities can also vote- the sole criteria being you join and serve. The book repeatedly stresses you can be a huge idiot and physical invalid and STILL find a job in the military, 'doing something').
Whether the film is fascist propaganda, "maybe," but the source material isn't, and that shines through in the film, muddying matters considerably.
I loved that this just dropped just as the resurgence of this movie because of Helldivers 2. For Super Earth!