Are Premium Bonds A Good Investment?

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @DamienTalksMoney
    @DamienTalksMoney  8 месяцев назад +358

    This video is the first in a new series where each month we will examine whether popular ways to save and invest actually live up to their promises. Please drop your suggestions below for what else you want me to cover.

    • @nateblanche2551
      @nateblanche2551 8 месяцев назад +4

      Fantastic idea Damien! I'm definitely here for the journey.

    • @Jalleur14325
      @Jalleur14325 8 месяцев назад +10

      Gold

    • @LR_Jordan
      @LR_Jordan 8 месяцев назад +2

      Uranium

    • @azharsheikh8337
      @azharsheikh8337 8 месяцев назад +11

      Gold&Silver please. Thanks. Love your videos.

    • @guydudley
      @guydudley 8 месяцев назад +5

      Great video. I'd be interested in a look at investing in classic cars and similar depreciating assets that people convince themselves are a good investment.

  • @AliBapcyk
    @AliBapcyk 8 месяцев назад +84

    The production quality on your videos is really getting next level. Watching the journey is such a joy. Love to see it.

    • @DamienTalksMoney
      @DamienTalksMoney  8 месяцев назад +10

      Thank you so much! Only just getting started I want to really see what a finance video can be and currently I am held back by my own lack of skills

    • @wheeldo
      @wheeldo 8 месяцев назад +2

      Walking around the barrier into the "fortress of a compound" at the end 🤣🤣

    • @AliBapcyk
      @AliBapcyk 8 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/BpRZSPNZY7w/видео.htmlsi=fRtAF5kFv_JMAI8K
      “Because sometimes, it’s really hard to actually do your own ideas” 😄

    • @randomallan3724
      @randomallan3724 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@wheeldo Its an empty building been like that for years :) They moved out and built houses as you can see in the video.

  • @VegasMilgauss
    @VegasMilgauss 8 месяцев назад +233

    As a high rate tax payer the fact they are tax free, safe as can be and can be accessed whenever make it a no brainier for emergency fund.

    • @gdwnet
      @gdwnet 8 месяцев назад +3

      Totally right. Easy to transfer the money in and kinda forget about.

    • @thejudge2352
      @thejudge2352 8 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed.

    • @tommyb8202
      @tommyb8202 8 месяцев назад +7

      Yep, its the tax free element that makes the difference. On average my bonds makes more than saving accounts because of how much the savings would get taxed

    • @Kazi2812
      @Kazi2812 8 месяцев назад +6

      A cash ISA is tax free too...

    • @slabbygabby
      @slabbygabby 8 месяцев назад +1

      What looollll. Have you maxed out your sipp and isa

  • @markmahood3093
    @markmahood3093 8 месяцев назад +180

    I've my emergency fund in premium bonds. I find it handy as I'm not tempted to spend it as its out of my current account. Also i do it instead of the lottery for a small bit of excitement in an otherwise rather dull existence 😂

    • @demos113
      @demos113 8 месяцев назад +9

      Exactly the same reasons as myself. 🙂

    • @logosg
      @logosg 8 месяцев назад +3

      😂

    • @anterosLondon
      @anterosLondon 8 месяцев назад +1

      They are fantastic! Every friend abroud is jelous we have them here.

    • @marcse7en
      @marcse7en 7 месяцев назад +4

      That's EXACTLY how I view mine! As an emergency fund, that's safe, and not easy to spend, and can win you money! I won in November, December, January, and March! A tidy sum too!

    • @grahamnichols1416
      @grahamnichols1416 7 месяцев назад +1

      Premium Bonds are far better than the lottery. Unlike the lottery you don't lose money if you don't win.

  • @drfurbz
    @drfurbz 8 месяцев назад +26

    The production value on these videos is really starting to show, love the content keep up the good work.

  • @seanwalsh168
    @seanwalsh168 8 месяцев назад +46

    I stopped my DD to lotto around mid 2021. I basically just took my £25 DD for Lotto and instead used it to get premium bonds.
    I was lucky to win £100 last October which now has my pot at £1125. That’s more than I have seen in return from lotto in a 5 year period. I’d go as far as to say with lotto I was massively out of pocket. This swap was and still is a no brainer for me. When pairing up against lotto.

    • @Loundsify
      @Loundsify 8 месяцев назад +5

      I've won £1100 since October. £50k holdings as it's basically my deposit for a house.

    • @slabbygabby
      @slabbygabby 8 месяцев назад

      @@Loundsify Why not use a Lisa? Or have you mixed your Lisa out?

    • @Yorkshiremadmick
      @Yorkshiremadmick 7 месяцев назад +1

      Plus you still have £1125 cash 💴

    • @seanwalsh168
      @seanwalsh168 7 месяцев назад

      @@slabbygabby well my logic was this was my lottery alternative.
      I also am currently paying a mortgage on my first property. And I dont max out my ISA so I didn’t see a benefit in LISA. Unless I’m missing something

  • @repentmaster2842
    @repentmaster2842 8 месяцев назад +95

    It's highly liquid (withdraw when needed), risk-free (guarantee capital preservation) and tax-free, with high potential upside (albeit low chance). Certainly has its unique place and value amongst the heavily-taxed British. As you said, it's a tax-free shelter for the people (especially those who can't afford to hire accountants to setup companies/FICs to dodge tax), so it's doing good for the public

    • @Banthah
      @Banthah 8 месяцев назад +21

      Agree with everything you’ve said, apart from it being risk free.
      The very real risk is that you don’t win anything, and are losing out on gains elsewhere.
      Let’s take the average £5k investment and the 5% return that Damien mentioned. Investing £5k after 20 years at 5% you end up with £13.5k - a gain of £8.5k.
      If you put your money into Premium Bonds and don’t win anything you still only have your original £5k - which every year is losing buying power because of inflation - especially these days.
      It is not risk free at all. Your risk is an £8.5k loss
      And that’s at a low 5% rate.
      Investing in the S&P 500 averages around 9% over 20 years - meaning your £5k would on average become £30k. That’s a £25k risk

    • @d0palwh56
      @d0palwh56 8 месяцев назад +11

      Couldn’t disagree more. It’s guaranteed capital deterioration (inflation), not preservation, and there is almost no chance of an upside. Yes, buying an index fund carries risk of downside (mostly in the short term), but compare the returns from any year since records have begun - the opportunity cost is enormous.

    • @jabberwockytdi8901
      @jabberwockytdi8901 8 месяцев назад +2

      The British are not heavly taxed, for instance our annual income tax free allowance is double most other european countries. Among those countries with universal health care we have low taxation and if you think the US is lower taxed would you really want to put up with their apalling labryinthine multilayered tax system? - even before you consider that ferociously high cost of healthcare there (where also your care is ultimately capped by the limits of your insurance unless you are very rich )

    • @repentmaster2842
      @repentmaster2842 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@BanthahI agree money de-value over time in the past century, so the wisdom was to flee to hold real assets. But picking the right stock/fund from S&P 500, and time the market right, is not easy for layman. 80% people loses in stock market and funds; I believe there are too much misinformation in the financial market and mis-sales driven by commission and management fees. I still think the loss in real value due to inflation, is the lesser evil compared to stock/funds' investment loss from mis-sale/misinformation (and this hasn't consider capital gain and income tax yet)

    • @repentmaster2842
      @repentmaster2842 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@jabberwockytdi8901British are heavily taxed compare with Singapore and Hong Kong (no capital gain and dividend income tax), and no N.I or 20%/40% income tax thresholds and compulsory pension that may extend to age 71+

  • @IssieAndLife
    @IssieAndLife 8 месяцев назад +9

    This is a solid video! I've been keeping most of my emergency fund and house deposit in Premium Bonds for the last 2-3 years for the exact reasons you describe at the end. I've found the golden amount to hold is between £20k and £25k for "luck" and payout reasons. Using the MSE calculator, I worked out that keeping less than £10-15k or greatly increased how much luck factors into the winnings.
    In my personal situation I've found I've been better off with PBs compared to best interest savings I had access to by about £100 in the last year. It definitely needs to be compared to savings account as opposed to an investment. Obviously in my case I should've invested 2-3 years ago, but I may need quick access to the money, and I'm not eligible to use a LISA for house purchase.

  • @adamp6320
    @adamp6320 8 месяцев назад +22

    Additional rate payer here, yes PB are where I stick my emergency fund. It's liquid, safe, and if I'm lucky enough to win (usually between £25-£100 a month) I don't pay any tax.

  • @alexisval-e5x
    @alexisval-e5x 8 месяцев назад +11

    One aspect you didn't highlighted is the security of premium bonds. It's important to note that NS&I is government-backed, ensuring the safety of funds in the event of bank failures or similar circumstances. This makes premium bonds a secure alternative option for holding money also.

  • @progress2success402
    @progress2success402 8 месяцев назад +4

    8:17 Damian this is one of the most important things I have ever heard you say that I don’t think a lot people understand it! Could you cut this into a short to expand its reach!! This I feel aligns with your purpose/goals 😉

  • @lyracian
    @lyracian 8 месяцев назад +6

    I have heard it all before but did enjoy the way you presented it.
    For me Premium Bonds are my emergency cash fund due, as you said, to the tax free return. Once I have 20k in my ISA each year then spare cash goes into bonds.

    • @nikoc3585
      @nikoc3585 8 месяцев назад

      Make sure you pump your SIPP to £60k max before you do! You can spend a SIPP on commercial property, gold bullion at the royal mint, stocks share etc!

    • @lyracian
      @lyracian 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@nikoc3585 That locks it away until you hit retirement age though. If I have a crisis then premium bonds are an easy access option.

    • @DarrenSmith-tq2xz
      @DarrenSmith-tq2xz 4 месяца назад

      And it's all at risk enjoy the rest of your life being poor by the day no one understands that you have a counterpartie and when we have another crisis which is going to be 2008 on steroids banks are insolvent no deals no loans and no deposits get ready for the banking bust by design you'll own nothing and be happy

  • @scoobydoo12ism
    @scoobydoo12ism 8 месяцев назад +3

    Finally, someone from a younger generation than myself giving good quality investing advice. Keep it up mate…loving the “out and about” style of video too, it’s a good concept, makes everything feel like a mini documentary rather than someone sat in a boutique studio rattling off shite…that’s when the viewers attention span falls off, keep up the good work pal💯👍🏻

  • @paulm6742
    @paulm6742 8 месяцев назад +2

    Superb explanation, I have a tiny £500 in premium bonds I've had for a while but I've wasted untold amounts on the lottery. Will follow your suggestion and pay into my bonds instead.

  • @Nates33
    @Nates33 8 месяцев назад +7

    What a video Damian! Loved the new format, loved the structure of the video and the fact that it contained everything that it needed and still wasn’t boring or too long. Bit of history, a few puns and jokes, maths and taxes of it all and then the personal reference and your personal take.
    Great video overall, keep up the good work!

  • @DeeJayFahrenheit
    @DeeJayFahrenheit 8 месяцев назад +52

    I had Premium Bonds since I was a kid in the 90's. Not once did I win any amount. I had forgotten I had my bonds until last year, then I hit up NS&I and sold them. I walked away with £1800. That's £1800 that had sat there NOT accruing interest for almost 3 decades.

    • @Al_Does_Stuff
      @Al_Does_Stuff 8 месяцев назад +1

      Do you know if that was the original amoun? Going that far back any winnings would most likely have been posted to you. I know from the web dashboard you can choose to automatically pay back into and buy more PBs now but don't know if the same was the case going further back.

    • @JHA854
      @JHA854 8 месяцев назад +3

      That is sad. If you got even 5% on that each year and reinvested, you'd be looking at over £6000.

    • @DeeJayFahrenheit
      @DeeJayFahrenheit 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@Al_Does_Stuff yeah, I've got the original paper documents from when my Gran bought them for me. It's the original amount.

    • @DeeJayFahrenheit
      @DeeJayFahrenheit 8 месяцев назад

      @@JHA854 that's exactly what I said that to my dad when I cashed out. Based on my experience alone I couldn't recommend Premium Bonds to anyone.

    • @Al_Does_Stuff
      @Al_Does_Stuff 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@DeeJayFahrenheit that does suck then I wonder a little if they've managed to computerise everything entirely successfully at times. It must be a headache having damn near 70years of info with a huge amount of it having been transferred from paper copies

  • @d0m96
    @d0m96 8 месяцев назад +7

    Your videos are just getting better and better. Going on location, and interspersing these historical videos is awesome!

    • @DamienTalksMoney
      @DamienTalksMoney  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed those points as it makes the extra effort all worth it

  • @ademcguinness8132
    @ademcguinness8132 8 месяцев назад +16

    Essentially, if you struggle with good financial habits (such as paying yourself first and leaving your savings alone) then premium bonds can be a helpful tool to help you save. They are not investments in my view, but a lottery ticket where you loan the government money and you might get a prize over your entire life, with the benefit of not affecting your Capital Gains Tax :) People on the internet stating it has a "yield " claiming the chance to win is an effective interest rate is at best misrepresentation and at worse a terrible lie.

    • @jonathanfaull1880
      @jonathanfaull1880 8 месяцев назад

      But it's still nice when you win a couple of hundred quid and Camelot didn't get to keep it.
      Ah if only John major had been a statesman of Harold Macmillan stature.

    • @firesaab31
      @firesaab31 7 месяцев назад +1

      With ISA’s maxed out, as couple we have the max allowance of £100k. It will be 19 months at the end of March.
      I have had double the return over that period compared to my wife.
      Against the best savings accounts we are only slightly down on what we would have earned after tax.
      We are happy to accept that.

  • @MoneyGist
    @MoneyGist 8 месяцев назад +39

    I think the original problem was referring to this "investment" as "bonds."

  • @danielfarrell3534
    @danielfarrell3534 8 месяцев назад +2

    I've won just under £1000 in a bit over a year of holding bonds. Pretty happy with them and they're a safe portion of my portfolio. I've got my pension set to high risk funds for more exposure, and it's doing well. My Vanguard stocks ISA is doing well lately also. Nowadays I just sling £25 into Premium bonds every month as a constant trickling in that's a safety net fund also just in case. When I win, it's a happy bonus.

    • @Jalleur14325
      @Jalleur14325 8 месяцев назад

      Yes providing the government doesn't go bankrupt...

    • @danielfarrell3534
      @danielfarrell3534 8 месяцев назад

      @Jalleur14325 if the government has gone bankrupt, we've got big problems anyway. Would uave probably withdrawn all the money before that to pay for food and water 😆

  • @phesho
    @phesho 8 месяцев назад +1

    My "rainy day" savings are in Premium bonds. No more, no less. Pretty much instant access and a possibility of winning makes it an attractive option for me.

  • @roberthuntley1090
    @roberthuntley1090 8 месяцев назад +14

    My take - ignore the big prizes because you won't win them (and if you do, it a nice exception to the rule). Focus on the steady stream of £100 and below prizes (if you hold enough bonds). With £50k held, I normally win zero two months a year, £300+ two months year, and the rest average out at £100 or so. Total over the last 12 months is £1700, tax free, so not too bad.
    Also don't totally ignore the mid range prizes, over the last 20 years I've one on £1k prize (I only had £30k invested back then) plus one £500 prize - so these come up once a decade or so. This variability makes it futile trying to compare the "investment rate" with other ways of saving, one lifetime is too short to average out these effects.

    • @4444aliraza
      @4444aliraza 8 месяцев назад +2

      I think this proves the point Damien is making. Thanks for sharing.

    • @Al_Does_Stuff
      @Al_Does_Stuff 8 месяцев назад

      The fact you get cash out is nice, however even at 30k 1k winnings is about 3% assuming the rest of the year ran even with your averages (which it probably wouldn't as your averages are for 50k) your hitting 9% tax free return for the big win year.
      Taking your 50k and your average return it's actually about 3.4% YoY which is a bit meh. I think PBs are a good emergency fund as it's a bit of a set and forget with no tax implications but not great for wealth creation.
      I do pay into premium bonds regardless as I find it convenient to have as a ready cash source which can be useful for throwing into ISAs and the like at the start of the year. I do however wonder if with my level of income I'm better off elsewhere.

    • @Waddywoos360
      @Waddywoos360 8 месяцев назад

      @@kieron8051 That is assuming you haven't already filled up your ISA allowance. The real question is whether its better to put it into a regular ETF and pay capital gains or park in premium bonds for tax free growth. Given market exposure through pensions and ISA, my view would be to go the NS&I route for at least a certain amount as its a risk off asset to balance you out.

    • @KyleGoslan
      @KyleGoslan 8 месяцев назад

      Ouch! This is very unlucky, I’ve less than 30k invested and won 10 times over the last 6 months…none of them £25 either.

    • @usgreth
      @usgreth 7 месяцев назад

      In between here, also less than 30k but about 10 wins over 12 months, you got lucky with none of those being £25! @@KyleGoslan

  • @SkeletonDrums1
    @SkeletonDrums1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Ive had my house fund parked in there for 2 years now. 22-23 i got a 4% return and 23-24 i hit 8%, so im pretty happy! Only ever had a couple of months with no prizes at all and most the time i've had a couple of hundred quid.

  • @elainhayter9144
    @elainhayter9144 8 месяцев назад +11

    I love PB. I use them to save for big one off expenses such as our family holiday to Florida and now saving for our wedding next year. For me they're risk free and I might win some money along the way (which i have done). Loving all your videos Damien 🤩

    • @DamienTalksMoney
      @DamienTalksMoney  8 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah I also save my tax money in them! They have a special place in my financial heart

    • @Waddywoos360
      @Waddywoos360 8 месяцев назад

      @@DamienTalksMoney the risk-off nature of them vs the stock market where most people will have their pensions & ISA's invested is part of the attraction of premium bonds - parking your tax value in there is a great idea!

  • @MaxwellBoulton
    @MaxwellBoulton 8 месяцев назад +3

    Damien On Location and Studio Damien works well and helps break up the story telling, would love to see more of that! Keep it up Damo!
    -Max

  • @jamesbarry1739
    @jamesbarry1739 8 месяцев назад +7

    The instant access is also a big plus. It's where ive stashed my deposit for a first home and Im getting better returns than with instant access savings accounts. With the unrealistic caps on help to buy it seemed the best way to go.

    • @schopesonline
      @schopesonline 8 месяцев назад

      Have you considered a LISA?

    • @jamesbarry1739
      @jamesbarry1739 8 месяцев назад

      @@schopesonline I live in London, so it's the same threshold

    • @aidenfreedom
      @aidenfreedom 25 дней назад +1

      It is not instant access mate, they give themselves up to two working WEEKS to credit your account, yes it can be credited sooner but there is no guarantee!!! I have just been told 8 days before they will pay back my bonds.
      I am closing the account next week due to loss of faith in nsandi (Government backed) than means nothing anymore, wait for the New budget and what follows?

  • @asmith9140
    @asmith9140 7 месяцев назад +2

    put it this way spend a £1. On lotto and it's gone wbut save those pounds up and buy premium bonds then you've a chance of winning something or cash them in and get your money back

  • @Ztandard32
    @Ztandard32 7 месяцев назад

    I just checked.
    I got a return of 2.9% from premium bonds in the last year.
    When interest rates were 0 PBs paid 1%.
    I'm not complaining.

  • @TomARowly
    @TomARowly 8 месяцев назад +30

    Not for the individual - but great for the government

  • @georgeacres4
    @georgeacres4 8 месяцев назад +2

    That merge at the end from voiceover to continuing the sentence outside NS&I was smooth... didn't go unnoticed!

  • @willmoore7582
    @willmoore7582 7 месяцев назад +2

    Well I've had £40,000 invested at one time, however with £21,500 invested I recently won £10,050 which sure reaffirms my faith in NS&I. I would rather take a no loss gamble than give banks my monies to make themselves rich, whilst rewarding me with next to nothing.

  • @andrewcarter7503
    @andrewcarter7503 8 месяцев назад +5

    Probably not a good investment. But if you're self employed or someone who (like me) gets most of their income from dividends, it's not a bad place to use as a "tax reserve". Putting money aside that you know you'll have to pay to the taxman eventually. So, not as a saving strategy but so you don't get a tax bill you can't pay.

  • @richy5314rp
    @richy5314rp 8 месяцев назад +9

    I agree completely it’s not an investment and with inflation you lose a little but I still do it.
    Have you done a video on trading 212? They pay interest on any uninvested cash but your money is invested in a financial product so doesn’t get the fscs financial protection. I opted out

  • @bill-2018
    @bill-2018 7 месяцев назад

    3.5% for me last year.
    £50 this year in January and £200 in March.
    I'm not complaining, this year off to a good start.

  • @Narky
    @Narky 8 месяцев назад +1

    If you're a higher earner the tax free prizes from premium bonds are worthwhile like you said Damien. I've had two maxed out accounts at premium bonds for a few years and the fact i don't need to pay tax on the winnings is why i keep it running.

  • @tectoramia-sz1lu
    @tectoramia-sz1lu 7 месяцев назад

    My wife and I both have the maximum PB holdings, and have done quite well.
    Winning something most months. Winnings are paid straight into our bank accounts.

  • @edward92128
    @edward92128 8 месяцев назад +4

    I have £50k in premium bonds and on average I get over £200 a month so I don’t think that’s too bad

  • @supersuede91
    @supersuede91 8 месяцев назад +1

    If the Bank Rate is above the rate of both CPI and Core inflation, and you want risk-free gains, then you should max out your personal savings allowance (if you have one), then max out a Cash ISA, and then max out your Premium Bonds - every year, in that exact order.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 8 месяцев назад

      The problem is that there is a feedback loop in the personal savings allowance. Hence me changing the amount I pay into my pension AVC twice this year.

  • @ilikeboringthings9
    @ilikeboringthings9 8 месяцев назад +302

    Premium Bonds = Middle-class Lotto

    • @JohnBeeblebrox
      @JohnBeeblebrox 8 месяцев назад +39

      Not a fair comparison? You don't get your stake back with lotteries...

    • @reggie5495
      @reggie5495 8 месяцев назад +26

      ​@@JohnBeeblebrox It's a fair comparison. It's still a lottery; you're just gambling with the interest.

    • @jamessmithson-br7rm
      @jamessmithson-br7rm 8 месяцев назад +18

      It’s like a lottery but just not for chumps, you get entered into a draw every month and can always redeem your initial capital/ amount paid for a ticket.

    • @FA9082
      @FA9082 8 месяцев назад +7

      I once dated a girl who advised me to put my savings in premium bonds and I literally had to stop myself from laughing in her face when she said it 😂

    • @navarios1
      @navarios1 8 месяцев назад +13

      Stick 50k in & achieve average or below average winnings & the tax free aspect is actually relatuvely attractive (assuming you are already using up your yearly savings income tax free allowance)
      This is pretty much the main selling point though (beyond the offchance of winning big)

  • @AliciaSykes
    @AliciaSykes 8 месяцев назад +1

    Reason I hold Premium Bonds, is because I love the thrill of knowing I have (a tiny) chance of winning big. I use the money I'd otherwise be spending on Lotto tickets.
    I know it's not an effective investment alone, but it slightly balances the high risk of my stocks and shares ISA, and means I'm not loosing money playing the lottery.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 8 месяцев назад +1

      My Stocks and Shares ISA always seems like a far bigger gamble than Premium Bonds.

  • @almostthere-q6c
    @almostthere-q6c 7 месяцев назад

    Never done the lottery as always seen it as a way of paying more tax. Premium Bonds were great after I had to come out of pension fund due to LTA rules and maxed out ISA. Rate is comparable to good savings, your money is safe and there is a chance...
    I am biased as I got lucky and won £50K last year. So my annual return was over 100%

  • @MrsGemmaAndrews
    @MrsGemmaAndrews 8 месяцев назад +1

    Premium Bonds are my fave place to have my emergency fund! Plus I’ve won over £400 in the past year on just under £2500 of premium bonds. Also I just love the excitement of the month around draw time! 😂

    • @wildberrygarden
      @wildberrygarden 20 дней назад

      Me too, I used to spend money on the lottery, now I put money into PB each month.

  • @hugslugs
    @hugslugs 8 месяцев назад +13

    Had £300 for 15 years, never won a penny so cashed out and parked it somewhere with more predictable returns.

  • @dianewhitworth4953
    @dianewhitworth4953 8 месяцев назад

    In 2018 and 2019 had an investment of about 6700. I had originally invested 23000 but drawn some out . For each of those two years I won 10 months out of the 12 giving me 12 x £25 wins as two of the months I won two . The following year I won once , I invested a further £10000 but won a couple of times. So I withdrew and now have my money in savings

  • @diddly206
    @diddly206 8 месяцев назад +25

    I had just over a thousand pounds in my account when I won £5,000 last year. I’ve decided to withdraw all the money and look at investing instead since I don’t think I’d ever win on it again.

    • @mikebarry229
      @mikebarry229 8 месяцев назад

      I know several people with Premium bonds, some win all the time some hardly at all, so maybe some batches of numbers are luckier than others. Luck is chance and probability at play, the fact that you won £5000 doesnt affect your chance of winning the same amount the next month or the one after that. With your luck I'd have kept £1000 of the winnings and put the other 4k in more PB's. If you win nothing again for the rest of your life it's still not cost you anything as you kept £1000 of your winnings, and you would still have £5000 safely stored away.

    • @tortozza
      @tortozza 7 месяцев назад

      Ironically your chance of winning would be six times what it was before

  • @DavidRed2
    @DavidRed2 8 месяцев назад

    Over the last 12 months my NS&I maximum holding Annual Percentage Rate was 2.4% tax free. My wife’s APR is 4.1% tax free. It is FUN. My 2 Stocks&Shares ISAs are returning 17% & 18.9% but just aren’t as much fun.

  • @simonstewart872
    @simonstewart872 8 месяцев назад

    I have had bonds since my birth day in 1961 and have added to them over the years, after some early small wins, I have just checked and have won £25 only in the last 10 years!. I bought some Rolls Royce shares last year and they are up over 50%, needless to say I will be closing my bond account and invest it in a high yielder with a guaranteed return!

  • @stevea7021
    @stevea7021 8 месяцев назад

    Exactly why I hold £50k of them Damien. Glad you didn't condemn purely on the rates like some do!

  • @KOLAFlipper
    @KOLAFlipper 8 месяцев назад

    I keep a few grand in Premium Bonds as an emergency fund, happy to roll the dice on the opportunity cost of lost guaranteed interest. I certainly don’t consider it an investment, just a safe place to park my back up cash with a small chance of a big win.

  • @intruder313
    @intruder313 7 месяцев назад

    I used to work there - it's a secure but not secret location.
    One thing you did no pickup on now is that the majority of low prizes are actually £50 or £100 now.
    The figure you gave for total PB I think is actually the total invested in all NS&I Products (at one point about 14) and another reason people pile money into these is that it's all covered by the Treasury, not just the first £85K.
    'Anyone rich and famous' you can think of has about £4m invested with NS&I (the max across the various products at the time).

  • @robertsmith4830
    @robertsmith4830 8 месяцев назад

    Since my premium bond total went above £10,000 my average annual winnings have been just over 5% p.a. I've won £250 once, but all other winning numbers have been £100 or less although it's not unusual for two or even three numbers to win £25 in a given month. I consider it sensible to have some diversification in my cash holdings which is why I own premium bonds, but I do not expect I'll ever get close to having the maximum of £50k invested (and I never considered I'd get close to £30k when that was the limit).

  • @helder869
    @helder869 8 месяцев назад +1

    Those bonds are tax free which makes a good difference. And people love positive skewed investments. That's the same reason people prefer lottery like stocks (growth) over value stocks

  • @mattsennett
    @mattsennett 8 месяцев назад +7

    I got £1,500 last year on the full £50k. For me it's the best place for my emergency fund and I am happy to "pay" for a bit of spice each month when the draw comes around. You never know your luck 🤞🏻

    • @sebluketravis2438
      @sebluketravis2438 8 месяцев назад +1

      don't buy spice, it is an addictive drug and many people end up on the streets.

    • @markwilliams4274
      @markwilliams4274 4 месяца назад

      Do your winnings compound over the years or are you forced to cash out your winnings.

    • @mattsennett
      @mattsennett 4 месяца назад

      @@markwilliams4274 If you hold the maximum £50k you have to take the winnings. If you hold less than that you can build your bond total or take the winnings.

    • @thehallstar4642
      @thehallstar4642 2 месяца назад +2

      But 50k in a 5% savings is £2500

    • @mattsennett
      @mattsennett 2 месяца назад

      @@thehallstar4642 yes it is but you will then have to pay 40% tax on that.

  • @bonse1
    @bonse1 7 месяцев назад +1

    I dont feel like people use premium bonds as a "serious" investment. They do it for easy no risk (realistically) "fun" with emergancy access if required.

  • @andrewyoung5126
    @andrewyoung5126 8 месяцев назад

    I’ve maxed out on premium bonds as my emergency fund. My money isn’t at risk, I get quick access to it if I need it like if I lose my job or my boiler explodes, etc. it gets more return than my savings account and there’s always the chance of a decent win. I don’t class it as an investment. I have a pension and isa account for that.
    In 33 draws, I’ve failed to win a prize on 4 occasions. I’ve averaged 5.2% overall.

  • @LynneF-jx2uj
    @LynneF-jx2uj 8 месяцев назад +7

    Very informative, Damien. I have held some NS&I index linked savings certificates for years as another tax free option. Shame they are so rarely available now!

    • @brianwillson9567
      @brianwillson9567 8 месяцев назад

      Index linked. So glad I made the maximum subscription, issue after issue. But even then they rig the return by changing the index to a doctored lower one.

  • @gkhan3911
    @gkhan3911 8 месяцев назад +2

    I guess they’re an OK option if you’re fortunate enough to have maxed out your various savings allowances and ISA’s and still have some money to put away tax free.

  • @cad4246
    @cad4246 8 месяцев назад

    Savings are not just for future consumption. They are also for peace of mind, e.g. so that you can cover an unexpected cost. For many, this is worth paying a small %

  • @jablot5054
    @jablot5054 8 месяцев назад +2

    I hold £50k but i don't treat them as an investment. I just like winning something each month, with the chance of £million. Its just for fun.

  • @MrDanbowz
    @MrDanbowz 8 месяцев назад +1

    Personally i think if your someone who plays lottery/scratchcards then your better off buying this since your ticket doesn't expire and you can reclaim the full amount back that you built up over time.
    The other option i could see is long term planning for your passing to help with costs.

  • @0u70fSync
    @0u70fSync 8 месяцев назад

    I had some premium bonds bought for me as a child. When I was old enough to open a kids bank account which paid a good rate of interest, I cashed out my bonds and put them into the account. I think to date, that's been the best "investment decision" I've ever made.
    Premium bonds are only worth thinking about for people who have more cash than they know what to do with, i.e. they can max out their premium bonds and just leave it there. The point being that the money is safe and any "winnings" are free of tax.

  • @ArtistisMe
    @ArtistisMe 8 месяцев назад +1

    Nowt wrong with them. Purchased, won prizes, withdrew funds... purchased again & still winning more. I was working class eventually retired, early admittedly.
    I've always won more than I'd get from any bank in interest, so it's great as far as I'm concerned.

  • @anterosLondon
    @anterosLondon 8 месяцев назад +2

    I love Premium Bonds. It motivated me to start savings, let's remember how important this is. TO SAVE and not SPEND. When we spend the money usually it is 100% loss. If Premium Bond and the hope to win is more motivating than a guaranteed little something, then PREMIUM BOND as the best thing EVER. There is no other investment which makes me so excited that the second working day of the month is here and I can check if I won or not🙂 Thanks for another good video Damien.

  • @liamwalsh75
    @liamwalsh75 8 месяцев назад

    For an emergency fund I prefer the Vanguard Sterling Short-Term Money Market Fund paying 5% , 🤷‍♂️
    Put it in as part of my ISA allowance. But obviously everyone has different financial circumstances.

  • @JHA854
    @JHA854 8 месяцев назад +2

    My mum bought me £250 of bonds when I was a baby, I'm currently trying to claim them back so I can put them in my ISA but I'm pretty sure they are still worth only £250 lol. I think I might have one small win since 1997.

  • @bobdidit55
    @bobdidit55 7 месяцев назад

    We just started doing bonds.
    Our reason for it is, we’ve played the lottery for years and never really won more than a couple of quid and we are bad at dipping into our savings.
    By using the money we play the lottery with, plus what we save. We are guaranteed to save money and maybe have a chance of winning extra. If we don’t win anything, it’s no big deal because we haven’t lost anything either.

  • @samatronn
    @samatronn 5 месяцев назад

    I won lots last year!!!! Very fortunate year considering I only had a few k in it. Ive now put my house deposit into it instead of investments for assurance that I will have the money when we close in a few months :)

  • @deanoc1530
    @deanoc1530 8 месяцев назад

    I saved my house deposit in bonds as i was unsure when i wanted to buy and also the quick access without being penalised. I gained more in winnings than any savings account would have earned.

  • @chrisgreenwood271
    @chrisgreenwood271 7 месяцев назад

    We tried PB last year, one year later the PB return out did our ISA's, which had a fixed rate of 2.8% the return from PB was equal to our current ISA rate of 4.1%

    • @Harry-TramAnh
      @Harry-TramAnh 7 месяцев назад

      You should be able to get a better rate on your ISA than that.

  • @jamessmithson-br7rm
    @jamessmithson-br7rm 8 месяцев назад +3

    They are a great gateway product. Growing up all I really understood were savings accounts (with terrible interest rates) or the lottery/ gambling.
    Premium Bonds are a good way to get your man on the street who might be making “bad” financial decisions to start exploring the wider world of investment products.
    It’s an easy sell that instead of spending £50 on lottery tickets, you buy £50 on premium bonds instead - it still tickles the same thrill, but your ticket gets entered every month and you can always redeem your initial capital

  • @Liensy
    @Liensy 8 месяцев назад

    Agree with this, it's where I keep my 12 month rainy day fund should something happen, what I win is just a bonus, that's how I see it

  • @willp1979
    @willp1979 8 месяцев назад

    It still makes sense to save some money in an ultra safe place even if it doesn’t outrun inflation (emergency fund to avoid even more expensive debt), and premium bonds are perfect for this, with a very small chance of a massive prize!!

  • @nickceppi3553
    @nickceppi3553 8 месяцев назад +2

    Great vid as always. Keep pushing the space - the extra detail and effort in these videos doesn’t go unnoticed!
    On tax free income that you cover at the end… one thing I don’t see a lot of people talking about w.r.t. tax free sources here in the uk… the income from Gilts/uk gov bonds are exempt from capital gains tax. Long story short, this makes up the majority of the return on gov bonds (as the bond is typically bought for less than its principle). With higher rates and outdated tax free thresholds on interest income, a lot of people have been putting money into these to achieve a better post-tax return on their cash. Even more relevant now capital gains tax allowance will be 1/4 of what is was. Could be worth running the numbers and exploring this topic in a video while rates are still high. Although this is mainly attractive to people who are higher rate tax payers, past 10k invested interest income (as you mention) and already filled 20k ISA allowance for the year… so limited audience. But gilts are getting more interest because of this.
    Cheers, Nick

    • @rupertmiller4718
      @rupertmiller4718 8 месяцев назад

      Its not entirely straitforward but is actually a good idea. There are different gilts and at the moment the short dated are yielding more than the longer term. The interest or coupon on gilts is taxable the gain is not. So the trick is to buy low coupon and maximise the gain element.

    • @nickceppi3553
      @nickceppi3553 8 месяцев назад

      @@rupertmiller4718 exactly, a bit of nuance to it, but can be an attractive option

  • @bennybenoit754
    @bennybenoit754 8 месяцев назад

    I used them as a quickly accessible place to hold my deposit for a house when I was looking to buy. I would get regular small prizes and even won a grand one month. Overall I had a good experience with them but don’t hold any now my saving priority has switched back to long term goals.

  • @carolynellis387
    @carolynellis387 7 месяцев назад

    When the £50 prizes were available before reducing to £25, my mum won £50 nearly every month!
    We used to call it a pleasure purse and go and have a lunch in then 80s/90s
    We liked them, better than the Lottery &Tax free.

  • @thepropertyflipper
    @thepropertyflipper 8 месяцев назад

    The unseen impact of inflation over the long term makes premium bonds unnatractive, until you look at the alternatives. It's so difficult to build wealth long term in this country unless it's in a pension or ISA wrapper.

  • @littzy5576
    @littzy5576 8 месяцев назад

    I put in £500 each for my two kids into premium bonds about 14 months ago they have won nothing yet. However I am just leaving that there for them until they are 18. Just a token amount giving them a chance to win lol. I have already written this money of if it grows that’s a bonus.

  • @rogersimmons8788
    @rogersimmons8788 8 месяцев назад

    I have a few quid stashed in premium bonds for no reason other than my savings are out of sight, out of mind. I'm not reliant on any income from them. I'm 66 and at this stage of the game, there is an argument for not saving at all. I do it because old habits die hard. Plus the twinge of excitement when the draw is made and i check the app. Yes, I too need to get out more!

  • @SS-vz9iv
    @SS-vz9iv 8 месяцев назад

    I've held them when the interest rate was 0.1% and over 10 years it paid out 1% a year as an average. I also went over 12 months at a time without a prize. Now you can get better returns elsewhere so they aren't there anymore. Good for easy access piggy bank with a few go on a lottery each month. Not an investing stratagy though, and maybe i should have done that but until finding Damien and also wanting the easy access/ not being in a position to lock up the money long term I didn't consider investment. I think PBs have a place but they aren't the one and only as many people who are financially uneducated may believe.

  • @michaelkiddle3149
    @michaelkiddle3149 8 месяцев назад

    I have a little money in premium bonds, but I would recommend putting as much as you can afford into a pension and retiring as early as you can

  • @darylbultitude3786
    @darylbultitude3786 8 месяцев назад

    That. Was. Amazing. If these are the types of video you want to make moving forward then I am all for it! I only hold bonds in an investment fund but listening to this, you said something about making saving more exciting. I think this could be a great product for my boy, get him exciting about saving

  • @MarkHanna824
    @MarkHanna824 8 месяцев назад +4

    This is so weird, I was going to comment on your next vid asking your opinion on premium bonds! Always giving us the content we need!🧡

  • @jamesc328
    @jamesc328 8 месяцев назад

    Personally I put my emergency fund in Premium Bonds, as you have the chance of winning big, but can also take it out easily

  • @pmac6584
    @pmac6584 7 месяцев назад

    Agreed good place for emergency funds and instead of doing the lottery. I just did the calculation for my winnings and I am getting £191 per month average so far.

  • @ThatFinanceShow
    @ThatFinanceShow 8 месяцев назад

    There’s no one that can touch Damo on video quality right now.

  • @zzhughesd
    @zzhughesd 8 месяцев назад

    24million Brits. Never knew this well invested us Brits are. We do love them Damian !!!! Don’t we. I have held 50k twice while have money free between purchases elsewhere. I heard once something like 20-40% have the max 50k!! You may have mentioned it in the video

  • @Kl3mzwero
    @Kl3mzwero 8 месяцев назад +19

    And to Damo's videos I say... Alright alright alright!

  • @Bigtinycrawler
    @Bigtinycrawler 8 месяцев назад

    My parents have 50k each and have had that for years, and they make a consistant income.from them every year. I asked and dad said its on and off but generally it average out to about 200 quid a month

  • @ade1963
    @ade1963 8 месяцев назад

    I have about 39K in premium bonds - over the last year they returned over 8.5% (the highest prize I won was £1000)

  • @timcoupland5824
    @timcoupland5824 8 месяцев назад

    My premium bonds are my emergency fund. Easy to forget and easy to get at. And Camelot don't buy your ticket back If you don't win. So may not make much but it's safe, stands a chance of growing substantially and is there when I need it to save me selling my investments.

  • @JDP.Finance
    @JDP.Finance 8 месяцев назад

    I say Max out your Stocks & Shares ISA, Max out your personal savings allowance and then put the rest of your money in Premium Bonds 😊

  • @truemanofkent
    @truemanofkent 7 месяцев назад

    When I held £30,000 ten years ago, I had a prize of £10,000 after holding the bonds for 6 months. Not a bad return.

  • @ollie1317
    @ollie1317 8 месяцев назад

    I had £10 in them from the late 80's i think and unsurprisingly never won a thing! In my late 40's i had a bit more to spare each month and for the first time in life had more than a few hundred available to save each month but with the crap interest rates of recent times i thought it might as well be in premium bonds with the chance of winning,got upto about 5.5k before winning my first 25 quid. i like them and the chance to win and dont really care that its not the best investment,since getting up to around 20k i get far more regular small wins and have earned around 5% in last year.Since the interest rates gone up been putting new savings elsewhere for guaranteed rates but in no hurry to get rid of the PB's i already hold. and once the other things are earning enough to be taxable will prob buy more premium bonds as i like em!

  • @nerdydev
    @nerdydev 8 месяцев назад

    I have been saying tontine my whole life. my dad always called it a ton-tine . as in the tine of a trident. thanks for correcting me.

  • @stuartmcmahon8870
    @stuartmcmahon8870 7 месяцев назад

    My son has a fair amount of premium bonds for a 6 yr old, every time we think of switching to an Isa he gets a premium bond win. In the last 12 months hes won around £300, which is a around a 10% return on his holdings, me on the other hand, i have very little at 46 and havent won in years. as long as h'es winning I dont mind, its his future house deposit etc.

  • @Zero-Investing
    @Zero-Investing 8 месяцев назад

    20k ISA. Max cash balance for the £1,000 tax-free interest. NS&I 50k balance. All tax-free. The best investments for tax reasons, in order.

  • @davidbarclay54
    @davidbarclay54 8 месяцев назад

    Good place to park cash with instant access and no tax implications. Sometimes convenience is more important than scraping every last drop of interest.

  • @TheCompoundingInvestor
    @TheCompoundingInvestor 8 месяцев назад

    Fascinating level of detail and so well presented. Excellent video. All the best Damien.

  • @lff12
    @lff12 8 месяцев назад +1

    May I add the point that unlike normal investments, premium Bonds go towards reducing the UK government's deficit? So there is a common good resulting from output of purchasing a bond.

    • @jam99
      @jam99 8 месяцев назад +1

      I don't think it reduces the deficit (hence the payouts), but you are helping to keep the government's debt at home.

    • @lff12
      @lff12 8 месяцев назад

      Both good points.

  • @sunray83b
    @sunray83b 8 месяцев назад

    I've won £125 over 2 years with just over 2 grand - much better than I'd get with any savings account. A good emergency fund. I tend to just stick £30 a month in and forget about it.