Goldees Brisket Secrets Revealed!

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • Recently I was fortunate enough to eat at Goldees BBQ in Texas and speak to some of their Pitmasters! So in this video i'm going to smoke a brisket using some of the secrets they told me!
    Be sure to check the video out from when I was at Goldees here: • My Experience at the B...
    So I don't know all their secrets, but the few they were happy to let go are below:
    - They don't spritz during the whole cook
    - They don't wrap during the whole cooking process
    - They wrap only at the end in foil once the briskets are ready to rest
    - They will use some of the rendered beef fat in the wrap to rest
    - They use post oak wood in their offset smokers
    Obviously there's much more to the process but they were some interesting points I took home after spending some time there.
    I especially love the "no wrap" during the cook as you get some EPIC bark!
    In this video I also used their BBQ rub which is AMAZING too!
    If you are ever in Texas, be sure to check out Goldees BBQ and if you want to follow them more closely, check out Jirbys channel here: / @jirbybbq
    I'll cover everything off more in depth during the video, so enjoy!
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Комментарии • 222

  • @tyler6147
    @tyler6147 Год назад +34

    As a multi generation Texan in every direction on my family tree, I want to say thank you for doing us proud. A lot of people think the US "doesn't have culture" but oh it certainly does!

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      Thanks so much! That means so much 🙏

    • @randy8643
      @randy8643 Год назад

      They say Anglo Saxon countries don't have culture to justify their destruction by mass immigration

  • @offroad-adventure
    @offroad-adventure Год назад +9

    Nice job man! Jirby takes his briskets off at 195 and holds at 140 till service. He claims anything over 200 becomes more like a smoked pot roast.

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      Cheers mate! Speaking to Kim there in one of my previous videos she was saying the goes more by feel and probe around 205.

    • @kenethsoberano
      @kenethsoberano Год назад +2

      Jirby changes his story every 5 minutes. He's full of hot air.

  • @Swa1nTrain
    @Swa1nTrain Год назад +3

    The most patient BBQ of any brisket seen to date .... 🤤🤤🤤🤤

  • @christianoliver3572
    @christianoliver3572 Год назад +6

    Did your Cambro hold that brisket at service temperature for the entire 12 hours?
    Cambro, for y'all who don't know, is a producer of restaurant quality containers that are really good at holding foods and liquids at temp for long periods of time.
    And they are the best in the business.
    They are also rarely seen outside of commercial kitchens in the US as here they aren't really sold retail.
    They're expensive but they'll last forever if you take care of them.
    The second best option for home use is to wrap the brisket in foil or pink butcher paper then put wrap it in towels and put it in a cooler.
    This works pretty well but it's not going to work as well as the professional equipment.

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      They are so good. After 12 hours it was at 55-60c internal.

    • @fastrecipes6573
      @fastrecipes6573 Год назад +1

      Another cheaper but effective way is using a sous vide which can cost $100-200. Basically you vacuum seal the brisket and let it sit in a water bath at 140-150F. I'll keep the brisket at that temperature for up to 20 hours and just serve when my guests arrive. Not trying to plug my channel just trying to offer an alternative to the Cambro

  • @robinbramlett110
    @robinbramlett110 Год назад +1

    That bark is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. And that smoke ring? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 That brisket just looks EXCELLENT!!!

  • @stephenmitchum5864
    @stephenmitchum5864 6 месяцев назад +1

    It’s so nice to see a real trim, not the BS aerodynamics, so you don’t get burnt ends lol.
    Honest about the Rub not the BS of only salt and pepper .
    And the actual skill of not having to use a crutch and ending up with a steamed brisket.
    Great job, Bravo !

  • @ballsdeepinurmouth
    @ballsdeepinurmouth Год назад +2

    Heavy on the rub, 10 hours unwrapped, the bark is insane...best brisket Ive ever smoked...that black bark!!! Love your vids, thank you.

  • @In0centz
    @In0centz Год назад +1

    Had to re-watch this coming up to father's Day, my wife got me an offset smoker so gotta be prepared! Got a 8kg brisket from Austral meat and I'm all ready to go!

  • @kingerc1
    @kingerc1 Год назад +1

    😢😢😢 brings a tear to the eye

  • @In0centz
    @In0centz Год назад +2

    Been waiting for this!!

  • @BabyDiego10599
    @BabyDiego10599 Год назад

    You never had to wrap during the cook! 😮 I always have to wrap or my brisket will never get to 205, it would probably take more than 10 hours easy. Great job! 👏🏽

  • @greeneyedsam07
    @greeneyedsam07 Год назад +1

    Can't wait to try this...

  • @AllenRichter-s7m
    @AllenRichter-s7m Год назад

    Top notch video for a top notch brisket. Smoke on, brother!

  • @mattpatt199
    @mattpatt199 Год назад +1

    Holy cow. Literally haha.
    That is a bloody amazing looking brisket

  • @MrSkybeau
    @MrSkybeau Год назад +3

    Now that is the mother of all Briskets 🤤🤤 You make it look to bloody easy 😅

  • @richarddaley6403
    @richarddaley6403 Год назад +2

    Don't know that I can wait that long to rest lol. But going to give it a try. About to put a brisket on. That Goldee's brisket rub is rather tasty

  • @chriscastellanos3985
    @chriscastellanos3985 Год назад +1

    THAT LOOKED EXCELLENT!!!🍻🥩🍖

  • @russellnentwich8745
    @russellnentwich8745 Год назад

    That’s a fine looking brisket sir! Great job

  • @markbryant7411
    @markbryant7411 Год назад

    One word, AMAZING!

  • @micomator
    @micomator Год назад +3

    I think having plenty the rendered down beef fat makes a big difference. I tried this method but it ended up too dry because I didn't;t have much fat to add back in before the foil

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      Definitely.

    • @micomator
      @micomator Год назад

      @@LownSlowBasics I've seen some recipes where people rub the brisket with beef tallow, from a tub. Have you tried or considered?

  • @christopherhobby8391
    @christopherhobby8391 Год назад

    All the way from east central Florida aka the Space Coast. Gotta say that looked amazing. And it made me hungry real bad. Lol 😂 🤤. Good job brother.

  • @mattvangampler7508
    @mattvangampler7508 Год назад +1

    I just got an oklahoma joes longhorn reverse flow in. Brisket won't be my first cook, but it won't be much longer after that. This one looks delicious! Might try it to see how it differs from the traeger briskets!

  • @dustypirates9562
    @dustypirates9562 Год назад +1

    Super jealous Goldie’s seem like an awesome crew would love to make my way there one day

  • @reflectionsdetail
    @reflectionsdetail 6 месяцев назад +1

    I have never found a difference between resting 5hr or 10hrs+, what is the idea behind resting for 1/2 day or more?

  • @jessf6649
    @jessf6649 Год назад +1

    Well this video came at a good time, smoking a brisket on my Oklahoma Joes offset on Tuesday 🤤

  • @johnanderson6429
    @johnanderson6429 Год назад +1

    That looks fantastic mate.👏👍

  • @Kidam101
    @Kidam101 4 месяца назад +1

    they only use water for binders

  • @grahambishop263
    @grahambishop263 Год назад +1

    Wow just wow

  • @billturner4427
    @billturner4427 Год назад +1

    Very good smoke!

  • @anthonymaglio1483
    @anthonymaglio1483 Год назад +1

    You NAILED IT mate, looks incredible! Is it possible to achieve that level of bark in a kettle in your opinion?

  • @BennyBestt
    @BennyBestt Год назад +1

    Man, that looks incredible.❤

  • @3frenchtoast3
    @3frenchtoast3 Год назад

    Holy moly that looked amazing

  • @TheDrunkenBBQ
    @TheDrunkenBBQ Год назад +1

    This is awesome, brisket art this is🔥🔥👍👍

  • @Trblmkr07
    @Trblmkr07 Год назад +2

    It's all about the rest for good brisket, that's where you get that fat really rendering down and melting into the meat. I pull my brisket around the 190-195 mark, this will keep the meat from turning to a grainy texture. Hold in the cambro or oven (make sure it's at 150ish) for at least 10-12 hours. To kick up your brisket, use Salt and Pepper, and Lawry's Season Salt (that's the secret ingredient).

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      🤘

    • @PapaShongo25
      @PapaShongo25 Год назад

      When you pull at 195, do you let the temp of the brisket come down to around 150 before putting it in the warmer? (Assuming it’s wrapped in paper)

    • @Trblmkr07
      @Trblmkr07 Год назад

      @@PapaShongo25 Nope... I pull it off the smoker, add some beef tallow, and wrap in aluminum foil. The put it away to rest.

  • @chuckhansen5325
    @chuckhansen5325 Год назад +4

    Brisket looked good but I never heard you say anything about there secrets. And using ther seasoning is no secret

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      The wood they use, the fact they don’t wrap. They don’t spritz…. Mentioned all of that plus more in the video….

    • @chuckhansen5325
      @chuckhansen5325 Год назад +4

      @@LownSlowBasics none of that is a secret

  • @blueenglishstaffybreeder6956
    @blueenglishstaffybreeder6956 Год назад +2

    Always been a fan of not wrapping brisket or beef ribs, gives for a better bark, resting is key too, remember the days they used to tell us 1-2 hours

  • @kevvids
    @kevvids Год назад +1

    Looks awesome mate!

  • @primoisrael
    @primoisrael Год назад +1

    Looking good! 👍 try the Hawaii buns with some cheese

  • @17forever64
    @17forever64 Год назад

    The only thing I would suggest, is to wrap the brisket at about 150f in foil and take up to around 200f.

  • @randyhogan3071
    @randyhogan3071 Год назад +3

    Looking good! I was fortunate enough to take Goldee's brisket class, so if I may, I'll pass along a Goldee's secret . Your brisket looked simply amazing by the way! If you plan on resting it for 12 hours, according to Jirby, try pulling it when the the very center of the brisket hits 195. Temp the flat that's under the point as it's dead center and the last part to come up to temp. When it's 195 right there, pull it. You might find your brisket ends up a bit more moist and I think you'll like it. Give it a try next time! Great video!

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      Love it! Cheers legend.

    • @petergriffinson1907
      @petergriffinson1907 Год назад

      Hi! Can I ask what temp they start with and end?

    • @randyhogan3071
      @randyhogan3071 Год назад

      @@petergriffinson1907 not sure what you're asking

    • @petergriffinson1907
      @petergriffinson1907 Год назад

      @@randyhogan3071 what temperature you start the smoker and what temperature you end the cook with?

    • @randyhogan3071
      @randyhogan3071 Год назад +3

      @@petergriffinson1907 Here's what they said, down and dirty. 200-225 for the first 3 hrs, bump to 250 till stall (wet on top, 145-165), bump to 275 to push thru stall, then 300 once dry on top(175-185) to render fat. Looking for 195 in the very center of the brisket if you're gonna rest for 12ish hrs. If you're gonna rest it for 4 hrs or less you might wanna take it to closer to 200.

  • @danielostara5103
    @danielostara5103 Год назад +1

    On point wow mate 👌 !!!

  • @kickzj
    @kickzj Год назад +1

    How good does that look 👌 🤤. Nice job 👏

  • @OscarOlar
    @OscarOlar Год назад +1

    Hello keep up the good work!, what temp did you smoke it?, it looks great overall but in some parts (towards the Point) the meat looks a little too crispy and a little overcooked (some tearing when slicing), my guess is that you are cooking over 275F, 10 hours is a very small amount of time for such a big Brisket.

  • @ng2180
    @ng2180 Год назад +1

    A luv yer werk. N

  • @HARDWAYS
    @HARDWAYS 8 месяцев назад

    I am new to cooking Brisket, did you cook the brisket with the fat side down the entire time? Or did you flip the briskets? And also when you held The brisket was the fat side up or down thank you

  • @mstrathmore
    @mstrathmore 10 месяцев назад

    Hey Aaron, mouthwatering mate. Could I ask what knife that is? Blade length? Would be cool if you posted an Amazon link.

  • @rjboodell
    @rjboodell 4 месяца назад +1

    Silly question… is this cold when you are eating it? If so, how do you serve hot?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  4 месяца назад

      Nope. Keep it in something well insulated and it’ll hold at a nice eating temp for a long time.

  • @johns1161
    @johns1161 Год назад +1

    Mate, you’re always taking it to another level, that brisket is unbeatable!! May I ask which model Oklahoma joe you’re using here? I have the Masterbuilt but looking at an offset

  • @adamblundell6402
    @adamblundell6402 Год назад +2

    So a quick question. Where do flys go at night?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      This is something that keeps me up at night wondering.

  • @kaneoliver2080
    @kaneoliver2080 Год назад +1

    When resting it for so long does it go cold or does it keep its temperature because it’s in an insulated box.
    Thanks great work looks so good 👍

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      Keeps temp for a very long time in a box like that.

  • @chyrongreen
    @chyrongreen 9 месяцев назад

    Do you have a link for that specific cambro?

  • @davidbranidis2705
    @davidbranidis2705 Год назад +1

    That looked absolutely amazing! Do you think you'll ever wrap again during your cooks?

  • @johnmclaren8983
    @johnmclaren8983 Год назад +1

    What's the advantage of this Cambro thing as opposed to simply wrapping in foil/placing in esky to rest?

  • @david.chappers
    @david.chappers Год назад +1

    Amazing. Any ideas why my brisket comes out so dry? Weber GA with riser @ 130-140c, no wrap, taken off just over 90c, 7hrs.

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      Could be a range of reasons mate. Could be the meat quality, could be a bit too direct in the GA.

  • @gerardrobert2292
    @gerardrobert2292 Год назад +1

    Great vid. Gave me a semi.

  • @bcarter1430
    @bcarter1430 Год назад +1

    Looks incredible. Did that cambro hold it above 150 degrees for 12 hours?

  • @petergriffinson1907
    @petergriffinson1907 Год назад

    Was the lean dry? I know the point is juice.

  • @Wicky781
    @Wicky781 Год назад

    Love the videos! I just brought the Oklahoma Joe bronco pro. Are you able to do brisket on there as I haven’t seen you use yours for a brisket before.

  • @earnestevans7376
    @earnestevans7376 Год назад

    How do I get that bbq sauce u used

  • @stevepascoe
    @stevepascoe 11 месяцев назад +1

    You said it has a nice long rest, 12 hours after you took it out of the cambro. So was it resting in there for 12 hours post your 10 hour cook?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  11 месяцев назад

      Correct

    • @stevepascoe
      @stevepascoe 11 месяцев назад

      @@LownSlowBasics oh snap dude. I’ve thought max you could rest was like 4-6 hours but from memory it’s more to do with the internal temp not dropping below a certain point for food safety reasons hey. Looks like a Cambro will do a great job of holding that temp.
      Good to know with summer and bbq season. Need to work on my planning, I usually finish a cook at 2am.

  • @jazgirl1000
    @jazgirl1000 Год назад +1

    What if you don’t have a cambro how can you keep it warm for the 12hour rest?

  • @claytonwebb6250
    @claytonwebb6250 Год назад +2

    Looks great mate! When you say smoke at 135 Celsius, is that the temperature that hits the meat, firebox exit or at the gauges on top of the smoker? Still learning the offset smoker and where to attach the temp probe! TIA

  • @jeffreymorphett
    @jeffreymorphett Год назад +1

    Love it 🤙

  • @craigtcasson
    @craigtcasson Год назад +1

    Great video man, I'm keen to know what temp was the brisket when you pulled it out of the Cambro? I have one of those I have just never done a 12 hr rest in one, was it still warm? That'd be a game changer if that is the case, keep up the good work mate, impressive stuff!!

  • @MrAussieHomeCooking
    @MrAussieHomeCooking 5 месяцев назад

    1 comment I have not seen go up.... I have always been told the point and flat get cut in different directions. Also both sides of the point are what they use for burnt ends, take a nice cut of each side of the point and turn that into the burnt ends. Why am I as far as I know the only 1 that is Aussie (Australian) that has taken this into consideration, seen so many yanks (Americans) slice it the way I have just commented....

  • @matty_isthemotto
    @matty_isthemotto Год назад +1

    So would you say their rub is what made it better or any particular way you cooked it?

  • @Ace-fc9dn
    @Ace-fc9dn Год назад +1

    May I ask if the core temperature is 70 degrees before taking it out?

  • @CameronWaldon
    @CameronWaldon Год назад

    Outstanding!
    Any idea where I can get smoker mods in Aus?
    Im looking to extend the stack, put a stack lowering kit in the chamber and baffle plates.
    Only place I can find is BBQsmonermods in the states but shipping is a killer.
    Anyone here do it ? For reference it’s for a OKJ Highland.
    Cheers, love the content

  • @Moneyalmenial
    @Moneyalmenial Год назад +1

    Great video and brisket!
    How durable is that Cambro material? I know it is somewhat like polystyrene in appearance, but is it much stronger?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      Cheers mate! It’s pretty good! I reckon I could stand on it hey.

  • @dalebrown1936
    @dalebrown1936 Год назад +2

    What type of Cambro you're using??

  • @jessefitzgerald3461
    @jessefitzgerald3461 Год назад +1

    If i use this method but rest in a Yeti eski should i use boiling water to pre heat? or just bang it in as is?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      It’ll be ok as is for a short rest. But for a long rest over 4 hours I’d pre heat.

  • @ryanbramich6951
    @ryanbramich6951 Год назад +1

    Looks amazing! Did u prefer this method and result to foil boat?

  • @wayneblack9307
    @wayneblack9307 Год назад +1

    That looks great !!! What wood did you use ? I normally use Ironbark . What temp were you running through the cook ? 10 hour cook was quick ?

  • @brentsaringer770
    @brentsaringer770 Год назад

    Mate that brisket is insane! Can you tell me what the Cambro food warmer brand/model is at all? Any chance you wanted to sell any extras of the goldees bbq rub? 😉🤤

  • @matthewtaylor8727
    @matthewtaylor8727 Год назад

    Awesome video, is that how you’ll do briskets all the time or do you have a different preferred method? Also was there plenty of juice (not fat) in the foil after the wrap? I always like to pour a bit over it after reheating.

  • @robbs7403
    @robbs7403 Год назад

    Any idea were to get goldees rub in oz?

    • @anthrx0
      @anthrx0 Год назад

      Its Kosher Salt, Black Pepper, and Lowrys Season Salt mixed together. The pitmaster from Goldees made a video on it

  • @alexburrows202
    @alexburrows202 Год назад +1

    Do you think you could pull off the same in the weber?

  • @mikejanson1939
    @mikejanson1939 Год назад

    The Bark looks like it would taste burnt more than the seasoning u put on it? Could u taste the seasoning at all?

  • @KingTJL
    @KingTJL Год назад

    Hey mate with left overs are you able to heat it up in a way you get some of the same quality out of it?

  • @BigWillRacing
    @BigWillRacing Год назад +1

    Devine

  • @maryfrancis3
    @maryfrancis3 Год назад +2

    Where do you suggest to buy a Cambro from? Online? Thanks :D

  • @fishmaniac9374
    @fishmaniac9374 Год назад +1

    12 hrs rest doesn’t it get cold

  • @garbageman18
    @garbageman18 Год назад +1

    Little over, but nice video

  • @chrisreeves8037
    @chrisreeves8037 Год назад +1

    The trimmed fat, you rendered it down. I do this except I save it to replace "fat back" for the pinto beans. It gives the dish a mild smoky undertaste only a Texan would understand.

  • @mickpalmer1966
    @mickpalmer1966 Год назад +1

    I need some 😋

  • @mitchellgarufi
    @mitchellgarufi Год назад +1

    Looks amazing! 😍 What temp?

  • @JimOHalloran
    @JimOHalloran Год назад +2

    That looks amazing, makes we want to cook up another brisket! I'd imagine the Goldees rub would be hard to come by here in Australia. Any thoughts on the flavour profile to help find (or make) a similar rub? Being Texas, I'd expect a fair bit of salt, pepper and garlic. Could Beef Bounce be mixed with some extra spices to be a bit more like theirs?

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +3

      Hrmm yeah it is. It’s very unique. Bit of turmeric, onion powder, paprika added to beef bounce should give you something similar.

    • @davo912
      @davo912 Год назад +1

      If you watched the videos. It's salt, pepper and lawry's

    • @0713mas
      @0713mas 11 месяцев назад

      ​@davo912 This is pretty spot on, two parts course ground pepper one part kosher salt and one lowrys lower sodium.
      I just compared it with the goldees brisket rub. I've used Lowry"s for many as an AP/season salt for doing everything from smash burgers, smoked burgers, beer can chicken, smoked chicken wings porkbutt and brisket.

  • @joey8567
    @joey8567 Месяц назад

    Flat toward fire. It takes longer than point.

  • @piratelute8934
    @piratelute8934 Год назад +1

    What temp did you cook at? Seemed fast for how big of a brisket you had

  • @rubenbenitez8225
    @rubenbenitez8225 Год назад +1

    Like n subbed

  • @kipcarbone1730
    @kipcarbone1730 Год назад +1

    what cambro do you recommend?

  • @tealnexttimebond8859
    @tealnexttimebond8859 5 месяцев назад +1

    Goldee’s doesn’t season sides ad uses warm/ hot water not mustard

  • @yiorkos1972
    @yiorkos1972 Год назад

    Just out of curiosity, where do you get the briskets you use from, what MB rating are they? Cheers, George.

  • @joey8567
    @joey8567 Месяц назад

    Goldees uses water , not mustard

  • @Spectre_N7
    @Spectre_N7 Год назад +3

    Excellent brisket video… but why call it Goldees Secrets Revealed? Outside of the Goldees rub and T-shirt I don’t see anything “revealing” or secretive.

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад

      The No spritz, the wood type they use, the fact they don’t wrap were 3 I mentioned in the video……..

  • @shaungill6992
    @shaungill6992 Год назад +1

    🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

  • @bigfishhunter6801
    @bigfishhunter6801 Год назад

    Fat side up?

  • @17forever64
    @17forever64 Год назад

    Omg, don’t ever trim a brisket’ I’m so tired of seeing people do this. I always say the fat is free and I don’t even charge anyone that eats if. If you don’t want the fat, trim it after it’s done, that’s where the flavor comes from , that fat !

  • @rokknow1746
    @rokknow1746 Год назад +2

    Over cooked for sure, you can clearly see some of the bark is burnt through the cap. If your at 206, you over cooked you brisket by 2 hours. 195 - 198 is your target. Nice try though.

    • @LownSlowBasics
      @LownSlowBasics  Год назад +1

      Every brisket is different. Not every brisket is going to be done at 195-198. Even Pitmaster Kim from Goldees goes around 205 a lot of the time. There’s no set number, I favour feel and prove tenderness over everything.

    • @smarterray
      @smarterray Год назад +2

      Temps are a guide but doesn’t determine the finish. Experience teaches you that.

  • @scottsmith31
    @scottsmith31 Год назад +1

    Buddy there’s already like 20 videos on this… you’re late to the game