The thing is, almost all the steady content of the game (Story modes, Tower, etc…) is a damage check, so you need to deal as much dmg as you can in the least Beast combo interruptions, while Elena can only shine in specific situations.
awesome breakdown and now i think i will at least keep s poison in my cars wish list until i get 3 cars for her. this was a huge reason why i still (but close) haven't SSS elena just yet. minus inverse world, I just haven't used her over s poison. s poison is arguably as important as b zangief bc you need her in events/bosses too (you don't need b zangief here). so wind priority fodder has gone to both, which brings up my point on why I ended up choosing to build viper over guile early on simply bc no fodder availability.
Forgive me if you already have, kind of feel like I’ve already seen you post it, but if you haven’t it would be great for you to make a FS priority list for F2P or in general.
when I know I just need that more dps to out damage them clear the round it’s poison and when dps won’t do I go the heal route to stay alive as long as I can and win that way, both great units for there specific jobs
Damn, I have street poison and I haven’t used her at all more than Elena! Elena is always my go to, but my street poison is weak with gear and her FS is not as strong, so I should work on her 2. Thanks again PB!
Until FS30, there's no real plausible way to get Street Poison to buff stack right? 6sec is pretty tight even with multiple combo bars thanks to the timer still ticking like normal when the supers/combos/EX initiate.
@@PayneBlade ye haha i deleted that part. i see her being good but is it worth going for her in Divination or should i go for trendy Cammy insteed? Also tyvm for awnsering so much questions! youre amazing dude
Yes they are but allowing her to build a bit after 20 second and then unleashing 3 combos or so back to back works decently. I will say they need to redesign her fs30 tho. It's too situational
For s poison’s 3/6 car effect, does it only trigger when when you start the super combo with her? If so, not as useful since we really only use her for combo 1.
Yep only when combo starts with her but tbh there are times if will be just her and bison for example and want to start the combo with her then cause bison does c1 and then her c2 does dmg when it doesn't charm for example on bosses
Can you please explain why the idle rewards are inaccurately displayed within the game? I have screen shots to prove it unless there is a viable reason for the disparity.
Hey dude. What do you mean? I mean you have to be more specific lol. There are a lot of issues with the idle part we found but do you mean fighter exp, breakstones, account exp or money?
@@PayneBlade Specifically the breakstone amounts. It never transitions to the appropriate amount when you beat chapters as well as the amounts are never met during the 40 stages.
Ive been using Elena for the moment because she sss 3 stars and 3 cars. I'm trying to get street poison to sss she only ss right now but i have her skill at 20 already for when i sss her for those buffs.
I dont see how is Elena a "one trick pony" when she's doing amazing things on every single command. She's super flexible and can cover every hole on your team composition...but if you are "stunning" your way to victory, Poison wins (almost always) because she increases dmg by a lot and that means less retries trying to chain stuns When comparing C1's Poison is more useful (not in pvp though) and Poison C2 is a trickier to use B.Zang stun so top tier quality. I haven't tested enough Elenas entry combo move (AoE buff DMG AND Speed) but I think her potential is incredible since Poison gives "only" crit damage and thats RNG dependent (not to talk about the fact that she can RNG double-trigger her C1 making her way better than Elena on damage ASSUMING you end up critting). And also you can use Elena Entry> C2 to get AoE ATK+DEF+Speed+Combo Gauge which is amazing on PVP or any place where you arent going to use stun. Both of them are safe options to max/main (and you'll end up using both anyways)...the only important thing you forgot to mention (unless i'm wrong and doesnt work like that) is the fact that you can get 100% away with Street Poison just at A rank (0 dupes) because her C1 isnt affected by your raw stats (unlike Elena who heals HP the more HP she has).
S poison gives crit dmg, atk and pressure not just crit dmg in one buff. 30% crit dmg, 15% atk, 15% pressure stackable 5xs. I did mention you only need an A S poison :).
I like them both but since I been using Street Poison, I win more fights in Challenges, Supreme Fist, PvP modes and do more damage in boss/raid modes. I still like Elena but Street Poison is better for me.
I think the simple explanation is that Street Poison is a damage buffer, while Elena is a healer. Two different roles, although they compete for the same spot. Single team PvE is all about doing 1 - 3 (and rarely 4) interrupts so that the opponents effectively only do auto-attacks and start of game triggers. The way I see it, if Street Poison changes the interrupt breakpoints (i.e. you need one less interrupt with Street Poison versus Elena), then Street Poison is better for that matchup. Otherwise, Elena gives more safety from incidental damage. Now, if you get fully into the degenerate territory where the opponent's team is > 4x your power level, then timing out is a real concern on top of interrupts. Street Poison obviously has the edge here again. Anyways, I don't disagree that Street Poison is clearly one tier above Elena, but I'd argue that Elena is more generally useful than Rose or Fashion Sakura. Lastly, can you check if Street Poison's buff stacks like it's supposed to? I have a FS 20 Street Poison, and even when I save up supers, I see the buff (blue heart icon) at 1-2 stacks. Also, I always have her in my tag position, and I've never seen people use her in the starting lineup (first three), so I do question the usefulness of her cars and FS 30.
Heya so as for fs30 she is actually no longer needed as a tag and can be a 3rd unit as her passive heals here and reduced dmg and after 20 seconds she stacks the buffs to 5 so quickly. I agree that Elena is useful in modes like Inverse world and shadaloo city but honestly I find rose to be better overall still. Fashion Sakura is one tier below her for heals for sure tho. Elena plays a pivotal role on team 2 and 3s.
@@PayneBlade Thanks for the reply. Yeah it would be cool to play around with her FS 30, but boost stones are an expensive resource for me. I still struggle with team comp with putting Street Poison in the starting lineup instead of tag position. Most starting lineups for PvE are Bison, Beast Zangief, and Fashion Blanka/C. Viper/Guile. I guess she could go in the starting lineup for bosses, although I haven't noticed that on the leaderboards. Do you know if Street Poison's buff stacks like it's supposed to? I have her in tag and even when I save up multiple super bars and unleash them quickly, I never see the buff go over two.
@@PayneBlade Thanks! To be clear, I have her at FS20, have 1/6 of her cars, and place her in tag position. When I store up a multiple super bars and chain them, I see her C1 applying 1-2 stacks but not increasing on the refreshes. Did you know that Fashion Blanka's FS20 doesn't even work? He never gives Wildfire stacks to allies. He's one of the most popular units in this game ffs. Strange thing is that it actually works once he reaches FS30. Well, at least the buff shows up visually on allies, but it's getting hard to trust anything with how many bugs are in this game.
Fashion blanka? Either pay to start the 28 day count down or you play until stage 16 as f2p (if I recall) and u collect enough vip points from there and u start the 28 day count down
She was an enemy (along with a pallette swap character, Roxy) in one of the old Final Fight games. Nintendo America had all these restrictions at the time and had an issue with her being a woman getting beat up in the game by the player. So, to get around this, they made her biologically male.
@Pedro Nicolau I didn't know. It's cool if she was but I just don't want all the characters I grew up watching ending up with uncontrolled mental health issues. This really isn't the forum for this topic though so that's all I'll say about it up here.
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I remember asking you this around the time she was still fairly new but it’s crazy how the meta shifted
Ya man things have changed up
I believe it depends on the team you're up against. Some team requires longevity some requires some extra damage
100% they will go back and forth between the 2 units for sure
once you get both healing skills the potato and blossom, i think abel is a really top tier as slot 2 assist for the shields for story mode
Ya his shield is incredible
I’m starting to see the power of street poison more and more everyday.
Great video as always.
Ya man she is really good
The thing is, almost all the steady content of the game (Story modes, Tower, etc…) is a damage check, so you need to deal as much dmg as you can in the least Beast combo interruptions, while Elena can only shine in specific situations.
Agreed
awesome breakdown and now i think i will at least keep s poison in my cars wish list until i get 3 cars for her. this was a huge reason why i still (but close) haven't SSS elena just yet. minus inverse world, I just haven't used her over s poison. s poison is arguably as important as b zangief bc you need her in events/bosses too (you don't need b zangief here). so wind priority fodder has gone to both, which brings up my point on why I ended up choosing to build viper over guile early on simply bc no fodder availability.
Thanks Vic! Ya her stock has risen quite a bit
Forgive me if you already have, kind of feel like I’ve already seen you post it, but if you haven’t it would be great for you to make a FS priority list for F2P or in general.
Ya all done already ruclips.net/video/slU4cpiotZo/видео.html
when I know I just need that more dps to out damage them clear the round it’s poison and when dps won’t do I go the heal route to stay alive as long as I can and win that way, both great units for there specific jobs
Good way to see it and accurate
Damn, I have street poison and I haven’t used her at all more than Elena! Elena is always my go to, but my street poison is weak with gear and her FS is not as strong, so I should work on her 2. Thanks again PB!
np bro she is a top tier ss unit!
@@PayneBlade Agreed. Street Poison has more versatility than Elena because she heals the entire team and provides larger buffs.
Until FS30, there's no real plausible way to get Street Poison to buff stack right? 6sec is pretty tight even with multiple combo bars thanks to the timer still ticking like normal when the supers/combos/EX initiate.
Her FS20 does allow for 2 stacks
VERY surprised Rose wasn’t part of the conversation
She was at the end lol
@@PayneBlade yeah I commented before I finished the video… my bad
All good bro!
I have Bison SSS and dont know who i should go for in Divination, any idea?
Talk about her for a good minute at the end. Check it out or the character showcase i did on the channel. Very good unit.
@@PayneBlade ye haha i deleted that part. i see her being good but is it worth going for her in Divination or should i go for trendy Cammy insteed? Also tyvm for awnsering so much questions! youre amazing dude
If u plan to take t Cammy to sss and get 6 cars she is a better option but if not then yes to rose. Np!
Piercing shot replaces attacks, but she’s in the 4th spot in the back and doesn’t get to attack tho right?
Correct so u can add her as 3rd as her passive helps keep her alive and can perform it more often or wait till someone dies and she comes in the fight
Aren’t normal attacks stop when ex or a super/skill used?
Yes they are but allowing her to build a bit after 20 second and then unleashing 3 combos or so back to back works decently. I will say they need to redesign her fs30 tho. It's too situational
For s poison’s 3/6 car effect, does it only trigger when when you start the super combo with her? If so, not as useful since we really only use her for combo 1.
Yep only when combo starts with her but tbh there are times if will be just her and bison for example and want to start the combo with her then cause bison does c1 and then her c2 does dmg when it doesn't charm for example on bosses
can you make a video on how to use Spoison FS30 correctly? and also the best team for it since shes not a tag anymore
Ya will try and do that some time
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So should I switch to using spoison as c2 for interrupt over bzangief or use them interchangeably?
Nah bzang is superior still. She is mostly used against units like Mryu who is a single target attack and u can charm their tank
The problem with B.Zang is his speed. It makes him almost mandatory because Street Poison and most main damage dealers are slow.
i was thinking of building two elena one with fighting spirit at +29 and one with a max +30 fighting spirit
Why would u spend so many resources?? That's wild lol
Do you know definitively if the War Dance fighting soul works from the tag spot? I'm assuming it doesn't but I can't say that for sure.
I believe in tag it does but not in assist. I can test later tho. I say this because shelter works from tag
Can you please explain why the idle rewards are inaccurately displayed within the game? I have screen shots to prove it unless there is a viable reason for the disparity.
@payneblade
Hey dude. What do you mean? I mean you have to be more specific lol. There are a lot of issues with the idle part we found but do you mean fighter exp, breakstones, account exp or money?
@@PayneBlade Specifically the breakstone amounts. It never transitions to the appropriate amount when you beat chapters as well as the amounts are never met during the 40 stages.
Ive been using Elena for the moment because she sss 3 stars and 3 cars. I'm trying to get street poison to sss she only ss right now but i have her skill at 20 already for when i sss her for those buffs.
Both are good I just find one more useful than the other based on MOST situations
I sometimes use both
Both are rare in same lineup but if it works in some situations why not
Payne is the only math Professor I need in my life!
Lol no damn calculus or algebra in my class!
@@PayneBlade exactly! You made math fun lol thanks for the great info again!
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So is elenas fs30 even worth doing would u say
Ya for bosses it is
I hit level 40-40 it opened WTF mode Hugo runs at you screen goes red and your troops die lol 😅
Lol if you hit 40-40 I would give u the reins to the channel
Ive had more success dps wise with yang then street poison weird, maybe I just need that fs 30
Fs 20 for her is all that's needed tbh but that's odd cause they give completely different buffs and his is Def inferior
@@PayneBlade probably more crit chance balances it out he also does dmg with his in base
I mean the crit dmg atk and pressure stacking 5xs should do more
I dont see how is Elena a "one trick pony" when she's doing amazing things on every single command. She's super flexible and can cover every hole on your team composition...but if you are "stunning" your way to victory, Poison wins (almost always) because she increases dmg by a lot and that means less retries trying to chain stuns
When comparing C1's Poison is more useful (not in pvp though) and Poison C2 is a trickier to use B.Zang stun so top tier quality.
I haven't tested enough Elenas entry combo move (AoE buff DMG AND Speed) but I think her potential is incredible since Poison gives "only" crit damage and thats RNG dependent (not to talk about the fact that she can RNG double-trigger her C1 making her way better than Elena on damage ASSUMING you end up critting). And also you can use Elena Entry> C2 to get AoE ATK+DEF+Speed+Combo Gauge which is amazing on PVP or any place where you arent going to use stun.
Both of them are safe options to max/main (and you'll end up using both anyways)...the only important thing you forgot to mention (unless i'm wrong and doesnt work like that) is the fact that you can get 100% away with Street Poison just at A rank (0 dupes) because her C1 isnt affected by your raw stats (unlike Elena who heals HP the more HP she has).
S poison gives crit dmg, atk and pressure not just crit dmg in one buff. 30% crit dmg, 15% atk, 15% pressure stackable 5xs. I did mention you only need an A S poison :).
@@PayneBlade My bad then. Poison is nutty ! (pun intented xD)
Haha no worries and good God with the pun lol
I like them both but since I been using Street Poison, I win more fights in Challenges, Supreme Fist, PvP modes and do more damage in boss/raid modes. I still like Elena but Street Poison is better for me.
Agreed
I think the simple explanation is that Street Poison is a damage buffer, while Elena is a healer. Two different roles, although they compete for the same spot. Single team PvE is all about doing 1 - 3 (and rarely 4) interrupts so that the opponents effectively only do auto-attacks and start of game triggers. The way I see it, if Street Poison changes the interrupt breakpoints (i.e. you need one less interrupt with Street Poison versus Elena), then Street Poison is better for that matchup. Otherwise, Elena gives more safety from incidental damage.
Now, if you get fully into the degenerate territory where the opponent's team is > 4x your power level, then timing out is a real concern on top of interrupts. Street Poison obviously has the edge here again.
Anyways, I don't disagree that Street Poison is clearly one tier above Elena, but I'd argue that Elena is more generally useful than Rose or Fashion Sakura.
Lastly, can you check if Street Poison's buff stacks like it's supposed to? I have a FS 20 Street Poison, and even when I save up supers, I see the buff (blue heart icon) at 1-2 stacks. Also, I always have her in my tag position, and I've never seen people use her in the starting lineup (first three), so I do question the usefulness of her cars and FS 30.
Heya so as for fs30 she is actually no longer needed as a tag and can be a 3rd unit as her passive heals here and reduced dmg and after 20 seconds she stacks the buffs to 5 so quickly. I agree that Elena is useful in modes like Inverse world and shadaloo city but honestly I find rose to be better overall still. Fashion Sakura is one tier below her for heals for sure tho. Elena plays a pivotal role on team 2 and 3s.
@@PayneBlade Thanks for the reply. Yeah it would be cool to play around with her FS 30, but boost stones are an expensive resource for me. I still struggle with team comp with putting Street Poison in the starting lineup instead of tag position. Most starting lineups for PvE are Bison, Beast Zangief, and Fashion Blanka/C. Viper/Guile. I guess she could go in the starting lineup for bosses, although I haven't noticed that on the leaderboards.
Do you know if Street Poison's buff stacks like it's supposed to? I have her in tag and even when I save up multiple super bars and unleash them quickly, I never see the buff go over two.
That's what I gotta test more. I thought I have seen it past 2 but I don't know 100% if I imagined it. Gonna see if I can test her 30 more
@@PayneBlade Thanks! To be clear, I have her at FS20, have 1/6 of her cars, and place her in tag position. When I store up a multiple super bars and chain them, I see her C1 applying 1-2 stacks but not increasing on the refreshes.
Did you know that Fashion Blanka's FS20 doesn't even work? He never gives Wildfire stacks to allies. He's one of the most popular units in this game ffs. Strange thing is that it actually works once he reaches FS30. Well, at least the buff shows up visually on allies, but it's getting hard to trust anything with how many bugs are in this game.
How can i awake blanka easily?
Fashion blanka? Either pay to start the 28 day count down or you play until stage 16 as f2p (if I recall) and u collect enough vip points from there and u start the 28 day count down
Yes f blanka , i got today
Ah congrats. Link him to a unit that has high rank that you don't need on your main team and he gets same rank and level
Is she a tomboy or girl?
Trans but doesn't identify as either i believe
@@PayneBlade kinda confused a lil lol when we can use her as (no female allowed) on Dente boss fight
She was an enemy (along with a pallette swap character, Roxy) in one of the old Final Fight games. Nintendo America had all these restrictions at the time and had an issue with her being a woman getting beat up in the game by the player. So, to get around this, they made her biologically male.
Io uso street poison con guile cammy e bison...ma Elena mi batte quasi sempre
They dont consider street poison a female though. Sheesh why a trans character though, reminds me of the Sodom and Gammorah stories.
Poison was always a trans character
@Pedro Nicolau I didn't know. It's cool if she was but I just don't want all the characters I grew up watching ending up with uncontrolled mental health issues. This really isn't the forum for this topic though so that's all I'll say about it up here.
Poison sounds very powerful, but my dislike of the character means I'd always take Elena.
Haha fair enough
Lfggg pb time
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