Tress of the Emerald Sea: Episode 2 of 5 - Brandon's Book Club
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- In this second episode of Brandon's Book Club, our five guests continue their journey through Part 4 of Tress of the Emerald Sea.
We return, once again, to Tress's magical world as she embarks on her next adventure. Each guest dives into the ways that Tress's decisions in the third part have altered the course of her ship, so to speak, and how she develops as a character in the process.
We hope you'll continue to join us for all five episodes as we dive deeper into the mysteries of this realm.
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I'm not sure if you will see this comment, but I just wanted to say that I have started my journey with reading your books. I learnt about you when someone recommended your writing lectures. It seems like really great advice you were giving so it sounded like you probably had something worth reading, and you did! I am just starting out with mistborn and I am nearly through the second book.
I listen to your books as audiobooks and only allow myself to listen while doing housework so that a horrible chore becomes a treat, and if I want to know what happens next I better get folding laundry. Let me just say my house has never been so clean!
Thank you for sharing your writing with us.
You're in for a treat.. nevermind you're in for A LOT of treats
I did see it! A little late, as I've been catching up following my vacation, but I did make it to the thread eventually. Thank you so much for the kind words! Glad to hear I can accompany you on a little housework now and then. :)
One thing I REALLY respect is that (presumably) you told the folks here to be honest. Even when there is valid criticism towards your books, such as the humor, or the tosher story, it appears that they feel comfortable talking about what they didn't like about the book even in your own home.
Thank you for actually encouraging critical discussion over your books! No book is perfect, and dialogue about what didn't work for you as a reader, even if its your favorite book, is extremely important! Its honestly probably what makes you stand out as an author above the rest (aside from your narrative voice and stories).
Tress of the emerald sea would be an AMAZING animated movie/limited series and I believe it with all my heart
It would!
@@merphynapier42 right?? Complete with like a record scratch freeze frame and hoid's voice over comes in like "Yupp that's me"
I'd love this, if I could make it work some day.
@@BrandSanderson If you need an animator (2D &/or 3D) ....... XD or at least let us know which studio will be making this (or ANY of your books, including live action adaptations) so I can go apply for a job there! please thank you hahaha
If ghibli made it 🤯
My favorite moment I think around these parts was getting into the otherworldly ballistics and hints at the other seas. Zephyr sea must be terrifying.
True. Though Zephyr aether is quite handy for space travel...
@Brandon Sanderson go on...
My 9 yr old daughter is reading tress. I read skyward to her last year but this is her first Brandon Sanderson book she picked up and read. She is learning so many new words. I am so happy and thankful Brandon wrote this book.😊
There would not be tides because the moons are not moving in relation to the planet's surface. Well, there would be a slight tide from the star but much less. There would be slight permanent differences in "sea" levels from directly under a moon to directly between two moons along the equator. Sort of like an undulation except they don't move, it's static. It's an unmoving sine wave wrapping around the planet.
You had to use the word 😩
@@merphynapier42 You know it, LOL
Yep you are right. And there is right under the moon an upward slope. Mostly because of the spore fall but tides probably have some effect
@@adhd_projects Yep. My post was already getting long so didn't want to add to the confusion but yes there would likely be squat mounds under each moon from the incoming spores. Sort of like bumps on the peak of each sine wave.
Also, the peaks and troughs (amplitude) of the wave would be greatest at the equator (assuming the moons are around the equator, would be really weird if they weren't) gradually tapering off to zero at the poles. Though I suspect things like wind, liquefaction, etc. would smooth it out to essentially zero way before the poles. The wavelength of the sine wave would be 1/12th of the average circumference of the planet.
And finally, could a physicist chime in on something? I'm wondering if the peaks of the wave actually line up directly under each moon or would the planet's rotation cause them to be offset either ahead of or behind each moon?
Pretty similar to how the waters around New York is described in the reckoners series.
I finally got SP1 2 days ago and love it so far. My wife made me put it down and go to sleep at both nights at midnight 😂 I know there were hiccups in the process of making and shipping it, but thank you, Brandon & Co, for not lessening the quality. It is a stunning book and box, and I am looking forward to the next 3 books even more now. Thank you for inviting us even further into the Cosmere! As a history teacher, I love that I have a place to go that creatively inspires me and resets my brain.
I absolutely adored this story. Thank you for sharing it with us Brandon. Its such a treat to see you really indulge your humor.
It’s so nice to hear another fan pronounce aether the classical way!
On the note of convenient events, I felt the same while reading it, but on thinking about it critically I've decided it's actually one of the keys to achieving that fairytale quality. And think about the stories we all tell, not as authors but as humans - what usually makes a good story that you just have to tell your friends and family? I can almost guarantee you that that sense of convenient coincidence will be at the centre of your story, will be what makes it so compelling and relatable, because we've all had those moments where everything just weirdly aligned in our favour (or against us!)
On the distinct yet intertwining nature of the magic systems within the cosmere and how such systems have never been seen with this level of intricacy: Sanderson is the master of creative problem solving, wielding both logic and creativity like no other fantasy author I've ever read to create systems and systems within systems that follow logical patterns while maintaining unique structure.
The channel called The Lore of The Worlds made a video that depicted the look of the planet. It’s cool.
Ohh i will have to look at that
Oh man, I LOVE Lore of the Worlds. Anyone who loves the Cosmere - check out his channel.
How I read it, it seems like the planet colored like a d12 - giant pentagons of colors. If I remember it right, there was also a couple lines about colors mixing colors at least to some extent.
For the whole book I was waiting for that pewter tankard to come in play with spores, right after I saw how aluminium protects spores...
From the moment I read about roseit for the first time I was thinking about Whitesand and how similar it seem while also clearly being different in a lot of ways. And the fact there's only 12 moons we saw so far and not, like, for example 16, you know?...
That’s for sure how I imagined it too
Except the aethers allegedly predate the shattering, so there’s no reason to assume they would follow the same 16 pattern
@@GoErikTheRed unless that pattern also predates the shattering.
@@adhd_projects if I remember correctly 16 is an arbitrary pattern for the cosmere. Hoid could have taken a shard making the pattern 17, but he was a smart lil immortal. There could be 16 aether's, but if there was that would be unrelated to the 16 shards as the power being split into 16 was an active choice by the original shards, and not a byproduct of the fundamentals laws of the universe
@@LegosSnake I don’t think that’s true. I’m pretty sure that hoid could have taken a shard but didn’t and Ati (maybe odium?) took up the shard he was going to. I think 16 is a natural order like a fractal. 32, 16, 8 and 4. All are important numbers in the cosmere. I think there had to be 16 shards.
Welp. Another great episode I missed seeing live because reasons. Oh well.
People already talked about the lunagrees a bit, so that part's covered. I survived the tosher and was pretty indifferent to it, but the people in my own reading group can attest to that I went crazy over the whole worldbuilding - really too bad that we only got to see some spores and not all of them.
As for talking rats and familiars - Brandon actually said in past WoBs that it's possible to make an animal sapient by infusing it with a lot of Investiture. This gave birth to the Lord Beaver, the Slothquisitors (and catquisitors), and quite possibly a handful of other weird stuff on the 17th Shard.
Also, dragons! Due to my reading process I get to read about the dragon itself next week, that's going to be fun!
I'll go with the experimentation as favourite part, probably, and the King's Mask as least favourite - I appreciate sicerity over giving people false hopes.
It could also be like solubility. Oil and water don't mix well and a fairly defined separation would exist. However, the gravitational pull of the moon on the spores would need to be similar from each moon on the spores to prevent some forced mixing. The spores would also need to be of a similar density to prevent them from layering on top of each other.
The moons to me felt like the Traveller from the game Destiny repeated in a Dodecahedron around the planet (I’m an Audiobook Doug)
Adoooonalsium
Skeptical was the word they were looking for
When I imagine the planet I just think of a 12 sided die with different colored sides.
I like this analogy. I just also need to figure out in my mind how 12 moons also hang there lol
I think Crow knew Tress had spied on her because Tress forgot to close the journal. Hoid mentions Crow close the journal, mentions the midnight essence open the journal, but the essence doesn’t close the journal before it dissipates
I very strongly feel that the 'anachronistic' terms that get used by Hoid is because of his planet of origin.. to phrase it in a less cosmere spoilery way
There is a comment in the book about the seas being shaped like pentagons. So if you google a 12 pentagon sphere, it gives you an idea for what the planet would look like
Hoid would be writing using connection. Meaning he would write in language we understand.
Does Crow's special condition give her superhuman strength? Because if not, it would be really easy for the crew to kill her. Just overpower her, and lock her into a room with no access to water. I bet she'd die of thirst a lot faster then normal people.
Logically that does seem true, but she kicked their butts without using her powers the one time they sort of tried. And it would have to be basically wrestling, any actual weapons and her spores would parry.
When is this coming out in the UK and Europe? I seem to not be able to get a hold of it anywhere
On a side note, I need forgiveness for how jealous I am of that library.
I read Tress before moat of the Cosmere (read Elantris, the first Mistborn, and Warbreakt 15 years ago, only read the rest since Tress arrived), so it didn’t feel "non-Cosmere" to me, sicne it is a fundamental Cosmere text to me.
Doug
I know I shouldn’t take Bookborn not liking the Tosher chapter personally, but I do.
That chapter is terrible 🤣
I’m confused about the geosynchronous moons. For something to be geosynchronous it needs to be along the equatorial plane and it needs to orbit the planet at the same rate as the planet spins. But the moons are not on the equatorial plane meaning they can’t all be geo synchronous. At least not in the traditional sense. I just chalk it up to magic but real orbital mechanics don’t work this way.
If memory serves, the orbit they meant is geostationary, which is oof a lot faster and harder to establish irl.
I'm wondering if maybe adding some sort of repulsion factor between the moons would allow this to happen. Probably the least 'magicky' way of explaining it
Yeah, as I understand it, there's literally no way to make it work with "our science". You have to add a _large_ sprinkle of magic to make it work at all.
Like where salt and freshwater meet
Yes!! Exactly! That’s how Brandon has described it since.
@@adhd_projects well now I feel brilliant, because I hadn't seen that 😅 thanks!
@@MKTraxel stay tuned in the book club 😉
Once again can't watch yet. I Will watch this once I have read the book. I will read this once I receive the book.. I don't like ebooks and would have ordered the hardcover version only had it been available. But there's nothing to be done except wait I guess.
@Merphy - that looked like a paperback you were opening. Was it?
It was a hard cover 😊
sure would love to get my book and participate in this book club.
So many dougs.
My daughter has a couple of rats. I'm not happy about it, but she's doing a good job taking care of them. So... bonus?
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who found the humor grating. I nearly DNF'ed the book purely because of the humor
What did I miss, what are they talking about ?
Brandon’s newest book Tress of the Emerald Sea
@@adhd_projects haha it was in the title and I still managed to miss it.
@@joshuaizly5502 always happy to help
I challenge anyone to take a drink each time "like" was said.
Better hope no one takes you up on that. I'm not sure exactly what the right charge is, but it's got to be illegal to incite people to do something that's lethal.
Water is a drink.
@@isaacentrikin5582 You can die from drinking too much water. See: water intoxication
i thought it couldn't get more mormon
i was wrong
huh
I'd be interested to know why you say that. Are any of these people even Mormons? I mean, I don't know much about any of them, but I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think they are. Admittedly, I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think they aren't, either. But given that the group consists mostly of people who have RUclips channels related in some way to the content of the book it would be amazing if they all just happened to be Mormons, and I doubt seriously that whoever set this up was trying to restrict it to Mormons.
@@hkpew just poking a little fun at the whiteness in the room
@@feyn5869 Ah, you were using Mormon == white. Your comment vaguely makes sense now! If you squint. :)
I know everyone is sycophantic over Sanderson, but this is pretty cringe. A bunch of random people talking absolute ass in 5(!) parts. Video's gonna be nearly longer than the book. Tress was mid at best and in no way deserving of this awkward "deep dive."
You seem fun
@@ElijahStormblessed Sorry I'm not joining the circle jerk. I'd rather have my own opinion than be a simp.
@@frenchbaguetteoui lol I guess an opinion isn't real unless it's an unpopular opinion now?
@@ElijahStormblessed I never said that. You're the one who got upset by my opinion. Stop being bizarre and go away.
Good news, you don’t have to watch it!