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@GregSalazar it’s quite possible the pci lanes are pushing to much voltage through to the cpu over loading it hence no post with a 2 pci cards inserted may be just a thought
Did you try the lower pci-e slot for the gpu, could be just the upper slot is bad. Although gigabyte has been making trash lately, almost a asrock2.0 nowadays
Thank you so much for fixing my system Greg! PC is working perfectly (I'm typing this on it right now), and seeing you troubleshooting it was really cool! Thanks again.
A few of you have suggested that a BIOS update might fix this issue. I found that the behaviors exhibited didn't point to an issue with the UEFI, though who really knows with Secure Boot enabled. We reset the board a few times in this video and the same slotting issue occurred. I may follow up in a later video!
I had an odd t-shoot once when building a ryzen 3600 with b450 board it would only post while the board / system is parallel on the my bed with a gpu. when i put it in case on floor standing vertically it wouldn't post. So while I had it posted on bed flat I updated the bios and then afterwards works normally in case on floor.
yeah reflash bios and might need to manually load defaults. just zeroing cmos doesn't always do that, oddly enough. some computers dont actually have battery backed CMOS anymore but stores settings in flash. so shorting the pins actually loads a "zeroing" program. learned that the hard way with a UEFI laptop. no way to reset non-booting setting. had to reflash bios with hw flasher and that loaded the same backed up settings. battery is just for RTC nowadays.
@@Gunfart01 We checked this early on. Apologies if it wasn't included in the video. Can't remember. Filmed this a few weeks ago. Sometimes I get so caught up in the testing that I forget to hit record.
It's a sexy board. Nice blacked out tower cooler would be the chef's kiss. I really want one for my next build. Would look amazing with my Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3.
A lot of Gigabyte boards have a setting in bios to specify integrated graphics or PCIE. If your using a CPU with no IGP, and the bios is set to IGP when CMOS is cleared, then it would boot loop because it is not detecting the GP
I second this,. My gigabyte board defaults to IGPU when cmos is cleared. Kinda annoying because it requires an IGPU to get into bios. But then it raises the question of how was it working before the issue?
@@issanesheiwat1396 Maybe he set it while looking through the BIOS after building the system and forgot to check again when the problem occurred. Who knows. Worth trying again if a future video will be made.
That's such a weird thing for it to do; you'd THINK that board makers would go "oh, if the user has a discrete card in, then in the BIOS we'll have it auto-select that card" but, eh...
I though that too as well, but usually these kind of settings are set to "Auto" by default on new-ish m/bs now, so I assume this isn't the case here because they've already did clear cmos multiple times. It's more than likely that it's the CSM and tPM settings that messed up the bios which needs to be reflashed. tPM essentially creates cryptographic keys for the specific specs of the system on hardware level, so something might have fallen off. Or it's as simply as crap bios, Auto means iGP first, no no no won't see a dGPU > change Auto to fixed dGPU, oh hey dGPU you say? Cool.😋
Shipping a PC via UPS from FL to the UK was going to cost over $700. Granted, the box weighed about 47lbs. That gives some perspective as to the high cost of shipping internationally. Not to mention any import taxes once it gets through customs.
I had the same issue when I added a graphics card to my system when I was running off the integrated graphics. I had to remove the graphics card and go into the bios and disable the integrated graphics. I then added my card and my system started up fine. Same thing happened when I enabled fTPM and secure boot for Windows 11. For some reason the Bios re enabled the integrated graphics on the CPU and started boot looping again. So again removed the graphics card, disable the integrated graphics setting, and then placing the card back and boom working again.
@@Jsteeeez True, but it's still a setting worth looking into. Edit: Also Greg had the same issue when he installed his CPU with integrated graphics and he placed the graphics card in.
if that doesn't work, it will end up with no graphics at all and have to clear cmos or flash it again. but yeah, that is worth trying and also expecting to see him try that along the video but he didn't. so that owner is somewhat lucky.
I've worked in IT for over 30 years and when you troubleshoot, you are simply narrowing down the possibilities and different sets of symptoms may have multiple possible causes. Also, as you narrow down the possible issues, the symptom set changes. So, when you mention you were "wrong" or "made a mistake" it doesn't seem that way to me. As you troubleshoot you can go off in different directions at different time. Even if structured, it can be a bit of a process of choosing the "most likely" reason for a failure when no one reason is really clearly the case. That is why it's a skill one has to learn. I think you do a great job.
I was immediately thinking motherboard or BIOS. I'm still not convinced it's not a BIOS problem. I'd at least update the BIOS and see if that fixes it. If not, I'd have a quick look through the settings as well. You could have a perfectly fine replacement board for a future Fix or Flop episode :)
Man after watching all the episodes I feel more confident now to diagnose and fix my computer problems. Thanks Greg I really appreciate the videos you always make.
I want to assume that his bios messed up itself and needs an update after the windows 11 install and the secure boot enabling. Maybe give a shot at that with the 10900k. Glad to see the issue resolved and it isn't the gpu, the nzxt board looks invisible in that case.
@@GregSalazar I have fixed a computer today with this EXACT issue (not POSTing after Secure Boot/fTPM turned on). I have fixed it by flashing the same (you can do newer) BIOS with BIOS Flashback. If the board works with the 10900K, flash it with the 10900K in, and it should work again!
I’m glad I watch these series. Recently I had my younger brothers pc just black screen, so I had him reseat memory. Booted AND posted perfectly fine. He inserted the second dim, another black screen, so he did the reciprocal again and boot fine. So, for the sake of testing, we took the second dim and inserted into the first dim slot and exerted the dim that posted fine. And low and behold, a black screen. Never did I think ram would someone sort or die out of nowhere. Good thing I had the same kit on hand so his hardware was inferior than before. It was G. skills ripjaws, 16gb, 3600MHz kit
Greg, I just love your videos! Found you a week ago and I can't stop watching! I've been building my own gaming rigs for many years now and feel I'm pretty good at it. I started building and upgrading so I could play combat flight sims, with my goal to always have the highest frame rates possible, or that I could afford! I've always overclocked my CPUs and GPUs, and have never bricked one yet. (Knocking on the side of my head) Your approach to the dead rigs is so great, and I learn something new on every one of your episodes. I also love your distaste for dirty dusty rigs, and bad cable management. You inspired me to finally buy a small PC vacuum which will arrive today. I dust my rig down at least once a month, and I realized watching your videos how much easier it will be with one of these cool little vacuum. Thank You!!!! BTW, the link to the vacuum you use is no longer working.
Glad another positive result from this came about. I was hoping the wifi card removal would have fixes the problem due to too many cards connected. Can we donate to the fix or flop fund to get a nicer air cooler for this viewer haha? Even a simple Cooler Master would help those temps!
I had this issue when I updated audio drivers as got no sound and then got no post. Thanks to Greg and his fix or flop series for helping me troubleshoot and figure out it was the board. I decided to upgrade myself to an i5 12400f as the nzxt n5 z690 is on a crazy deal on Amazon. Had to get 3 boards to fix my issue as the first replacement board worked for a week or so and then I updated audio and it stopped, the second replacement board worked for about 4 times and then stopped randomly so I checked connections and left the bios battery out for 24hours (forgot I took battery out) with no power and it worked but I got no usb power or data so I got a new board the final one which I'm rocking now. Wouldn't have a working pc if it weren't for Greg and his fox or flop series
I really respect that you keep your "mistakes" in the video. They aren't really mistakes, but rather the steps you take, right or wrong. It's all apart of the process and helps others learn more. Thanks for another great video.
This, just throw everything out that's not needed for a post. When it posts work your way trough adding every part one by one. It's troubleshooting 101. If it doesn't post with another CPU and/or any other video out it's either the BIOS or the board. This case it's a corrupted BIOS imo. We all have the same idea: Never trust anyone that says they tested something. Even with a video showing him going trough the stuff we still want to have our own hands on it before we agree it's a dead end.
First rule when investigating a non-posting system. Pull the board out of the case and test it on a cardboard box with only the required devices connected. The number of issues and headaches that can be avoided by just pulling the thing out of the case is astounding.
Hey Greg: is there any chance that by default when the CMOS is clear that the graphics is set to onboard graphics and not discrete and that when it doesn't find onboard graphics instead of going to discreet graphics it just boot loops?
I think one thing that tipped it off for me that it was the MOBO, and potentially the BIOs, is that even though the intel cooler is bad, the 10900k shouldn't have been at 90C. I was thinking before that, it was a potential short to or at the PCIE slots. But something seemed off about the high temps. Also something I learned while in the military when somebody says they did something, "Trust, but verify." Meaning even though somebody said they did something, always inspect it just to make sure. So I feel your need to make sure the CMOS was cleared and that it indeed was tried.
Hey Greg. Just wanna say that your videos are awesome and giving me a lot of inspiration to work on my builds. I just built my new computer and did a deep clean on my older computer and that was satisfying. Please keep making these great videos for us to get more knowledge and satisfaction. :P
I've run into this before. The last time I did, the problem was that enabling Secure Boot also disabled support for legacy PCIe components, which in included the graphics card model, which had been around a few years longer than the motherboard. In my case, Secure Boot wasn't critical, so I simply turned it back off. If that's not an option for you, then look through the BIOS to see if there's a separate option for supporting legacy components. It's possible that such a setting is ignored when Secure Boot is off, which would explain why it wasn't a problem before.
@@tyleyden8695, or maybe my comment just wasn't helpful in this case. If there's one thing I've learned from 30+ years of experience in IT, it's that there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all solution. I merely posted what worked for me in hopes that it helps someone else out. If it helps Greg or a viewer out, great! If not, then nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Mr Salazar i love to see your Broken Pc and deep cleaning videos and when u upgrade it with a pc case it look you have given it a new life. Thanks for making such videos.
Not sure if the board has that feature, but perhaps since the user had secure boot disabled they also had legacy boot enabled instead of UEFI with the defaults going back to UEFI.
really enjoyed this series from Greg, all the troubleshooting plus the fact Greg doesnt charge the owner but get compensation from ads and sponsers, this makes the series win-win-win, for the owner, for Greg, for us viewers, damn even a win for the sponsers
2:59 into the video, ran into the same thing on a NEW build, Bricked the bios and a flashed bios fixed everything (might redo windows) gonna watch and see if im right
update, watched it. You didn't try flashing the bios on the mobo! Would love to see you try it so we could learn about it and seeing if it fixed it. Love the videos and love thinking along to see if i can figure out the issue before you do like a game.
I bet yours's is pristine compared to some of the ones I deal with at work. We have a room with vats of hot oil and molten salt... think something like commercial fryers only a bigger and in the case of the salt MUCH hotter. The oil and salt mist mixed with dust and gets inside our computers. And guess who takes care of the computers!
This scratches a very specific itch for me. I love fiddling and troubleshooting hardware. Instant follow once I saw how long that fix or flop Playlist is
I've had broken PCIe slots start working again by cleaning them. Remove power cables from the motherboard first. Take some thick nogloss white printer paper and fold it over enough times so it's thick enough to enter the slot with some resistance. Also make sure to fold the paper so that leading edge will not exposed on the part that will be inserted into the slot, you want a smooth edge like a spine of a small magazine or pamphlet. Make a few pieces of paper like this so you aren't using the same bit of paper more than once. Then grab a paper and quickly spray it with a few bursts of electronic contact cleaner. Then insert the paper directly into the slot and out again like a card would go in and out, do not move down the length this may leave shredded paper in the slot or bend a pin. You will notice the paper come out dirty if there is dust or corrosion in the slot, it's easy to see on white paper. I revived an old P35 board with a Core 2 Duo a couple times this way when the graphics card wasn't being recognized.
I loved the hypothesis explanation. At that moment you reminded me of the Sherlock Holmes quote which holds so true in PC repair. "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
Hey Greg, great content I love these videos, I'm a level one tech at a small town computer shop so I love seeing how different issues display in different scenarios so these videos are super helpful.
Hey Greg, great job on this! Did you notice the CPU temp dropped from around 90*C on the original motherboard, down to 38*C with the replacement motherboard? Considering the CPU and cooler were the same, I think there was some kind of voltage issue on the old motherboard which might have resulted from a short (maybe a blown capacitor?).
Gigabyte boards use "dual bios". During the bios flash procedure, there's an option to flash update both the main bios as well as the backup bios. Believe it or not, there can be cross-talk between the main & backup bios. If those two bios version are not identical, there may be some kind of "hickup". So: try re-flashing the bios firmware and select both the main & backup bios for updating. Also: before the bios flash, select "optimized default bios settings" then re-boot.
I just have to say. I’m new to this channel but I’m loving your content. I’m a big pc gamer and have been wanting to really get into learning how to build. I’ve had a hard time financially due to troubles with getting a job during this time. You are really giving me light into inspiring me to do more and learn more about this and maybe think of a better future towards doing so. So I say thank you and look forward to seeing more videos.
Greg, I wonder if updating the BIOS or disabling secure boot would have had any effect. Best description I found to summarize this problem is "PC won't boot when having the GPU connected after enabling Secure Boot". You did a solid job troubleshooting this issue. Thank you for producing this video.
Greg I've recently come across your content and I've binge watched so much. You're a great PC enthusiast and a great person to watch. Keep up the great work!!
I love these, I try to see if I know what the problem is before you find it, I am an IT guy for my day job. Sometimes I get it figured out at the start (like with the guy that had a bad PSU) others I see something new I hadn't come across before. I like this kind of content, I hope to see lots more episodes
I build machines not far from you in Winter Haven and love diagnosing these issues with you to see if I can find the problem also, lol This along with your new deep cleaning segment are great! I have been watching you from the start of Science Studio days.
I've posted below the last video that my mainboard of an old gaming rig was broken. Even an IT repair guy didn't know what the issue was. Today I found it out: One single pin of the intel socket was bent less than half a millimeter. I fixed that and now it's working again. Just wanted to let people know who posted below my comment last time. :D Btw. nice video Greg as always. Love that series! Also I was kinda confused that you put the old CPU back in @11:30 already, I'd have switched from no GPU to your own GPU just in case it might not be the GPU but maybe PCI / motherboard issue and so it was. :D The motherboard is btw. kinda overkill for that pc build. The viewer is really lucky!
Thanks, I used your videos to build my latest computer. I did have a false start though when I tried to build with an Aorus B450 MB with a Ryzen 7 5000G which maybe if I had a compatible CPU and a GPU I could've flashed the bios to make Ryzen 7 work. In the end I did a return and bought another MB a Strix B550 which worked like a champ with my Ryzen 7 5000G. I put a Low-profile NH-L9a-AM4 Noctura cooler on my CPU, 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz Vengeance ram, 2 M2. ssds 1 TB each and a 2 TB ssd (4 TB total) and two 120 mm fans below and two 120mm fans above in a push/pull configuration. I chose the 5000G because I don't have the money to buy a GPU right now and the 5000G has Radeon integrated graphics on chip. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Nice video as always. A couple things you should’ve tried though: First, (and maybe you did off camera) cleaning the pcie slots and second, updating the bios. Most likely the update won’t fix it but you never know, maybe a sector of the bios got corrupted or something.
I'd tried so many things by the time I called it quits and swapped the boards. Also, we tried multiple slots in the video. Highly, highly doubt both full-length slots were clogged. But anyway, the slot was fine. Got a great look once I removed it from the case and closely examined it.
From watching videos like this i finally went into my Prebuilt and started messing around with things. Changed a PSU but to do that i had to take the cpu fan off since it was a AiO. Just alot of small things that i wouldnt have done without seeing people like you always doing it.
Greg, the issue was Secure Boot and I fear more people can have this issue was well and think they need a new board because they though they just brick it. I had the same issue with a MSI Z490 board and Intel i9 10900K. It seems that the Secure Boot and TPM features are buggy in Z490 and B460 boards or maybe it is the 10th gen processors. This is what I need to fix it. -Unplug PC then Disconnect the GPU and connect display cable (HDMI, Display Port, etc.) directly to the motherboard. -While the PC is on with the Black Screen, Reset BIOS. This will force the MOBO to reset. -When you get to BIOS, go to Advance Features and Disable TPM (if it's on) -Locate Secure Boot and Enable it. Switch from Standard to CUSTOM. Then in the same Secure Boot page look for the option to CLEAR or DELETE Keys. -After you cleared/deleted the keys Disable Secure Boot -Save and Exit. (IMPORTANT!) Make sure you boot into Windows BEFORE shutting the PC completely off. -Once your computer is off, proceed to safely connect the GPU (and I mean turn your PSU off or unplug it) -After that your PC should be working normally More things to note. -If you have Windows 11 installed already, try to reset back into Windows 10. Borrow another PC and create a bootable Win10 USB. -If your goal is to have Windows 11, the bad news is that you have to buy a TPM 2.0 module and your MOBO has to support it. TPM 2.0 modules became expensive after Windows 11 was released. To Properly set up secure boot and TPM to install Win11 on B460 boards and Z490 boards you have to: -Make sure your board has a port for a TPM module and you have the latest BIOS version installed. (Make sure BIOS version says Windows 11 supported) -Purchase the appropriate TPM 2.0 module for your board. -Install TPM 2.0 Module -Boot into BIOS and then follow this order. -First Enable TPM and switch to dTPM (DO NOT LEAVE IN PTT) -Save & Exit. Boot into Windows -Reboot back into BIOS again -Now locate and enable Secure Boot (Standard) -Save & Exit. Everything should work properly and you should be able to install Win11. I hope Greg sees this and makes a video. It will be an interesting if he explores this in a video and also be helpful to people that are having the same issue.
I think this video was great because it shows what we need to do when we find out hypothesis is wrong--keep testing and trying to figure out what other hypothesis does makes sense and fits all the facts.
Oooh, it's a P300 case just like my mesh version :) Also for aesthetics I'd black out the GPU end plate and that Intel sticker even with a felt-tip pen
Great series! I'm enjoying a lot. I usually use the good old speaker to help troubleshoot, and take out the battery to clear CMOS (faster and easier to find :D ).
This ones a tricky one, glad you were able to find the REAL issue. I bet you a bunch of shops would just say its the CPU or the Graphics card and call it a day
Hi Greg! I just watched this video. Though I am not sure if you have already resolved the issue of that motherboard. But have you tried removing the CMOS battery to reset the motherboard to its factory settings? But before doing that, the latest BIOS update specifically for that motherboard should be ready on standby. I remembered you mentioning that the owner only experienced the trouble after applying setting that has something to do with secure boot(or TPM setting perhaps). The motherboard's BIOS has to be updated to its most recent board-specific update the moment it boots up normally again. Restart and load its optimal settings, before enabling PTT or TPM for secure boot to be ready for Windows 11. It can be worth the try!
This may be off topic, but would u consider offering a build series. For let's say beginners, I only ask this because it's been almost 2 decades since I built pc's and a lot has changed. since dial-up, lol. But something has sparked my interest once again, and we'll you yt channel had pulled me back in. I thank u for that!
Greg! I wanted to thank you for pc fixing vids i absolutly loved them ive wathed all of them Idk why just enjoying The way you are explaining you are making it very interesting
That build looks clean except for that dang team blue cpu cooler. Love your channel. I’ve always been a tech guy. I built my first PC for my nephew then my own not to long ago. It was perfect both times. I was confident going into my first built because of years of watching channels like yours. Keep it up!!!
I would try updating the bios when you're able to post into it, it would at the very least reset whatever jankiness that it might be afflicted with. Worth a shot, anyway.
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@GregSalazar it’s quite possible the pci lanes are pushing to much voltage through to the cpu over loading it hence no post with a 2 pci cards inserted may be just a thought
Do you consider Tampa local? I don’t have anything wrong with my pc but was just wondering
Did you try the lower pci-e slot for the gpu, could be just the upper slot is bad. Although gigabyte has been making trash lately, almost a asrock2.0 nowadays
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Thank you so much for fixing my system Greg! PC is working perfectly (I'm typing this on it right now), and seeing you troubleshooting it was really cool! Thanks again.
A few of you have suggested that a BIOS update might fix this issue. I found that the behaviors exhibited didn't point to an issue with the UEFI, though who really knows with Secure Boot enabled. We reset the board a few times in this video and the same slotting issue occurred. I may follow up in a later video!
I had an odd t-shoot once when building a ryzen 3600 with b450 board it would only post while the board / system is parallel on the my bed with a gpu. when i put it in case on floor standing vertically it wouldn't post. So while I had it posted on bed flat I updated the bios and then afterwards works normally in case on floor.
I had the same issue and fixed it by using only one stick of memory to boot it up.
yeah reflash bios and might need to manually load defaults. just zeroing cmos doesn't always do that, oddly enough.
some computers dont actually have battery backed CMOS anymore but stores settings in flash. so shorting the pins actually loads a "zeroing" program. learned that the hard way with a UEFI laptop. no way to reset non-booting setting. had to reflash bios with hw flasher and that loaded the same backed up settings.
battery is just for RTC nowadays.
@@Gunfart01 We checked this early on. Apologies if it wasn't included in the video. Can't remember. Filmed this a few weeks ago. Sometimes I get so caught up in the testing that I forget to hit record.
Updating the bios was a suggestion which I was going to say too :D
That NZXT board actually looks really good in that case.
It really does.
totally! the intel stock cooler really murders the aesthetics tho
It's a sexy board. Nice blacked out tower cooler would be the chef's kiss. I really want one for my next build. Would look amazing with my Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3.
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A lot of Gigabyte boards have a setting in bios to specify integrated graphics or PCIE. If your using a CPU with no IGP, and the bios is set to IGP when CMOS is cleared, then it would boot loop because it is not detecting the GP
I second this,. My gigabyte board defaults to IGPU when cmos is cleared. Kinda annoying because it requires an IGPU to get into bios. But then it raises the question of how was it working before the issue?
@@issanesheiwat1396 Maybe he set it while looking through the BIOS after building the system and forgot to check again when the problem occurred. Who knows. Worth trying again if a future video will be made.
That's such a weird thing for it to do; you'd THINK that board makers would go "oh, if the user has a discrete card in, then in the BIOS we'll have it auto-select that card" but, eh...
@@PCFixer it's an ideal put in place back when motherboards had integrated graphics, and would have to be turned off for the discrete graphics to work
I though that too as well, but usually these kind of settings are set to "Auto" by default on new-ish m/bs now, so I assume this isn't the case here because they've already did clear cmos multiple times. It's more than likely that it's the CSM and tPM settings that messed up the bios which needs to be reflashed. tPM essentially creates cryptographic keys for the specific specs of the system on hardware level, so something might have fallen off. Or it's as simply as crap bios, Auto means iGP first, no no no won't see a dGPU > change Auto to fixed dGPU, oh hey dGPU you say? Cool.😋
Greg really pulled a “Please, Mr. Salazar is my father” on us.
He just doesn't want to feel old yet, which I totally get.
@@matasa7463 hes 27... not old at all
@@ifwcarson Yeah but he has kids already.
He's a 27 year old that feels like he's 37, and wants his youth back lol. Kids age you man.
Shipping a PC via UPS from FL to the UK was going to cost over $700. Granted, the box weighed about 47lbs. That gives some perspective as to the high cost of shipping internationally. Not to mention any import taxes once it gets through customs.
Just blend it first
and theres no guarente that customs wont trash it.. ive seen alot of expensiive water ccooled builds trashed
and its with UPS
hi Greg im new to the channel, love the series, as a 1st time pc builder im learning alot.
Welcome aboard!
this is currently my favorite series on RUclips , love it. I live 2 hours from Orlando so if I got any problems I know where to go
I had the same issue when I added a graphics card to my system when I was running off the integrated graphics. I had to remove the graphics card and go into the bios and disable the integrated graphics. I then added my card and my system started up fine. Same thing happened when I enabled fTPM and secure boot for Windows 11. For some reason the Bios re enabled the integrated graphics on the CPU and started boot looping again. So again removed the graphics card, disable the integrated graphics setting, and then placing the card back and boom working again.
The cpu in this build doesn’t have integrated graphics so that wasn’t the issue
@@Jsteeeez True, but it's still a setting worth looking into.
Edit: Also Greg had the same issue when he installed his CPU with integrated graphics and he placed the graphics card in.
if that doesn't work, it will end up with no graphics at all and have to clear cmos or flash it again. but yeah, that is worth trying and also expecting to see him try that along the video but he didn't. so that owner is somewhat lucky.
I love watching these Fix or Flop videos. Keep them coming and keep up the great work, Greg!
Yes sir! Thank you!
This board/CPU + this cooler looks (LOOKS, not feels/works) like cooling a nuclear reactor with a hair dryer. One Noctua will just complete the look.
a hyper 212 black edition would make this pc look so much better
I've worked in IT for over 30 years and when you troubleshoot, you are simply narrowing down the possibilities and different sets of symptoms may have multiple possible causes. Also, as you narrow down the possible issues, the symptom set changes. So, when you mention you were "wrong" or "made a mistake" it doesn't seem that way to me. As you troubleshoot you can go off in different directions at different time. Even if structured, it can be a bit of a process of choosing the "most likely" reason for a failure when no one reason is really clearly the case. That is why it's a skill one has to learn. I think you do a great job.
I was immediately thinking motherboard or BIOS. I'm still not convinced it's not a BIOS problem. I'd at least update the BIOS and see if that fixes it. If not, I'd have a quick look through the settings as well. You could have a perfectly fine replacement board for a future Fix or Flop episode :)
Agreed, that was my take too. The PC owner even said he was making changes to the BIOS (setting up secure boot) when the failure occurred.
@@DonMachado Exactly. I hope @Greg Salazar will test a Bios-Update some time later.
Yup I would have commented this but you beat me to it
Considering your track record with bad CPU's on this series... the CPU wasn't the longshot it would normally be.
I love this series.
It's like watching a detective series. Instead of "who done it", it's "what done it".
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Man after watching all the episodes I feel more confident now to diagnose and fix my computer problems. Thanks Greg I really appreciate the videos you always make.
I really like that NZXT bios screen. Simple, clean, and no edgy design motifs.
I want to assume that his bios messed up itself and needs an update after the windows 11 install and the secure boot enabling. Maybe give a shot at that with the 10900k. Glad to see the issue resolved and it isn't the gpu, the nzxt board looks invisible in that case.
I think that manufacturer need to watch this and to make new bios version,iam sure that new bios would solve problem :)
@@mccalejk2 If the wrong BIOS was flashed, then how were we able to get into it through the iGP?
@@GregSalazar some BIOS are very similar and can work on different motherboards if the verification process failed. Just a guess mind.
@@GregSalazar I have fixed a computer today with this EXACT issue (not POSTing after Secure Boot/fTPM turned on). I have fixed it by flashing the same (you can do newer) BIOS with BIOS Flashback. If the board works with the 10900K, flash it with the 10900K in, and it should work again!
@@gaucovyaero yeah it could be a corrupted bios that gets fixed once freshly flashed
Anyone else that "(I need some Chicken Nuggets)..." on the cations at 11:46? I had to go back a few times to see it and laugh at it.
new to the pc world and to the channel as well . finished binge watching old episodes and here we are again to another knowledge. thanks greg
I’m glad I watch these series. Recently I had my younger brothers pc just black screen, so I had him reseat memory. Booted AND posted perfectly fine. He inserted the second dim, another black screen, so he did the reciprocal again and boot fine. So, for the sake of testing, we took the second dim and inserted into the first dim slot and exerted the dim that posted fine. And low and behold, a black screen. Never did I think ram would someone sort or die out of nowhere. Good thing I had the same kit on hand so his hardware was inferior than before. It was G. skills ripjaws, 16gb, 3600MHz kit
Greg, I just love your videos! Found you a week ago and I can't stop watching! I've been building my own gaming rigs for many years now and feel I'm pretty good at it. I started building and upgrading so I could play combat flight sims, with my goal to always have the highest frame rates possible, or that I could afford! I've always overclocked my CPUs and GPUs, and have never bricked one yet. (Knocking on the side of my head) Your approach to the dead rigs is so great, and I learn something new on every one of your episodes. I also love your distaste for dirty dusty rigs, and bad cable management. You inspired me to finally buy a small PC vacuum which will arrive today. I dust my rig down at least once a month, and I realized watching your videos how much easier it will be with one of these cool little vacuum. Thank You!!!!
BTW, the link to the vacuum you use is no longer working.
I really like that NZXT board. Looks so clean in there.
I really enjoy the way you are approaching these videos. Setting an example on how how to try, and verify, when troubleshooting.
Glad another positive result from this came about. I was hoping the wifi card removal would have fixes the problem due to too many cards connected. Can we donate to the fix or flop fund to get a nicer air cooler for this viewer haha? Even a simple Cooler Master would help those temps!
I had this issue when I updated audio drivers as got no sound and then got no post. Thanks to Greg and his fix or flop series for helping me troubleshoot and figure out it was the board. I decided to upgrade myself to an i5 12400f as the nzxt n5 z690 is on a crazy deal on Amazon. Had to get 3 boards to fix my issue as the first replacement board worked for a week or so and then I updated audio and it stopped, the second replacement board worked for about 4 times and then stopped randomly so I checked connections and left the bios battery out for 24hours (forgot I took battery out) with no power and it worked but I got no usb power or data so I got a new board the final one which I'm rocking now. Wouldn't have a working pc if it weren't for Greg and his fox or flop series
the owner totally needs a Be Quiet Dark Rock Slim in there,
it would look so Clean! that Matt black look with RGB accents
I really respect that you keep your "mistakes" in the video. They aren't really mistakes, but rather the steps you take, right or wrong. It's all apart of the process and helps others learn more. Thanks for another great video.
First rule: reset cmos, second rule: disconnect everything.
This, just throw everything out that's not needed for a post. When it posts work your way trough adding every part one by one. It's troubleshooting 101.
If it doesn't post with another CPU and/or any other video out it's either the BIOS or the board. This case it's a corrupted BIOS imo.
We all have the same idea: Never trust anyone that says they tested something. Even with a video showing him going trough the stuff we still want to have our own hands on it before we agree it's a dead end.
BTW, when there no sign of life unplug 8pin connector instead of removing/changing cpu, this will bypass the cpu.
Yeah, but that includes any WiFi-cards that may or may not be connected 😛
First rule when investigating a non-posting system. Pull the board out of the case and test it on a cardboard box with only the required devices connected.
The number of issues and headaches that can be avoided by just pulling the thing out of the case is astounding.
"Keep on testing."
GLADoS would be proud of you. Great vid! Learned a lot. I also thought it was the WiFi card causing problems.
Hey Greg: is there any chance that by default when the CMOS is clear that the graphics is set to onboard graphics and not discrete and that when it doesn't find onboard graphics instead of going to discreet graphics it just boot loops?
You gotta love computers. They'll make you look like a fool until you figure out the puzzle....then you're a genius. Another great video Greg.
I think one thing that tipped it off for me that it was the MOBO, and potentially the BIOs, is that even though the intel cooler is bad, the 10900k shouldn't have been at 90C. I was thinking before that, it was a potential short to or at the PCIE slots. But something seemed off about the high temps.
Also something I learned while in the military when somebody says they did something, "Trust, but verify." Meaning even though somebody said they did something, always inspect it just to make sure. So I feel your need to make sure the CMOS was cleared and that it indeed was tried.
Hey Greg.
Just wanna say that your videos are awesome and giving me a lot of inspiration to work on my builds.
I just built my new computer and did a deep clean on my older computer and that was satisfying.
Please keep making these great videos for us to get more knowledge and satisfaction.
:P
I've run into this before. The last time I did, the problem was that enabling Secure Boot also disabled support for legacy PCIe components, which in included the graphics card model, which had been around a few years longer than the motherboard. In my case, Secure Boot wasn't critical, so I simply turned it back off. If that's not an option for you, then look through the BIOS to see if there's a separate option for supporting legacy components. It's possible that such a setting is ignored when Secure Boot is off, which would explain why it wasn't a problem before.
I'm assuming your comment didnt get a ❤ because Greg's kicking himself in the ass after reading it. 🤣
@@tyleyden8695, or maybe my comment just wasn't helpful in this case. If there's one thing I've learned from 30+ years of experience in IT, it's that there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all solution. I merely posted what worked for me in hopes that it helps someone else out. If it helps Greg or a viewer out, great! If not, then nothing ventured, nothing gained.
@@mar4kl well I appreciated the input
Mr Salazar i love to see your Broken Pc and deep cleaning videos and when u upgrade it with a pc case it look you have given it a new life.
Thanks for making such videos.
Not sure if the board has that feature, but perhaps since the user had secure boot disabled they also had legacy boot enabled instead of UEFI with the defaults going back to UEFI.
Legacy vs UEFI boot shouldn't prevent POST tho. It'd just drop you in the setup.
really enjoyed this series from Greg, all the troubleshooting plus the fact Greg doesnt charge the owner but get compensation from ads and sponsers, this makes the series win-win-win, for the owner, for Greg, for us viewers, damn even a win for the sponsers
2:59 into the video, ran into the same thing on a NEW build, Bricked the bios and a flashed bios fixed everything (might redo windows) gonna watch and see if im right
update, watched it. You didn't try flashing the bios on the mobo! Would love to see you try it so we could learn about it and seeing if it fixed it. Love the videos and love thinking along to see if i can figure out the issue before you do like a game.
Glad to see Greg helping these viewers fix their broken PC without a dime.
Greg says "that's a lot of dust"... I would really hate for him to see my system!!!
I bet yours's is pristine compared to some of the ones I deal with at work. We have a room with vats of hot oil and molten salt... think something like commercial fryers only a bigger and in the case of the salt MUCH hotter. The oil and salt mist mixed with dust and gets inside our computers.
And guess who takes care of the computers!
This scratches a very specific itch for me. I love fiddling and troubleshooting hardware. Instant follow once I saw how long that fix or flop Playlist is
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I'm an IT RMA technician. All your troubleshooting steps, spot on man! Awesome video, you got my sub and like.
A complete thriller from the start to end, best playlist
I've had broken PCIe slots start working again by cleaning them. Remove power cables from the motherboard first. Take some thick nogloss white printer paper and fold it over enough times so it's thick enough to enter the slot with some resistance. Also make sure to fold the paper so that leading edge will not exposed on the part that will be inserted into the slot, you want a smooth edge like a spine of a small magazine or pamphlet. Make a few pieces of paper like this so you aren't using the same bit of paper more than once. Then grab a paper and quickly spray it with a few bursts of electronic contact cleaner. Then insert the paper directly into the slot and out again like a card would go in and out, do not move down the length this may leave shredded paper in the slot or bend a pin. You will notice the paper come out dirty if there is dust or corrosion in the slot, it's easy to see on white paper. I revived an old P35 board with a Core 2 Duo a couple times this way when the graphics card wasn't being recognized.
Dang, that new board blends in with that case perfectly.
Another great video Greg. You win my best RUclips video series award for 2021. Wishing you and your family a safe and happy Thanksgiving holiday.
I loved the hypothesis explanation. At that moment you reminded me of the Sherlock Holmes quote which holds so true in PC repair. "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
This is great for experienced and inexperienced users all round.
Great job! keep it up
I LOVE PC STUFF DUDE , took a break for a while and now im back makes me realise how much i actually like tech
these fix or flop videos are my favorite from Mr. Salazar
Hey Greg, great content I love these videos, I'm a level one tech at a small town computer shop so I love seeing how different issues display in different scenarios so these videos are super helpful.
Hey Greg, great job on this! Did you notice the CPU temp dropped from around 90*C on the original motherboard, down to 38*C with the replacement motherboard? Considering the CPU and cooler were the same, I think there was some kind of voltage issue on the old motherboard which might have resulted from a short (maybe a blown capacitor?).
amazing series, much love, watch through all of it all the time
Gigabyte boards use "dual bios". During the bios flash procedure, there's an option to flash update both the main bios as well as the backup bios. Believe it or not, there can be cross-talk between the main & backup bios. If those two bios version are not identical, there may be some kind of "hickup". So: try re-flashing the bios firmware and select both the main & backup bios for updating. Also: before the bios flash, select "optimized default bios settings" then re-boot.
7:03 and the HDM is unplugged still cracks me up lmao, even though you already know it LMAO
wow the closed caption at 11:46 says " I need some Chicken Nuggets" these are the kind of subliminal messages I approve of
Love the content ive just bought all the parts needed for a pc and you are making me understand the trouble shoot process more and more every video
Finally, been waiting for new episode on Fix of Flop. Thanks Greg!
I just have to say. I’m new to this channel but I’m loving your content. I’m a big pc gamer and have been wanting to really get into learning how to build. I’ve had a hard time financially due to troubles with getting a job during this time. You are really giving me light into inspiring me to do more and learn more about this and maybe think of a better future towards doing so. So I say thank you and look forward to seeing more videos.
I really appreciate these kind of troubleshootings videos.
Thank you for the video
Looking forward for the next one
or
An update on this weird case
Greg, I wonder if updating the BIOS or disabling secure boot would have had any effect. Best description I found to summarize this problem is "PC won't boot when having the GPU connected after enabling Secure Boot". You did a solid job troubleshooting this issue. Thank you for producing this video.
Greg I've recently come across your content and I've binge watched so much. You're a great PC enthusiast and a great person to watch. Keep up the great work!!
Keep this series going, you almost have all the PCs in the Orlando area fixed, next stop Tennessee :}
I love these, I try to see if I know what the problem is before you find it, I am an IT guy for my day job. Sometimes I get it figured out at the start (like with the guy that had a bad PSU) others I see something new I hadn't come across before. I like this kind of content, I hope to see lots more episodes
I build machines not far from you in Winter Haven and love diagnosing these issues with you to see if I can find the problem also, lol This along with your new deep cleaning segment are great! I have been watching you from the start of Science Studio days.
I've posted below the last video that my mainboard of an old gaming rig was broken. Even an IT repair guy didn't know what the issue was. Today I found it out: One single pin of the intel socket was bent less than half a millimeter. I fixed that and now it's working again. Just wanted to let people know who posted below my comment last time. :D
Btw. nice video Greg as always. Love that series! Also I was kinda confused that you put the old CPU back in @11:30 already, I'd have switched from no GPU to your own GPU just in case it might not be the GPU but maybe PCI / motherboard issue and so it was. :D The motherboard is btw. kinda overkill for that pc build. The viewer is really lucky!
Thanks, I used your videos to build my latest computer. I did have a false start though when I tried to build with an Aorus B450 MB with a Ryzen 7 5000G which maybe if I had a compatible CPU and a GPU I could've flashed the bios to make Ryzen 7 work. In the end I did a return and bought another MB a Strix B550 which worked like a champ with my Ryzen 7 5000G. I put a Low-profile NH-L9a-AM4 Noctura cooler on my CPU, 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz Vengeance ram, 2 M2. ssds 1 TB each and a 2 TB ssd (4 TB total) and two 120 mm fans below and two 120mm fans above in a push/pull configuration. I chose the 5000G because I don't have the money to buy a GPU right now and the 5000G has Radeon integrated graphics on chip. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Love you Greg
“I don’t really have any cards”
The fifteen 30 series cards sitting on the shelf
“………..”
CC @ 11:46 - pc says "I need some Chicken Nuggets"
Thanks -- you crack me up when you start every video with "this here."
Nice video as always. A couple things you should’ve tried though: First, (and maybe you did off camera) cleaning the pcie slots and second, updating the bios. Most likely the update won’t fix it but you never know, maybe a sector of the bios got corrupted or something.
I'd tried so many things by the time I called it quits and swapped the boards. Also, we tried multiple slots in the video. Highly, highly doubt both full-length slots were clogged. But anyway, the slot was fine. Got a great look once I removed it from the case and closely examined it.
From watching videos like this i finally went into my Prebuilt and started messing around with things. Changed a PSU but to do that i had to take the cpu fan off since it was a AiO. Just alot of small things that i wouldnt have done without seeing people like you always doing it.
i love to see this troubleshooting steps, it's a great lesson for new pc builder.
thank you sir.
I love the flat black of those boards, it looks so good
We need a deep clean of those fingerprints off that portable monitor! Every video, I stare at the fingerprints scattered across that screen. Lol
Greg your videos are very professional and full of teaching continue like this!
These videos are extremely interesting! Also, that nzxt board has a really slick and clean aesthetic!
Loving the series so far! Is there a specific schedule for the series so i can look forward to certain uploads?
We tend to upload on weekends a few times a month. There's no strict schedule because this all depends on when viewers can meet for pickup.
it felt like you had fun on this one too. anyway it's always nice to see cuz if i run into one of this issue maybe i can save my pc
Why do this videos feel so therapeutic, damn I need a garage, Dope Vids as Always bruv
Greg, the issue was Secure Boot and I fear more people can have this issue was well and think they need a new board because they though they just brick it. I had the same issue with a MSI Z490 board and Intel i9 10900K. It seems that the Secure Boot and TPM features are buggy in Z490 and B460 boards or maybe it is the 10th gen processors. This is what I need to fix it.
-Unplug PC then Disconnect the GPU and connect display cable (HDMI, Display Port, etc.) directly to the motherboard.
-While the PC is on with the Black Screen, Reset BIOS. This will force the MOBO to reset.
-When you get to BIOS, go to Advance Features and Disable TPM (if it's on)
-Locate Secure Boot and Enable it. Switch from Standard to CUSTOM. Then in the same Secure Boot page look for the option to CLEAR or DELETE Keys.
-After you cleared/deleted the keys Disable Secure Boot
-Save and Exit. (IMPORTANT!) Make sure you boot into Windows BEFORE shutting the PC completely off.
-Once your computer is off, proceed to safely connect the GPU (and I mean turn your PSU off or unplug it)
-After that your PC should be working normally
More things to note.
-If you have Windows 11 installed already, try to reset back into Windows 10. Borrow another PC and create a bootable Win10 USB.
-If your goal is to have Windows 11, the bad news is that you have to buy a TPM 2.0 module and your MOBO has to support it. TPM 2.0 modules became expensive after Windows 11 was released.
To Properly set up secure boot and TPM to install Win11 on B460 boards and Z490 boards you have to:
-Make sure your board has a port for a TPM module and you have the latest BIOS version installed. (Make sure BIOS version says Windows 11 supported)
-Purchase the appropriate TPM 2.0 module for your board.
-Install TPM 2.0 Module
-Boot into BIOS and then follow this order.
-First Enable TPM and switch to dTPM (DO NOT LEAVE IN PTT)
-Save & Exit. Boot into Windows
-Reboot back into BIOS again
-Now locate and enable Secure Boot (Standard)
-Save & Exit. Everything should work properly and you should be able to install Win11.
I hope Greg sees this and makes a video. It will be an interesting if he explores this in a video and also be helpful to people that are having the same issue.
I think this video was great because it shows what we need to do when we find out hypothesis is wrong--keep testing and trying to figure out what other hypothesis does makes sense and fits all the facts.
Oooh, it's a P300 case just like my mesh version :) Also for aesthetics I'd black out the GPU end plate and that Intel sticker even with a felt-tip pen
Yayy glad we're back with this series
Great series! I'm enjoying a lot. I usually use the good old speaker to help troubleshoot, and take out the battery to clear CMOS (faster and easier to find :D ).
Man, those shrouded motherboards make a build look so dang clean! I love it! Lol
Thank you for all those Videos.
Helping me to troubleshoot my own and friends systems :)
Keep ut the good work!
I love this series. Keep them coming. Where did you get your PC duster?
omg i just love your videos.. I have exams and lots of studying but watching this at 4:10 am just cause I just cant resist
School comes first!
This ones a tricky one, glad you were able to find the REAL issue. I bet you a bunch of shops would just say its the CPU or the Graphics card and call it a day
Hi Greg! I just watched this video. Though I am not sure if you have already resolved the issue of that motherboard. But have you tried removing the CMOS battery to reset the motherboard to its factory settings? But before doing that, the latest BIOS update specifically for that motherboard should be ready on standby. I remembered you mentioning that the owner only experienced the trouble after applying setting that has something to do with secure boot(or TPM setting perhaps). The motherboard's BIOS has to be updated to its most recent board-specific update the moment it boots up normally again. Restart and load its optimal settings, before enabling PTT or TPM for secure boot to be ready for Windows 11. It can be worth the try!
This may be off topic, but would u consider offering a build series. For let's say beginners, I only ask this because it's been almost 2 decades since I built pc's and a lot has changed. since dial-up, lol. But something has sparked my interest once again, and we'll you yt channel had pulled me back in.
I thank u for that!
i watch videos like this so if i ever have a problem arise, i will have the basic knowledge to tackle the repair myself. thanks greg salazar
Greg! I wanted to thank you for pc fixing vids i absolutly loved them ive wathed all of them
Idk why just enjoying
The way you are explaining you are making it very interesting
That build looks clean except for that dang team blue cpu cooler. Love your channel. I’ve always been a tech guy. I built my first PC for my nephew then my own not to long ago. It was perfect both times. I was confident going into my first built because of years of watching channels like yours. Keep it up!!!
I would try updating the bios when you're able to post into it, it would at the very least reset whatever jankiness that it might be afflicted with. Worth a shot, anyway.