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Here's what's fucked up right, so I've been watching some interviews with navy seals, and one of them is a pretty big podcaster now, his name is Jocko. Jocko was there and he new Chris Kyle. The whole part where a seal gets shot in the face and later dies in surgery is all a true story. That was the first navy seal casualty in Iraq. This was a pretty big deal. The guy who's portrayed in the movie as kind of a dick cause he doesn't wanna go kick doors, his name was Marc Lee and he was beloved by the whole platoon or whatever. There's also a mini doc by history channel about this where all his teammates testify that he was the bravest among them, he was a machine gunner. I thought it was funny and pretty fucked up that in this millitary propaganda movie they totally assassinated the character of another seal who probably was a much better person than Chris kyle. Also what's funny is they cast a blonde guy for his part when he looked hispanic in real life.
I thought it was funny the opening scene for the movie he’s aiming at a kid holding some weapon and talking to himself “please drop it” and having this moral dilemma. That didn’t happen in the book he wrote lol he actually said something like “I don’t care who it is. I’m here to kill the bad guys”
What are the odds that the guy killed Kyle because, while shooting guns, the guy very predictably had an episode and Kyle, in all of his well-known sensitivity, started making fun of him and telling him to stop being a pussy?
This guys description of going to the grocery store after being in Afghanistan and having a panic attack, is almost verbatim to what happened to my brother when he got home from prison.
I was about to comment on how strong this seemingly mundane occurrence hits. There really is some solid insight to be found in this ep, beyond the standard tear down. I hope your brother is doing well.
They tried, but unfortunately I was really busy that week and we couldn't make the timing work. Still happy to come on Chapo if you'll still have me dry boys!
Hilariously, they're really not all that different in terms of ideology. Two right-wingers religious nutjobs who both came to a war zone because they wanted an excuse to kill people
Adam Sandler is doing another Safdie Bros film where he plays an Ashkenazi Mohel in Brooklynn. It's called American Snipper. Also, a new Pixar film about Marjory Stoneman Douglas's relationship with a community of lovable alligators. It's called American Snapper.
At least American Sniper had an ounce of cinema aesthetic you could appreciate. Lone Survivor looks like it was written by a committee of military recruiters and Dinesh D'Souza.
Love the obese wheezing and grunting in the background throughout the entire podcast. Really makes you feel like you're right there, directly under their open mouths as they breathe
Even in the backwards world where American war criminals aren’t fair game for targeted assassination, where it isn’t perfectly legal to murder them, there are text messages Kyle sent where even he states “this guy is nuts” I believe the guy was also diagnosed with PTSD and mental issues. Absolute travesty of justice. The guy shouldn’t be in prison, he should have got a medal and a cash reward for his service (killing war criminals) and his meds and psychological treatment should be covered for life and he should live out the rest of his days at a gold star treatment facility in Hawaii.
@@ItsOgre I still maintain that Kyle was killed because he started making fun of the guy and calling him a pussy after the guy predictably had an episode while shooting guns.
26:13 Excerpt from book American Sniper: "I had trouble holding my tongue. At one point, I told the Army colonel, “I don’t shoot people with Korans-I’d like to, but I don’t.” I guess I was a little hot." You'd think it would be more effective to shoot people with bullets.🥁 [crickets] Is this thing on?
Oh my god I also just remembered (whether it's in the book or not) about the time Kyle said he punched Jesse Ventura because he was dissing the troops.
matt is the only one of them with good political analysis. chapo should just become a left shitpost movie/tv pod and the professor can do cushvlogs/inebraited past, boom
Re: the pep boys discount It reminds me of when I was on my brothers bachelor party in Vegas. One of his friends was a captain in the army rangers. We went to this hilariously seedy strip club (at the time we arrived there was a troupe of clean up dancers. Literally dancing around like strippers while mopping the stage). There was an $8 cover charge, but for veterans, they would knock it down to $5. Wow - thank you for your service indeed. Not even a free bud light?
I love how in the movie 9/11 makes him want to go fight...AQ or Taliban...in...Iraq? They just mush it all into one in that movie lol. "I watched the towers burn so I signed up to go to Iraq". Lmao.
Intelligent people watch Eastwood's war movies and think, "Wow, I'd never want to be in that situation. War sucks. Even if you're a 'legend', it still warps you." Impressionable young men watch and think "Wow that's awesome I can't wait to sign up." There were several key moments in the movie that lay bare the exploitative ulterior agenda of the war and at best "morally ambiguous" nature of that endless incursion. It's not the most blatant anti-war movie, but that's sometimes necessary to get a point across. If your agenda is obvious, people block it out or dismiss it from the beginning. Eastwood's narrative is more subversive. Inherently this means some folks will need it explicitly spelled out for them, which is why Eastwood explicitly stated it is an anti-war film. What's unfortunate is so many people still romanticize psychotic mayhem, even when the cost is clear for the luckiest soldier. The script could have been better, for sure. But if it was turned into the movie the Chapo crew demand of it, to make it a more strident and blatant anti-war movie, then it likely wouldn't have been made. Eastwood for the most part was playing to his strengths within the framework. Even his WW2 movies emphasize the terrible cost of war more than the triumph or supposed glory of what most consider the most necessary/justifiable war.
agreed. I'm actually a pretty big fan of this movie (full disclosure, I never read the book) because its a pretty solid anti war movie. The main character is pretty much portrayed as having a permanent case of PTSD.
A lot of the stuff veterans miss has to do with being kept. No decisions, don't gotta think about money, you're basically a bum when you're not in combat.
I had a buddy who watched a RUclips channel of some tubby pig academy wash-out in casual Kevlar who would watch cctv of shootouts and robberies and give his armchair assessment of the combatants tactical prowess. That guy invoked the sheepdog keeping wolves from the herd metaphor often, fancying himself an oddly wooly collie or something I guess, and there's something missing in this diorama.... the shepherd. Sheep are kept to be shorn and slaughtered.
I have a long family history of servicemembers (though i myself have decided to choose a different career path, sorry grandpa Al) And the weirdest thing, is that literally *none* of them had any of those harrowing "i basically survived a COD campaign irl" stories. My great grandad and his brother both fought in WWII, and i hardly knew anything about their time in the armed forces, save for the fact that one was in the navy, and the other the army; with the latter having been in the second wave on Utah beach during D-Day. Crazy stuff. And yet none of them ever talked about it. Maybe it's the cliche "I'll never tell my grandkids about what i saw/did" but who's to say? Following that, i had an uncle who got drafted to Vietnam and served as a medic, and an aunt who was in the army supply corps in the 1990's and guess what? No horror stories! Even from the nam uncle! My aunt, who's now a postal worker, once told me she'd only ever fired a rifle during training. Most veterans of the war on terror i meet often come off as dudebros who went on vacay with little remorse or deeper reflections on their time in the middle east. Save for one, my buddy Tayvon, who didn't even get deployed to afghanistan, and was a tech guy on a base in germany. Shoutsout Tayvon btw, love you man
That's because, from the looks of it, most of your family was lucky enough to be in the "tail" part of the army, eg the logistics/backline/service branches, rather than frontline infantry to be mulched. Of course people who sat in a logistics hub have different stories than those who got shot at.
To be fair, the people that have seen the real shit will almost never tell you they've seen the real shit. I was in one of the worst battles of the Iraq War and I tell 99% of people that all I really did was burn trash in the desert.
Yeah there is some dude bro culture in modern vets because we generally completely crushed Taliban dudes. We would find these dudes instantly with drones and decimate them, so a lot of guys get lax about it That being said your family probably hasn’t told you a lot about the service because you’re 1- not a veteran, and 2- not a combat veteran Combat and war is really weird and complicated, so you’re not going to talk about it to people who think they understand what you’re talking about. The first thing I learned overseas was that there’s a lot of shit I thought I knew that I was completely wrong about
Guest calls the Iraq War “morally ambiguous”. Probably one of the worst guests they’ve ever had. I don’t get why people are saying Felix is being cringe, he’s taking the piss out of this creep. This guy is just nonchalantly talking about how he covered up the rape of children by soldiers, disgusting. He’s bragging about that shit
How can this guy say that he wanted to go back to war because his "brain is broken and he knows it", but Kyle went back because of simple bloodthirst? Does he really think there's no overlap there?
I’m sure Francis doesn’t absolve himself of all guilt for being in the army for 20 years. But for some clarity he was a reservist in public affairs. He wasn’t issued a rifle in Iraq and sat in an office. He pretty vehemently opposes the army and what they do.
My cousin was 1st Marines in Fallujah. He was conducting breach and clear throughout a whole block until one Seal Sniper wanted to help clear a 2 story building, my cousin never really got a look at his face with sunglasses and helmet nor really cares anymore but i like to think they crossed paths.
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Chris's father, being bred like many other young sons of a genteel family, to the profession of Deacon, and there is no doubt he would have made an eminent figure in his profession... had he not been killed in a duel, which arose over the purchase of a Honda Accord.
Kyle clearly had that performative PTSD thing going on, too. You can't be traumatized by war when you come home and openly brag (lie) about murdering people during Katrina or at random gas stations for disrespecting you. You can't freak out at a hospital or grocery store but then have to get back to Baghdad as fast as you can just to feel alive again. Long story I'll try to make quick but I've known one guy with this same thing. I've seen many but only known one personally. So, my cousin is married to a good dude that was a marine. He served in Iraq, did some nasty stuff. The guys Kyle watched over? He was one of those dudes. "Kick in random doors in Fallujah and hope nobody is on the other side to kill me" stuff. He never talks about it, you wouldn't even know he was there if you weren't told. His brother? Also a marine. Also served in Iraq and never stfu about it. Was NOT one of those guys. Yet, he became fn Rain Man x Adam Sandler in Reign Over Me the second anyone else mentioned Iraq in any way. Annoyingly so. I met him at my annual family reunion for July 4th. It's more like a week long hippie commune on a large property. A pond, everyone camps out, eats together in the barn, drink and get high all day, etc. On the 4th there are the county fireworks on our property. It rocks (or did when we still did it). This particular year my cousin's husband brings his brother and he's acting like a psycho the entire time. Constantly picking fights with strangers when he'd tag along on beer runs. Then in the car he'd be like "man...I just thought I was back in Iraq for a second...". Really? You thought the gas station was Baghdad? Ok. Then on a canoe trip he got hammered and started screaming at people and crying...and it was just so transparently fake. Even the crying. He was just drunk and doing his "wounded warrior" shtick. During the fireworks, he's fn pacing around in front of like 50-100 people sitting in chairs ranting about how the sound of the fireworks is "fn with his brain, man...it's fn him up man. He's gotta...he's gotta get away from that sound, man...". Why this behavior? Because nobody called him on it and it got him sympathy. It got him benfits. Like, he'd freak out and either get a hug or strangers on their knees thanking him for his service. Everyone knew he was being a clown but like two of my aunts kept consoling him so he kept at it all week. No fn way he thought the planned firework show that he could see with his own two eyes were, fn, secret muj attacks on his FOB lol. Mortars incoming! No chance. Dude was a clown. No, he is just one of many soldiers that didn't do all that much but know they can live the rest of their lives acting like a fn ret*rd and use their service as a Get-out-of-jail-free card. That was Kyle x100. He liked killing. He also loved being the wounded warrior that "gave it all for his country". Was his brain fkd? Yes...before he ever went to war. Dude was a psycho. Even this dude telling about options in a grocery store is moronic. Dude, you lived in America for 20 years. Stop acting like you forgot what a fn grocery store is after a tour in Afghanistan.
Like it really does negatively affect your quality of life and threatens relationships with instability. Anyone with it knows that trying to keep it quiet is a huge part of the struggle, not showing it to everyone.
@@JohnDoe-pm9ip Yeah, not mocking legit PTSD. My cousins husband has it and you know it's real due to how it's handled. His brother - at least at the time - was a clown. Totally different guys.
Even from a filmmaking perspective it just sucks. That whole final firefight while they wait for EVAC youre expecting someone to die or get shot. Some kind of negative consequence for Chris killing a man and blowing their cover. But no, all the US troops make it out ok and Chris is the coolest Mary Sue protagonist. He can do no wrong, even though in reality i dont thing he ever did a single thing right.
turned my stomach when their military propagandist guest started casually describing how he would cover up the rape and murder of a child by the US military in a tone which says he's done it more than once, and rather than pushing back everyone decided to riff on it?
I mean, that's why he even gave the example. The military is so fucked up that they do this literally all the time. Look at how they address military sexual violence against local people near the US bases in Japan; It's the same script every time, everywhere. This specific kind of example is so incredibly common and prolific that it's not shocking in any way to anyone who's aware of how prevalent US military staff raping / abusing local people around the world is. If they didn't riff on it, it would have just escalated into utter despair. It's not this one guy's fault that this was the job he was given and this is the type of shit which I'm sure has fucked him up permanently forever-- At least he has the moral ability to talk about it and make sure a broader audience is aware of the exact type of horrible shit the US military is doing literally every day, everywhere, and how they bullshit their way through it with the "positive spin PR" so that it never gets taken seriously or addressed in any meaningful way. It's fucked, but everyone knows that, and it keeps happening, and that's the point; If they didn't riff on it, it would just be overwhelmingly depressing and emphasise frustration and outrage that everyone already has about this exact shit. :(
Would you have preferred him not saying anything? Would you rather that an episode focused on how terrible the US occupation is does not have someone who participated in that occupation, and willingly describes how terrible it was, on the show? Or do you just not like hearing icky stuff?
@@effluviah7544 Don't most people who join the military come from economically depressed communities? Dunking on your average grunt who signed up when they were 18 because they wanted the government to pay for some of their college degree and get out of their deindustrialize shitkicker town is absolutely braindead. Especially considering that any successful leftist revolution requires some level of infiltration of the military rank and file as well as the officer class.
This dude is talking about what we can do in our everyday lives to make the troops feel better lmao They're lucky they don't all get lined up dude, they deserve to feel bad forever ????
seems lots of war movies and made like "the style of the movie gives the viewer a real sense of what a shitshow the war was", but actually that just makes it a shitty movie
I actually appreciate that the military guy liked In The Army Now. That movie has always been a little bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I'd rather rewatch it than American Sniper, once was enough for that one
It's funny to watch Francis army guy try to get away from any talk about the military being bad. His thing about Felix being a writer and not a sniper was harious evidence that Felix poked too much fun at the boys in greeb
Relatedly, Matt: spinning a piece of brilliant humorous historical analysis Will: let me interrupt to urgently read out another sentence from this dumb op-ed
They shouldn't have had that veteran guy there, it drags the episode, they act too respectful with him. I wanted them to torn apart this fucking movie, which is worse than 13 hours by far, at least that was funny
@@kazumahazeuzumaki so only get people on who agree with EVERYTHING we believe? 🙄 The guy tore apart Kyle. And the book. And the film. There's a lot of vets who are now extremely critical of American foreign policy. We need them on our side.
Nah man if you brag about covering up sex crimes, on minors especially you're a piece of shit and shouldn't be associated with. Sure politically don't alienate anti imperialist vets, a votes a vote. but that doesn't make chilling with a war crime cover up artist ok
There was a problem w my Patreon sub so I came here for my fix. I have headphones in at my shop job all day. The amount of commercial breaks is fucking insane. And not 15 second commercials- fucking 15 minute informercial bullshit.
hate on me if u want but this soldier dude is boring af and made this episode way less funny. constantly chiming in only to talk about his disgusting war stories, confirms every stereotype about army vet guys loll
Easily the worst chapo guest. Lol why did they think a troop would be a good fit for their show. He literally brought up Trump's draft dodging. Only lib poisoned operators (the worst kinds of people) care about that shit.
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It's really telling that Kyle was the best propaganda stooge they could find
Great comment
I like how the movie tried to make him seem cool and even-headed and he still came across as a complete psycho
Forreal, dude was just that twisted XD couldnt hide his nature
Shooting children is hard to redeem someone from
Even Eastwood isn't that good of a filmmaker
I guess American Sniper was the real American Psycho all along.
@@Loe_Jist shut up yes he is it’s cooper’s fault
Felix's ability to think of a long, drawn-out joke in a 1/20th of the time it takes him to say it and still have it land is legendary.
? they don't land tho
@@VeggieRice hater asf
@@VeggieRiceLand as hard as Felix globs land on your mom.
@@VeggieRice Sometimes they do. But he's after the big game, so we admire his ambition as much, if not more, than the punchlines
Here's what's fucked up right, so I've been watching some interviews with navy seals, and one of them is a pretty big podcaster now, his name is Jocko. Jocko was there and he new Chris Kyle. The whole part where a seal gets shot in the face and later dies in surgery is all a true story. That was the first navy seal casualty in Iraq. This was a pretty big deal. The guy who's portrayed in the movie as kind of a dick cause he doesn't wanna go kick doors, his name was Marc Lee and he was beloved by the whole platoon or whatever. There's also a mini doc by history channel about this where all his teammates testify that he was the bravest among them, he was a machine gunner. I thought it was funny and pretty fucked up that in this millitary propaganda movie they totally assassinated the character of another seal who probably was a much better person than Chris kyle. Also what's funny is they cast a blonde guy for his part when he looked hispanic in real life.
I thought it was funny the opening scene for the movie he’s aiming at a kid holding some weapon and talking to himself “please drop it” and having this moral dilemma. That didn’t happen in the book he wrote lol he actually said something like “I don’t care who it is. I’m here to kill the bad guys”
He also wrote how much he hates Iraqis and wanted to murder them all.
The writers realized they couldn’t portray the reality without it portraying Kyle in a bad light lol
@@mommysmilkshake5779 honestly, I think now, only a few years later, they could've done it that way in the film!
Too bad we couldn't have the scene of him shooting Hurricane Katrina looters off the Superdome, or all that other crazy shit
@@InvisibleHotdog he'd have probably "helped" with all the raping as well; clearly had massive issues with women...
What are the odds that the guy killed Kyle because, while shooting guns, the guy very predictably had an episode and Kyle, in all of his well-known sensitivity, started making fun of him and telling him to stop being a pussy?
This guys description of going to the grocery store after being in Afghanistan and having a panic attack, is almost verbatim to what happened to my brother when he got home from prison.
I was about to comment on how strong this seemingly mundane occurrence hits.
There really is some solid insight to be found in this ep, beyond the standard tear down.
I hope your brother is doing well.
The guest is lame. They should have got the guy who shot Chris on the show.
They tried, but unfortunately I was really busy that week and we couldn't make the timing work. Still happy to come on Chapo if you'll still have me dry boys!
@@tommyhowsthepeeping thank you for your service!
I really liked it when he addressed Felix as "Mr. Fuck."
I love that it shows Matt’s long standing opposition to cgi blood
49:46 American Sniper, followed several months later by Syrian Sniper, would've been a ballsy move.
Hilariously, they're really not all that different in terms of ideology. Two right-wingers religious nutjobs who both came to a war zone because they wanted an excuse to kill people
Thank you for your service on El Alamein 64 player conquest, Felix.
*_*salutes_**
Adam Sandler is doing another Safdie Bros film where he plays an Ashkenazi Mohel in Brooklynn. It's called American Snipper.
Also, a new Pixar film about Marjory Stoneman Douglas's relationship with a community of lovable alligators. It's called American Snapper.
Also I'm gay
At least American Sniper had an ounce of cinema aesthetic you could appreciate. Lone Survivor looks like it was written by a committee of military recruiters and Dinesh D'Souza.
Ah the sweet, sweet content. AM clearly the most marxist of us all.
The Ba'ath time gag is great.
I checked out when he left his sniper position to go kick doors cuz the regular marines weren’t good enough at it
Love the obese wheezing and grunting in the background throughout the entire podcast. Really makes you feel like you're right there, directly under their open mouths as they breathe
Schizo who killed him shouldve gotten an insanity verdict tbh
He should have gotten a fkn medal of honor lmao
Why would they take a guy with ptsd to a gun range? Fuckin' stupid. Take him fishing or play golf. WTF.
Even in the backwards world where American war criminals aren’t fair game for targeted assassination, where it isn’t perfectly legal to murder them, there are text messages Kyle sent where even he states “this guy is nuts” I believe the guy was also diagnosed with PTSD and mental issues. Absolute travesty of justice. The guy shouldn’t be in prison, he should have got a medal and a cash reward for his service (killing war criminals) and his meds and psychological treatment should be covered for life and he should live out the rest of his days at a gold star treatment facility in Hawaii.
@@ItsOgre I still maintain that Kyle was killed because he started making fun of the guy and calling him a pussy after the guy predictably had an episode while shooting guns.
You all need to take your meds
26:13 Excerpt from book American Sniper: "I had trouble holding my tongue. At one point, I told the Army colonel, “I don’t shoot people with Korans-I’d like to, but I don’t.” I guess I was a little hot."
You'd think it would be more effective to shoot people with bullets.🥁
[crickets]
Is this thing on?
A.K.A. The Real American Psycho 2
Sorry, I missed if they discussed how Kyle embellished his service and stole valor according to the Navy.
His real crime.
Looking back they should've invited this guy to the range 15 episode as well.
My boomer grandfather voted for Hillary before he died and I asked him why? He said he'd never vote for a draft dodger.
Thank god Will cutoff Felix on that 1942 riff lol
I thought he was going to add onto it but he just completely cut it off 🤣
6:34 Mercy killing.
Oh my god I also just remembered (whether it's in the book or not) about the time Kyle said he punched Jesse Ventura because he was dissing the troops.
Why isn’t that in the movie? Just a little running man homage.
@@lastrega2968 Because it was another case of Kyle lying through his teeth. I forgot how messed up he was in the head.
8:55 Someone doing four tours in Iraq is like the guy who has been in college for 10 years and is on his 3rd BA. It's time to move on, dude.
Was around quite a few guys like Kyle during my time overseas. Combat MOS’ are like a fucking bug light for violent sociopaths.
What are MOS
@@jasondaveries9716 Military Occupational Specialty, just what job you have.
@@jasondaveries9716 what job the military decides you're qualified enough to learn and do depending on yuh brains per Mr ASVAB.
11:14 I just realized I've been mixing up "The Big Short" with "The Informant" in my head for half a decade.
Honestly wouldn’t mind at all if Chapo pivoted into just being a movie pod
As long as Matt keeps up the Cushvlogs, I'm game.
matt is the only one of them with good political analysis. chapo should just become a left shitpost movie/tv pod and the professor can do cushvlogs/inebraited past, boom
imagine admiring a guy whose completely oblivious about The Punisher while having a hard-on for killing Iraqis
What if it was American Viper and it was about a cool snake
One can dream
American piper and its about a couple union plumbers
And it sold crack in Houston
what if instead of American sniper it was American diaper and I have made a mess in my diaper and need changing 🥺 👉 👈
what if i shot you. what if i put an end to these comments
That's the working title for Charlie Kirk's upcoming memoir.
how about Amer-Rye-can Sniper and it’s a type of bread
Hahhhhhahaahaaa
President Trump has made another dookie in his diaper! Alert the Secret Service!
ArmyStrang's spin-skill is genuinely chilling. Great episode.
Re: the pep boys discount
It reminds me of when I was on my brothers bachelor party in Vegas. One of his friends was a captain in the army rangers. We went to this hilariously seedy strip club (at the time we arrived there was a troupe of clean up dancers. Literally dancing around like strippers while mopping the stage). There was an $8 cover charge, but for veterans, they would knock it down to $5. Wow - thank you for your service indeed. Not even a free bud light?
I love how in the movie 9/11 makes him want to go fight...AQ or Taliban...in...Iraq?
They just mush it all into one in that movie lol. "I watched the towers burn so I signed up to go to Iraq". Lmao.
But I mean, isn't that the United States did as a country ?
They saw 9/11 and invaded a country that had no relation with it
My favourite character in the Chapo cannon is Kevin Fuck
A refreshing alternate interpretation of the term "gun nut"
0/10
This movie didn’t have a scene where Kyle knocks out Jesse Ventura.
Damn, I fully agree with Matt about the best way to make this movie.
Intelligent people watch Eastwood's war movies and think, "Wow, I'd never want to be in that situation. War sucks. Even if you're a 'legend', it still warps you."
Impressionable young men watch and think "Wow that's awesome I can't wait to sign up."
There were several key moments in the movie that lay bare the exploitative ulterior agenda of the war and at best "morally ambiguous" nature of that endless incursion. It's not the most blatant anti-war movie, but that's sometimes necessary to get a point across. If your agenda is obvious, people block it out or dismiss it from the beginning. Eastwood's narrative is more subversive. Inherently this means some folks will need it explicitly spelled out for them, which is why Eastwood explicitly stated it is an anti-war film. What's unfortunate is so many people still romanticize psychotic mayhem, even when the cost is clear for the luckiest soldier. The script could have been better, for sure. But if it was turned into the movie the Chapo crew demand of it, to make it a more strident and blatant anti-war movie, then it likely wouldn't have been made. Eastwood for the most part was playing to his strengths within the framework. Even his WW2 movies emphasize the terrible cost of war more than the triumph or supposed glory of what most consider the most necessary/justifiable war.
agreed. I'm actually a pretty big fan of this movie (full disclosure, I never read the book) because its a pretty solid anti war movie. The main character is pretty much portrayed as having a permanent case of PTSD.
I remember my cousin saying it's so weird the way that book and movie was promoted at the time.
A lot of the stuff veterans miss has to do with being kept.
No decisions, don't gotta think about money, you're basically a bum when you're not in combat.
Unpopular opinion: Arnold Schwarzenegger should have played Chris Kyle. Why?
Could you imagine that “Let me see my daughter” scene.
This movie at times straight up be Der Stolz Nation, as Nate Bethea has said
I had a buddy who watched a RUclips channel of some tubby pig academy wash-out in casual Kevlar who would watch cctv of shootouts and robberies and give his armchair assessment of the combatants tactical prowess. That guy invoked the sheepdog keeping wolves from the herd metaphor often, fancying himself an oddly wooly collie or something I guess, and there's something missing in this diorama.... the shepherd. Sheep are kept to be shorn and slaughtered.
the Shepard controls the dogs too. They are disposed of when they can't do the job, or stop obeying.
Ron Paul said it best. When Chris Kyle died he said “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”
Wow Ron Paul said that? I guess that’s the good thing about libertarians. They’re freaks but at least seem to be anti American war machine
Three Kings is really good.
God, I love seeing Marky Mark get tortured.
hello youtube algorithm, please recommend more videos like this
American Sniper walked so Barry could run
"One of the last people...ahem... one of the last troops out".
I have a long family history of servicemembers (though i myself have decided to choose a different career path, sorry grandpa Al)
And the weirdest thing, is that literally *none* of them had any of those harrowing "i basically survived a COD campaign irl" stories. My great grandad and his brother both fought in WWII, and i hardly knew anything about their time in the armed forces, save for the fact that one was in the navy, and the other the army; with the latter having been in the second wave on Utah beach during D-Day. Crazy stuff. And yet none of them ever talked about it. Maybe it's the cliche "I'll never tell my grandkids about what i saw/did" but who's to say?
Following that, i had an uncle who got drafted to Vietnam and served as a medic, and an aunt who was in the army supply corps in the 1990's and guess what? No horror stories! Even from the nam uncle! My aunt, who's now a postal worker, once told me she'd only ever fired a rifle during training.
Most veterans of the war on terror i meet often come off as dudebros who went on vacay with little remorse or deeper reflections on their time in the middle east.
Save for one, my buddy Tayvon, who didn't even get deployed to afghanistan, and was a tech guy on a base in germany.
Shoutsout Tayvon btw, love you man
That's because, from the looks of it, most of your family was lucky enough to be in the "tail" part of the army, eg the logistics/backline/service branches, rather than frontline infantry to be mulched. Of course people who sat in a logistics hub have different stories than those who got shot at.
@@WebertHest Thank god I majored in IT, the most likely place I'll end up if I get drafted is in Fort Meade or some other NOC.
To be fair, the people that have seen the real shit will almost never tell you they've seen the real shit.
I was in one of the worst battles of the Iraq War and I tell 99% of people that all I really did was burn trash in the desert.
Tayvon the yung king
Yeah there is some dude bro culture in modern vets because we generally completely crushed Taliban dudes. We would find these dudes instantly with drones and decimate them, so a lot of guys get lax about it
That being said your family probably hasn’t told you a lot about the service because you’re 1- not a veteran, and 2- not a combat veteran
Combat and war is really weird and complicated, so you’re not going to talk about it to people who think they understand what you’re talking about. The first thing I learned overseas was that there’s a lot of shit I thought I knew that I was completely wrong about
I saw it in theaters (not my choice) and I could point out the fake baby
Oooh I been waiting on this since the shooter review. wasn’t sure if they’d done it before or not.
Guest calls the Iraq War “morally ambiguous”. Probably one of the worst guests they’ve ever had. I don’t get why people are saying Felix is being cringe, he’s taking the piss out of this creep. This guy is just nonchalantly talking about how he covered up the rape of children by soldiers, disgusting. He’s bragging about that shit
they should have invited a former Iraqi insurgent on the show
Calm down I think he’s just making a joke
He literally points out how it was very un ambiguous in the next sentence. Un clutch your pearls princess 👸
honestly this guy fuckin sucked and i felt like they knew it but had to humour him cos he's a vet. on top of that he was boring as hell
@@R1ck_Ryder did you miss the part where he brags about running PR for child rapists?
I heard the sequel actually is going to be about Daddy Donald
“And CID, which is ‘central intelligence division’.”
It’s Criminal Investigation Division. It’s kind of weird that a veteran would not know that.
Tbf, very few Army members are aware of their presence; most just assume they’re the MPs.
How can this guy say that he wanted to go back to war because his "brain is broken and he knows it", but Kyle went back because of simple bloodthirst? Does he really think there's no overlap there?
I’m sure Francis doesn’t absolve himself of all guilt for being in the army for 20 years. But for some clarity he was a reservist in public affairs. He wasn’t issued a rifle in Iraq and sat in an office. He pretty vehemently opposes the army and what they do.
They are the same, they have the same mental illness. The difference between them is self awareness - Kyle has none
I think he’s pretty explicit that he went back out of a desire for order and organization in his life, not a desire to blow away evil savages
My cousin was 1st Marines in Fallujah. He was conducting breach and clear throughout a whole block until one Seal Sniper wanted to help clear a 2 story building, my cousin never really got a look at his face with sunglasses and helmet nor really cares anymore but i like to think they crossed paths.
@@orangejulius3 he seemed pretty nonchalant about his job being putting a positive spin on soldiers doing meth and raping children
-Mayn’t I take DJ lessons from my boyfriend's friend?
-You’re perfectly welcome, miss. As many lessons as you like. When ladies make presents to gentlemen, it is time for other gentlemen to retire. I have the honour to wish you both a good day.
Chris's father, being bred like many other young sons of a genteel family, to the profession of Deacon, and there is no doubt he would have made an eminent figure in his profession... had he not been killed in a duel, which arose over the purchase of a Honda Accord.
Thanks for posting these! The movie eps are my favourite
Kyle clearly had that performative PTSD thing going on, too. You can't be traumatized by war when you come home and openly brag (lie) about murdering people during Katrina or at random gas stations for disrespecting you. You can't freak out at a hospital or grocery store but then have to get back to Baghdad as fast as you can just to feel alive again.
Long story I'll try to make quick but I've known one guy with this same thing. I've seen many but only known one personally.
So, my cousin is married to a good dude that was a marine. He served in Iraq, did some nasty stuff. The guys Kyle watched over? He was one of those dudes. "Kick in random doors in Fallujah and hope nobody is on the other side to kill me" stuff. He never talks about it, you wouldn't even know he was there if you weren't told.
His brother? Also a marine. Also served in Iraq and never stfu about it. Was NOT one of those guys. Yet, he became fn Rain Man x Adam Sandler in Reign Over Me the second anyone else mentioned Iraq in any way. Annoyingly so.
I met him at my annual family reunion for July 4th. It's more like a week long hippie commune on a large property. A pond, everyone camps out, eats together in the barn, drink and get high all day, etc. On the 4th there are the county fireworks on our property. It rocks (or did when we still did it).
This particular year my cousin's husband brings his brother and he's acting like a psycho the entire time. Constantly picking fights with strangers when he'd tag along on beer runs. Then in the car he'd be like "man...I just thought I was back in Iraq for a second...". Really? You thought the gas station was Baghdad? Ok.
Then on a canoe trip he got hammered and started screaming at people and crying...and it was just so transparently fake. Even the crying. He was just drunk and doing his "wounded warrior" shtick.
During the fireworks, he's fn pacing around in front of like 50-100 people sitting in chairs ranting about how the sound of the fireworks is "fn with his brain, man...it's fn him up man. He's gotta...he's gotta get away from that sound, man...".
Why this behavior? Because nobody called him on it and it got him sympathy. It got him benfits. Like, he'd freak out and either get a hug or strangers on their knees thanking him for his service.
Everyone knew he was being a clown but like two of my aunts kept consoling him so he kept at it all week.
No fn way he thought the planned firework show that he could see with his own two eyes were, fn, secret muj attacks on his FOB lol. Mortars incoming! No chance. Dude was a clown.
No, he is just one of many soldiers that didn't do all that much but know they can live the rest of their lives acting like a fn ret*rd and use their service as a Get-out-of-jail-free card.
That was Kyle x100. He liked killing. He also loved being the wounded warrior that "gave it all for his country". Was his brain fkd? Yes...before he ever went to war. Dude was a psycho.
Even this dude telling about options in a grocery store is moronic. Dude, you lived in America for 20 years. Stop acting like you forgot what a fn grocery store is after a tour in Afghanistan.
As someone with PTSD, you feel a strong sense of shame too
Like it really does negatively affect your quality of life and threatens relationships with instability. Anyone with it knows that trying to keep it quiet is a huge part of the struggle, not showing it to everyone.
@@JohnDoe-pm9ip that sucks, hope it gets better for you
@@JohnDoe-pm9ip Yeah, not mocking legit PTSD. My cousins husband has it and you know it's real due to how it's handled.
His brother - at least at the time - was a clown. Totally different guys.
"I know alot of correctional officers..."
Felix was extra cringe this episode, even w/ Acid Marxist's top shelf editing
Even from a filmmaking perspective it just sucks. That whole final firefight while they wait for EVAC youre expecting someone to die or get shot. Some kind of negative consequence for Chris killing a man and blowing their cover. But no, all the US troops make it out ok and Chris is the coolest Mary Sue protagonist. He can do no wrong, even though in reality i dont thing he ever did a single thing right.
turned my stomach when their military propagandist guest started casually describing how he would cover up the rape and murder of a child by the US military in a tone which says he's done it more than once, and rather than pushing back everyone decided to riff on it?
I mean, that's why he even gave the example. The military is so fucked up that they do this literally all the time. Look at how they address military sexual violence against local people near the US bases in Japan; It's the same script every time, everywhere. This specific kind of example is so incredibly common and prolific that it's not shocking in any way to anyone who's aware of how prevalent US military staff raping / abusing local people around the world is. If they didn't riff on it, it would have just escalated into utter despair.
It's not this one guy's fault that this was the job he was given and this is the type of shit which I'm sure has fucked him up permanently forever-- At least he has the moral ability to talk about it and make sure a broader audience is aware of the exact type of horrible shit the US military is doing literally every day, everywhere, and how they bullshit their way through it with the "positive spin PR" so that it never gets taken seriously or addressed in any meaningful way.
It's fucked, but everyone knows that, and it keeps happening, and that's the point; If they didn't riff on it, it would just be overwhelmingly depressing and emphasise frustration and outrage that everyone already has about this exact shit. :(
Would you have preferred him not saying anything? Would you rather that an episode focused on how terrible the US occupation is does not have someone who participated in that occupation, and willingly describes how terrible it was, on the show?
Or do you just not like hearing icky stuff?
@@effluviah7544 Don't most people who join the military come from economically depressed communities? Dunking on your average grunt who signed up when they were 18 because they wanted the government to pay for some of their college degree and get out of their deindustrialize shitkicker town is absolutely braindead. Especially considering that any successful leftist revolution requires some level of infiltration of the military rank and file as well as the officer class.
This dude is talking about what we can do in our everyday lives to make the troops feel better lmao
They're lucky they don't all get lined up dude, they deserve to feel bad forever ????
Damn, he even did a 'socialism is when us military'
Oh, it's Francis from Hell Of A Way To Die and Lions Led By Donkeys (sometimes)
Acid Marxist, you are a legend
I love when Chapo Boys tear apart Pro War media
I remember going to see this movie solely because it had a good trailer
I fine it hilarious that his friend killed him. Fuken funny shit.
A murderer killing a murderer is proper justice
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a etc. etc. u kno the rest, it’s the “good guy with a gun” quote that’s what I was going for ,
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@severalwolves The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is another bad guy with a gun having a PTSD-induced mental breakdown.
he got teamkilled
Who was the guest on this episode? I cannot find the original ep and hence description. Please and thanks!
Francis Horton
seems lots of war movies and made like "the style of the movie gives the viewer a real sense of what a shitshow the war was", but actually that just makes it a shitty movie
its a good thing Chris Kyle got geeked because the Trump Kyle alliance would be unstoppable
Who is the creepy commentating soldier in this ?jeez he made me shiver.
i fuckin hated him honestly, made me stop the episode halfway thru. im back to give it another try
Definitely watch generation kill to get a good idea of that era of the military
Listened to this twice and thought Francis was a brother for some reason
I actually appreciate that the military guy liked In The Army Now. That movie has always been a little bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I'd rather rewatch it than American Sniper, once was enough for that one
It's funny to watch Francis army guy try to get away from any talk about the military being bad. His thing about Felix being a writer and not a sniper was harious evidence that Felix poked too much fun at the boys in greeb
ISIS alternate jerseys are amazing.
We need a damn Simo Hayha movie
Syriana ep?
Guy talking interestingly about relevant real life experience:
Will: let me interrupt to talk about a scene I saw in a movie
Relatedly, Matt: spinning a piece of brilliant humorous historical analysis
Will: let me interrupt to urgently read out another sentence from this dumb op-ed
I mean we’re here to hear them talk about the movie not this guys over glorified desk job
They shouldn't have had that veteran guy there, it drags the episode, they act too respectful with him. I wanted them to torn apart this fucking movie, which is worse than 13 hours by far, at least that was funny
Yeah, he's a literal military apologist.
@@kazumahazeuzumaki so only get people on who agree with EVERYTHING we believe? 🙄
The guy tore apart Kyle. And the book. And the film.
There's a lot of vets who are now extremely critical of American foreign policy. We need them on our side.
Also this dude is just an army reservist Pog, he’s barely military.
@@LKeet6 Why? They're invaders, I don't give a fuck if they feel bad about it.
Nah man if you brag about covering up sex crimes, on minors especially you're a piece of shit and shouldn't be associated with. Sure politically don't alienate anti imperialist vets, a votes a vote. but that doesn't make chilling with a war crime cover up artist ok
There was a problem w my Patreon sub so I came here for my fix. I have headphones in at my shop job all day. The amount of commercial breaks is fucking insane. And not 15 second commercials- fucking 15 minute informercial bullshit.
honestly one of the most ridiculous film ever made.
25:21 lmfao
Typical American war film. Gone are the films like saving private Ryan or those brilliant European war films
Everyone at ITB had this book. So fucking annoying lmao.
What is the film the guest is recommending around the 4500 mark? Sounds a bit like "ristretto"
Restrepo
@@mintclassic Thx
hate on me if u want but this soldier dude is boring af and made this episode way less funny. constantly chiming in only to talk about his disgusting war stories, confirms every stereotype about army vet guys loll
Top Gun - Maverick?? When?!?!?
Jun 4, 2022 from episode 633.
@@redlightmax dude! thank you
lmao couldnt listen past the troop baby crying about how hard it was to pick out peanut butter boo hoo
Idk who this guest was but he was awesome
30:40
*snapper
Why did they have this guy on.
“Going to Iraq was morally ambiguous”
Clearly hasn’t deprogrammed well enough yet.
American Sniper is just a worse Shooter (2007)
Easily the worst chapo guest. Lol why did they think a troop would be a good fit for their show. He literally brought up Trump's draft dodging. Only lib poisoned operators (the worst kinds of people) care about that shit.