"I'm not the arbiter of morality or love" Ok and god is? "Yes done be created the universe and everything in it he decides what's good" Ok so consequences be damned the argument here is that might make right.
Your god was powerful enough to tell people not to wear mixed fabrics or eat shellfish, but thought slavery deserved rules and commanded it against non Hebrews. Right, got it. 🤔😏
Not just rules, rules that were less humane than the egyptians they had supposedly just left. Also less humane than the Achaemenid empire they had historically just left too. Its weird that the god looked at the nations around the area and said, 'my people should be more brutal to their slaves than surrounding people are.'
Pandaemonium, consecrated to vengeance, refutes God's mercy. Seriously, how do people not see this for what it is? It's just a desire for vengeance. At best, the Christian idea of hell is a crude and childish attempt to process the fact that sometimes people get away with terrible crimes. But most of the time it's just a way for especially loathsome members of the congregation to fantasise about the suffering of people they don't like. Nasty, mean-spirited stuff.
As a skeptic, I've learned that the most horrible, monstrous things in religion can be justified or rationalized.. if "God" did it. Because you know, "God" can't be wrong and he always has his reasons, that we pathetic humans just can't comprehend :-/ How dare we question.
Don't question the Supreme leader! He loves you so much, if you don't live him back, you'll burn forever! Now, decided if I'm talking about Kim Jong Il, or yahweh.
If Origen’s ideas of God and punishment had made it into mainstream Christianity, I might still be a Christian. The whole idea of hell as a place of eternal torture is anathema to a loving God.
There's a reference problem. This is John 4:8: (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) What does this have to do with torturing anybody? Clearly, they're referring to a different verse.
If you have heard the law you will be punished greater than if you have not. Hell was made for Satan and his angels who were in the presence of a perfect God and waged war against him an eternal decision. A God of perfect love is also a God of perfect judgement. You have heard the law and choose to deny Jesus who is the Christ the one born of Nazareth both fully God and man so you will be judged for that yes. Have a blessed day fam Jesus loves you ❤️
Yeah you are having a really tough time with this. No serial killer is in heaven and no child is in hell. Please read the Bible I would suggest the red letter portion of the New Testament it’s the direct words of Jesus you can read it in a few hrs and pray to God to reveal himself to you he will. Seek you will find Jesus loves you very much. If you have any questions anytime about scripture I would be happy to help you. ❤️
@@ShermanMays-fw8ko That wasn't an answer. How do you know your deity is the correct one out of the many deities over the thousands of years? Belief (faith) is not knowledge. Knowledge requires evidence.
God is not the arbiter of love either, love is a concept. One that does not need andy kind of creator, the vast majoriry of creatures on earth experience emotional concepts including love. What an absolute crock of shit. If man was created in Gods image there would be no need for other creatures to experience feelings of love, justice, jealousy.
While that's one interpretation, many Christians, especially in America, claim god to be an all loving entity. One with absolute love and morality, who makes the just punishment of eternal suffering
If you deny God yeah he isn’t going to reveal himself to you. Also the Bible says Hell was made for Satan and his angels. Jesus wants none to perish if you perish you choose to perish. He isn’t hidden all the 6 yr olds in the neighborhood have a personal relationship with Jesus and half of them can’t read. Ask and you will receive.
Multiple flaws in your argument. 1. Most atheists aren't close-minded and the atheists here are definitely not, they all sought God, so why in the world do you think they care and know so much, it was important to them, they sought and sought and sought and got nothing, it isn't that they don't seek, it's that God doesn't want to reveal himself to everyone. It's ridiculous to assume that everyone who doesn't believe hasn't sought, that's false. 2. "The Bible says", demonstrate that the Bible is real and reliable before using it. I can say reference any book I want to, it's only worth something if I can prove that the book is true. All the 6-year-olds in the neighborhood have imaginary friends, and using 6-year-olds as a basis is something even apologists don't dare to do, 6-year-olds do and say a lot of things, how are they all wrong but Jesus is right? By that logic, Rilo the Dragon is real too, maybe even Evena the Unicorn. No? Just Jesus right.
6yo believe there are monsters in their closet. They believe a fat dude in a red suit comes down the chimney and give them presents once a year. They believe if they jump just a little higher, they can catch the moon. Using that as your argument for the existence of God is even dumber than the kalam, watchmaker, and "look at the trees" combined.
All man needs to know is that hell is not a place they want to end up in and there is an easy way to avoid it. But no. Man wanted to measure every height, depth and breadth of God. Something that is impossible. But they insist on it despite being an exercise in futility and termed the whole deal “atheism”.
You're free to live in delusion but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to play along with your pathetic fairytale. Science outright disproves the Abrahamic God, i don't just lack belief in your God, I outright reject it. Its contradictory, makes zero sense and does not comport with reality.
@ freedom is a concept that exists because God is. Without God there is only randomness which is not freedom. Science is nothing but discovery of what already exists and sorting it out in systematic fashion. It can’t explain why life has to exist in a vast universe that is hostile to life and doesn’t need life for support. There are also pillars of science who believe in God: Pascal, Newton, Galileo etc. Darwin and Einstein are not the only real scientists just because they’re atheist. Frankly, atheism is man’s intellect eating up man himself. It is an exercise in futility, a waste of brain matter. Because God is unreal to atheism, then atheist exist because of an unreal cause. How pathetic of an existence that is.
This might seem fine on the surface, but it's ridiculous when you think about it. Firstly, if you just accept baseless claims like you're doing now, then there'd be plenty of things we wouldn't be allowed to do, thousands of religions have reasons to go to hell, instead of just accepting the premise, use an argument. Man is made curious, God did that, if God's camera shy, he shouldn't have made *some* humans logical and instead should've made worshipping slaves. But eh, God isn't like that is he? How could he have thought of the 2 important things I just mentioned? Oh right, he doesn't exist. Don't force your pathetic delusions and scare tactics on people around you and 100% not on innocent children, use argument don't reason with this kind of bul.
@ you exist in a shit pile and are so impotent to get out of it. That’s your reality. Your superior human intellect is rendered useless amidst a “delusional” society means your sense of reality is worthless. Your forebears are those who created wars and genocides under the guise of socialism, communism and whatever retarded ideology they have. Humanism is hypocritical. Atheism is a fad. “Oh, we didn’t say there is no God, we’re just so intellectually superior to the race that no amount of evidence or proof satisfies our super sophisticated brains.” So, no. I am not arguing, if you hadn’t noticed. Because no amount of scientific or philosophical method will ever prove that atheism exists. Atheism only exists if it’s inside theology. Is the A on Lgbtqia+ atheist? Naaaaah
Ha! Atheism is the answer to one, and only one question; do you believe in any god(s)? It's not a worldview, or a thought principle. It's one answer to one question.
@ShermanMays-fw8ko well he's the creator if he wants a personal relationship with me he would have one. I don't think you need to speak for god anymore. Things will only happen in accordance to his will there is nothing you could say to convince an athiest. It would require god to do that if he exists. Just keep it to yourself and let god do his thing.
Yeah I think I will keep sharing the good news fam and speaking for God. He came in the flesh and lived a perfect life he gave us a perfect book to live by he will fill you with his perfect spirit if you only ask him he became a perfect sacrifice so you no longer have to live in sin and he sends men like me directly to you and puts his words in our mouths to tell you that he loves you and wants a relationship with you.
No you are making a choice to deny God and choose your sin that’s all I am saying and sin leads to death. Please choose death you can ask me about Jesus or the Bible anytime?
@ShermanMays-fw8ko I just did that and nothing happened. He can have that relationship if he wants to like I just said my mind is open and I just asked but nothing happened.
Watching people talk about God and the Bible without the spirit of God is worse than watching a car drive with no gas. Yeah it doesn’t work it can’t it isn’t supposed to.
If you ask you will receive. If you accept Jesus as Lord and ask to be filled with his Holy Spirit you will be. If you choose this world over Jesus and don’t want a Heavenly Father and friend in Jesus Christ of Nazareth you aren’t gonna be filled with the spirit of God. You can’t have perfect love without free will choice. God will not force himself on anyone and you can’t understand God without the spirit of God. If you don’t want it you are not gonna get it yes that’s exactly how that works. You determine if you have the spirit of God or not that’s how good and gracious our God is ❤️
If you don’t want a relationship with God or want to make him Lord you can seek but you will not find and listen but you can’t hear and might end up thinking you came from a monkey or worse. Understand what I am saying no of course you don’t with love and respect. ❤️
Yes, morality is subjective, and God's one sucks.
That puts it mildly.
If hell is real, the being that created it should be its only occupant.
Absolutely.
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
What? *gets hit with a wrench*
If you can dodge a Dodge, you can have a ball at the ball while you ball a ball.
@happyninja42 if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a sound philosophical argument against god.
"I'm not the arbiter of morality or love"
Ok and god is?
"Yes done be created the universe and everything in it he decides what's good"
Ok so consequences be damned the argument here is that might make right.
Oh I got a good one.
"God's will be done or be damned"
Your god was powerful enough to tell people not to wear mixed fabrics or eat shellfish, but thought slavery deserved rules and commanded it against non Hebrews.
Right, got it. 🤔😏
Not just rules, rules that were less humane than the egyptians they had supposedly just left. Also less humane than the Achaemenid empire they had historically just left too. Its weird that the god looked at the nations around the area and said, 'my people should be more brutal to their slaves than surrounding people are.'
@@slickmcCool it's weird that god allowed slavery in the first place.
Pandaemonium, consecrated to vengeance, refutes God's mercy.
Seriously, how do people not see this for what it is? It's just a desire for vengeance. At best, the Christian idea of hell is a crude and childish attempt to process the fact that sometimes people get away with terrible crimes. But most of the time it's just a way for especially loathsome members of the congregation to fantasise about the suffering of people they don't like.
Nasty, mean-spirited stuff.
As a skeptic, I've learned that the most horrible, monstrous things in religion can be justified or rationalized.. if "God" did it. Because you know, "God" can't be wrong and he always has his reasons, that we pathetic humans just can't comprehend :-/
How dare we question.
Don't question the Supreme leader! He loves you so much, if you don't live him back, you'll burn forever!
Now, decided if I'm talking about Kim Jong Il, or yahweh.
If Origen’s ideas of God and punishment had made it into mainstream Christianity, I might still be a Christian. The whole idea of hell as a place of eternal torture is anathema to a loving God.
There's a reference problem. This is John 4:8:
(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
What does this have to do with torturing anybody? Clearly, they're referring to a different verse.
Stockholm syndrome, the only drug that god is down with.
Hypothetical: If a person never knew about one's specific deity, would that deity punish the person for not believing in the deity?
If you have heard the law you will be punished greater than if you have not. Hell was made for Satan and his angels who were in the presence of a perfect God and waged war against him an eternal decision. A God of perfect love is also a God of perfect judgement. You have heard the law and choose to deny Jesus who is the Christ the one born of Nazareth both fully God and man so you will be judged for that yes. Have a blessed day fam Jesus loves you ❤️
@ShermanMays-fw8ko "perfect judgement"... So, a serial killer is in heaven because of believing while a child is in hell for being skeptical?
Yeah you are having a really tough time with this. No serial killer is in heaven and no child is in hell. Please read the Bible I would suggest the red letter portion of the New Testament it’s the direct words of Jesus you can read it in a few hrs and pray to God to reveal himself to you he will. Seek you will find Jesus loves you very much. If you have any questions anytime about scripture I would be happy to help you. ❤️
@@ShermanMays-fw8ko That wasn't an answer.
How do you know your deity is the correct one out of the many deities over the thousands of years?
Belief (faith) is not knowledge. Knowledge requires evidence.
lol have a nice day thanks for the comment 😊❤️
I John 4:8. Not John 4:8.
God is not the arbiter of love either, love is a concept. One that does not need andy kind of creator, the vast majoriry of creatures on earth experience emotional concepts including love. What an absolute crock of shit. If man was created in Gods image there would be no need for other creatures to experience feelings of love, justice, jealousy.
While that's one interpretation, many Christians, especially in America, claim god to be an all loving entity. One with absolute love and morality, who makes the just punishment of eternal suffering
If you deny God yeah he isn’t going to reveal himself to you. Also the Bible says Hell was made for Satan and his angels. Jesus wants none to perish if you perish you choose to perish. He isn’t hidden all the 6 yr olds in the neighborhood have a personal relationship with Jesus and half of them can’t read. Ask and you will receive.
Multiple flaws in your argument.
1. Most atheists aren't close-minded and the atheists here are definitely not, they all sought God, so why in the world do you think they care and know so much, it was important to them, they sought and sought and sought and got nothing, it isn't that they don't seek, it's that God doesn't want to reveal himself to everyone. It's ridiculous to assume that everyone who doesn't believe hasn't sought, that's false.
2. "The Bible says", demonstrate that the Bible is real and reliable before using it. I can say reference any book I want to, it's only worth something if I can prove that the book is true. All the 6-year-olds in the neighborhood have imaginary friends, and using 6-year-olds as a basis is something even apologists don't dare to do, 6-year-olds do and say a lot of things, how are they all wrong but Jesus is right? By that logic, Rilo the Dragon is real too, maybe even Evena the Unicorn. No? Just Jesus right.
6yo believe there are monsters in their closet. They believe a fat dude in a red suit comes down the chimney and give them presents once a year. They believe if they jump just a little higher, they can catch the moon. Using that as your argument for the existence of God is even dumber than the kalam, watchmaker, and "look at the trees" combined.
Child indoctrination should be a crime. Critical thinking doesn't set in until 7. I wonder why it's all the 6 year olds...
Yall need to repent from your sin and accept Jesus Christ. The time is soon
Typical Christian scare tactics.
Cool. Lemme know how that goes in another 2000 years
All man needs to know is that hell is not a place they want to end up in and there is an easy way to avoid it. But no. Man wanted to measure every height, depth and breadth of God. Something that is impossible. But they insist on it despite being an exercise in futility and termed the whole deal “atheism”.
You're free to live in delusion but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to play along with your pathetic fairytale. Science outright disproves the Abrahamic God, i don't just lack belief in your God, I outright reject it. Its contradictory, makes zero sense and does not comport with reality.
@ freedom is a concept that exists because God is. Without God there is only randomness which is not freedom. Science is nothing but discovery of what already exists and sorting it out in systematic fashion. It can’t explain why life has to exist in a vast universe that is hostile to life and doesn’t need life for support. There are also pillars of science who believe in God: Pascal, Newton, Galileo etc.
Darwin and Einstein are not the only real scientists just because they’re atheist. Frankly, atheism is man’s intellect eating up man himself. It is an exercise in futility, a waste of brain matter. Because God is unreal to atheism, then atheist exist because of an unreal cause. How pathetic of an existence that is.
This might seem fine on the surface, but it's ridiculous when you think about it. Firstly, if you just accept baseless claims like you're doing now, then there'd be plenty of things we wouldn't be allowed to do, thousands of religions have reasons to go to hell, instead of just accepting the premise, use an argument. Man is made curious, God did that, if God's camera shy, he shouldn't have made *some* humans logical and instead should've made worshipping slaves. But eh, God isn't like that is he? How could he have thought of the 2 important things I just mentioned? Oh right, he doesn't exist. Don't force your pathetic delusions and scare tactics on people around you and 100% not on innocent children, use argument don't reason with this kind of bul.
@ you exist in a shit pile and are so impotent to get out of it. That’s your reality. Your superior human intellect is rendered useless amidst a “delusional” society means your sense of reality is worthless. Your forebears are those who created wars and genocides under the guise of socialism, communism and whatever retarded ideology they have. Humanism is hypocritical. Atheism is a fad. “Oh, we didn’t say there is no God, we’re just so intellectually superior to the race that no amount of evidence or proof satisfies our super sophisticated brains.”
So, no. I am not arguing, if you hadn’t noticed. Because no amount of scientific or philosophical method will ever prove that atheism exists. Atheism only exists if it’s inside theology. Is the A on Lgbtqia+ atheist? Naaaaah
Ha! Atheism is the answer to one, and only one question; do you believe in any god(s)?
It's not a worldview, or a thought principle. It's one answer to one question.
You have free will choice a relationship with the Father and eternal life or this filthy disgusting dying world and be a slave to your sin ❤️
@ShermanMays-fw8ko well he's the creator if he wants a personal relationship with me he would have one. I don't think you need to speak for god anymore. Things will only happen in accordance to his will there is nothing you could say to convince an athiest. It would require god to do that if he exists. Just keep it to yourself and let god do his thing.
@ShermanMays-fw8ko also what are you talking about being a slave to your own sin? If you don't sin, Jesus literally died for nothing.
Yeah I think I will keep sharing the good news fam and speaking for God. He came in the flesh and lived a perfect life he gave us a perfect book to live by he will fill you with his perfect spirit if you only ask him he became a perfect sacrifice so you no longer have to live in sin and he sends men like me directly to you and puts his words in our mouths to tell you that he loves you and wants a relationship with you.
No you are making a choice to deny God and choose your sin that’s all I am saying and sin leads to death. Please choose death you can ask me about Jesus or the Bible anytime?
@ShermanMays-fw8ko I just did that and nothing happened. He can have that relationship if he wants to like I just said my mind is open and I just asked but nothing happened.
Watching people talk about God and the Bible without the spirit of God is worse than watching a car drive with no gas. Yeah it doesn’t work it can’t it isn’t supposed to.
Who determines who does and doesn't have this "spirit of god"?
If you ask you will receive. If you accept Jesus as Lord and ask to be filled with his Holy Spirit you will be. If you choose this world over Jesus and don’t want a Heavenly Father and friend in Jesus Christ of Nazareth you aren’t gonna be filled with the spirit of God. You can’t have perfect love without free will choice. God will not force himself on anyone and you can’t understand God without the spirit of God. If you don’t want it you are not gonna get it yes that’s exactly how that works. You determine if you have the spirit of God or not that’s how good and gracious our God is ❤️
If you don’t want a relationship with God or want to make him Lord you can seek but you will not find and listen but you can’t hear and might end up thinking you came from a monkey or worse. Understand what I am saying no of course you don’t with love and respect. ❤️
@@ShermanMays-fw8ko I'll just wait until you answer my question. I don't need your sermon nor your preaching.
Free will choice