I would like applaud her parents and their achievements. They worked through adversity to enable this woman to flower. It is a tragedy that she is sidelined to the Lords. Alastair and Rory, thanks for another excellent podcast
Yeah it's impressive how they managed to become multi millionaire bed factory owners by undercutting their competitors with illegal Pakistani immigrant slave labourers working for peanuts and paying most of that back in rent for the slumlord properties they packed them into like human sardines eh 👍and how utterly ignorant about it you are
@@PoldarkGodzilla Tories and labour are proven authoritarian arseholes to me. Evil is inherent in that. Only difference at the moment is that Tories have been proven incompetent this time round and labour are presently untested. But speaking as a northerner who grew up in the 80s... I'm certainly not inclined to ever give Tories any benefit of the doubt, no. But warsi doesn't need benefit of the doubt cos she's always been fairly clear of thought and on the side of compassion - even when I disagree with her economic views. I equate the current Tory government with much evil. That's not the same as all Tories. And it definitely doesn't make me pro labour. And I don't know what any of that has to do with woke, both parties are unfeasibly censorious and thin skinned, I've no time for either of them and I've no time for identity politics whichever side of the made up fake divide you think I'm on.
@@PoldarkGodzillaI think most people on both sides are perfectly reasonable and have their own reasons for believing what they believe... the problem is extremists on both sides are often the loudest and unfortunately end up defining each party
What a precious woman, I wished we had others in our parliament as intelligent, as courageous as miss Warsi. We are proud of you. Good luck and best wishes.
England is a mess. If the economy goes down the pan and benefits end the way they did in Greece, the divisions will become very pronounced. We are in huge trouble really.
This is a great barometer to show how far to the right the Conservatives and British politics in general has accelerated to the right. Baroness Warsi was once considered on the right of our politics, now she appears way over on the left of our politics and we are the poorer that she is no longer in the centre of our politics. Rational, informed and reasonable.
Oh for gods sake 😂 talk about being in a bubble 😂😂 tories are still very liberal and not a Tory party , the demos for Palestine are chilling and highlight a failure of multi culturalism and the lunacy of the hard left ! People were protesting even when Israel hadn’t even responded
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I learned more about Baroness Warsi from this talk than ever before, so much better in the small studio space that hearing her, and her opponents speaking to the crowd. I felt she was a lot kinder about Cameron than I can be. She is definitely a part of the solution working against the problem, the problem in Britain.
Listening to these three, you are hearing the voices of reason. It's very comforting to hear people in the public domain being so fair minded. Very impressive conversation.
Another great example of why I love this programme; proper, grown-up discussion between thoughtful individuals who actually listen to each other (and are well informed). Gents, I applaud you and your very well chosen, wonderful guests! As Arnie said “keep up the good work guys, thank you, I’m proud of you”.
After listening to the Baroness I as a Muslim understand exactly how she feels. No matter how much she will or did try she will always be the other. We are not the same colour as Douglas Murray !!
As the world runs out of fuel, England is going to go to dust. The only reason we don't have massive ethnic problems in England, is there is enough money in the system to keep people happy on benefits. You will see this all disappear and then find out what a struggle multicultural societies really are.
A beacon of hope to all those who think that each of those things being negative - the combination of afflictions must be insurmountable. Perhaps the two negatives multiply to give a positive?
Good that there's Muslim women out there speaking/confident. Something her (my generation) had to battle against from OUR OWN communities. Now people are applauding women speaking out. 😂
I have always found Baroness Warsi to be a very measured and emotionally intelligent woman. She has a very firm grip on the law and tries her hardest to challenge polarised views.
@@jasonburder3963why consider a hypothetical when she's British and she cares about this country? That's all that matters. You've got to learn to live in the real world mate.
I would never normally consider voting Conservative, but when the most intelligent people in this podcast are smart, intelligent, empathic, and rational if they were running the party I would seriously consider voting for them. Great podcast!!
Baroness Warsi is an absolute credit to her parents. She's also a precious asset to Britain and really should be heard more often. More and more people like her, with the ability to reason, demonstrate why we need to dispense with the party system and adopt proportional representation. Imagine a cabinet formed of people from both left and right based on integrity and a desire to create policy based on clear thinking and what is right for the country and all its people.
She said herself her parents kept having children because they wanted a male heir!! Did they appreciate her or accept it as second best in the absence of a male who could make them really proud?
@@jasonburder3963 Her parents longing for male offspring seemed natural to me though.E.g like her grandfather and father worked in the military for it's natural for them to want that male representation in the military.
Thanks for bringing a guest who is rationale, respectful, courageous and articulate. I as a Pakistani living in southern hemisphere feel so in line with her views. Muslims, Jews, Hindus or any other people from other religions living anywhere in the world should not be subject to hate speech or persecution from any sect. One need to remember this conflict is at the government level fueled by certain governments and same governments want to divide their own populations for their own twisted agenda. Please don’t fall for that.
What an intelligent and thoughtful lady Sayeeda Warsi truly is, when you look at the current crop of the conservative government you can clearly see they are scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's a sad truism that the longer a party stays in power the quality of the talent gets burned up.
As doubtless, we will see in the Labour ranks over the next few years. The days of educated and informed politician's with a decent moral,compass have long gone
Baroness Warsi is so inspiring! Honesty, integrity, bravery, compassion. If only more politicians could be like her the world would be a much better place. The idea of having a forum where Jews and Muslims can discuss things is really important and I hope this gets underway. I too think a two state solution has become a red herring. It would be too traumatic to settlers to set up in any meaningful way. Partitions rarely work. A one state solutions that enshrines the right of return for both parties may be possible?
The state of isreal was formed to crush Palestinians and rewrite history. Nobody in isreaki politics nor kneaded believes in a 2 state solution. Read the likud parties manifesto, they want the whole land of Palestine.
Totally agree with the Baroness ; we have echoed these sentiments on our dinner table for the last 10 years . As Muslims we increasingly feel isolated, silenced and unable to voice our concerns. It is almost accepted to treat Muslims as second class citizens in the UK partly because there is less likelihood of consequences due to the rise of Islamophobia worldwide
Very down to earth and intelligent woman. As someone who is not only Muslim but who is from the north and from a working-class background, she probably has (the potential for) wider reach and the ability to connect to and understand the masses of ordinary people in this country. We need more people like her in politics, and in Cabinet roles, and less people like Rory - who, as much as I do indeed like the chap, is unable to connect to and understand the majority of ordinary Brits.
Matt Goodwin is awesome as well and highlights a neo liberal malaise at the top of politics and that includes labour … most people for instance want net migration to be lowered , tax’s lowered and nhs reform
Wow. I find little hope in our world so this conversation has been so important. I fear nationalism but there is hope for us if we can embrace our diversity. Wonderful people.
British culture and customs cannot be allowed to become the minority. Diversity is OK to an extent. But this is England first and foremost. If it is not working then mass immigration must be slowed right down.
Rory and Alastair combo is an awesome tango! Love you guys for bringing clarity, wit and smiles to so many of us! Bringing communities together the way you’re doing is so inspiring, please continue on your quest as mere mortals like us need this to make sense of the world. Love from Bangladesh! ♥️♥️
What a brilliant, informed and intelligent person and a demonstration of how far the Tory Party has fallen…. Imagine Truss, Mogg, Johnson, Coffey, Keegan (I could go on) ever being able to speak so eloquently and engagingly….
Salute you Sister - yet again a wonderfully balanced interview of such a sensitive and contentious subject in these very dark and troubled times - hats off again love and Peace the self confessed groupie X
@@PoldarkGodzilla in what respect is she wrong? Did you even bother to listen to her interview in full? Also you referred to "unproved attacks" . What is unproven about the attacks? Or did you mean unprovoked?
As an Israeli, I want to commend Sayeeda for her insightful understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is often rare among foreign politicians. While I also support the two-state solution, I'd like to highlight a specific obstacle not covered in her talk. To simplify the matter, there are two primary concerns in Israel regarding this issue, each potentially pointing to a different solution. The first, which supports a two-state solution, as Sayeeda explained, is the fear that annexing the West Bank and reoccupying Gaza could jeopardize Israel's status as a Jewish state. The second concern, leaning toward a one-state solution, relates to the potential of a weak palestinian state becoming a terror state in the West Bank, akin to the one in Gaza. This fear is rooted in the 2006 experience in Gaza when Hamas won elections, used its power to undermine democracy in the Gaza Strip and started posing a direct threat to Israel. To understand the gravity of this concern, consider the scenario where a situation like the one in Gaza unfolds from the West Bank, if in the not so populated south Hamas massacred 1,400 and took more than 200 civilians hostage, what might happen if terrorists would breach the borders near major cities like Tel Aviv, Kfar Saba, Herzeliya, and others which are much more densely populated. This issue represents a significant fear among Israelis regarding the conflict. If not for this fear, many on the right in Israel would probably support a two-state solution. While I'm not a historian, feel free to ask me about the conflict or the situation that happens now in Israel, I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.
Ultimately, the Palestinians are being occupied by the Israelis who seem hell bent on expanding settlements and deleting Palestine. The Israeli people who I'm told are some of the smartest in the world, should have surely anticipated that an oppressed population will keep resisting? I cannot stress the importance of common sense: Stop occupying Palestine.
And how has Israel’s policies provided security for its citizens? Commit to peace and you shall have security but instead, your nation has chosen expansion and the continued dispossession and expulsion of Palestinians. Denying them the same rights you enjoy due to ethnicity. A legal system that discriminates them. 2006 Hamas elections - what a fairy tale you have woven there. Your country along with the US tried to engineer a coup for the PA to oust Hamas and Hamas foiled that attempt. Your nation repeats the slogan that there is no partner for peace while it continues to expand settlements. Your nation has no interest in a 2 state solution.
As it has been previously stated many times regarding Israel. You can either have a Jevvish state or a democratic state, but you cannot have both. This is why calling Israel the only Democracy in the Middle East, is like calling George W. Bush, a Compassionate Conservative.
@@narmi218 Hi, sorry it took so long to answer, I agree with you that in the last couple of years we had shit governments (mostly) but you cant deny that we really tried to strive for peace, you have 3 pretty recent examples with the giving of the Gaza strip, Ehud Barak's offer and Ehud Olmert's offer. So I think that saying that we dont have peace because we didnt try is just objectively wrong.
@@mangonamnam6855 you say couple of years but then refer back to recent so called peace attempts which actually go back to 2008, 15 years ago. And that striving for peace as you call it such as unilaterally leaving Gaza in 2006 but still controlling it externally by land air and sea. Olmert’s 2008 unilateral plan to annex most of the settlements in the West Bank. Ehud baraks peace plan where shlomo ben Ami the foreign mister at the time admitted himself that had he been Palestinian, he too would have rejected it. While all at the same time, the approval and expansion of further settlements continued. This is not striving for peace but subjecting the Palestinians to accepting scraps. Talk about peace while gobbling up all the pizza slices and throwing the scraps to the Palestinians. What did the PA in the West Bank get in return for denouncing violence, giving up armed resistance and recognizing the state of Israel. Did they get peace in the West Bank or are you going to blame that on Hamas too?
Brilliant. Perhaps the best I’ve heard you guys interview. Hands off has power. Mutual respect. So informative, but the key is 3 people talking intelligently about the current situation. Thank you.
Cannot abide most Tories, but BSW is clearly a decent skin; intelligent, thoughtful, authentic and just simply likeable. To me she seems like someone who is telling the truth; albeit her truth. And I've always thought so, even a decade ago when she was in Smarmy Cameron's government. She is simply a credible character. And I say this without agreeing with her on policy issues much at all. She is clearly a person of character: most people in her situation in 2014 would go along to get along; but she didn't; she walked away from a Cabinet seat and a promising career because she genuinely stands for something. I really respect that.
Her framing of the Middle East conflict is very balanced and she may be the ONLY public figure I have heard speak about Likud and their policy towards Hamas. Thank you.
The interview I really needed at this dire time. A sane and intelligent voice on the Middle East- thank you BV you have a new fan… please speak more and get yourself in a diplomatic position
Sayeeda Warsi is a rare example of a conservative politician who still has some dignity and integrity. What a great British Pakistani Muslim women who comes from the north and an immigrant family. Speaks so well and is fair and honest
I am a Labour Party member but I like her. Baroness Warsi is intelligent and comes across as a good person. I’ve also seen her on have I got news for you and she was great unlike most politicians she has a sense of humour and laughs at jokes about her own side as well as making a few herself.
I've never thought very highly of Saeeydan as a left leaning doctor of 25 years who was lucky enough to come from a poor background but with the benefit of fantastic parents in northern England and a comprehensive education prior to funding cuts amd the introduction of tuition fees. I see and understand the struggles of people from all ethnicities who I look after at work every day who are less fortunate than I have been and my heart is filled with sadness and anger after so many years of damaging Tory leadership. Having listened to this podcast however, I have a new found respect for her. Thank you for this podcast. It is an absolute gem. Rory, I am a left winger through and through but still believe you were the best PM we never had. Openness, lack of ego, integrity, fairness, a superb knowledge base and intelligence are a rare and precious thing.
This is such a awesome podcast it has recently become one of my favorites this woman was brilliant I'm Canadian I don't know much about British politics but I've become a fan of Rory Stewart and now this podcast she is so smart and watching this interview from 9 months ago was very interesting because things have changed a bit and how the world looks at Israel what a wonderful woman I will have to search more on her so interesting that she picked up her interest in politics from the dinner table when she was a little girl play experience the exact same thing in Canada even the 5-year-old at our table had a right to their opinion it was glorious thank you to my dad
Idk what the popularity of this channel is by country, but for non-Americans and Americans that might not be familiar, look up Ben Ferencz. He was one of the prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials and one of the founding fathers of the International Criminal Court. His passion for international law and accountability was incredible. He passed away in April of this year and the world would do well to embrace his legacy.
She's such a role model, deep down I admire this women. I have seen her twice now in person.....i didnt bother her at all the first time but most recently in a Atif Aslam concert in London and even as a nearly-40 year old, bold, bulky, Alpha, I felt jittery and captured by Gravitas.....this is someone immune to being starstruck ...I don't get phased at all.All I could say was, I am a huge fan of your work and she politely nodded in acknowledgement with a smile. She commands the room without a word being spoken, intelligence resonates from her body language......btw Sadiq Khan was there sat literally 2 seat ahead of us, zero charm, no personna or presence...total plonka.
I found Rory's question regarding collective empathy quite interesting. I think most of us, including myself, would like to believe that we live in a world that is able to collectivly condemn and collectively empathise regardless of how it potentially conflicts with our own notions of identity or political opinions. As Sayeeda said, "us and them". In the last couple of years I've lost all hope of that. It's not just Braverman's politicisation of the police force which is undoubtedly undermining the need to restore faith and trust in the force. It's the way you can't have a conversation now without being accused of harbouring a dividing motive.
Very interesting interview with a woman I’ve always greatly respected for standing up for women’s and minorities rights. It’s always puzzled me that she has supported Conservatism. because it seems so very alien to so many of her principles. As for Conservatives wanting the ‘low state involvement’ and low taxation, it’s always ‘fine’ with them until they realise that the services formerly provided by the state and moved to the private sector are no longer so well provided for and/or, it actually costs more for the private sector to provide because the profit maximisation objectives of private companies. E.g. prisons, social care, privatised railways etc. always comes first.
There are many great things that these podcasts achieve, one is to open the door on the thinking people that are in all the key parties. We may disagree but it helps a lot to understand the other. Tribal politics is deadly for the nation. That is statement literally the situation.
Baroness Warsi has previously mentioned she believes we need more religion in society. My view is the opposite and a free secular society is preferable to a theocratic one with religious clerics in positions of power.
Being a black man in Britain (that doesnt vote Conservative btw) i totally get what she means about labour (and the left in general) when it comes to dealing with race... it feels unauthentic.. like theyd prefer to speak for you instead of you speaking for yourself...
An eloquent communicator with a fascinating and heartening story of success! Immensely appreciated her frankness. Would be nice to hear more about Islam of 10-12th century. Ibn sina - al farabi- al Ghazali- Ahmad Al-Beyrûnî whose contribution to science and religion is equal to great scholars of history One minor note. Minute 42:40 Rory expressed deep appreciation for Sayeeda being ‘incredibly well informed position’ regarding peace talks. Yet, her claim 36:23 ‘hasn’t been a series peace deal on the table since then.’ Perhaps you could address added depth to this point. In 2000, according to Nathan Thrall, Palestinians were offered 91% of West Bank and around 86% in practise with East Jerusalem’s most non Jewish populated areas which Arafat rejected. A minor but significant point. In 2007/2008, ehud Olmert reportedly met Abbas 36 times (hardly representative of no peace talk). In 2007, Olmert sat with the Arab League for more discussions. That failure helped lead to the plot between Fatah and Hamas. Sorry for the length but Rory is an erudite scholar and his point was politely generous.
Very informative interview, and it's always refreshing to hear civilised conversation. Sad to hear about Douglas Murray's views on Baroness Warsi. I normally like what he has to say.
Absolutely fascinating woman and her views marginalized by a government and opposition only interested in Israel's right to defend herself. Impressed they didn't ask her to condemn Hamas multiple times before they allowed her to speak. Please interview Jenny Mason from Jewish Voice for Labour also. You may then talk about the weaponisation of anti-Semitism and how successfully criticism of the state of Israel has been completely silenced.
We need so many more Sayeeda Warsi's in our politics. It's wonderfully refreshing, and painfully rare, to hear amazing insight alongside thoughtful balanced views based on solid evidence. On a daily basis, I find it so depressing to hear much of the UK's political rhetoric which is quite the opposite, and this podcast has left me energised and in some way a little more hopeful. Many thanks to Sayeeda, Rory and Alastair.
What about all the rest of us! ? Nothing matters to her and all Muslims but Muslims! I have only heard her speak about Muslims! Or slagging of Suella Braverman. She mentions all awful remainers! Like her.
What a wonderful politician - sincere decent intelligent - I’d be a Tory if she was representative of them and is the perfect balanced person to help resolve Israeli / Gaza conflict - thanks for a great podcast
I would like applaud her parents and their achievements. They worked through adversity to enable this woman to flower. It is a tragedy that she is sidelined to the Lords. Alastair and Rory, thanks for another excellent podcast
Yeah it's impressive how they managed to become multi millionaire bed factory owners by undercutting their competitors with illegal Pakistani immigrant slave labourers working for peanuts and paying most of that back in rent for the slumlord properties they packed them into like human sardines eh 👍and how utterly ignorant about it you are
Weeds is what she grows
Baroness Warsi is a gem. Truly a conservative that I can listen to... and they seem to be thin on the ground these days.
I always wonder if you can be semi new conservative without being morally curropted. She is an a true example!
@@sareedoahmed1751what bs do you talk 😂
Very thin
Ahh, Baroness Warsi. So reasonable, funny and northern that I frequently entirely forget she's a conservative.
Are tories evil to you ? I thought all labour were woke , riddled with identity politics and had trouble calling out anti semitism
@@PoldarkGodzilla Tories and labour are proven authoritarian arseholes to me. Evil is inherent in that. Only difference at the moment is that Tories have been proven incompetent this time round and labour are presently untested.
But speaking as a northerner who grew up in the 80s... I'm certainly not inclined to ever give Tories any benefit of the doubt, no.
But warsi doesn't need benefit of the doubt cos she's always been fairly clear of thought and on the side of compassion - even when I disagree with her economic views.
I equate the current Tory government with much evil. That's not the same as all Tories.
And it definitely doesn't make me pro labour.
And I don't know what any of that has to do with woke, both parties are unfeasibly censorious and thin skinned, I've no time for either of them and I've no time for identity politics whichever side of the made up fake divide you think I'm on.
@@PoldarkGodzillaI think most people on both sides are perfectly reasonable and have their own reasons for believing what they believe... the problem is extremists on both sides are often the loudest and unfortunately end up defining each party
You mean racism
She has many qualities
What kind of country do we live in when we don’t have a women like Baroness Varsi at the heart of gonernment. Superb interview
What a precious woman, I wished we had others in our parliament as intelligent, as courageous as miss Warsi. We are proud of you. Good luck and best wishes.
England is a mess. If the economy goes down the pan and benefits end the way they did in Greece, the divisions will become very pronounced. We are in huge trouble really.
This is a great barometer to show how far to the right the Conservatives and British politics in general has accelerated to the right. Baroness Warsi was once considered on the right of our politics, now she appears way over on the left of our politics and we are the poorer that she is no longer in the centre of our politics.
Rational, informed and reasonable.
Oh for gods sake 😂 talk about being in a bubble 😂😂 tories are still very liberal and not a Tory party , the demos for Palestine are chilling and highlight a failure of multi culturalism and the lunacy of the hard left ! People were protesting even when Israel hadn’t even responded
Absolutely spot on
So true.
Crap..centre is where Reform is
It was a pleasure to listen to this well informed, thoughtful and balanced discussion.
Absolutely riveting. Thank you so much to Alastair, Rory and especially Baroness Warsi for such an informative and enjoyable 47+ minutes.
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I learned more about Baroness Warsi from this talk than ever before, so much better in the small studio space that hearing her, and her opponents speaking to the crowd. I felt she was a lot kinder about Cameron than I can be. She is definitely a part of the solution working against the problem, the problem in Britain.
Baroness Warsi is a revelation. Thank you for your insights.
Baroness Warsi, proving and reminding us that Conservative politicians don't have to be like the toe rags we have in office presently...
What a refreshingly intelligent conversation. We need these grown ups in government.
Spot on!
No we do not - they all had their chance and they were utterly useless...
@@NoName-cu4gr nowhere near the level of uselessness of the current shower
Listening to these three, you are hearing the voices of reason. It's very comforting to hear people in the public domain being so fair minded. Very impressive conversation.
Absolutely but it also shines a light on the disgusting elements of the media and politics that are damaging the country.
voice of t reason? Agreed!
One of my favourite MP’s even though she is a Tory. She has compassion and kindness and would be an asset for any Government.
It’s a sad state when you can count them on your hand.
I can just name Rory and Sayeeda from the new generation. Are there any more?
Another great example of why I love this programme; proper, grown-up discussion between thoughtful individuals who actually listen to each other (and are well informed).
Gents, I applaud you and your very well chosen, wonderful guests! As Arnie said “keep up the good work guys, thank you, I’m proud of you”.
She is a gem and should be in the heart of British politics.
Impressed with Ms Warsi it is a pity we do not see her more often on mainstream media
Baroness Warsi is an incredible leading voice in this country
After listening to the Baroness I as a Muslim understand exactly how she feels. No matter how much she will or did try she will always be the other. We are not the same colour as Douglas Murray !!
As also a British, Pakistani Muslim... My God she's a beacon of hope.
As the world runs out of fuel, England is going to go to dust. The only reason we don't have massive ethnic problems in England, is there is enough money in the system to keep people happy on benefits. You will see this all disappear and then find out what a struggle multicultural societies really are.
You are kidding yourself!🙏🏻💜🇬🇧💜🌏💜
A beacon of hope to all those who think that each of those things being negative - the combination of afflictions must be insurmountable. Perhaps the two negatives multiply to give a positive?
Good that there's Muslim women out there speaking/confident. Something her (my generation) had to battle against from OUR OWN communities. Now people are applauding women speaking out. 😂
@@Flowerwork7Seraphinepls enlighten us?
I have always found Baroness Warsi to be a very measured and emotionally intelligent woman. She has a very firm grip on the law and tries her hardest to challenge polarised views.
A superb, thoughtful & intelligent lady....just what is missing from government.
Well said 😊
Plus integrity aplenty
My question is if she was born and raised in a Muslim country would she be allowed to have a voice?
@jasonburder3963 Such a silly question And what you be doing to remember All those who died in war going to the pub
@@jasonburder3963why consider a hypothetical when she's British and she cares about this country? That's all that matters. You've got to learn to live in the real world mate.
Such a brave, eloquent and authentic woman!
Great work guys 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
She is quite right about totalitarianism in the UK. If not yet, we are heading towards it.
My respect to Baroness Warsi
What a remarkable lady
I will go and buy her book
Voice of reason .
I am no tory and a staunch labour supporter. However, any government should listen to Baroness Warsi who's insights are so important.
She is so needed on the international stage
Respect to Baroness Warsi.
The best ever interview 👏👏very interesting saeda warsi makes me proud as Muslim and as British , god bless you 👏👏👏
I would never normally consider voting Conservative, but when the most intelligent people in this podcast are smart, intelligent, empathic, and rational if they were running the party I would seriously consider voting for them. Great podcast!!
But Dave this TORY and Labour parties have turned into Fascists
None of these people are MPs, so it's a no vote. Sunak and Braverman lead the Tories right now
So, based on 2 people coming over as intelligent you decided to vote for a party that has systematically fucked this country... I have no words.
Allister isn’t conservative
@@mohammedm9473 He's certainly right of center.
Baroness Warsi is an absolute credit to her parents. She's also a precious asset to Britain and really should be heard more often. More and more people like her, with the ability to reason, demonstrate why we need to dispense with the party system and adopt proportional representation. Imagine a cabinet formed of people from both left and right based on integrity and a desire to create policy based on clear thinking and what is right for the country and all its people.
She said herself her parents kept having children because they wanted a male heir!! Did they appreciate her or accept it as second best in the absence of a male who could make them really proud?
@@jasonburder3963
Her parents longing for male offspring seemed natural to me though.E.g like her grandfather and father worked in the military for it's natural for them to want that male representation in the military.
Thanks for bringing a guest who is rationale, respectful, courageous and articulate. I as a Pakistani living in southern hemisphere feel so in line with her views. Muslims, Jews, Hindus or any other people from other religions living anywhere in the world should not be subject to hate speech or persecution from any sect. One need to remember this conflict is at the government level fueled by certain governments and same governments want to divide their own populations for their own twisted agenda. Please don’t fall for that.
I was born in Africa and realised long ago that prejudice and racism and stereotyping are dangerous especially under the radar ...
What an intelligent and thoughtful lady Sayeeda Warsi truly is, when you look at the current crop of the conservative government you can clearly see they are scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's a sad truism that the longer a party stays in power the quality of the talent gets burned up.
As doubtless, we will see in the Labour ranks over the next few years. The days of educated and informed politician's with a decent moral,compass have long gone
Baroness Warsi is so inspiring! Honesty, integrity, bravery, compassion. If only more politicians could be like her the world would be a much better place. The idea of having a forum where Jews and Muslims can discuss things is really important and I hope this gets underway. I too think a two state solution has become a red herring. It would be too traumatic to settlers to set up in any meaningful way. Partitions rarely work. A one state solutions that enshrines the right of return for both parties may be possible?
The state of isreal was formed to crush Palestinians and rewrite history. Nobody in isreaki politics nor kneaded believes in a 2 state solution. Read the likud parties manifesto, they want the whole land of Palestine.
Totally agree with the Baroness ; we have echoed these sentiments on our dinner table for the last 10 years . As Muslims we increasingly feel isolated, silenced and unable to voice our concerns. It is almost accepted to treat Muslims as second class citizens in the UK partly because there is less likelihood of consequences due to the rise of Islamophobia worldwide
Bless you both, thanks for your openness and decency in these conversations - including having them in the first place. Bless you also Sayeeda, Ameen.
Sayeeda Warsi is so reasoned, principled and caring, it's encouraging that there are people like her around the corridors of power.
Very down to earth and intelligent woman. As someone who is not only Muslim but who is from the north and from a working-class background, she probably has (the potential for) wider reach and the ability to connect to and understand the masses of ordinary people in this country. We need more people like her in politics, and in Cabinet roles, and less people like Rory - who, as much as I do indeed like the chap, is unable to connect to and understand the majority of ordinary Brits.
Matt Goodwin is awesome as well and highlights a neo liberal malaise at the top of politics and that includes labour … most people for instance want net migration to be lowered , tax’s lowered and nhs reform
Wow. I find little hope in our world so this conversation has been so important. I fear nationalism but there is hope for us if we can embrace our diversity. Wonderful people.
British culture and customs cannot be allowed to become the minority. Diversity is OK to an extent. But this is England first and foremost. If it is not working then mass immigration must be slowed right down.
This video makes a nice change from the racist and Nationalist cess pit to be found on so many other videos.
An immensely enjoyable episode even when the discussion inevitably turned to current events that are very heavy.
Rory and Alastair combo is an awesome tango! Love you guys for bringing clarity, wit and smiles to so many of us!
Bringing communities together the way you’re doing is so inspiring, please continue on your quest as mere mortals like us need this to make sense of the world.
Love from Bangladesh! ♥️♥️
The baroness should have her own podcast …she is a brilliant analyst
What a brilliant, informed and intelligent person and a demonstration of how far the Tory Party has fallen…. Imagine Truss, Mogg, Johnson, Coffey, Keegan (I could go on) ever being able to speak so eloquently and engagingly….
What an educational interview by Sayeeda Warsi... May God bless you and protect you.
Excellent , Educated conversation between the three.
Sayeeda gets my vote, well balanced views are always appreciated well said
Salute you Sister - yet again a wonderfully balanced interview of such a sensitive and contentious subject in these very dark and troubled times - hats off again love and Peace the self confessed groupie X
What a fine woman. She is astute about ... everything. Amazing podcast. Thank you
Baroness Warsi is ANOTHER intelligent and reasonable person in the political sphere. It's such a shame people like her are on the sidelines.
Because she is wrong , how would you respond to
1400 of your civilians being killed in an unproved attack ?
@@PoldarkGodzilla in what respect is she wrong? Did you even bother to listen to her interview in full?
Also you referred to "unproved attacks" . What is unproven about the attacks? Or did you mean unprovoked?
@@PoldarkGodzillanot with a war crime. That is never the answer.
@poldarkgoedzilla, it was, neither unproven nor unprovoked. It happened and the underlying issue has been going on for 75 years.
Definitely worth listening . An outspoken lady who has strong believes and views and holds on to them and rightly so. Well done to her !
I've heard her speak few times, on screen, she certainly comes across as the few sane voices left in British politics.
One of the best interviews…well informed and constructive
As an Israeli, I want to commend Sayeeda for her insightful understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is often rare among foreign politicians. While I also support the two-state solution, I'd like to highlight a specific obstacle not covered in her talk.
To simplify the matter, there are two primary concerns in Israel regarding this issue, each potentially pointing to a different solution. The first, which supports a two-state solution, as Sayeeda explained, is the fear that annexing the West Bank and reoccupying Gaza could jeopardize Israel's status as a Jewish state.
The second concern, leaning toward a one-state solution, relates to the potential of a weak palestinian state becoming a terror state in the West Bank, akin to the one in Gaza. This fear is rooted in the 2006 experience in Gaza when Hamas won elections, used its power to undermine democracy in the Gaza Strip and started posing a direct threat to Israel.
To understand the gravity of this concern, consider the scenario where a situation like the one in Gaza unfolds from the West Bank, if in the not so populated south Hamas massacred 1,400 and took more than 200 civilians hostage, what might happen if terrorists would breach the borders near major cities like Tel Aviv, Kfar Saba, Herzeliya, and others which are much more densely populated.
This issue represents a significant fear among Israelis regarding the conflict. If not for this fear, many on the right in Israel would probably support a two-state solution. While I'm not a historian, feel free to ask me about the conflict or the situation that happens now in Israel, I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.
Ultimately, the Palestinians are being occupied by the Israelis who seem hell bent on expanding settlements and deleting Palestine. The Israeli people who I'm told are some of the smartest in the world, should have surely anticipated that an oppressed population will keep resisting?
I cannot stress the importance of common sense: Stop occupying Palestine.
And how has Israel’s policies provided security for its citizens? Commit to peace and you shall have security but instead, your nation has chosen expansion and the continued dispossession and expulsion of Palestinians. Denying them the same rights you enjoy due to ethnicity. A legal system that discriminates them. 2006 Hamas elections - what a fairy tale you have woven there. Your country along with the US tried to engineer a coup for the PA to oust Hamas and Hamas foiled that attempt. Your nation repeats the slogan that there is no partner for peace while it continues to expand settlements. Your nation has no interest in a 2 state solution.
As it has been previously stated many times regarding Israel. You can either have a Jevvish state or a democratic state, but you cannot have both.
This is why calling Israel the only Democracy in the Middle East, is like calling George W. Bush, a Compassionate Conservative.
@@narmi218 Hi, sorry it took so long to answer, I agree with you that in the last couple of years we had shit governments (mostly) but you cant deny that we really tried to strive for peace, you have 3 pretty recent examples with the giving of the Gaza strip, Ehud Barak's offer and Ehud Olmert's offer. So I think that saying that we dont have peace because we didnt try is just objectively wrong.
@@mangonamnam6855 you say couple of years but then refer back to recent so called peace attempts which actually go back to 2008, 15 years ago. And that striving for peace as you call it such as unilaterally leaving Gaza in 2006 but still controlling it externally by land air and sea. Olmert’s 2008 unilateral plan to annex most of the settlements in the West Bank. Ehud baraks peace plan where shlomo ben Ami the foreign mister at the time admitted himself that had he been Palestinian, he too would have rejected it. While all at the same time, the approval and expansion of further settlements continued. This is not striving for peace but subjecting the Palestinians to accepting scraps. Talk about peace while gobbling up all the pizza slices and throwing the scraps to the Palestinians. What did the PA in the West Bank get in return for denouncing violence, giving up armed resistance and recognizing the state of Israel. Did they get peace in the West Bank or are you going to blame that on Hamas too?
Brilliant. Perhaps the best I’ve heard you guys interview. Hands off has power. Mutual respect.
So informative, but the key is 3 people talking intelligently about the current situation. Thank you.
So intelligent and well spoken woman unlike Suella❤
A very wise and down to earth lady.
This channel is absolutely essential, now more than ever.
Sayeeda is awesome. What an insightful discussion.
Cannot abide most Tories, but BSW is clearly a decent skin; intelligent, thoughtful, authentic and just simply likeable. To me she seems like someone who is telling the truth; albeit her truth. And I've always thought so, even a decade ago when she was in Smarmy Cameron's government. She is simply a credible character. And I say this without agreeing with her on policy issues much at all. She is clearly a person of character: most people in her situation in 2014 would go along to get along; but she didn't; she walked away from a Cabinet seat and a promising career because she genuinely stands for something. I really respect that.
Love these interviews. You guys are awesome
Her framing of the Middle East conflict is very balanced and she may be the ONLY public figure I have heard speak about Likud and their policy towards Hamas. Thank you.
The interview I really needed at this dire time. A sane and intelligent voice on the Middle East- thank you BV you have a new fan… please speak more and get yourself in a diplomatic position
A great interview with somebody I have always admired.
A voice of sanity and balance. Why can't Baroness Warsi be in the cabinet now?
She is in my "fantasy cabinet"
She’s a Tory.
Sayeeda Warsi is a rare example of a conservative politician who still has some dignity and integrity. What a great British Pakistani Muslim women who comes from the north and an immigrant family. Speaks so well and is fair and honest
I am a Labour Party member but I like her.
Baroness Warsi is intelligent and comes across as a good person.
I’ve also seen her on have I got news for you and she was great unlike most politicians she has a sense of humour and laughs at jokes about her own side as well as making a few herself.
You support Starmer after his support for starvation of covilians.
We need more women like her. Amazing!
The Baroness, Arnie - the podcast goes from strength to strength.
Great interview, she is very inspiring
Agree with Baroness Warsi on nearly everything.
I've never thought very highly of Saeeydan as a left leaning doctor of 25 years who was lucky enough to come from a poor background but with the benefit of fantastic parents in northern England and a comprehensive education prior to funding cuts amd the introduction of tuition fees. I see and understand the struggles of people from all ethnicities who I look after at work every day who are less fortunate than I have been and my heart is filled with sadness and anger after so many years of damaging Tory leadership. Having listened to this podcast however, I have a new found respect for her. Thank you for this podcast. It is an absolute gem. Rory, I am a left winger through and through but still believe you were the best PM we never had. Openness, lack of ego, integrity, fairness, a superb knowledge base and intelligence are a rare and precious thing.
Great interview, well done all.
This is such a awesome podcast it has recently become one of my favorites this woman was brilliant I'm Canadian I don't know much about British politics but I've become a fan of Rory Stewart and now this podcast she is so smart and watching this interview from 9 months ago was very interesting because things have changed a bit and how the world looks at Israel what a wonderful woman I will have to search more on her so interesting that she picked up her interest in politics from the dinner table when she was a little girl play experience the exact same thing in Canada even the 5-year-old at our table had a right to their opinion it was glorious thank you to my dad
Idk what the popularity of this channel is by country, but for non-Americans and Americans that might not be familiar, look up Ben Ferencz. He was one of the prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials and one of the founding fathers of the International Criminal Court. His passion for international law and accountability was incredible. He passed away in April of this year and the world would do well to embrace his legacy.
What a great Lady she is...
She's such a role model, deep down I admire this women. I have seen her twice now in person.....i didnt bother her at all the first time but most recently in a Atif Aslam concert in London and even as a nearly-40 year old, bold, bulky, Alpha, I felt jittery and captured by Gravitas.....this is someone immune to being starstruck ...I don't get phased at all.All I could say was, I am a huge fan of your work and she politely nodded in acknowledgement with a smile.
She commands the room without a word being spoken, intelligence resonates from her body language......btw Sadiq Khan was there sat literally 2 seat ahead of us, zero charm, no personna or presence...total plonka.
Respect! What an intelligent and classy lady!
I found Rory's question regarding collective empathy quite interesting. I think most of us, including myself, would like to believe that we live in a world that is able to collectivly condemn and collectively empathise regardless of how it potentially conflicts with our own notions of identity or political opinions. As Sayeeda said, "us and them".
In the last couple of years I've lost all hope of that. It's not just Braverman's politicisation of the police force which is undoubtedly undermining the need to restore faith and trust in the force. It's the way you can't have a conversation now without being accused of harbouring a dividing motive.
Very interesting interview with a woman I’ve always greatly respected for standing up for women’s and minorities rights. It’s always puzzled me that she has supported Conservatism. because it seems so very alien to so many of her principles. As for Conservatives wanting the ‘low state involvement’ and low taxation, it’s always ‘fine’ with them until they realise that the services formerly provided by the state and moved to the private sector are no longer so well provided for and/or, it actually costs more for the private sector to provide because the profit maximisation objectives of private companies. E.g. prisons, social care, privatised railways etc. always comes first.
There are many great things that these podcasts achieve, one is to open the door on the thinking people that are in all the key parties. We may disagree but it helps a lot to understand the other. Tribal politics is deadly for the nation. That is statement literally the situation.
Baroness Warsi has previously mentioned she believes we need more religion in society.
My view is the opposite and a free secular society is preferable to a theocratic one with religious clerics in positions of power.
This podcast should be mandatory viewing.
Just found this such open and frank talk keep it up
Warsi, your voice is crucial right now
The bit at minute 44 was incredibly - well one heck of a thing!
It floored me.
@@Makmak-yf4dtIt's on record you can't be serious! 😂
Wow, what an inspirational conversation. Thank you.
Being a black man in Britain (that doesnt vote Conservative btw) i totally get what she means about labour (and the left in general) when it comes to dealing with race... it feels unauthentic.. like theyd prefer to speak for you instead of you speaking for yourself...
An eloquent communicator with a fascinating and heartening story of success! Immensely appreciated her frankness.
Would be nice to hear more about Islam of 10-12th century.
Ibn sina - al farabi- al Ghazali- Ahmad Al-Beyrûnî whose contribution to science and religion is equal to great scholars of history
One minor note. Minute 42:40 Rory expressed deep appreciation for Sayeeda being ‘incredibly well informed position’ regarding peace talks.
Yet, her claim 36:23 ‘hasn’t been a series peace deal on the table since then.’
Perhaps you could address added depth to this point.
In 2000, according to Nathan Thrall, Palestinians were offered 91% of West Bank and around 86% in practise with East Jerusalem’s most non Jewish populated areas which Arafat rejected.
A minor but significant point.
In 2007/2008, ehud Olmert reportedly met Abbas 36 times (hardly representative of no peace talk).
In 2007, Olmert sat with the Arab League for more discussions.
That failure helped lead to the plot between Fatah and Hamas.
Sorry for the length but Rory is an erudite scholar and his point was politely generous.
She’s just so likeable
Very informative interview, and it's always refreshing to hear civilised conversation. Sad to hear about Douglas Murray's views on Baroness Warsi. I normally like what he has to say.
PLEASE can we have Sayeeda Warsi as P.M with Rory as Foreign Minister.
You are all so interesting to listen to. Thanks!
So glad u have on ur podcast
Absolutely fascinating woman and her views marginalized by a government and opposition only interested in Israel's right to defend herself. Impressed they didn't ask her to condemn Hamas multiple times before they allowed her to speak. Please interview Jenny Mason from Jewish Voice for Labour also. You may then talk about the weaponisation of anti-Semitism and how successfully criticism of the state of Israel has been completely silenced.
We need so many more Sayeeda Warsi's in our politics. It's wonderfully refreshing, and painfully rare, to hear amazing insight alongside thoughtful balanced views based on solid evidence. On a daily basis, I find it so depressing to hear much of the UK's political rhetoric which is quite the opposite, and this podcast has left me energised and in some way a little more hopeful. Many thanks to Sayeeda, Rory and Alastair.
A racist from a totalitarian religion. No thanks
A splendid interview, inspiring, so informative.
It was a pleasure listening to this discussion.
She speaks for the silent majority of us Muslims
What about all the rest of us! ? Nothing matters to her and all Muslims but Muslims! I have only heard her speak about Muslims! Or slagging of
Suella Braverman. She mentions all awful remainers! Like her.
What a wonderful politician - sincere decent intelligent - I’d be a Tory if she was representative of them and is the perfect balanced person to help resolve Israeli / Gaza conflict - thanks for a great podcast