Unused Phantom Thieves mourning Akechi dialogue - Persona 5 Royal

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  • Unused dialogue of the Phantom Thieves mourning Akechi in the safe room right after the engine room in Persona 5 Royal
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  • @FazPersona
    @FazPersona  Год назад +117

    I ALSO found out there is consult dialogue that goes unused!!
    Yusuke: Goro Akechi... I believe he may have been the greatest casualty of Shido's actions...
    Makoto: Was there no other way?
    Ann: We'll avenge him when we take Shido down. Come on, we have the letters now-let's do this!
    twitter.com/ScrambledFaz/status/1680653370497933313?s=20

  • @smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737
    @smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 Год назад +218

    Haru was always so kind to akechi considering everything 🥺

  • @jackflynn412
    @jackflynn412 Год назад +180

    I wonder if Yusuke feels extra sympathetic because he was also used by his father for personal gain.

    • @MariusBoss11458
      @MariusBoss11458 Год назад +12

      Maybe...

    • @alexandersmith4731
      @alexandersmith4731 Год назад +34

      It's ironic cause Yusuke have more potential to be closer to Akechi and understand him better than Ren does

    • @jackflynn412
      @jackflynn412 Год назад +27

      @@alexandersmith4731 They talk a lot in Thieves Den but it's non-canon. I wish they let Akechi interact with the other Thieves more.

    • @sorachi8788
      @sorachi8788 Год назад +9

      ​@@jackflynn412yesn't
      The thieves den is called "My palace" in the Japanese version
      So yeah
      It's just Joker's cognitive of his friends and loved ones

    • @abimorris1970
      @abimorris1970 Год назад +24

      Yusuke says that he sympathizes with Akechi and that if he didn't hadn't met the PT he'd have turnt out like Akechi. He's one of the thew on the team who are more open to being friends with him, akechi and yusuke also have allot of conversations in the thieves den, and in mementos, though allot of the mementos ones were cut.
      It's a shame that yusuke and akechi don't really talk in 3rd semester because out of all of them Yusuke is the one who can relate to him the most and yusuke also understands him really well. I wish they talked more cause their friendship is something we missed out on!!

  • @WindySilver
    @WindySilver Год назад +155

    I'm not crying, you're crying. These should've been included in the game. Teleporting the team to the safe room near the doors to the Treasure would've made that work.

    • @thomasfairburn5254
      @thomasfairburn5254 Год назад +2

      I mean we already had their text conversation after we secured the palace. To some people especially his haters, it might be overkill in hammering down Akechi's sacrifice.

    • @DebbieJacksonArtist
      @DebbieJacksonArtist 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thomasfairburn5254 But there's nothing stopping you from ignoring the conversations, if you dislike them, on all subsequent playthroughs. I think the varying responses helps us gain insight into how the different Thieves reacted to his true self in a way you otherwise don't get any closure for during the original game. I also really appreciate they actually had door interaction dialogue as well. It's otherwise like Joker is just supposed to turn and run, whereas of almost everyone he was probably the most likely to try and change anything and refuse to give up.

  • @LeighXP
    @LeighXP Год назад +53

    The Thieves' ability to empathize with Akechi just demonstrates how emotionally mature and caring they are- boiling things down to "good" or "bad" always leads to a very narrow minded view of the world and the fact that these kids don't fall into that makes my fondness for them grow that much more. One of my favorite examples of Haru's strength is the fact that she is able to put herself in Akechi's shoes despite what he did to her father and sympathize with him; some people never reach that level of compassion and she's still just a teenager. Her lines in the engine room were a big defining moment of her character for me. This extra dialogue adds just that much more for her and all of the Thieves.
    These kids (and Akechi ;-;) will never stop sucker punching my feelings :')
    Thanks for all that you do, Faz!

    • @darryljr8844
      @darryljr8844 Год назад +1

      this is kind of ironic lol. boiling things down to good or bad doesn’t mean you aren’t any more or less emotionally mature or caring in fact i’d argue it’s the opposite. also when it comes to things like this there is nuance sure but there should be no grey areas in the world

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid Год назад

      Funny thing is they do boil it down to good and bad in strikers

  • @victoryreviews8948
    @victoryreviews8948 Год назад +106

    I wish these were included in the original game. Would have made the bond with Akechi stronger.

  • @Dorked
    @Dorked Год назад +216

    People who boil Akechi down to just being a killer with daddy issues really need to look past the surface level... and y'know, do his confidant? He was a bastard son to a sex worker who struggled to take care of him until she took her own life. He ended up going from foster home to foster home in a country where bastard children are treated like dogshit and then picked by a manipulative false god as a plaything and given powers. Akechi was a broken child who was desperate for revenge, so he made his stupid plan and approached Shido, who then turned him into a hitman. Akechi carried out his orders and did take lives and cause breakdowns, but it is shown how hostile Shido treats him many times in the late game, threatening him and talking about what happens to people who cross him. In addition, the SIU director says that the plan to kill Joker was not Akechi's idea, as it was too cruel for him. He went with it, and it was fucked up, but in the engine room, he eventually laments how he and Joker didn't meet sooner and is willing to sacrifice himself so the PT can change Shido's heart.
    Like... you don't have to forgive what Akechi did to acknowledge he IS a victim, much like the PTs. Even Ann nearly killed Kamoshida. And in Royal, he turns himself in, is outraged when he's let free, and is willing to trade his own freedom in Maruki's reality for the likelihood that he may truly die if it means letting the true reality live on. He's not just some laughing murderer with no layers. :u

    • @drew2031
      @drew2031 Год назад +45

      True words has been said here. I hate people always Sees Akechis story completely wrong. Like it's ok not to like him but not liking him while not getting his story is stupid.

    • @Dorked
      @Dorked Год назад +40

      @@drew2031 Also they say it like a shit ton of action heroes and antiheroes haven't killed in the past or have had tragic backstories and redemption arcs. And they are adults. Akechi's still a teen.

    • @drew2031
      @drew2031 Год назад +13

      @@Dorked like look at Sephiroth. He is loved by everyone but he burned an entire village.

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад +1

      Oh wow, hey Dorked, I watch your deltarune videos. Also, I completely agree with you about Akechi, he was a victim too. 🥺

    • @wazittuya4092
      @wazittuya4092 Год назад +10

      Also Akechi is silently helping Ren's freedom, so some of adult bastard with authority wouldn't dare to cross a finger on Ren and his friend (source : unused dialogue where Akechi is still alive)

  • @comment1353
    @comment1353 Год назад +59

    I wonder if this means Shido's palace was going to be a little longer. At the very least it means you were probably expected to manually go to the treasure room instead of being teleported there after the engine room. In vanilla P5, the teleportation caused the map right outside the engine room to show as not being explored yet, and I thought that was strange until they fixed it in Royal.

  • @PhantomsnowAlexa
    @PhantomsnowAlexa Год назад +18

    I really wish this was apart of the game. The team care enough for him that they wish to fulfill his request despite everything.

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад +3

      Hopefully tactica will give us more

  • @mokonarose01
    @mokonarose01 Год назад +38

    Why is there so much unused content in this game, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED😭

    • @awesometron7866
      @awesometron7866 Год назад +5

      I agree so much!

    • @curiouscommand5916
      @curiouscommand5916 Год назад +5

      The fact that it is translated points towards that it might have been a mistake in development. JP got the game first, so why translate what isn't supposed to be seen? Perhaps it was intended to be seen but there was no legitimate way to reach that bit of dialogue and they didn't notice during testing. I wonder if this dialogue is also in the original P5 code.

  • @ma.2089
    @ma.2089 Год назад +18

    They kept the Haru and Futaba really not wanting to work with him dialogue, and saying they were upset but removed this
    Idk how I feel about it.

    • @ritzexists2201
      @ritzexists2201 Год назад +3

      empathizing with a person and wanting to be around them are two different things.

    • @izzy1356
      @izzy1356 6 месяцев назад +3

      Same... Between them, and some of Ryuji's and Morgana's dialogue being pretty aggressive/hateful towards him (in Third Sem), it feels like the PTs as a whole (bar Joker) don't give a damn about what Akechi did in the end.
      Even him thanking them for Shido gets shot down instantly with a "we didn't do it for *you*"
      Knowing that they *did* in fact do it partly for him... But that part got cut out in favor of antagonizing him, it just stings.
      He did screwed up stuff, but tossing the sympathetic nuance out is just ouch. Makes the shift in attitude from the Engine Room to Third Sem kinda jarring.

    • @galarstar052
      @galarstar052 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@izzy1356 I think it's a little easier to be sympathetic to someone after they've died, though, understanding why they are the way they are and all that.
      Even so, them acting all friendly and forgiving to the guy who literally murdered two of the groups parents and tried to kill Joker wouldn't really make sense.

  • @kenm.a.d.7196
    @kenm.a.d.7196 Год назад +18

    Haru has such a good heart!

  • @axelsgf
    @axelsgf Год назад +17

    Definitely wished they put this in the game, they put Akechis death to the side so fast not even mentioning him later on :/

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад +1

      I read this comment with Adachi’s voice.

  • @chaisonpeyton
    @chaisonpeyton Год назад +59

    Can we PLEASE return Akechi and continue his story??

    • @kenm.a.d.7196
      @kenm.a.d.7196 Год назад +14

      Give us an Akechi spin off sequel already ATLUS!

    • @MagumoKawasaki
      @MagumoKawasaki Год назад +5

      @@kenm.a.d.7196 He is DLC in P5T along with Kasumi.

    • @sorachi8788
      @sorachi8788 Год назад +17

      What story?
      His story has ended in royal with satisfying conclusion.
      I mean don't get me wrong I want more of akechi but idk how could they pull out it..maybe in Persona 5 arena? that would be cool especially if you could switch between loki and Robin hood

    • @daelynnmoore8232
      @daelynnmoore8232 Год назад +11

      ​@@sorachi8788he disappeared at the end of royal, not satisfying at all! His last words were "it's cramped in here" there was no acknowledgment of what happened to him. They didnt stick the landing in the true ending imo for his character

    • @sorachi8788
      @sorachi8788 Год назад +10

      @@daelynnmoore8232 he disappeared with his own will because he doesn't want to live in a false reality, who is that not satisfying? After you escape the last palace The Phantom Theives acknowledge what happened to akechi wdym??
      Also the true ending is a lot better than akechi just die in Shido's palace or Joker forcing him into a false reality against his will.

  • @GlaziolaNacht
    @GlaziolaNacht Год назад +3

    God this hurts so much… I still can’t get over his death… I think I understand in a sense as to why they didn’t add this in the game, it might’ve been because they thought that players would already be too distraught over it, so to save everyone playing the heartache, they removed it, that’s what I think at least

  • @GabePlaysYT
    @GabePlaysYT Год назад +3

    I'm happy that Futaba chimed in because I don't think it was ever firmly established who was it that killed her mom.

    • @Havik61
      @Havik61 Год назад +6

      He's responsible for all the psychotic breaks, so he's the only one who could have done it.
      But it was weird she never talks about how he ruined her life. At worst she won't play cards with him, lol

  • @bessieburnet9816
    @bessieburnet9816 Год назад +38

    Goddam it, why didn't they use this?! This would have been great! And Ryuji is right, Akechi was a victim too.

    • @nxetr
      @nxetr Год назад +4

      Regardless he killed so many people so him dying was for the best

    • @AdacherTrueSelf
      @AdacherTrueSelf Год назад +4

      @@nxetr*He got killed by a Mirror 💀💀*

    • @alexandersmith4731
      @alexandersmith4731 Год назад +8

      ​@@nxetrit's obvious by the true ending he didn't die bruh

    • @abimorris1970
      @abimorris1970 Год назад +8

      ​@@nxetr in no way is it better for akechi to be dead 💀. Akechi is a victim!! Akechi was put into foster care wich is HORRIBLE, he never found a home that wanted him and was passed around, he grew up feeling unwanted and lonley. When he met Shido he was 15!! He was a child!! When akechi went to shido he never thought he'd become an assassin, Shido said himself he's the one who helped akechi unlock the full potential of his power, none of the merder or mental shutdowns were ever Akechi's ideas, all Shidos. Also Akechi was groomed by Shido from the age of 15!! Shido literally says he knew all akechi wanted was praise and he used that against him. Akechi isn't better of dead cause he killed people, like the game tells you, akechi was a victim, he deserved better.

    • @abimorris1970
      @abimorris1970 Год назад +6

      I hate how they cut so much Akechi content!! Their would be way less akechi hate if they kept in the things like this. Like ryuji said Akechi was a victim, akechi was abandoned and never felt loved then from 15 he was groomed by shido. All it would have taken for his life to have turnt out differently would have been for someone to have shown the slightest Intrest in him when he was younger.

  • @2006PoyotaKirbolla
    @2006PoyotaKirbolla Год назад

    That’s so weird that they didn’t use it it would make his death even more impactful

  • @danzai
    @danzai 3 месяца назад

    Wow, this stuff feels like it needs to be in the game.. in fact, I think there should have been more dedicated dialogue to discuss these points

  • @elirydoll
    @elirydoll Год назад

    i hate how the intermission after the duel between him and joker and the intermission after saes palace made me love him just for him to die to his cognitive self

  • @alexinator-hh5fe
    @alexinator-hh5fe Год назад +15

    Akechi haters are so in the mud. The group cares about him. The game cares about him. Joker cares about him so much that Maruki literally rewrites reality so they can be together. And even at the end, Joker still worries about him. Really hope we get closure on their relationship in the upcoming DLC. Or maybe even that Akechi spinoff we deserve

  • @juandaviduribe8267
    @juandaviduribe8267 Год назад

    Could you make a video with all the hideouts with no HUD? Specially the third semester one, that one looks so sick

  • @vorez9537
    @vorez9537 Год назад +4

    Hi Faz. Can you check whether we can skip the 2 challenges in Sae's palace (dark room and solo battles) if we can accumulate enough coins with the playable slot machines? What if the required coins unlock the treasure is hacked? Thanks you.

  • @noob-kun7768
    @noob-kun7768 Год назад +3

    They should've made a scene where the news reporting goro akechi's death well if they ever found the corpses. Now comes another question if the demons nuke akechi to death then will the corpses gone to ashes?

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад +1

      The P5R guide book confirms that Akechi’s fate depends on the player finishing his confidant. Also, I know Makoto and Haru are they’re school uniforms, but I’m pretty sure tactica takes place after strikers and we know Akechi and Sumi will be coming to the game.

    • @Hyperslayer_X
      @Hyperslayer_X Год назад +1

      @@Deertective_ Strikers is only a continuation of vanilla P5, not Royal. Sumire being DLC means she’s either a non-canon guest character or Tactica is a continuation of Royal, not Strikers.

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад +1

      @@Hyperslayer_X Strikers and Royal were developed at the same time, that’s why Strikers doesn’t have any references to Royal and it uses the old portraits. That doesn’t mean they’re not cannon, I don’t get why everyone assumes that.

    • @Hyperslayer_X
      @Hyperslayer_X Год назад +1

      @@Deertective_ Didn’t say it wasn’t canon, I said it takes place after vanilla P5 and not Royal. Like a separate timeline, so to speak.

    • @Deertective_
      @Deertective_ Год назад

      @@Hyperslayer_X Ok but, they never confirmed that it’s a separate timeline, and I don’t see any reason it has to be. They could easily just have them take place in the same timeline and it wouldn’t change a thing.

  • @lucygirl1111
    @lucygirl1111 Год назад +2

    im replaying royal again i named Joker Akechi Goro and plan to name the phantom thief's Akechi's ass for the memes but rip Akechi o7

  • @jasonmunozjr
    @jasonmunozjr Год назад

    I thought this wasn't voiced!

  • @AngelDANSHI
    @AngelDANSHI Год назад +1

    I LOVE AKEKO!!!

  • @maccamachine
    @maccamachine Год назад

    Pretty interesting

  • @francescoriccio77
    @francescoriccio77 Год назад

    MOD POWEEERR

  • @policialfoda905
    @policialfoda905 Год назад

    akechi based.

  • @tobybrown1515
    @tobybrown1515 Год назад

    Most of it was used

  • @phantomcolors
    @phantomcolors Год назад

    YOOO

  • @fluke7506
    @fluke7506 Год назад +6

    probably cut because sympathising with a murder is pretty
    well uhh i dont think i gotta explain

    • @alexandersmith4731
      @alexandersmith4731 Год назад +18

      He was a groomed murderer that was made by Shido, not hard at all to sympathised, lots of irl child soldiers are like that

    • @elae4051
      @elae4051 Год назад +4

      You can sympathize and pity him but uhh yeah, I imagine it’d be kind of awkward, especially since Futaba and Haru especially got the worst of it from his actions

    • @alexandersmith4731
      @alexandersmith4731 Год назад +3

      @@elae4051 wish the Phantom Thieves have an actual clashing opinions on one another

    • @elae4051
      @elae4051 Год назад

      @@alexandersmith4731 maybe the fighting game that's apparently still happening

    • @wl4810
      @wl4810 Год назад

      @@alexandersmith4731 Nigga, you don't say the shit the Phantom Thieves just said about the dude who killed your parent and threw you in years lasting trauma. This shit is not good writing. It's not because an external viewpoint that doesn't feel involved says that that the characters can do it. It's bullshit.

  • @lanalewis6982
    @lanalewis6982 Год назад +1

    I am glad this was cut. Akechi doesn't deserve any sympathy. He had his chance and blew it.

    • @RareT888
      @RareT888 8 месяцев назад

      Lol bad opinion akechi is trickster chosen by yaldabaoth to led humans to ruin and to rival joker he's a victim of both shido and yaldabaoth

    • @lanalewis6982
      @lanalewis6982 8 месяцев назад

      @@RareT888 He's a murderer, not a victim. Your opinion is bad.

    • @RareT888
      @RareT888 8 месяцев назад

      @@lanalewis6982 he only killed 8 ppl the train guy and 3 random ppl the rest were evil and they deserve it

    • @RareT888
      @RareT888 8 месяцев назад

      @@lanalewis6982 no one cares about wakaba, principal and siu director anyway

    • @lanalewis6982
      @lanalewis6982 8 месяцев назад

      @@RareT888 He's killed way more than just those people. And Wakaba was just an innocent person.

  • @JoseMedina-14
    @JoseMedina-14 Год назад +4

    Thanks god these remained unused.