I've been playing venge 5 since the solar crest buff and she feels really really good! But her lvl 25 talents are so underwhelming now. Wish they kept the debuff immunity stun because it was what made her v.late game viable as a support in my opinion
I got confused by "damage reduction" so I reread the Nether Swap ability. The damage reduction refers to the Ally heroes "taking less" damage rather than enemy units "making less" damage. It's a defensive buff. I initially thought the enemy unit gets reduced damage output. Because of this video, it's now clear to me. :)
I can say as a venge main, I think her Shard is actually worth buying at 15mins when you consider it as a farming tool. Getting a double nuke really helps you to clear camps faster. Plus just watching gameplay of people that don't buy it, they're just losing so much value in team fights when you could be throwing double stuns out, compared to single target stuns
Cool vid! I learned some stuff even if I already am a venge spammer lol I love aether lens on her a lot too. People doesn't usually expect to get swapped from off-screen xD
That's interesting, I thought she got nerfed real hard with 7.33 and so I stopped playing her -- the stun was already a pretty short duration and they gave her nothing to compensate for the nerf. Could argue making her a universal hero indirectly increased her auto attack damage but I didn't see that mattering on a squishy p4/p5 with such a short attack range. Mind you, I'm only like Archon 3 so my opinions are shit lol
Great video, thanks! I've been having so much more success now that I've really leaned into early stats and trading with wave instead of just being a stunbot and wasting all my gold on mana regen.
I’m a Venge spammer and generally agree. Almost 80% win rate this patch. My exceptions at pos 5 at slightly lower mmr: Headdress is super value since Venge and her pos 1 generally have regen issues. It potentially builds into a better item, but totally fine on its own. Always take the 10, 15 missile talents and the swap CD talent. Level 25 is dealer’s choice. Shard, Force, Blink, Aether are default items. Maybe Glimmer. Vlads decent if you can’t show w/o dying , or for 5 manning with team. Aghs if you get a foothold in the game and can afford it. Otherwise, get utility.
Short and Sweet guide thx I'd love to learn how to get farm on this hero. Is it primarily stacks, killing heros, having some me time when nothing is happening, or done other ways
I feel like stacks arent that great, Wave of Terror is amazing but you lack AoE dmg to finish it off otherwise. That being said your high base dmg, great BAT and Wave of Terror make jungling single camps really really easy, so if theres nothing to do just do what venomancer does and jungle a bit i'd say. If the option is there tho, i feel like going for ganks/kills is always preferable since thats what this hero really excells at.
So many combinations when thinking about this hero. I just tested her buffing up Broodmom, brood buffs her own Base dmg with her q, in combination with venge aura and a vlads its absolutely disgusting. Also the classic tide and venge lane just got soooo much better. Even though both heroes offer the same things, doubling down on them feels so good early on. No melee can lane against you. With tides talent you get 85% dmg reduction (i think its base) combined with venge wave its basically 100% physical dmg reduction, its so stupid. In general this patch allows so many stupid combinations, cant wait to see what the best teams brew for The International
For my settings, I don’t bind anything for ‘select my hero’, and I’ve trouble controlling vengeful spirit’s illusion (the aghs) when it’s dead. Anyone has a way to solve this? I don’t bind ‘select my hero’ as I don’t like the camera shift when I click it, so I bind it to group 1 instead
@ZQuixotix Unchecking help from Venge does not stop her from swapping. Unfortunately, swap doesn't count as help. I have been griefed like that so I know. A griefing Venge cannot be stopped
IMHO Venge was never bad at pubs, and she shouldnot be support. The thing with venge is that she scales very very well so in lower mmr go for "man up" build. She can do so much dmg so quick, but the problem is that you cant buy any farming items on her and she dosnot have any farming spell... I remember in original dota venge + drow or sven was the most dangerous combo, but in dota2 you dont get that much exp on early killz nor gold, so ye MB pos5 is her new role, its still sad for me... They should not nerf that attack range on her passive
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Nice - venge feels great right now. Currently on a 9 win streak with her in 7.34
I've been playing venge 5 since the solar crest buff and she feels really really good! But her lvl 25 talents are so underwhelming now. Wish they kept the debuff immunity stun because it was what made her v.late game viable as a support in my opinion
truer words never spoken. shes still a viable suicidal counter to late game carries but that was a golden talent.
Such a unique and great talent. Let her have it back!
I got confused by "damage reduction" so I reread the Nether Swap ability. The damage reduction refers to the Ally heroes "taking less" damage rather than enemy units "making less" damage. It's a defensive buff. I initially thought the enemy unit gets reduced damage output. Because of this video, it's now clear to me. :)
I can say as a venge main, I think her Shard is actually worth buying at 15mins when you consider it as a farming tool. Getting a double nuke really helps you to clear camps faster. Plus just watching gameplay of people that don't buy it, they're just losing so much value in team fights when you could be throwing double stuns out, compared to single target stuns
i love her agh scepter, so powerful
Cool vid! I learned some stuff even if I already am a venge spammer lol
I love aether lens on her a lot too. People doesn't usually expect to get swapped from off-screen xD
Venge is another character i main with. To me, she has always been in a good place.
That's interesting, I thought she got nerfed real hard with 7.33 and so I stopped playing her -- the stun was already a pretty short duration and they gave her nothing to compensate for the nerf. Could argue making her a universal hero indirectly increased her auto attack damage but I didn't see that mattering on a squishy p4/p5 with such a short attack range. Mind you, I'm only like Archon 3 so my opinions are shit lol
Nice video. When will do you one on Dazzle?
I was so happy when they buffed her last patch, I couldn't wait to play her again
Great video Mr, Zquix
Great video, thanks! I've been having so much more success now that I've really leaned into early stats and trading with wave instead of just being a stunbot and wasting all my gold on mana regen.
I’m a Venge spammer and generally agree. Almost 80% win rate this patch. My exceptions at pos 5 at slightly lower mmr:
Headdress is super value since Venge and her pos 1 generally have regen issues. It potentially builds into a better item, but totally fine on its own.
Always take the 10, 15 missile talents and the swap CD talent. Level 25 is dealer’s choice.
Shard, Force, Blink, Aether are default items. Maybe Glimmer. Vlads decent if you can’t show w/o dying , or for 5 manning with team. Aghs if you get a foothold in the game and can afford it. Otherwise, get utility.
She's my longest win streak hero, with only 9 games, and it feels great to see her do well again in this meta.
Short and Sweet guide thx
I'd love to learn how to get farm on this hero. Is it primarily stacks, killing heros, having some me time when nothing is happening, or done other ways
I feel like stacks arent that great, Wave of Terror is amazing but you lack AoE dmg to finish it off otherwise. That being said your high base dmg, great BAT and Wave of Terror make jungling single camps really really easy, so if theres nothing to do just do what venomancer does and jungle a bit i'd say. If the option is there tho, i feel like going for ganks/kills is always preferable since thats what this hero really excells at.
@@YodasMessenger what I meant was stacking for team.. but thx for sharing your thoughts
So many combinations when thinking about this hero. I just tested her buffing up Broodmom, brood buffs her own Base dmg with her q, in combination with venge aura and a vlads its absolutely disgusting. Also the classic tide and venge lane just got soooo much better. Even though both heroes offer the same things, doubling down on them feels so good early on. No melee can lane against you. With tides talent you get 85% dmg reduction (i think its base) combined with venge wave its basically 100% physical dmg reduction, its so stupid. In general this patch allows so many stupid combinations, cant wait to see what the best teams brew for The International
I hope Schendelzare gets her Arcana (head slot - swap modifier). Would be cool to see a different animation of the swap.
For my settings, I don’t bind anything for ‘select my hero’, and I’ve trouble controlling vengeful spirit’s illusion (the aghs) when it’s dead.
Anyone has a way to solve this?
I don’t bind ‘select my hero’ as I don’t like the camera shift when I click it, so I bind it to group 1 instead
In pubs which hero should be confirm ban for playing venge comfortably ?
Can you also add a section in your guides for turbo games? No one is making guides for it!
Really appreciate these guides.
> links to guide so we don't have to manually remake it
what a beast
Havent played dota for a while does swapping a teammate in low HP while they are in Doom's ult can reduce the doom damage?
For 3 seconds, so you're only mitigating like less then 100 dmg
I play her as a 4 and roll into a core building straight into ags and then getting butterfly/linkensphere
Seeing doom with a Naga in the offlane in one of the preview games......
Was VS ever really bad? I just started, but seeing historical WR data and discussion, it doesn’t seem like she was ever in an awful spot?
i fucking knew this shit was good after the dmg reduce on W got added.
Man this feels validating :D
Nice Video. I think the shard is a situational item for a 5 supp, but it should be mandatory for a 4 supp.
Sharp?
shard, sorry.@@AndrewNB41191
The brown boots agh rush in low tier pubs is super funny. Whats the logic there? You're going to hurry up and die so you can control an illusion?
@ZQuixotix Unchecking help from Venge does not stop her from swapping. Unfortunately, swap doesn't count as help. I have been griefed like that so I know. A griefing Venge cannot be stopped
13:29 Except when CM has scepter for her ulti.
And I think Snapfire Ulti doesn't get cancelled either. (not a channel)
Seriously i had a hard time searching your channel 😅😅 your name is quite challenging to remember. 😂
F for all the sui*idal vengeful spigots. layin it all on the line for the cause.
Bah! I play her as pos 1 core! :-D
7 Winstreak hero for me = viable. I'm only crusader tho xD
Get pos 5 midas by 15 and win
Молодец! Актуальная информация, подробный разбор игры, не навязчивый рассказ. Спасибо.
I personally think that venge is actually a good core and maybe even a decent position one
IMHO Venge was never bad at pubs, and she shouldnot be support. The thing with venge is that she scales very very well so in lower mmr go for "man up" build. She can do so much dmg so quick, but the problem is that you cant buy any farming items on her and she dosnot have any farming spell... I remember in original dota venge + drow or sven was the most dangerous combo, but in dota2 you dont get that much exp on early killz nor gold, so ye MB pos5 is her new role, its still sad for me... They should not nerf that attack range on her passive
Is this Breaking Points or something?