Love Fr. Murr's candor, not only because I agree with him completely on this business. It's a fine line between obsession and devotion; Medjugorje fans often seem to affect the former about it.
As a Croatian I can say this: In the ordinariate of Mostar are the original transcripts from 1981. It says: Are all religions good? Are all religions the same? "The voice" answered: For God are all religions the same ... This is heresy! Jesu li sve vjere dobre? Jesu li sve vjere iste?" "Ukazanje" odgovara: "Sve su vjere pred Bogom iste. Bog njima vlada kao vladar u svome kraljevstvu. . . U svijetu sve vjere nisu iste, jer se ljudi ne pokoravaju Božjim zapovijedima, već ih odbacuju i kvare".
You will appreciate what happened to me in 1984. My mom and I were in Dubrovnik (to meet her family in Mlini) and I wanted to learn SOMETHING Croatian. So she taught me "bog te blavislovinas". So, I said that to a 10yo who sold me something. (He did not act like he spoke English) After I said it to him, he said very clearly, "No!! There is NO God!!" That was in 1984...and we keep learning.
I'm with Fr Murr. I reserve judgement, especially if it is ever elevated in this pontificate, which I do not consider as being the will of God, but of man.
Fr. Ripperger introduced the election prayer on The Grace Force, many have added it to their rosary. Btw, Fr Ripperger also states that Medjugorie is a false apparition. It is a time of great confusion, and after extensive research I think it is false as well. Time will tell, but I will not be adding it to Lourdes and Fatima. It is telling how the believers of Medjugorie will pile on in comments to those who discern otherwise by urging caution.
Anyone can search "Medugorje condemned" and find the declaration of Msgr. Zanic of Mostar in 1986 condemning Medugorje "apparitions" and again with Msgr. Ratko Peric, Bishop of Mostar in 1991
Anyone can search and find pope John Paul 2 privately supported it also. And the early apparitions were since approved. So pick the data points you want. Both sides have a legit argument
@gentz8310 it did not use that exact wording, nor do you know the exact context of the conversation. This is why taking individual quotes out of anything from anyone, is flawed. Time will tell, I don't know that it's true, but you don't know that it's false. Church hasn't decided, so who knows?
Medugorje seems sus to me at best, and there's so much financial incentive there. It was condemned by previous bishops. Our Lady would never say there was any way to God but through her Son. She would never speak heresy! I would go to Spain with Fr Murr's retreat pilgrimage in a heartbeat if I could! It's Fatima, Lourdes, or Guadalupe for me where apparitions are concerned, should God ever bless me with the means and method to go.
Not only did 2 bishops of that diocese discern in the negative about Medugorje, but there was also a commission that investigated. "On 2nd May 1986, the commission of investigation votes, in a secret ballot, by 11 votes to 4, against the recognition of the supernatural character of the events: non constat de supernaturalitate. At the same time, having concluded its work, it accepts its own dissolution, the affair being from then on in the hands of Rome.3 On 15th May 1986, Bishop Zanic transmits to the Congregation the negative finding of the commission."
Anyone else notice the tension around the Medjugorje subject? Both Fr Murr and Matt remained silent. We were there in March 1991. There were very few tourists being winter. We never found it spiritually uplifting.
What the Church Says "There is but one universal Church of the faithful outside of which no one at all can be saved." --Pope Innocent III What Medjugorje Says "God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers." --Svetozar Krljevic O.F.M. , The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje, Franciscan Herald Press, 1984
We here in Ottawa Canada are so proud of Sebastian Muggeridge who was consecrated as a deacon for the Companions of the Cross last Saturday in Detroit!
I received a book for Christmas when I was nineteen, and it was the messages from Our Lady and it contained the same indifferentism we just heard from Pope Francis in Indonesia. She said not to pray the rosary.....?! How can she contradict herself? There were fruits from Marcial Maciel too, but time revealed hidden things.
Kennedy Hall series explains the falsehoods of Medjugorje. Really eye opening. Plus, other good sources breakdown the beliefs of Medjugorje, which are opposite of the Gospel.
@@kathleenrawner573 I've listened to him. And I'm not attacking him, but I've certainly heard kennedy attack everyone who disagrees with him on anything catholic related
@kathleenrawner573 you kidding me? I know every argument against and for them. It's very reasonable to raise concerns. It's also reasonable to examine the good. There are explanations for the controversies, whether you choose to look into those or not is your choice. Bottom line is many great mariologists fully believe in their authenticity. I personally lean toward them being authentic, but I dont claim to know that 100%. And since church has not ruled on this It is completely legitimate to believe or not believe. Just don't criticize those who don't believe the same as you because the church allows you to either believe or not believe. Anyone who says otherwise does not have their facts right. Listen to Mark Miravalle, he's the most well studied mariologists on these things.
I am Croatian and I was in Medjugorje in 1984. I believed all that was said to be true. I quit believing and still do not believe. The Enemy uses visions and other positive things to cast us into hell, which is what he desires.
I will take the word of 4 bishops that have said there was nothing divine as well as Michael Davies book. There is also a great Sensus Fidelium youtube video as well that brings to light about this false apparition
@buckan8r999 ur welcome to do that. Others are welcome to take the beliefs of saints like mother Teresa and JP2 who personally believed In the apparitions. We will all find out soon enough if true or not. There's no prize for being right, and there's nothing wrong with believing. So take your pick.
So are we to believe Our Blessed Mother appeared to the seers with the baby Jesus and started to drop him.The last few days the Pope made comments that all believes worship the same God that is against dogmatic teaching of the Church .
So….the church has approved these messages even though Our Lady made heretical remarks in the book?? These heresies were never retracted? I guess this fits in with the new, one world church.
The truth is not an “experience” which can be managed by deceivers. Thank you Fr Murr for recognizing what is going on here. and being brave enough to speak up. Our church was the biggest looser of WWII and the zionist takeover of ALL things catholic. I am greatly disappointed in anyone foolish enough to not do their due diligence in investigating this and all the anomalies in the church.
Real Marion theology does not teach that all religions are equal before God. How convenient that Medjurgorjie is brought up now that PF is erasing the very church established by Jesus Christ. Drop Medjurgorjie, repeat the Fatima message. Repeat, repeat REPEAT but do not promote an event with so many problematic & questionable issues.
I remember Bayside in NY state in the 1970's where busloads of people from many places in proximity to the state would go to listen to Veronica Lueken who allegedly experiencing apparitions of the Virgin Mary, Jesus, and numerous Catholic saints. I felt it was similar in one respect to the charismatic movement with people claiming to have a direct connection to the Holy Spriit, which in both groups appeared to be necessary to them to support or supplement their faith in the context of the pluralism of the time and the lack of any real clarity or proper guidance emanating from Vatican II. It also seemed that the people who were generally very devout Catholics, but not overly intellectual, found an absence of any real Catholic authority in matters of faith and morals from their local ordinaries, and Veronica filled that vacuum by providing for them that authority. I was a seminarian at the time destined to become a cancelled one for my rather conservative stances on life and family issues where a certain liberal and very powerful prelate got the wrong end of the stick (but also perhaps the "correct" one) from a group which I publicly represented. Although I still believe that the utterances of Veronica were more from her own mind, and that the miraculous photographs were likely fake, I could not see much harm in anyone tripping off to Bayside to hear her. Nevertheless, I was still concerned that if the apparitions were not genuine but either fake or psychic manifestations and not from Jesus, Mary and the saints, that they would only serve to undermine the true Faith and the really miraculous from heaven in our lives. Yet... "who was I to judge" where the people were only trying to fill a void in a decadent culture and religion with no clear leadership and objective standards, and a void made mainly by those who purported to be the authorities in matters of faith and morals, and who ought to have been the judges and final arbiters for us in such matters - "in conformity with the time-tested precepts of the Chruch" .
My mother forgive me but I know about this apparition since the 90s but I never have a Devoltion to it! But love Akita, Fátima, Lourdes, Lá Salete, and I follow Our Lady of Anguera, is not approved yet! But Pedro Regis is a simple man , honest, amazingly courageous, always speak the truth and do not fear persecution. Lots of the messages already happened special in Brazil. What is your opinion on it? The Bishop aloud the apparitions that happens 2 time a week. Tuesdays and Saturdays. It happens just after Pedro finishes praying the Rosary with pilgrims.
A male visionary came to our church in Newak, NJ. and had visions in the church. This is unusual. Visionaries go to her at a designated place by her instead of other way round.
Addition: During the interview mentioned in this video, regarding Medjugorje, Pope Francis also said "This is not the mother of Jesus." See Rome Reports on RUclips: 'Pope Francis' opinion on the Medjugorje apparitions', 7 years ago. Correction: The Church has not officially approved any of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje. In May 2019, Pope Francis authorized pilgrimages to Medjugorje, providing that they do not present the alleged apparitions as being approved by the Church. Correction: The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was defined in 1854 by Pope Pius IX, BEFORE the Lourdes apparitions in 1858. (Papal bull Ineffabilis Deus)
The bishop did not but a Vatican commission that went there to investigate made a report. The report said the 1st seven apparition are authentic. This is easily verified.
Yes Priests had conversions, but novus ordo fruit. Lots of Liturgical abuse beyond. Sorry, but not sorry. I am too skeptical of this particular papacy speaking about Medjugorje. I mean no disprespect.
Međugorje during the Bosnian War On 2 April 1995, at the high point of conflict within the local diocese, Bishop Ratko Perić was kidnapped by Croat militiamen, beaten, and taken to a chapel run by one of the Franciscans associated with Međugorje, where he was held hostage for ten hours. Wikipedia.
I have a question regarding Medjugorje. Why would Our Lady cause all of this chaos and confusion and battles between otherwise good and faithful Catholics? The Church cannot ever give approval or condemn it since the 'messages' keep going on and on and on and on...and on and on. This seems very un-Marian like to me. All the other apparitions have STOPPED and then the Church has made her declaration. I have serious doubts about this one, and was called worse than Stalin 11 years ago by a person who was born and lived there and now lives in the USA. I simply did not need to hear how the 'peace' and 'joy' there is what I should go and 'feel' as it 'feels' like on other place. Well, excuse me, but at Adoration in the Presence of Jesus Christ my King, my Lord amd my God is PEACE. So Mary is non-stop talking and that is NOT like her at all. So FEW but POWERFUL words were recorded of Mary in the Sciptures. Just seems off for 43 years NON STOP messages that only the 'seer' can hear/see? Not obedient to the Church and the first local bishop's assessment. Mary is most obedient. The seers have not been so much and not one went on to religious life. ODD. It's caused so much discord among even my close friends, I will never support it and have NO desire to go there! I don't need an exotic 'trendy' apparition site to spend money I do not have and then to go in debt is not wise either.
You have lost my trust. I hope FR Murr has the theological sense to distrust Medjugorie. Pope John Paul II advised people not to go there in the eighties because it had not been approved, so I went to Fatima instead. And, when I read the supposed statements of the Blessed Mother, they seemed to be very syncretistic (aside from all the scandals associated with it). Regardless of what the vatican comes up with, I believe it to be bad theology, along with others like Kennedy Hall, etc.
Your guest was wrong in at least 2 major points. 1) The Vatican has NOT approved the first seven apparitions in Medjugorje as your guest said it did; 2) It was four years EARLIER that Pope Pius IX dogmatically declared the Immaculate Conception a truth of the Catholic faith when Our Lady spoke to Saint Bernadette and told her her name. These are important facts to get right.
Fr. Murr is the best! God bless him and keep him honest and faithful.
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I love your steadfastness Father Murr! I’ll pray for you all, and please pray for us.
Love Fr. Murr's candor, not only because I agree with him completely on this business. It's a fine line between obsession and devotion; Medjugorje fans often seem to affect the former about it.
Most excellent program regarding the current state of the Church. Thank you all and bless you. Father Murr, you are the best!😇❤️🙏🏻
As a Croatian I can say this:
In the ordinariate of Mostar are the original transcripts from 1981.
It says:
Are all religions good? Are all religions the same?
"The voice" answered:
For God are all religions the same ...
This is heresy!
Jesu li sve vjere dobre? Jesu li sve vjere iste?"
"Ukazanje" odgovara: "Sve su vjere pred Bogom iste. Bog njima vlada kao vladar u svome kraljevstvu. . . U svijetu sve vjere nisu iste, jer se ljudi ne pokoravaju Božjim zapovijedima, već ih odbacuju i kvare".
You will appreciate what happened to me in 1984. My mom and I were in Dubrovnik (to meet her family in Mlini) and I wanted to learn SOMETHING Croatian. So she taught me "bog te blavislovinas". So, I said that to a 10yo who sold me something. (He did not act like he spoke English) After I said it to him, he said very clearly, "No!! There is NO God!!" That was in 1984...and we keep learning.
@@albieinangelus921 This was a little partizan, full of anti-christian ideology. Thank God Yugoslavia is history.
I'm with Fr Murr. I reserve judgement, especially if it is ever elevated in this pontificate, which I do not consider as being the will of God, but of man.
Very serious reasons to question Medjugorie.
Fr. Ripperger introduced the election prayer on The Grace Force, many have added it to their rosary. Btw, Fr Ripperger also states that Medjugorie is a false apparition. It is a time of great confusion, and after extensive research I think it is false as well. Time will tell, but I will not be adding it to Lourdes and Fatima. It is telling how the believers of Medjugorie will pile on in comments to those who discern otherwise by urging caution.
Medjugorie is a fraud. The seers are all rich. None went into the religious life/
Anyone can search "Medugorje condemned" and find the declaration of Msgr. Zanic of Mostar in 1986 condemning Medugorje "apparitions" and again with Msgr. Ratko Peric, Bishop of Mostar in 1991
Anyone can search and find pope John Paul 2 privately supported it also. And the early apparitions were since approved. So pick the data points you want. Both sides have a legit argument
@@eh4306Early apparition from 1981 says: "All religions are the same"
It can't be true.
@gentz8310 it did not use that exact wording, nor do you know the exact context of the conversation. This is why taking individual quotes out of anything from anyone, is flawed. Time will tell, I don't know that it's true, but you don't know that it's false. Church hasn't decided, so who knows?
@@eh4306 what are the correct words? Have you been in Mostar?
Medugorje seems sus to me at best, and there's so much financial incentive there. It was condemned by previous bishops. Our Lady would never say there was any way to God but through her Son. She would never speak heresy!
I would go to Spain with Fr Murr's retreat pilgrimage in a heartbeat if I could! It's Fatima, Lourdes, or Guadalupe for me where apparitions are concerned, should God ever bless me with the means and method to go.
Not only did 2 bishops of that diocese discern in the negative about Medugorje, but there was also a commission that investigated. "On 2nd May 1986, the commission of investigation votes, in a secret ballot, by 11 votes to 4, against the recognition of the supernatural character of the events: non constat de supernaturalitate. At the same time, having concluded its work, it accepts its own dissolution, the affair being from then on in the hands of Rome.3 On 15th May 1986, Bishop Zanic transmits to the Congregation the negative finding of the commission."
Thank you Fr Murr. 83 yrs. I question Medjugoriears.
Anyone else notice the tension around the Medjugorje subject? Both Fr Murr and Matt remained silent. We were there in March 1991. There were very few tourists being winter. We never found it spiritually uplifting.
Father Payton, please pray Catholic families all pray The Holy Rosary together daily.
What the Church Says "There is but one universal Church of the faithful outside of which no one at all can be saved." --Pope Innocent III
What Medjugorje Says "God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers." --Svetozar Krljevic O.F.M. , The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje, Franciscan Herald Press, 1984
Isn’t pope francis parroting the same false ecumenism.
We here in Ottawa Canada are so proud of Sebastian Muggeridge who was consecrated as a deacon for the Companions of the Cross last Saturday in Detroit!
Return to the true, Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church of pre-Vatican II.
I received a book for Christmas when I was nineteen, and it was the messages from Our Lady and it contained the same indifferentism we just heard from Pope Francis in Indonesia. She said not to pray the rosary.....?! How can she contradict herself?
There were fruits from Marcial Maciel too, but time revealed hidden things.
Kennedy Hall series explains the falsehoods of Medjugorje. Really eye opening. Plus, other good sources breakdown the beliefs of Medjugorje, which are opposite of the Gospel.
Kennedy hall believes he's she authority on everything. He's not
@@eh4306, instead of attacking the person, why not listen to the evidence he proves and arguments he makes?
@@kathleenrawner573 I've listened to him. And I'm not attacking him, but I've certainly heard kennedy attack everyone who disagrees with him on anything catholic related
@@eh4306 , Have you listened to any of the critics of the "apparitions"?
@kathleenrawner573 you kidding me? I know every argument against and for them. It's very reasonable to raise concerns. It's also reasonable to examine the good. There are explanations for the controversies, whether you choose to look into those or not is your choice. Bottom line is many great mariologists fully believe in their authenticity. I personally lean toward them being authentic, but I dont claim to know that 100%. And since church has not ruled on this It is completely legitimate to believe or not believe. Just don't criticize those who don't believe the same as you because the church allows you to either believe or not believe. Anyone who says otherwise does not have their facts right. Listen to Mark Miravalle, he's the most well studied mariologists on these things.
THURSDAY, 19 SEPT, is also Our Lady of La Salette.
God bless you all!
Thank you very much!
The best podcast ever! Always something to learn, to be inspired & just to have a chuckle thanks to the delightful Fr Murr!👏👏❤️
I am in Fr Murr's camp. I am no longer a devotee of Medjugorie after meeting a couple of the visionaries personally.
So you didn't get as enjoyable encounter as you'd like and therefore that makes it false to you? Pretty strange way to discern
I am Croatian and I was in Medjugorje in 1984. I believed all that was said to be true. I quit believing and still do not believe. The Enemy uses visions and other positive things to cast us into hell, which is what he desires.
I will take the word of 4 bishops that have said there was nothing divine as well as Michael Davies book. There is also a great Sensus Fidelium youtube video as well that brings to light about this false apparition
@@eh4306 You're sort of reinforcing his point.
@buckan8r999 ur welcome to do that. Others are welcome to take the beliefs of saints like mother Teresa and JP2 who personally believed In the apparitions. We will all find out soon enough if true or not. There's no prize for being right, and there's nothing wrong with believing. So take your pick.
So are we to believe Our Blessed Mother appeared to the seers with the baby Jesus and started to drop him.The last few days the Pope made comments that all believes worship the same God that is against dogmatic teaching of the Church .
No, not at all.
So….the church has approved these messages even though Our Lady made heretical remarks in the book?? These heresies were never retracted? I guess this fits in with the new, one world church.
The truth is not an “experience” which can be managed by deceivers. Thank you Fr Murr for recognizing what is going on here. and being brave enough to speak up. Our church was the biggest looser of WWII and the zionist takeover of ALL things catholic. I am greatly disappointed in anyone foolish enough to not do their due diligence in investigating this and all the anomalies in the church.
Real Marion theology does not teach that all religions are equal before God. How convenient that Medjurgorjie is brought up now that PF is erasing the very church established by Jesus Christ. Drop Medjurgorjie, repeat the Fatima message. Repeat, repeat REPEAT but do not promote an event with so many problematic & questionable issues.
Pirates have boarded … but …
⚓️ Don’t give up the ship! ⚓️
I remember Bayside in NY state in the 1970's where busloads of people from many places in proximity to the state would go to listen to Veronica Lueken who allegedly experiencing apparitions of the Virgin Mary, Jesus, and numerous Catholic saints. I felt it was similar in one respect to the charismatic movement with people claiming to have a direct connection to the Holy Spriit, which in both groups appeared to be necessary to them to support or supplement their faith in the context of the pluralism of the time and the lack of any real clarity or proper guidance emanating from Vatican II. It also seemed that the people who were generally very devout Catholics, but not overly intellectual, found an absence of any real Catholic authority in matters of faith and morals from their local ordinaries, and Veronica filled that vacuum by providing for them that authority. I was a seminarian at the time destined to become a cancelled one for my rather conservative stances on life and family issues where a certain liberal and very powerful prelate got the wrong end of the stick (but also perhaps the "correct" one) from a group which I publicly represented. Although I still believe that the utterances of Veronica were more from her own mind, and that the miraculous photographs were likely fake, I could not see much harm in anyone tripping off to Bayside to hear her. Nevertheless, I was still concerned that if the apparitions were not genuine but either fake or psychic manifestations and not from Jesus, Mary and the saints, that they would only serve to undermine the true Faith and the really miraculous from heaven in our lives. Yet... "who was I to judge" where the people were only trying to fill a void in a decadent culture and religion with no clear leadership and objective standards, and a void made mainly by those who purported to be the authorities in matters of faith and morals, and who ought to have been the judges and final arbiters for us in such matters - "in conformity with the time-tested precepts of the Chruch" .
Fr. Murr 🙏🙏🙏🌹
Fixing the Vatican would take an act of God.
My mother forgive me but I know about this apparition since the 90s but I never have a Devoltion to it! But love Akita, Fátima, Lourdes, Lá Salete, and I follow Our Lady of Anguera, is not approved yet! But Pedro Regis is a simple man , honest, amazingly courageous, always speak the truth and do not fear persecution. Lots of the messages already happened special in Brazil. What is your opinion on it?
The Bishop aloud the apparitions that happens 2 time a week. Tuesdays and Saturdays. It happens just after Pedro finishes praying the Rosary with pilgrims.
8:00 The first seven messages were approved? When? The local bishop and conferences disapproved it twice, and the third time less emphatically.
A male visionary came to our church in Newak, NJ. and had visions in the church. This is unusual. Visionaries go to her at a designated place by her instead of other way round.
Addition: During the interview mentioned in this video, regarding Medjugorje, Pope Francis also said "This is not the mother of Jesus." See Rome Reports on RUclips: 'Pope Francis' opinion on the Medjugorje apparitions', 7 years ago.
Correction: The Church has not officially approved any of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje. In May 2019, Pope Francis authorized pilgrimages to Medjugorje, providing that they do not present the alleged apparitions as being approved by the Church.
Correction: The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was defined in 1854 by Pope Pius IX, BEFORE the Lourdes apparitions in 1858. (Papal bull Ineffabilis Deus)
Why would anyone even think what rome said of late on any subject would be different to all the crazy changes of modernity in the last seventy years.
Let us just meditate on the Cross of Christ.
This woman is not telling the truth. The Bishop never approved any of the apparitions. Quite the opposite actually.
The bishop did not but a Vatican commission that went there to investigate made a report. The report said the 1st seven apparition are authentic. This is easily verified.
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If it's easily verified then prove it. Give reliable references and sources IF they exist.
Father Leon Periera is a holy priest. I agree with Father Murr's silence.
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I'm sorry there's just something about medjugorie that just doesn't ring true for me.
Yes Priests had conversions, but novus ordo fruit. Lots of Liturgical abuse beyond. Sorry, but not sorry. I am too skeptical of this particular papacy speaking about Medjugorje. I mean no disprespect.
If there are positive fruits, it's because of how many rosaries are said there. My humble opinion only. I'm definitely skeptical.
From Ireland i am great follower of Medugorje.
Međugorje during the Bosnian War
On 2 April 1995, at the high point of conflict within the local diocese, Bishop Ratko Perić was kidnapped by Croat militiamen, beaten, and taken to a chapel run by one of the Franciscans associated with Međugorje, where he was held hostage for ten hours. Wikipedia.
Oh dear.
I have to ask how about the message of La Salette, Fatima and Akita. It was never been given an announcement from Rome
The mission of divine mercy in Texas put out a very interesting and exciting message from God.
I have a question regarding Medjugorje. Why would Our Lady cause all of this chaos and confusion and battles between otherwise good and faithful Catholics? The Church cannot ever give approval or condemn it since the 'messages' keep going on and on and on and on...and on and on. This seems very un-Marian like to me. All the other apparitions have STOPPED and then the Church has made her declaration. I have serious doubts about this one, and was called worse than Stalin 11 years ago by a person who was born and lived there and now lives in the USA. I simply did not need to hear how the 'peace' and 'joy' there is what I should go and 'feel' as it 'feels' like on other place. Well, excuse me, but at Adoration in the Presence of Jesus Christ my King, my Lord amd my God is PEACE. So Mary is non-stop talking and that is NOT like her at all. So FEW but POWERFUL words were recorded of Mary in the Sciptures. Just seems off for 43 years NON STOP messages that only the 'seer' can hear/see? Not obedient to the Church and the first local bishop's assessment. Mary is most obedient. The seers have not been so much and not one went on to religious life. ODD. It's caused so much discord among even my close friends, I will never support it and have NO desire to go there! I don't need an exotic 'trendy' apparition site to spend money I do not have and then to go in debt is not wise either.
Thank you, Father Murr! Thank you, so MUCH for your wise words, short and forthright answer regarding this ALLEGED apparition.
You have lost my trust. I hope FR Murr has the theological sense to distrust Medjugorie. Pope John Paul II advised people not to go there in the eighties because it had not been approved, so I went to Fatima instead. And, when I read the supposed statements of the Blessed Mother, they seemed to be very syncretistic (aside from all the scandals associated with it). Regardless of what the vatican comes up with, I believe it to be bad theology, along with others like Kennedy Hall, etc.
Kennedy hall is not the authority of the church, even though he thinks he is
@@eh4306True but Tucho Fernandez too
Fr. Murr stated he is not a follower of it.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea who this Malcolm Muggeridge is...hard to understand what she is talking about.
Perhaps, the next step is to restore the canons regular. They did great work throughout europe during the middle ages.
I struggle with Christine’s repeatedly calling St. John Paul II, just “John Paul”. Not even Pope John Paul II. Seems disrespectful.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea who this Malcolm Muggeridge is...hard to understand what she is talking about.
It’s a cult 😢
I'm in Ireland Ireland and agreat follower of Medugorje.
Background noise!!!!! Rick K
Your guest was wrong in at least 2 major points. 1) The Vatican has NOT approved the first seven apparitions in Medjugorje as your guest said it did; 2) It was four years EARLIER that Pope Pius IX dogmatically declared the Immaculate Conception a truth of the Catholic faith when Our Lady spoke to Saint Bernadette and told her her name.
These are important facts to get right.