How do you make sense of contradictions in the Bible?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2013
- www.veritas.org/talks - Cambridge scholar Peter Williams answers USC's toughest questions about the Bible at The Veritas Forum. Moderated by Dead Sea Scroll expert Bruce Zuckerman.
In this clip, Williams and Zuckerman share their perspectives on how to deal with contradictions in the Bible. Williams suggests that many such cases are deliberate contradictions to draw out important meanings, and that he hasn't found any unreconcilable statements. Zuckerman suggests that the writers were more concerned with the message and less than the details.
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These guys said a whole lot of nothing when it comes to the contradictions of the bible, I am a Christian but their explanations suck I cannot deny it.
To be completely honest, its called tap dancing on the question, he doesn't answer the question as asked. He just want to assert what he already believe.
It pains me to not to see honesty in a man of God.
@@justingichohi470 Ok but there are ZERO CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE PERIOD ...e.g. on the first example ...the God loved the world one ...it's very easy , John 3:16 when saying "world" is referring to all of MANKIND not the planet Earth ...the very next verse corroborates this:
"he didn't come to the world to condemn the world but so that the world could be saved through him"
here he is clearly talking about people and more specifically the non believers
Paul when he said "world" was talking about the things non-Christians do such as greed, money , fame and so on, Paul said christians are hence commanded to NOT LOVE those things.
The one in Samuel that says God doesn't change, we have to see in what change in that verse really means iN RESPECT TO WHAT... in that passage God was speaking to the REMNANT of the Israelites or the tribe of Judah, with reference to them God was simply saying he doesn't change with respect to the promise he made to Abraham that his seed would go on to live forever....the tribe of Judah is still around and the other 11 tribes were destroyed by the Assyrians and Babylonians. No contradiction whatsoever
@@AutotuneSucksBalls Congratulations for your effort in cherry picking. The Bible is FULL of contradictions. My favourite one is the episode regarding Moses in Exodus, trying to convince the pharaoh to let his people go. God gives Moses 3 magic tricks to show the Pharaoh that God is by his side, but he won't be convinced specifically because God will harden his heart to not be convinced. Isn't this a straight, huge contradiction? Later on, he also kills the firstborns of slaves as well, showing he doesn't care at all about slavery. But even if you could have a reason for all of this, it would still not matter, for the Exodus of the Israelites, just as Noah's Ark, the Genesis and lots of other tales have been shown to be fabrications and never actually took place.
@@michaelbellini3946 I love how you protected yourself from being proven wrong by the comment at the end: "even if you could have a reason for all of this, nothing actually took place"
Ok well, yes there is a reason. It could get lengthy so let me just shorten it a bit. God hardened Pharaohs hearth not directly but by allowing the Pharaoh to be possessed by satan himself. See brother, all that business with the serpent talking to Eve and all that is grossly misunderstood and taken out of proportion by both haters and believers alike. the "serpent' is nothing more than the PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF SATAN, or satan in a physical form, given he is a SPIRIT. Likewise JESUS is the physical manifestation of another Spirit, the Spirit of God "in the beginning was the Word (Spirit) and the Word became FLESH (a human Being/Jesus)" John 1-1-14 -
That said let me prove to you that satan and the pharaoh were the same person:
"Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon (satan) that lieth in the midst of his rivers" Ezekiel 29-
"Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters" HERE GOD IS USING A BEAUTIFUL TREE AS AN ALLEGORY TO SATAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN:
"The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees (ANGELS) were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree (ANGEL) in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him, To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth (HELL) . This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD"
King James Bible
I'll explain "slavery" in a separate reply .
@@AutotuneSucksBalls I don't think that kind of interpretation can really be made. God is crystal clear when in Exodus 4, 21 it's written: -The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go"-.
The same kind of statement occurs 6 other times in Exodus and always points to God as acting to harden the heart of the pharaoh and even his generals (not in all of these passages). Saying that satan was involved even when not said specifically would allow any statement of God to be possibly misunderstood because possibly having been stated by satan instead.
Besides, in those passages of Ezekiel, the pharaoh is said to had been sent to the Sheol, which is not really hell but a place for everybody who dies, according to the descriptions
"Thou shall not kill". But God orders Moses to kill a man for gathering stones on the Sabbath. Hmmm? Sounds like a contradiction to me.
What God conveys in the commandment "thou shall not kill" is completely different from the old testament passage. In the commandment perspective, thou shall not kill, He is referring to personal ambitions, in other words, killing for personal reasons, for example, I'm to kill this person because I hate him/her. Only through God's command they are allowed to kill because it is through violation of or disobedience towards Him (sin), are they allowed to kill. There is no contradiction, only misinterpretation from others and yourself ( no personal attack intended, just saying it like it is).
This is your opinion. No where in the bible does it give a description of each commandment. You interpret the way you want it. Just like slavery in the bible, you all make it sound like people were volunteering to be slaves.
It's not a matter of opinion or speculation, but a matter of research. Throughout the bible, it is evident that God "contradicts" Himself only if there is some form of disobedience or going against His will (sin) actions taking place. The bible is indeed interpreted many ways, on that I can agree, however, it's the manner in which an individual studies and researches the context and through will one truly know the signification of the bible as a whole.
***** what do you mean?
kill and murder are two different commands.
I have just one thing to say:
For the sake of audio engineers everywhere, STOP HITTING THE MICROPHONES!
The Bible is FULL OF CONTRADICTION.
Dickens never claimed that the "Tale of Two Cities" was an accurate and god-given presentation of reality, so - false analogy. And then you just keep making false claims and making wrong deductions. Sad.
Exactly
It was the best of times for some people living in luxury and the worst of times for some people living in poverty how is that passage not understood. Dickens thought people were smart enough to figure out what he meant.
@@hydrolito - the way that YOU wrote the passage, it’s easy to understand, BUT, that’s NOT how Dickens actually wrote it, is it? The way that HE wrote it, it’s easy for a lot of people to have a difficult time knowing what he meant. Apparently, Dickens wasn’t smart enough to realize that the people of his time, and others, weren’t smart enough to “understand” what he meant, at least not the way that he wrote it.
Apparently you missed his point entirely.
@@MattWSandford who missed who's point?
brilliant!
i would say that nearly all contradictions mentioned by people who do not study the bible are non-sense and are answerable by simply reading the context before and after the supposed contradiction in most cases. in other cases it takes about 30min or less to look up very reasonable logical answers to these supposed contradictions.
Amazing, every single christian interprets the bible according to their own perspective. Therefore God ends up being a reflexion of themselves.
Well that's quite flatly false. The big difference between Liberal "Christianity" and all other Christians is that the Liberals are the ones who interpret the bible according to their own perspective, creating a new god. Everybody else (excluding heretics who many not consider themselves Christians) believes in basically the same God with minor doctrinal differences. Ergo the widespread acceptance of Lewis's Mere Christianity. You'll find that Liberals (proportionally speaking) dislike the book while everybody else agree with it.
Protestants, both liberal and evangelical, intrepret the Bible according to their own perspective. Catholics rely on the doctrinal Tradition and teaching authority of the Catholic Church, which has not, in 2000 years, changed any of her core doctrines.
"Lean not unto your own understanding."
--Proverbs 3:5
Not true. You are stating as opinion as a fact. There is no way of knowing nor proving your opinion to be true.
We were made in the image of God. We were given a choice at the beginning of humanity whether we rule the world with Gods wisdom, or rule with our own judgement of what is good and evil. You can clearly see the choice that was made even if you don’t share the same faith. People who are evil have a reflection of themselves that they are blind to and those that actively polish their own reflection see clearer and clearer which would come with goodness and love. Obviously peoples ideas of what is good or bad changes from every person to person but the ultimate good is what I believe everyone wants to strive for. You want to be good and just right? Can’t be that without some reflection. The Bible is this sharpening stone for your own perspective. An effective sharpening stone is rough and gives resistances, mainly resistance to one’s own desires and feelings. Nobody is every truly without blemish. No one’s perfect but the pursuit of Truth will set you free. That is what no one can argue against
So basically......I can't really explain so I'll just ramble for 10 minutes so you forget the original question and become that bored that you think 'Okay, let's just move on'!
Nepsis right! LMAO
Yeah, spot on. What the fut is he talking about?
You just made an extremely vague comment, without pointing to where he was off course. How do I know you understand what he said & found it rambling, rather than you lack the will to understand, therefore it is rambling? I followed him just fine.
Yeah, total waste of time he should be jailed for misleading or fined atleast...
@@mackdmara confirmation bias. That's why you understood. That's also most likely why the original commenter couldn't follow.
There can't be contradictions if there are different scenarios.
exactly right loll this comment is so simple yet so smart
True you have to take in account context
When one encounters seeming contradictions within the Bible the apparent contradiction lay within the understanding of what the mind of the observer perceives and not within the meaning of the text of scripture.
If your eternal soul is at stake, and the 'How To' book guiding you on how to get your soul up to heaven is full of contradictions, then that's highly problematic.
You'd think THE most important aspect of the New Testament, ie the divine resurrection of Jesus Christ, the entire crux around the meaning & purpose of this claim, has to be absolutely clear & without any doubt or confusion.
Surely God, when sending his son to be crucified for the redemption of all of fallen mankind, would've easily made sure, to absolutely make sure, everyone who's anyone was absolutely sure, that they understood what was going on.
But, what do we have? Gospels written by anonymous authors that are translations of other authors writing decades after & who may or may not have been witnesses to Jesus & his apostles. We are getting translations of translations of oral stories from decades past.
And that's for the best of them, ie Mark. The rest seem to be copying Mark & his sources.
And then we have Paul. A guy who claimed to have a vision. He might have known Jeseus' brother James? He wrote a bunch of stuff & we are to just accept it as gold.
That's so weak. What God would leave THE MOST IMPORTANT aspects of his revelation to a few decades old translations of translations? Just poppy cock.
Y Tehrani You are right about it. "The MOST IMPORTANT aspects of his revelation" should be clear. That's why we need the the Holy Spirit to guide us. Without him we'll always miss the point. It is like trying to interpret a legal contract by oneself without the proper guidance of a qualified professional (an attorney).
;) Have a nice day.
John 14:17-18
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, for it does not see Him, neither does it know Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you, and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you fatherless. I will come to you.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14&version=MEV
John 16:12 “I have yet many things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own authority. But He will speak whatever He hears, and He will tell you things that are to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will receive from Me and will declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is Mine. Therefore I said that He will take what is Mine and will declare it to you.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A12&version=MEV
2 Peter 1:20-21
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of the Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy at any time was produced by the will of man, but holy men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+1&version=MEV
@@jcTorres813
way to miss the point entirely. ffs
@@ob2249 By the contrary dude, that's exactly the point. You cannot receive revelation without the Holy Spirit, despite how 'clear the guide' is, and you cannot receive the Holy Spirit without acknowledging that you (every one of us) have committed sin, repent and ask for forgiveness. Salvation is achieved by repentance, not by understanding every detail of 'the guide'. We all know the difference between good and evil, so we can not play the 'the Bible wasn't clear enough' card on judgment day. It is perfectly clear what we need to do to be saved, and we know it. The rest comes after that through the Holy Spirit. It is what it is, you don't get to tell God what the 'rules' are, it's the other way around. After all it's his Heaven, his Earth, and our souls belong to him too.
God could have just forgiven mankind instead of getting his son crucified saying, why have you left me? But since since 3 is one, was he complaining to Himself?
How to make sense of contractions: 1] Put hands over ears. 2] Say "the bible is God's word." 3] REPEAT ad nauseam
"Contractions"?
put hand over ears and cover eyes ignore peoples questions and confuse them more= atheism and agnosticism YEP lets make it worse
I'm guessing you had a difficult time in your high school literature class.
lol he doesn't actually explain or give an answer to contradictions in the Bible. He literally waffled his answer.
//How do you make sense of contradictions in the Bible?// By saying there aren't any of course.
EXPLANATION - All the contradictions in the Bible 004 - 2000 or 3000 baths -
ruclips.net/video/UvQURSH9nD0/видео.html
That seems to be the christian's favorite tactic: Sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming so they can't hear evidence against the perfection of the book that promises them eternal life…
If you put everything out of context, anything can be a contradiction. You can test if by saying it's early morning in your place but from someone who you chat online, they said it's midnight. Those two are in complete contradiction so therefore they're cannot be both true, right? Both are false since logically it cannot be early morning and midnight at the same time. And yet, if you know that there are different time zone across the globe, you begin to understand that both "contradicting accounts" can actually happen and are factually true. It isn't a contradiction at all if you know the context behind it. The same with the Bible - and everything else, for that matter.
These type of Christians are the most hated on this earth, because deep down they know they have Been caught with a book full of lies and contradictions. No way is that the WORD OF MY GOD.....
I got to 1min 12sec and threw up. What a knot these guys tie themselves up in.
Something that I never understood was why didn't God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit mention the other cultures in the world? Like the Native Americans in the North and South, or the Aboriginees who had complete peace with the earth that God created. What about the Asian world as well? God doesn't mention these people, in fact the Bible seems to focus only on the ancient Western cultures. I haven't thoroughly read the Bible so I'm sure I missed a lot, it's what's left out that makes me wonder...
jack mac
a great question christians cannot answer. the obvious answer is because the writers of the bible had no idea they existed. because the whole world to them was their backyard only.
its almost as if they made it all up. lol
If the bible is full of contradictions, and it is, how can it be the word of God.
They never answer the questions yet they agree that there are contradictions in the bible so my question is does Almighty God contradict him self or those books are wrote and invented by a different men who wrote their ideas and pple just happen to believe its a book of God
Every book ever written is inerrant according to this method of interpretation. It means nothing then.
My problem with biblical contradictions has a more fundamental issue. God is supposedly All loving, yet he spends much of the Old Testament as a seemingly vindictive and particularly unloving deity.
lol perhaps they were just drama queens describing. King james wrote it so
That's a good question. I would say two things. First, mentioning everyone wasn't the purpose of God in it. He dealt primarily with one culture for a long while (discussion outside the scope of this comment), and so mentioning those cultures was just not relevant. Second, the Bible deals primarily with humans on the wides scale, in that the intention is to speak to all peoples in all times. Titus 3:8, specifically the last sentence, sums that up, I think.
It's precisely because of what's written in the bible that I am an atheist. Do you believe the bible is the inspired word of God? I am certainly not blaming God for every little problem because as far as I can see, he does not exist.. if I see any credible evidence, I will change my mind. William, how can you punish people for sins commited by people thousands of years ago, and didn't God know the outcome when he left Adam and Eve alone? he's all knowing isn't he? even with free will, he knew.
Try reading the Quran my friend.
People who do not want to believe love to make merry with definitions, since that is the only way their excuses have any prayer of standing.
But is it not showing bias only mentioning the few and knowing of all?
Humans have mastered that skill from god!
The way he sits there and casually lies about the contradictions in the Bible is mind-boggling. They know that they can no longer deny that there are contradictions and that's why the new cover up is, "the authors did that on purpose ". 🤦♂️
@Deyandra Hutama It is an obligation upon us all to search for the truth in order to attain salvation. If a text that is considered to be the word of God has contradictions in it, then it cannot be from God. Something cannot be black and white at the same time.
Unlike the Bible, the Quran which is the last revelation to mankind, does not have contradictions.
I therefore invite you to grab a copy of the Quran and read it for yourself. You will not find any contradictions in it.
Peace.
@Deyandra Hutama What's your point?
@Deyandra Hutama Yes not clear. What's your point?
@Deyandra Hutama I didn't ask you to repeat your question. I asked for clarification. What's your point.?
@Deyandra Hutama No that's not your point, that's your question. If I had no intention of answering, I wouldn't repeatedly ask you to clarify your question.
So again, what's your point? Of what relevance is this to the subject matter?
The issue is how much damage is done to the narratives by a contradiction, not are there any. No one is perfect & neither were the men who wrote this stuff down originally. If it doesn't significantly impact the work, it is negligible.
Often it is a misunderstanding of history, not a misunderstanding of the writers, that results in what people would call a contradiction or error.
From a muslim perspective, god never mentioned the books/scriptures of Jesus and Moses (Injeel and Taurah) are to be preserved. It wasnt fated. Thats where Prophet Muhammad pbuh comes in with the Al-Quran
Aal-e-Imran 3:3
نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَ
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
get Quran App:goo.gl/w6rESk
I think sir the contradictions are there because either they where high or didn't remember the original copies exactly what was in them I mean which is it god change his mind or he didn't because they are two different things like prof bart ehrman said about 5000 mistakes errors contradictions and human adding to the bible which makes it not God's Word s
you have to see the context friend don't be foolish all you skeptics have you even read the entire bible at least once? I'm willing to say none of you have. When God said I "do not change" we have to see who he was talking to and what change means with respect to what. I could change clothes or change my mind but you wouldn't know which it is if I just say "change" and nothing else would you? The verse when God said "I do not change that's why you haven't been consumed" he was talking to the REMNANT , that is what was going to be left over of the 12 tribes of Israel after being destroyed by the Assyrians and Babylonians as a judgement form God for their wickedness and idolatry. That remnant was the tribe of Judah (Yahudim) or JEWS, these people God let live because of his promise to Abraham that his seed would go on to live forever, God cannot break a promise or "change" his mind with respect to a promise , he kept it and the Jews are still around. That's it no contradiction
There’s a problem with his explanation. He answered the question early on and then still wanted to give a long drawn out answer that not only not answered the question but also made his point have less if an impact. Contradictions? There aren’t any in the bible. You have to know context. What is being spoken of in context? What does it mean? What did it mean then and what does it mean now? He also tried to imply that he also believes in evolution in the macro sense. How? He said that language has only been around for the last few centuries or so. What does that mean? How many is a few? Did he just ignore that human speech and language has been around since creation of man? Or does he not believe in evolution and meant he believes in a young earth?
Evading the point in question by a play upon words. Quibbling.
Genesis 32 - Jacob tells Esau after wresting with God - "i have seen the face of God"
John 1:18 "No man has seen the face of God"
They are all full of crap
"No man", when it appears in scripture, should be interpreted as PRACTICALLY no man.
"Nobody dances the jitterbug any more'" is actually a true statement. Very few people do. You can go to night club after night club in town after town and not see anybody jitterbugging. But it's not LITERALLY true---some few people here and there still jitterbug.
Sometimes when you read the Bible, or try to discern God's will, or do anything, you have to apply a little common sense.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh No man means no man. Since the bible says the Lord/God made many appearances and wrestles with Jacob "I've seen the face of God" this is a contradiction. Now stop lying. Thou shall not tell a lie!
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh You have NO common sense.
@@truman5838 Thanks for making my point for me, Tru Man. The Bible says in some places that no man has ever seen God, and that no one sees God and lives, but it also says Jacob saw the face of God! So when it says no one has seen the face of God it means PRACTICALLY no one, like practically no one does the jitterbug any more.
Because of contradictions like this in scripture, the Bible cannot be interpreted literally word for word. We need the Catholic Church's infallible teaching authority to interpret the Bible for us.
God didnt see it neccessary to preseve the book..so how can we believe
How you make since of the Bible contradictions. First realize there are none and second watch my videos in the playlist of who the gospels are talking too and you will see what groups are being spoken too. It’s 3 different groups 3 different timelines for end time eyes.
When Balaam inquired of Yah on behalf of Moab to curse Israel Balaam said, God doesn't change His mind. When he speaks of Israel He says that He will not change His mind. When He should destroy them, he stops; because of His promises. It's not a contradiction.
3:23 This guy says there aren't easy to see concrete contradictions like, the example he cites, present in the Bible. Either a person was in place A or in place B.
But, just reading the Gospels, there are many basically contradictory examples like this. Who came to the tomb to discover it was empty? Were there angels there or just men? Where were the apostles told to go after the crucifiction? Was the robe purple or red/scarlet? Was the tomb's stone in place or was it already open? And on & on. These are such basic things that one would think a basic editor would say, 'hang on, we've gotta get this stuff aligned'. But, alas no. And, to top it off, there are ppl who argue these contradictions prove the validity of these accounts because people's everyday testimony tends to differ. Man, that's some clever mind fuckery going on.
Let me tell you something. It's ALL bullshit. Quit wasting your time w/ this crap, go be a decent, loving human being, be good to each to other & stop worrying about this evil dictator in the sky rubbish. Peace, out!
Genesis Abraham meets 3 men, they are the lord and 2 angels so angels are men.
All your questions are answered in the bible. You seem to be have issues with 2 things. 1-either you haven’t read the bible or you don’t understand it and 2-you seem you be upset with God. Let me ask you, if you don’t mind, why? Why don’t you believe? What has happened in your life to where you refuse to believe?
Kent Hovind Creation seminars.. Also Kent hovind bible contradictions. And there are a LOT of places here on youtube to help you. You must care enough to at least try and listen if you're willing to waste your time to watch all of this and then tell everyone to not watch it.
Look. I truly want you to understand facts and science and GOD.. Try watching. You have EVERYTHING to gain.. God Bless and I pray you have come around.
You're very full of hate and ignorance. Just watch. If you're not convinced then you can always say you tried. Otherwise, what are you doing but just arguing about something you know nothing about.
Well said, Dr. Williams. The good thing about having thousands of documents from the NT is that you can go back and check the scriptures. I also agree with Bruce Zuckerman, I don't find a problem with the difference between Genesis 1 and Gen. 2. One gives an overall view of creation and the other focuses on the placing of man in the garden, so what. There is nothing wrong with declaring contradictions (apparent) in the scriptures (higher criticism) such as Bart Ehrman does. However, that does not mean that ancient authors have to fit into the category of precise interpretations. The overall meaning remains the same. I do not deny that some scriptures are difficult to reconcile, however there is more than one way to skin the cat, so to speak. There are ways to reconcile many of these supposed contradictions (paradoxes). Modern skeptics like to charge believers by saying, there you go trying to reconcile that which is not reconcilable. That is their opinion - these were human authors whom God used to tell a narrative. It is only fair and wise to look at the reality of such disparities, such as the resurrection accounts and ask if we, today, are merely charging the authors with imprecision, when the truth of the matter is that there was so much happening in these accounts that they recorded them in such as way that time and circumstance must be considered. The resurrection accounts and other events are recorded in all four gospels, indicative of their importance. One account has the women running to the garden, another records the Roman centurion, another this, etc., So what!
But there was no contradictions
@@pendragonshall I know that and agree.
Bla bla bla and all he did was show off his skill of speaking continuously without making us realise that he wasn't answering the questions
The book that was revealed to Jesus peace be upon him was changed by human being that is why u can simply find so much contradictions in it so God sent another prophet to guide human being and he sent with him a book called the holy Quran and the challenge is in the book that it says if this book was from other than God then if would have contained contradictions
If you find single contradiction in the holy Quran its not from God and more than 1400 years no body ever found one
What you have in the Bible is a God who spent thousands of years being deeply offended by one & all, finally solving the seeming crisis by taking everyone's due punishment on Himself, thereby leaving the ball in your court as to whether or not you will come to know Him as He truly is.
If someone is going to blame God for every little problem in the world, then they are logically required to blame Him for all the myriad ways they have violated Him in their own life, even though He didn't do it.
also as to when you say "particularly unloving deity." it might seem that way when one cherry picks Gods judgment verses, but the bible is the only religious text that tells us God loves everyone, even the sinner. it is unique in this sense. it takes much study, but you can easily see that Israel was a unique chosen nation which was a picture of things. God shows us many things in them including what happens when people are judged accordingly. stoning adulterers to death is an example.
It says Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated, however Esau was cheated out of his father's bless and Jacob was the crook that stole it.
A caring god who wanted to communicate with us wouldn't need help
Explsin why i am a sinner for something somebody else did 2000 plus years ago
Jerome Savary - umm, you're a sinner when you sin. We all sin.
Matthew 24:4 where is your evidence that the bible is true and factual???
because you are the decedent of Adam, the common ancestor of all mankind.
Kim that makes no sense
why not?
There are contradictions in the Bible because it was written by men. A perfect God cannot create an imperfect holy book.
There are no contradictions friend , none.
@@AutotuneSucksBalls Genesis 32 - Jacob tells Esau after wresting with God - "i have seen the face of God"
John 1:18 "No man has seen the face of God"
@@davemwangi05 "God" isn't Yahweh brother it's "Elohim" in Hebrew, Yahweh is the Most High "Elohim" could be an angel with God's spirit inside him , even a human (Jesus)
did Jacob see the face of YAHWEH? here is the verse cited (right to left)
biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/32-30.htm
Some will argue that Elohim and Yahweh are the same in the bible .....yes , in all English translations it says "Lord" for both , but the Hebrew does make the distinction , when addressing Yahweh the Hebrew always says "Yahweh" even if the translation doesn't . Seeing God or the "Lord" doesn't mean seeing Yahweh, Jesus was God but NOT YAHWEH .
this verse addresses Yahweh
biblehub.com/interlinear/joel/1.htm
the same verse in all English translations (like the video maker used for this joke of a video )
biblehub.com/joel/1-1.htm
The face of Yahweh was never seen by anyone, not Moses not Jacob or anyone else. Jesus is the only one that knows the Father (Yahweh)
@@AutotuneSucksBalls I was a Christian but I did intense soul searching when I found contradictions in bible and eventually I became Muslim because I couldn't find not one contradiction in Quran that's why I believe it's truth!! one contradiction in bible is that in one gospel John the Baptist declares "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" but in another gospel John is in jail and sends his disciples to find out if Jesus is the Messiah!! that's a contradiction, in one gospel he testifies of Jesus and in another he doesn't know!!
indeed, but you need to take the whole word of God into account and study these seemingly hard to think about passages. believe me when i tell you these youtube objections to the bible are easily answered logically. the reason why i say "indeed" is because i understand even deeper questions about Gods word saying things like "God creates evil" and so on, so the youtube objections are nothing compared to deeper scripture. but make no mistake the whole counsel lines up exactly with Gods attributes
pimplahdon
you talk absolute nonsense.
there are a glaring contradictions in the bible which illustrate very effectively that it is the word of fallible men not an infallible god.
how about a contradiction by omission ?
how about " do not enslave another human being " as a commandment" ?
now you will make even more of a fool of yourself by doing a dishonest little dance to justify slavery.
tell me it was a different kind of slavery. lol not real slavery but a kinder they`re lucky they have a job type of slavery.
( a christian actually used that in conversation with me to justify enslaving human beings) such are the high moral standards of christians. lol
I think a clever god would use contadiction as a way to bring a point across ...like a poet would describeing sth bitter sweet..just a thought
There are no contradictions. These are explained within the bible if you study. Most "contradictions" are just people not truly reading what they think is a contradiction.
I was an atheist 20 yrs. Then God put His hand on me leading me thru Scripture I did not want to face. Honesty wouldn't allow me to deny Him.
People suffer hell because of their OWN sins, not those of their ancestors. YOU suffer for YOU sin.
Adam & Eve: Of course He knew; He also knew that He would take the price on Himself in His own flesh (Isaiah 53).
Credible Evidence: Read Darwin's Doubt, to get a good start, there. If your mind is not closed, it should knock Darwin clean out of there.
William Maddock I grew up in the church and I always told the bible is the word of God, I believe in God because I've felt him and in my life and experienced his love... I will admit some parts don't align, but I refuse to rule out God because of human error... It's important to realize we have the right to read scripture and ask God how it should lead our lives. A preacher can't tell you, a friend, or a relative... It's important to seek the LORD and ask him for guidance and truth above all things!
The Bible Says that God is Jealous God, it also says that " God is a Holy god and can be nothing but Holy? But if I were to brake the 10 commandments i would not be considered Holy. Which to covet thy neighbors property is to be Jealous of thy neighbors Property, which is not Holy. So if God is Jealous he is not Holy or Righteous. Becaus to brake the 10 commandments is not holy. Therefore the Bible is In Contradiction. The image of god not devote. So the Bible is in improper accumulation of what Holiness means, which is a major lac in a political identity or Politically correct identity.
You are confusing apples and oranges when it comes to the meaning of "jealousy" friend , please allow me to explain.
God used "jealous" in an allegoric way to his relationship with Israel, ALL THROUGHOUT THE OT, He considered Israel as his "wife" in spiritual sense, he describes this relationship extensively , when Israel went after false Gods and forgot about their covenant with Him he entered in a state of jealousy like a husband becomes jealous when someone tries to take what's lawfully his, and what belongs to him rightfully in common agreement through the institution of marriage. God was "married" to Israel though a COVENANT a mutual agreement that Israel later broke. He called israel a "harlot" that went after its "lovers" , The jealousy you are describing is a different jealousy , it's more coveting another person's property rather that the feeling you get when your wife/property has fallen in strange hands. Here is one of the descriptions of jealousy I found in a paper in modern psychology:
Jealousy : When a person perceives a threat to a valued relationship from a third party.
God can be both Holy and also perceive that threat described above and have feelings about it without any change in his Holiness.
God bless friend
This is a great example of why philosophers really should stick to discussing inanimate objects, instead of discussing the word of God!
mercy fields
yeah philosophers tend to have the knack of pointing out inconsistencies in lousy arguments like yours.
If its not a conttrsdiction then its lies
Not necessarily, Jerome.
Suppose you are a police detective. 14 witnesses tell you A shot B, but witness #1 says the perp had a red shirt, witness #2 says he had a blue shirt, #3 says he was tall, #4 short, #5 says he ran away, #6 says he walked away, etc.
The four gospels differ on details such as these. But the GIST, the ESSENTIALS, agree. Thank God we have the Catholic Church's infallible teaching authority to explain what the scriptures mean.
The simplest strategy to make sense of contradictions in the Bible:
Just acknowledge that:
1) Every word of that collection of writings was written by a fallible human.
2) Every claim made in the Bible was made by a fallible human.
3) Every claim made about the Bible was/is made by a fallible human.
4) Every interpretation of the Bible was/is made by a fallible human.
5) The Bible is therefore the "Word of Humans" and NOT the "Word of God."
There. It is now entirely comprehensible.
My comments, @Deyandra Hutama, do not require blind faith.
They are easily confirmed by any independent thinker.
No assumptions required.
No twisting into mental pretzels of contradiction required.
¿Care to seriously debate any claim in my original post?
… Without resorting to "faith,"
which just means "I believe it because I want to believe it,"
or "I obediently believe it because I was told to believe it by my religious masters."
Sure @Deyandra Hutama.
People who are either Christian or Jewish (for the Old Testament anyway) treat the Bible as "The Word of God." But we have exactly zero words in writing that "God" himself wrote down.
So every claim about "God said, God did, God wants" is just fallible humans claiming "God said, God did, God wants." There is exactly zero definitive instruction from "God" anywhere.
Even regarding the New Testament:
Jesus himself chose to not write down one definitive word of instruction.
(Personally, I consider that choice of Jesus to be extremely significant.)
We have the alleged recollections of first hand witnesses (apostles) and 2nd hand witnesses (Paul). Paul's letters, assuming they're validated as in his own handwriting, are still 2nd hand witness as Paul never met Jesus in person, so we have Paul's fallible understanding of his visions and Paul's entirely fallible interpretation of what this new religion should be.
That brings up another point: Even an eye witness does not necessarily understand the meaning and significance of what it is they were witness to.
So all interpretations of direct spiritual experiences any particular biblical writer had are their own imperfect and fallible interpretations.
Biblical writers made a lot of claims about the significance and meaning of their writings.
Any claims about "God" being the inspiration or giving dictation, etc. are fallible human claims.
No one can even begin to accurately comprehend any biblical text as long as that person indulges in the indefensible belief that the Bible is unquestioningly the "Word of God."
Absolutely none @Deyandra Hutama.
And it's long overdue for people to stop pretending there is anything "authored by God."
@Deyandra Hutama,
¿Have you ever heard of a book claimed to have been written by the Earth?
¿Have you ever heard of a book claimed to have been written by an elephant?
¿Maybe you've heard of a book claimed to have been written by the Pacific Ocean?
If someone presented you with such a claim, ¿Would you take that claim seriously?
Of course not.
¿So why is it that when Christians read a collection of books written by human beings,
that they believe claims it is "The Word of God?"
@Deyandra Hutama, Christians always speak of the Bible as "The Word of God."
¿Are you seriously claiming otherwise?
¿Have you ever heard of a book about elephants being referred to as "The Word of the Elephant?
The one I struggle with is that woman came from man, as Genesis teaches - although I do appreciate that the story teaches that men and women were meant to function together. Anyway, genetics shows that we all develop inside our mothers starting as pairs of XX chromosomes. It’s when one pair mutates into Y chromosomes that the fetus is on its way to being male. Those fetuses that maintain their X chromosomes are born female. That then means that men actually come from women, figuratively and literally. This is exactly opposite to the scriptures.
What an interesting point. Of course, this is not a contradiction within the bible. This is a contradiction between the bible and current scientific understanding.
But, in principle, you could get female genetic material from male genetic material based on what you're saying. You've got the 'X' chromosome. You just have to replicate it. No?
He doesn't knows how to get out that question lol
Um mathew accounts of the birth has it at 6bc and luke has it at 6ad. And you keep saying "I think". Mmmmm I think isnt fact.
That is Good to know a believer . then it must mean the romans did not put it all down in the same generation, for they did not invent a JESUS yay thank you.
can you elaborate please? the birth of Jesus is highly disputed but prophecy has to be taken into consideration
What a load of rubbish. A book that was written hundreds of years ago is just a flipping book. Not a word of a non-existent god.
You should look into some of the evidence out there that peoples around the world knew about God long before missionaries showed up. The ancient Chinese worshipped God, it is written in their language.
I thought it wasn’t the authorship to put stuff in the Bible but just “gods word”
This guy is High! that didn't even make sense at all
The guy with white hair danced around the subject because he didn't understand it himself
The Bible IS full of contradictions Point Blank Period .
They can try as hard as they like but a thinking person will see this as apologist bullshit.
There is no contradiction in the Bible although it appears to be for the moment, thank God and rejoice when you confront on because that’s when God wants you to pay a extra attention to His word therefore pray, research and trust Him.
Can you help me reconcile these two passages? According to Matthew 28, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary encountered an angel when then they first went to the tomb. The angel told them that Jesus had risen, and then on their way back they ran into Jesus. However, according to John 20:2, when Mary came back from the tomb she thought that someone had stolen the body. How should one harmonize this?
@@chad969 I'm trying to do the same. And it's not just those two gospel accounts of the resurrection. None of the four accounts align at all.
@@andrewelam4124
and surprisingly the gospel is taken as gospel. despite the misalignment.
its a phenomenon. people will believe something they like and cling to it regardless of its veracity, and in true trump style double down when challenged with reality.
The very name of this page is laughable- veritas being the truth and/or truthfulness. Nothing about it is anything but assertions and unproven claims. Veritas my uncle Gus!
Human posses intelligent both to define or explain things and to clarify things with the use of other definitions. But sir, I am a stupid human. Because if Jacob is the father of Joseph, then who is Heli???? And then why Joab suck at math? Is it 800.000 men that drew the sword or 1.100.000 ?? Is God twist his own word? or is it Joab? or is it the author? or is it the church?
Conclusion : Whether I am really-really stupid or Bible is not the word of All mighty God.
Another contradiction...
Mathew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
He hung himself in the story and in the other doesn't mention being hanged. I'm sure you'll say he fell from the rope and his guts spilled out
Rim Rider4 _"and also the two secular historians of Philemon and Thallus (they mention strange 3 hour darkness from 3 till 6 as well, note different Jewish time),"_
No, they don't. Just FYI, we don't even know when Thallus' lived so the connection with Jesus' crucifixion is entirely spurious. We don't have his writings either. Rather, we have a quote of a lost work written by Julius Africanus that comments on another lost work by Thallus and saying absolutely nothing about Jesus. I think it's worth pointing out that ancient historians reported all sorts of hearsay and while Africanus' objection to the darkness being caused by an eclipse is correct, it's not at all evidence that the event reported by Thallus even happened - let alone in connection with Jesus' death. The simple explanation, if Africanus is interpreting Thallus correctly, is that Thallus either reports on an impossible event that never happened, or that he is wrong about the darkness happening during a Passover. However, it's hard to tell, as we have no context or even a direct quote of anything.
Rim Rider4 _"People would be making the same attacks of they were the same exact story. Take care :-)"_
Obviously they would not. If they were the same story it would just be a straight copy, as a ton of other stuff is in the gospels. The straight copying from Mark in Luke and Matthew are almost never mentioned by critics of Christianity even though it is massive. The reason for this probably is that the gospels are so implausible in and of themselves that the collaboration factor that clearly is there is a very minor objection compared to, say, the absurdly diverging accounts of the crucifixion - supposedly told by eye witnesses who systematically forget to enumerate the presence of either themselves or the other male eye witnesses, while also disagreeing about which women the event involved and whether supernatural creatures like angels were involved or not.
Now you may scream "Not a contradiction!" all day long, but absolutely nothing about those accounts are even remotely plausible - with the idea that they are eye witness reports being one of the most idiotic claims being made about them. Even if the gospels weren't anonymous and written in the third person, they simply have no credibility on internal grounds. Hell Mark even ends with the women fleeing and allegedly never telling anyone about it. Such a formulation is clearly that of the narrator in a fairy tale, not an eye witness, nor someone who has heard the story from said women as that would be a logical contradiction.
+Rich Garcia
Like all the contradictions that people try to identify, Christian scholars have been researching for hundreds of years. This one has an answer which has been known for about that long. There is not enough information included to realistically cite it as a contradiction. Simple scenarios which may explain the differences are too easy to find.
The video here is evidence of that sort of scholarly investigation. No avoidance is necessary.
The accusation that Luke and Matthew copied Mark is always mentioned, I don't understand? While it's certainly possible that Matthew and Luke "borrowed" information from Mark's gospel, I find it unlikely given two factors: One, all three gospels, when harmonizing over one another, still offer different wordings and different perspectives of the same stories, making it unlikely that they were "copying" off one another. Second, some of Mark's version of the stories are actually longer than Matthew and Luke's, and if the latter two are copying off the former, then it makes less sense why their versions would be shorter. This idea that Mark was first is pushed by scholars only because it's the shortest, this however doesn't need to be the case, Mark could've been shorter for a specific reason. If we're also going with the notion that the other gospels just "added material and embellished it a bit more", this is also a faulty ground considering that Mark has more miracles than all the other gospels, and, again, certain details in overlapping stories that aren't found in Luke and Matthew. There is also plenty of external evidence from the earliest church fathers, many of whom lived in different time periods and lived distant from one another, who all unanimously agreed that the order of the gospels we have is the order they were written in.
Now, as for these supposed "contradictions", it's extremely common for ancient historical documents that depict the same events to be like this. Ancient history wasn't recorded in a linear and factual manner as today's history is, authors would often record history to record, convey, and preserve certain themes behind the historical events they were recording. Which is exactly what you find in the four gospels; four authors telling the same life of the same man, but all having different things to say about him. This fits in line perfectly with how the rest of ancient history was recorded. It's also not uncommon for historical documents to include or omit certain details or whole sections of events altogether. Even ancient historians, such as Josephus, when writing about their own lives would seemingly contradict themselves! Again, the aim of authors at the time was to relay the history with a certain theme, so some details may be more useful or useless in one setting as opposed to another. These are not contradictions, but simply retelling of the same stories from different people. Even today in court cases witnesses to the same crime scenes will retell the same story with a different lens. Any prosecutor, lawyer, and investigator will tell you this. Even if we're performing a little thought experiment, think of it like this: If you and three other people followed around a good friend of yours, let's call him Joey, for a few years and then later someone inquired you to write the most memorable events, would it all be the same? You make like Joey for his taste in music, whereas one friend would like him for his jokes, or another for his charisma, and so forth. Even when stories of Joey would overlap, there's no way it'd be exactly the same. In the resurrection story, you had several women who witnessed it, so of course their stories would vary from one another.
I would also like to point out that if the four gospels retold the same events in Jesus's life exactly the same verbatim, that would actually discredit them as historical documents. Why? Because that would be easy attacks, both from scholars and laymen, that the other three just copied one of them and there was only one individual source as opposed to three. But instead, we have just enough differences between all of them to conclude that most, if not all, of the events in the gospels came from individual sources.
As for Mark having the women allegedly never telling anyone, this can be seen as their initial reaction to keep their mouths shut, but when later meeting with the apostles eventually opening up about what they saw. Mark presents the resurrection story as one that's mysterious and unprecedented in history, whereas Matthew conveys it as fulfillment of OT prophecies and the vindication of Jesus, John as the height of Jesus's power, etc. It all goes back to different people conveying the same story in a different light.
You're also setting the gospels to impossible standards when you mention that the gospel writers didn't mention themselves or other eye witnesses in their versions of the crucifixion. So you're pretty much saying that just because they didn't list every specific person that was there, it's not credible? If you really want to get detailed about this, here. Mark wasn't an apostle, it's theorized that he might've been there during Jesus's arrested and crucifixion, but there's a general agreement that it's actually a recording of Peter's version of the gospel while Mark recorded everything he said. Luke received all of his information from mostly female eye witnesses, he wouldn't have been at the crucifixion. John constantly conveys that he was present for just about every event he records. Matthew doesn't specify whether he was there at the crucifixion or not, but it's possible he was. I would also like to point out that it would've been useless information for the writers to mention each other. The aim was on what was happening to Jesus, not who watched it. If you read the gospels, the only two apostles who are really given a lot of attention are Peter and Judas Iscariot, mainly for theological reasons.
Lastly, I would like to propose an idea: What's most important isn't the fine little historical details in the gospels, but the theological meanings behind them. When it comes to the resurrection story, it doesn't matter how many women were at the tomb, how many angels there were, if Peter went into the tomb and found it empty or not, etc. While all of these things certainly happened, what's important is that Jesus rose from the dead as a vindication of all of His claims about Himself. That He died for our sins and rose again to liberate us from the bondage and slavery of sin. How many women there were doesn't change that powerful fact.
simple there is a old testament and a new testament things changed after jesus died for our sins, it helps to actually read the bible and not just listen to everyone else and don't just read it but study it
Only somebody that has never actually read the bible would say that. There is no sure fire way to not buy into the bullshit of the bible then actually sitting down dissecting it and studying it.
@@kimmygibler760 I'm willing to bet you don't even understand anything that you read tbh. There are so many things that if I mentioned them now you'd probably wouldn't know what I was talking about lol. The Bible is bs to those who haven't read it because they imposed their own misinterpretation upon the text.
Actually, nothing changed from OT to NT in the sense that you mean. For example, the NT says the Father judges no one, but he has given it over to the Son to judge. If you read the OT, you'll see that this same relationship is present between YHWH and the angel of YHWH, who is constantly treated as YHWH yet distinct from YHWH. This is the trinity in the OT (with the angel of YHWH being the eternally-incarnate Yeshua). Many times, if not most of the time, you'll see that YHWH gives it over to the angel of YHWH to judge. It was the angel of YHWH, for example, who said that he would (and who eventually did) bring the plagues upon Egypt, yet somehow people believe YHWH stopped sending plagues after the OT because "Christ forgives"... Yet the Lamb is sending plagues in Revelation!
The Spirit puts to death a man who lied about giving all of his positions to the Apostles. Similarly, a man in the OT was put to death for sexually exploiting his wife by refusing her the marital rights of child birth and spilling his seed on the ground. Both of these people would look at and think "the punishment doesn't fit the crime". Paul (quoting the OT) says that the Law was a curse to the wicked and life to the righteous, which gets misinterpreted because people don't read further into the NT to see that Yeshua is also a curse to the wicked and life to the righteous. Particularly, the language used comes from the Psalms: to the wicked Christ is a stumbling block, but to the righteous Christ is the cornerstone.
Yeshua, who is identified with the glory of YHWH in the NT, is the visible image of the invisible God. YHWH, in the OT, called his glory "my goodness".
I could go on and on, but the point is, the sense in which things have changed is that the reality of what was promised in the OT is now here. The character of YHWH remains the same.
Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank!
There are no contradictions...just humans not understanding it all,linguistically, poetically, and historically. Study with Chuck Missler.
@ Be very wise about how you reference your FATHER.Study with Chuck Missler for a year and come back to me a much smarter man.You will grow in humility one you understand more.Be as a child and open up to the world beyond this time domain.It is so exciting.Bottom line...God is...God is good...Lucifer is. Lucifer is out to gather more souls in his domain.(Misery loves company) Each has a plan.Which side do you want to be on? Mr. Missler died last year but his videos are still educating people all over the world.Yes, intelligent people of all sorts. Become one of them and humble yourself.The Bible is a living ,breathing most truthful message from a source beyond our realm.
@@lumartin1838, You have not answered my questions in any way whatsoever, please read again and give an answer specific to the question, for your information, YT is full of ministries who sees having a ministery as a way of cashing in from gullible people.
If the bible is a message from beyond our realm, can you explain what is that realm?
@@carlvalentine3569 Like I said,study with Missler. He's not one of "those".he is a teacher. An incredibly knowledgeable person.A great opportunity for YOU to get the answers to all your questions.There are answers. He has them. It's up to you.Do you just want to babble and put everybody on the same camp,or are you willing to put in a bit of time with someone who knows the old Hebrew languages and math(which the Bible is replete with codes and math) His work is so exciting,you will be hooked. Most of the people in the audience,when I studied with him for 15 yrs, were professiional young and older men. He will make you realize that the way the Bible was taught to us was very skimpy and very much misunderstood.It will all make sense if you give it a chance.It's up to you. His organization is Koiania House (I'm not sure of the spelling) Take the chip off your shoulder and before you know it YOU will be sending your friends to Missler. Good luck.
@ Carl,just take 24 hrs of your life and listen to Chuck Missler's learn the bible in 24 hrs. study.It will get you started.I' telling you this as the best friend you have right now.Just to give you an example...in Genesis we are told it says..."and the world was void" The perfect translation is "had become void".Implying that is hadn't been void but had gone through a world wide catastrophy before the rest of history told by the rest of the Bible.The Bible will always confirm inn at least 2 other phrases .So,it is known by this,that of course the planet is older than 7000 yrs.This is just ONE of the many concepts that have been explained for those who question the Church's teachings. There is a reason why God in His plan seeped many of His mysteries bit by bit to those who really study to show themselves approved. Open up your mind and being the intelligent person you seem to be to me,YUOU will be the one who will bring more people to greater understanding. Missler touches upon science and history etc.as much as he is able but he always verifies and asks you to inquire using your own devises.His followers are many and they themselves discover the meanings of some of the mysteries.It is so exciting. Try it Carl.We will be best friend after you discover more knowledge. You will be the first one to be exclaiming it to others.This world is held here by many scientific,god made rules,but there are many other dimensions out there that only few people understand just a little right now.But it's opening up. Ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten you.When my little boy died I begged Him to teach me more about the afterlife...and He did.
God Bless you.Stay in touch. open up you ears and eyes and heart to a Mighty Creator who is just waiting to answer all your questions.BUT,be humble as you approach Him .
@ Oh Carl...if you would just take a few hours of your time with Missler.He is not like the others at all. Everyone who studies with him,probably felt the same as you do. WE are not talking "Religion" we are talking TRUTH. Aren't you curious? Life goes by so quickly and ,like I said,when David died,I was desperate to knoe the WHOLE truth,not what the Catholic Church taught us. I knew there were gaps and misunderstandings. Just this one time,test it and see if Missler is a good "fit" for you. He is so full of kowledge,it'a amazing. He talks really fast because he has so much to dole out. He could go on for a week about each sentence but,for lack of time,he ust pours it out. His books are fascinating also. You can start with Learn the Bible in 24 hrs to get an overall view.Then you will want to go line by line from Genesis to Revelation. The Book is perfect and it's actually "mathematically perfect,as well. He goes into Quantum physics ,codes etc.Fascinating. Once your eyes are opened and you ralize...this info came from another source than humans...The prophesies are always accurate...the stories are foretelling events in the future.You never can get to the bottom of everything because it is a living,breathing book of coded information and you can be one of the ones who breaks the code with millions of others. Engineers love Missler's teachimgs;as well as scientists.It explains so many things that we all wondered about. And he doesn't even scratch the surface. Try it and let me know if he has piqued your interest,at least.
contexualise the bibilical text by three level , plain meaning, prophecies and parables and uunderstanding can only be achieved by knowing Gods inte
nt for humanity in totality .
The only qualified teacher is the holy spirit therefore the. woridly being will never know its not qualifications
There are no contradictions in the Bible.
Bullshit
@Huhmongus Those are great questions. God is one....in 3. The trinity is Biblical. God is much more complex than humans are. He created us. They are 1 in 3 and 3 in 1. The trinity. God the Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8.
No commandments were "contradicted".
Job 37:23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
You are finite.... Almighty God is infinite.
@Huhmongus No it was not "added". The Trinity was there at the beginning!
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (Hebrew "Elohim") created the heaven and the earth.
"Elohim" is the plural name of the singular God. = Trinity. Check this out:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
@Huhmongus God the Father is speaking to the Holy Spirit and His Son Jesus. The trinity. There are no other gods at creation. There is only One: Elohim... 1 in 3 3 in 1 The Trinity.
@Huhmongus No one can explain it completely... That is where faith comes in... God is past finding out completely... If you knew all here was to know about God you would be God.
Ps.
The KJB (King James Bible) is the LEAST translated of all English versions.
Dont know why people are mad, say, bu...... and stuff there funny 😂😂😂
The bible has contradictions yes because it was written by man who is imperfect. But you have to know the difference between the word of God and the bible. The word of God is what we are to live by not by the bible but by what God says. The bible has the word of God in it but not everything written in the bible is what God said. So you have to know the difference between what God says in the bible and what man says in the bible. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word the proceeds from the mouth of God.
There are hundreds of real and apparent contradictions in the Bible. That's why we can't accept the Bible literally word for word. That's why Christians need the the infallible Teaching Authority ("magisterium") of the Church to guide us.
"How can I [know what the scriptures mean] unless some man show me?"
--Acts 8:31
In summary: don't try to apply the rules of syllogistic logic to ancient wisdom literature, as if it were merely a collection of premises to be taken at face value.
Word salad
How is it so that 🤔
Genesis 1:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This is before the explanation of the creation.
Something is there before the creation story.
When was Lucifer’s fall? Would it be in the name change to Satan? Which would be before the Garden of Eden. 🤷🏽♂️
And people do not get it 🤦🏽
The Garden of Eden was it protection for Adam and Eve? From whom?
Why did Cain receive a mark on his forehead? Whom was Cain afraid of?
Where did Cains wife come from?
Why will these teachers not go near this?
I call you out 😡
Genesis 4:13-17 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
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And know you know why the attacks are from the inside. The Lord is showing the world how evil it really is.
Also Genesis 1:28 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Replenish the earth before the flood.
They will say there is so many misinterpretation so that they have total control, to the alteration. Like the rules “they” (seeds of Satan) uphold us to, get do not comply. 😢
Get ready. They do not know what is coming 😢
This is the bible-
Genesis 9:3: Everything that lives and moves about will be food for. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Leviticus 11:10: But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you.
Leviticus 11:7-8: And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does a not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
So either God lied to you, or the author lied, either one the bible is full of contradictions.
Here is a little more, again the bible-
Numbers 23:19: God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (it means God does not regret)
Genesis 6:6: The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
So in the end... Does God regret or not. I can't believe people believe in the bible.
Ah, now I get it. If there's contradiction in the "holy" scriptures it's "sacredness". "And how dare you to challenge a people's sacredness."
Yep, that clarifies it all for me. :)
Meanwhile the contradictions remain there, so apparently what's holy for one isn't holy for another.
Which begs the question: Which holy version is than truely holy?
"Well, hum, there's an hierarchy..."
Oh yeah, who says so and based on what evidence?
Lol, keep on clarifying ... meanwhile I'll live my life and don't bother to call me when you got it worked out. :)
There is a religion with only 1 book and no contradictions, its not the bibel, most people would never think of reading this book but you should give it a go....The Quran
An omnipotent, omniscient, perfect god creating a book with contradictions. It sure doesn't sound right to me.
Lol
They now how to defend BULLSHYT!!!!!
Just beating about the bush. Either Bible is divinely written or not.
Would Jesus inherit David's throne? (a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32). (b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1:11, 1 Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David's throne (Jeremiah 36:30).
There are two different lineages through King David given in Matthew and Luke. Matthew gives the line that came from Solomon (which included Jehoiakim), and Luke gives the line that came from one of David's other sons, Nathan. People see these differing lineages as a contradiction, because they both use Joseph's name...but in ancient Jewish culture (as with most other cultures of the time), they would use the man's name for both his lineage and his wife's lineage. So the genealogy given in Luke must be Mary's family line. That means Jesus descended from Nathan and not from Solomon and Jehoiakim. Also, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, so He would not be related to King David through Joseph.
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The bible states that "God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow". Yet, in the old testament God commanded people to be stoned for sin. But in the New Testament, God apparently has a change of heart and sends his son to die for our sins. Either way, it seems that this God is a masochist.
they were two different situations , people don't understand that those harsh commandments were given to a special group of people , the people that entered Canaan , they were supposed to be a HOLY people given Yahweh DWELLED AMONGST THEM in the tabernacle ....all those seemingly foolish laws were made to protect the people from Yahweh's holiness since anyone that sinned and came in contact with the tabernacle or a holy object could be stricken dead on the spot. Women had to clean up after menstruating, anyone touching a dead corpse had to stay away from the tabernacle, a man that killed another man had to die himself and so on ...it was all to protect the rest of the population and in some cases the people involved from God's holiness. After the temple was destroyed there was no need for such harsh laws hence enter Jesus, the God sent replacement "animal sacrifice" once and forever to atone for sin. The "Jesus died for our sins" phrase is a little bit misunderstood: there were 2 sons of God that ever lived , only 2 : Adam and Jesus (son of God means direct creation of God without human hands) since Adam sinned and died in sprit , this original sin is passed on throughout the ages , we are all born into sin. Jesus by being free from sin at the time of his unjustified death and later resurrection he basically reversed the Adam curse. In the book of Revelation there is an operation taking place as an allegory , it's called the "wedding supper of the Lamb" , Jesus is seen "marrying" his church, as the groom. This is necessary for salvation because as I explained above Jesus is the ONLY SON OF GOD ALIVE RIGHT NOW, we are all copies of Adam and are hence destined to destruction as "aberrations" , by marrying someone the bible says they "become one flesh" . Becoming one flesh with Christ is how believers can become themselves "sons of God" and become eligible for eternal life with Christ. This is said to be "born again" or born in SPIRIT since our spirit is dead on birth, Jesus talked about this in the Gospels "let the dead bury their dead" -Mathew 8:22
to God we are all dead , he sent his son to give us a chance at life .
Hope it helps brother God bless.
@@AutotuneSucksBalls I've seen you responding to a lot of apparent contradictions in the comments, so maybe you can help me with this one. According to Matthew 28, when Mary Magdalene and the other Mary first went to the tomb they encountered and angel who told them that Jesus had risen, and then they saw Jesus on their way back. However, according to John 20:2, when Mary came back from the tomb she thought that someone had stolen the body. Can you tell me how to harmonize these accounts? Thanks
@@chad969 Ok thank you for your question I'll be happy to respond brother Chad. Well first of all let's make a chart of the events, then RECONCILE THE ENTIRE THING INTO ONE SINGLE ACCOUNT .. there's a fact you should know ...in each account there are DELIBERATE OMISSIONS or stuff being left out , it doesn't mean the story isn't true or it's contradictory it's just that some events were left out. For example if I told you the family and I went to the mall then which one of the following statements is a true statement? :
1. I went to the mall
2. I and the wife went to the mall
3. I the wife and kids went to the mall
Turns out ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE TRUE ...I just chose to omit some information .
Let's start with the gospel of John and list the events that took place:
1. Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb (notice no one else is mentioned but her) saw stone "having been removed" runs back to Peter and John and tells them "they've taken the body of the Lord ...."
2. Peter and John go to the tomb, John stood outside Peter entered ..then John entered and believed ...they went home , the original Hebrew says this tho...suggesting there could have been more than one trip to the tomb given it says "again"
biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20-10.htm
3. Mary however stood outside weeping , goes inside sees TWO ANGELS (ONE OF THEM WAS JESUS!!) the angel changed appearance into Jesus then Mary recognizes him , she then goes to tell the disciples I'VE SEEN THE LORD.
4 . Jesus appears to the disciples at their home the evening of that same day
Gospel of Matthew
1. Mary came to tomb WITH OTHER MARY
2. An angel had during the night caused an earthquake then rolled the stone then was sitting on it apparently when the women came to the tomb
3. Tell's them (the bible says "answered them" meaning a conversation had taken place before this statement that's not recorded in this gospel) . "He's not here He's risen , come see the place where he was lying, go tell disciples , He'll go BEFORE YOU to Galilee
4 . THEY (does not say Mary or any name just "they") ran to tell the disciples then Jesus appeared to them halfways down the way, they TOOK HOLD OF HIS FEET (this is important given in the Gospel of John Jesus told Mary NOT TO TOUCH HIM YET given he hadn't ascended to the Father yet) .
5. Angel told "them" go tell the BROTHERS OF ME , so they go to Galilee and there they will see me
Gospel of Mark
THIS ACCOUNT IS HIGHLY SUMMARIZED AND OMITS MANY DETAILS ....IT'S JUST LIKE A SHORT BRIEFING
1. 3 women are mentioned going to the tomb (Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome)
2. they saw stone was rolled away, entered the tomb and saw ONE YOUNG MAN IN WHITE ROBE (an angel)
3. Angel tells them Jesus has risen and to tell disciples and Peter and that he will go ahead of them into Galilee
4. They fled from tomb
Gospel of Luke NOTICE THAT THIS ACCOUNT WAS NOT AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT BUT AN ACCOUNT THAT LUKE WHO WAS A PHYSICIAN HAD GATHERED ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS IN ORDER TO PUT THE GOSPEL OF LUKE TOGETHER, THIS IS WHAT WAS TOLD TO HIM AND HE WROTE IT DOWN AS TOLD:
1. The "women" came to the tomb , found stone rolled away did not find body then two ANGELS stood beside them (one of them was Jesus but they didn't know)
2. Angels told them Jesus has risen then they reported this to the "eleven" and the "rest"
4. Now we have 3 names mentioned that went to Tomb : Mary Magdalene, Mary Mother of James , and another woman named Joanna (Ioanna in Greek) they tell the apostles what the angels said word by word ...they did not believe.
5. Peter goes to tomb, sees it empty and goes home puzzled
6. The account ends here.
So here you have the entire thing , it looks pretty convoluted I know but if we put some work into putting it together then everything makes sense. So here is what happened in the exact chronological order , notice Mary Magdalene (and friends) made TWO TRIPS TO SEE THE APOSTLES, amid the second trip they were intercepted by Jesus as we can see in the gospel of Matthew. Let's begin:
1. There was an Earthquake at night , the stone was rolled by an angel (ONE ANGEL ONLY) and Jesus ROSE FROM THE DEAD , but remained INSIDE THE TOMB AT ALL TIMES , the soldiers froze up (then fled)
2. Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, (plus Salome and Joanna) at least these four women showed up at the tomb , the gospel of John omits all of them but Mary Magdalene (probably because she's the one that spoke to Jesus) another gospel omits Joanna and adds Salome or perhaps it's the SAME WOMAN that had two names we don't know.
3. The angel (that was sitting on the stone) invited them to see the tomb was empty , there they saw a young man (ONE ANGEL , THE OTHER WAS SITTING ON THE STONE OUTSIDE) with shinny clothing inside..this was the resurrected Jesus in ANGEL FORM (therefore not recognizable to the women), this isn't unique to this account , there were several other accounts of Jesus not being able to be recognized by people , apparently he could change his appearance ...not even Peter and friends could recognize him at one point while EATING FISH WITH HIM. AT THIS POINT NOBODY RECOGNIZED JESUS , THE GOSPEL OF JOHN OMITS THIS FIRST EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE WOMEN AND THE ANGELS , IT JUST SAYS THAT THEY SAW THE EMPTY TOMB THEN TOOK OFF RUNNING TO TELL THE APOSTLES.
4. They ran out of the tomb and went to where Peter and John were , these two PLUS THE WOMEN came back to the tomb , THE WOMEN STAYED OUTSIDE WHILE THE TWO APOSTLES ENTERED THE TOMB.
5. Peter and John entered the Tomb , saw it was empty DID NOT BELIEVE YET (the bible says so) and went back home ....meanwhile the women were outside weeping (at least the bible says Mary Magdalene was)
6. Mary peeks into the tomb then sees two MEN (ANGELS) asks them where they thought the body of Jesus was, SHE WAS FACING THE ANGEL AT THE FEET OF JESUS'S BURIAL CLOTHES , then turns around when Jesus speaks to her and RECOGNIZES the talking angel is JESUS... HE tells her to go tell the disciples and to NOT TOUCH HIM YET.
7. On the way to go tell the disciples Jesus appears to them (Mary M. and the women) again , this time He let's them touch his feet.
8. LUKE 24:9 Tells us the account of the women telling the apostles that they had seen the resurrected Jesus but they did not believe them.
As you can see the story is true but with many omissions that are deliberate , God wants to test the faith of people ...many people have fallen for the scam that the gospels contradict each other when it isn't so ...IT'S A MATTER OF BELIEVING ....God bless brother , Peace to you.
@@chad969 Just in case you lost track of the answer to your question ....the first time Mary Magdalene was inside the tomb she talked to ONE angel that told her "the one you are looking for is not here but has risen"
after this she ran to tell the apostles that Jesus' body had been STOLEN, both the apostles and Mary Magdalene ran back to the tomb ...Peter and John did NOT SEE ANYONE INSIDE and left , Mary M. went inside again and recognized Jesus , he told her not to touch Him ...she ran again to tell the apostles she'd SEEN JESUS, but in the way there Jesus appeared to Her again and this time she touched his feet and He gave her some additional instructions...then she repeated exactly what Jesus had told her to the disciples who still didn't believe until Jesus appeared in the room suddenly then they believed.
Peace
@@AutotuneSucksBalls Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully and thoroughly address my question. I have some concerns regarding your explanation though.
As I’m sure you know, in Luke 1 Mary is visited by an angel who tells her that her child is going to be the son of the most high. Rather than responding with skepticism, she responds, “I am the Lord’s servant; may your word to me be fulfilled.” Later, the angel’s promise was vindicated through her virgin birth, at which point she had to have realized with full confidence that Jesus was the son of God. As if that wasn’t enough, Mary was surely aware of many of the miraculous deeds Jesus performed during his ministry. So now let’s fast forward to the day in question. Mary goes to the tomb, finds the stone rolled away and sees two angels whose appearance was light lightning and whose clothes were white as snow. It’s pretty clear from Luke that they realized these weren’t just ordinary men, as it says “In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground”. Considering Mary’s prior experience with angels, it’s hard to imagine that she wouldn’t have realized they were angels. They not only tell Mary and the other women that Jesus had been raised, they remind the women that Jesus had predicted his resurrection, “Then they remembered his words.” (Luke 24:8) Am I really to believe that even after her lifetime of miraculous experiences, and then being told by angels that Jesus had risen, Mary still thought that someone had stolen the body? Really? That’s almost as implausible as Mary seeing the resurrected Jesus on her way back and then reporting to Peter that the body had been stolen. What happened to the faithful Mary of Luke 1:38? If Mary can exhibit that kind of extreme skepticism towards the resurrection in the face of such strong evidence, and still be in god’s good graces, why can’t the rest of the worlds skeptics be given leniency for not believing on the basis of worse evidence than what Mary encountered? Sure, she eventually came to believe he rose, but only after seeing him resurrected with her own eyes. This is kind of a side issue, but why is it that if Mary or the disciples need to see the resurrected Jesus in order to believe (or in Thomas’s case, feel the wounds in his wrists) then they’re given the evidence they need, but if the rest of the worlds skeptics need the same evidence in order to believe, then they can all just go to hell? Anyways, back to the topic at hand.
Another problem I have with your explanation is that it seems to conflict with the intended meaning of the words “they” and “them” in Matthew 28:9-10, which says “8 And *_they_* left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples. 9 And behold, Jesus met *_them_* and greeted *_them._* And *_they_* came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.” You might disagree with me on this, but I think that authorial intent determines the meaning of a text. It certainly determines the *_intended_* meaning of a text, which is all that I'm concerned about as it pertains to contradictions. If we’re trying to figure out what the author of Matthew intended to convey by the words “they” and “them”, then we can’t look to the other gospels to answer that question, we have to look to the Gospel according to Matthew. The first verse of chapter 28 tells us exactly who those plural pronouns refer to. It says: “Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, *Mary* *Magdalene* *and* *the* *other* *Mary* came to look at the grave.” Now considering that verse, is it reasonable to think that the author of Matthew didn’t expect his readers to interpret the words “they” and “them” in verses in 8&9 as referring to both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary? Of course the author expected and intended for his readers to interpret it that way. Matthew only mentions two women going to the tomb. If you have two people and you take away one (in this case Magdalene) whoever is left can no longer be referred to with a plural pronoun. So why does Matthew use those plural pronouns if Mary Magdalene wasn’t part of the group that encountered the angel on their way back from the tomb? It’s true that according to other gospels there were other women there like Salome, and I’m not suggesting that the presence of other women at the tomb contradicts Matthews mention of only two. However, if we’re trying to determine what Matthew intends to convey to the reader by the words “they” and “them” then we can only look to Matthew to answer that specific question.
I realize you believe all the gospels were inspired by god, but if one were to go back in time and ask the human author of Matthew whether he intended for the words “they” and “them” to refer to the same women specified at the beginning of the chapter, what do you think he would say? It seems pretty clear to me that his answer would be ‘yes’, but I’d like to get your thoughts on that. Now lets say I grant that all the gospels are inspired by god. If God wanted Matthews readers to understand that Mary was not one of the women who saw Jesus on their way back from the tomb, why would God inspire Matthew to be written in such a way as to make the readers think the opposite? Why wouldn’t God just inspire a single verse in Matthew 28 to set the reader straight by clarifying that Mary departed from the other Mary before seeing Jesus? It seems like, if your explanation is correct, then Matthew isn’t just an incomplete segment of a larger story, it’s an extremely misleading account of what actually happened. I only say that because all of Matthew’s readers would come away from that gospel thinking that Magdalene was one of the women who Jesus appeared to on the way back from the tomb. Why wouldn’t God just provide a straightforward account of what happened instead of fragmenting the story into these various confusing puzzle pieces that many early Christians didn’t even have access to?
Hope I didn’t overload you with questions. Thanks again for the input on this interesting topic.
yes the bible is full of contradictions mistakes .and man adding
It depends on what you mean by "the bible" ...your KJV translation is going to have contradictions...that doesn't mean the original Hebrew , Greek or Aramaic have them as well , there is a lot of human error in the translations
@@MuhammadHosny0 can I see some examples??
John did not contradict himself read both of these passages in CONTEXT
“So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
John 5:19-24
“And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me. And whoever sees me sees him who sent me. I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. Now this looks like a contradiction but keep reading. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WILL JUDGE HIM ON THE LAST DAY. For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment-what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.””
John 12:44-50
So the son did not come to judge the world but to save it through his teachings take a look at Mathew 28:18
“And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.””
Matthew 28:18-20
So the world will be saved But the word that Jesus had spoken will judge the individual on the last day because when you’re dead you cease of being part of the world.
Easy.... it's mythology
lol these guys are BS especially Williams! He has to find a way to reconcile contradictions in the text with his faith and the belief of his faith that the biblical text is infallible. This is why I don't believe that one can be a committed, orthodox Christian and a biblical scholar at the same time. Not unless biblical scholar means "defender of the faith."
The Bible has no contradictions.
+Thunderboundstudios 2 Neither does the Koran, the Bhaghavad Gita, or the Book of Mormon. Show me one contradiction in those books and I'll explain it away just like Christians do. Two can play that game.
+Jonah Conner the problem is unlike the bible those books are not the truth
That's what they say about your holy book too. Religious people are like high schoolers arguing about who's girlfriend is prettiest. 100% opinion with no hard evidence.
Jonah Conner Lol...Show me how evidence can tell me how a girlfriend is pretty.
We do have evidence, is call "History" and "common sense" and "reason". Onlly ignorant people can say things like you, you have no idea. Therefore, you reject it.
That was hyperbole of course. My point was that just claiming that your religion is the true one is pointless if you don't give concrete evidence. The bible could be perfect but it's not, there could be actual miracles today but there aren't. Many things could prove one religion over another that simply don't happen.
A kingdom divided is what these comments suggest ? Didnt jesus say something about this ? And how many denominations of Christianity exists ? guess he was right cause i see religion loosing the argument on a 100 fronts , What a mess ...
Since you can obviously see these problems in Christianity, have u tried to approach and learn about Islam?
A verse in the Quran which mentions of the previous scriptures
Aal-e-Imran 3:3
نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَ
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
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@@mohammadazraazriazhar2170 i have read the Quran a few times , i tried to reconcile that it was a continuation of the the bible about the same God . it seems to say that the tora was accurate and those scriptures were god inspired but i still have many problems with the old testament God. its all a mess i cant seem to make sense of anymore . the bible was able to teach me to follow the truth wherever that may lead and at this point the coherence of these books and their theology leaves me confused . i wouldn't recommend anyone participate in anything other than trying to be a reasonably decent person . if they can find some truth about the claims these books make then participate privately . if anyone has read these books then they know what the threat to their supposed eternity is . if you can believe such things live your life accordingly to yourself and to god anything else is an imposition on others .
@@mohammadazraazriazhar2170 yes i did read and learn about being one who submits. i have to live my own life and get judged for whatever that might mean. not participate based on a perceived reward or punishment or its deceitful behavior none the less. i dont recommend the kiss ass lifestyle . fakes dont have any true lasting value .
@@shawnwill7652 brother ....can you please give me your concerns in a concise way? I may be able to help
Complete nonsense... Don't listen to these guys please. God is the God who is logical and created logical consistency otherwise we won't be thinking so. Most of the inconsistencies can be explained and understood simply by understanding the context in which it is in.
@Richard Fox of course there are a 101 contradictions if you read it with a highly skeptical mind. I can name differences that are even harder to reconcile then the ones you mentioned briefly and I have found there is always a reasonable explanation for everyone. Most importantly the death and ressurection of Christ is central to our faith and that is a verifiable event.
@Richard Fox these are eye witness accounts of the ressurected Christ. Yes I agree with you it is a matter of faith but a reasonable one. For one, if Christ didn't rise from the dead, the people at that time could have easily disproved it by producing the body. If it was a lie by his disciples, what did they stand to gain? All 11 of them under the pain of torture and death did not recant their testimony. The gospel writers included alot of information - names, places- so that the reader at that time and us now, can go about to verify their story and not simply take their word for it.
@Richard Fox there are prominent atheist who disagree with the points you made. They've looked into Christianity deeply and they don't dispute these are reliable documents written by eye witnesses. It is an established fact that Jesus Christ really lived and was crucified. Yes the disciples could have made up the whole story but I put it to you that it is reasonable to believe that they were telling the truth, they had really seen Christ. And Paul, what did he have to gain from testifying that he met with the Risen Christ? Why would a former persecutor join the ranks of the persecuted? Im just trying to say this is not a blind faith built on hearsay and superstition but a historical event. I don't believe people back then were gullible or less skeptical, and I really don't think a lie can survive the threat of death and torture.
@Richard Fox Jordan peterson? I could name you Lee Strobel, Cs Lewis but they converted to Christianity. I disagree, the wealth of evidence shows that from the earliest of times, Christians have always believed in a ressurected Christ...have you ever considered treating both sides of the argument with the same amount of skepticism? If you dig deep enough into the theory of evolution... The evidence doesn't exactly leave you beyond reasonable doubt that all life had a naturalistic origin
@Richard Fox you literally dug deep lol, thats really cool by the way and I like that you really studied these stuff and didn't simply read them off the internet. I believe the Scripture is inerrant and the aim of the Genesis account isn't meant to explain science and evolution. Its primary concern is to explain, in a concise manner, where humans came from and where it all went wrong. The 7 days of creation doesn't mention the big bang etc, its meant to explain the concept of the Sabbath day, as I understand it. 2 Peter 3:8 "...a thousand years is like a day to God". God is outside the limitations of time, and so the word "day" could mean periods of creation. God uses words that we can relate to in describing creation. I majored in Life Sciences and I came to a different conclusion from you. This is the statement that evolution makes - "Evolution occurred through genetic mutation, the changes occurred and accumulated over millions of years". This statement itself is an admission of the mathematical impossibility for one life-form to undergo the dramatic genetic changes needed to become another (e.g fish out of water). There is no mechanism to drive wholesale genetic changes. And why millions of years? Evolution is only possible when you provide it an infinite amount of chances. The chance of a life-form to accumulate those genetic changes, successfully pass it on again and again until it becomes something else - is like drawing a single Ace of spades out of a deck of million cards. It is only possible for you to draw that ace if you are allowed to draw a million times. thats describing the problem in the simplest of terms. I really dont know enough about archaelogy to comment on it, but I have read that there is very little evidence of transitional life-forms? more importantly, science never answered the important questions of life, like what is the meaning of life? Personally for me I found these answers in Christ.
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Bullshit.
A heap of bull
The way he sits there and casually lies about the contradictions in the Bible is mind-boggling. They know that they can no longer deny that there are contradictions and that's why the new cover up is, "the authors did that on purpose ". 🤦♂️
What book would you recommend?