Learning Finnish: My First Steps
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2022
- Sauli Luolajan-Mikkola provides a Finn's perspective as Jackson Crawford discusses his first week of trying to learn Finnish and his thoughts on the language.
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Tolkien said he struggled to learn Finnish, but described learning it as like "entering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before." It's cool seeing another linguist have a similar experience, struggling with it but being fascinated by how unique it is.
As a Finnish speaker myself I've never thought about these things. It's really eye-opening to see someone struggle somewhat with what I was given since birth, never had to work for it etc. Makes me appreciate it even more.
It is beautiful to see a talented linguist learning a new language. Cheers from Finland!
Branching out of Indo-European into the Uralic languages. Really cool.
Satyricon shirt, nice!
Does this mean we will get Crawford on the Kalevala?
Those two men talked about "vaimo" word, which means a wife in the modern Finnish. But that is a proto-Germanic loneword. The old Finnish word, which meant a wife was "sielu". But when our anchestors loned this "vaimo" to replace "sielu", they changed the meaning of "sielu" to be a soul. So the wife of a man is actually the soul of this man. Poetry..
"Imuroida" is some slang that I have not heard since the 80s or so. The standard word for download is "ladata" which means "load" (like a weapon) but also "charge" (like a phone battery). The same word can be used for uploading also.
Hyvinkää is the fennisised version of the Swedish place name Hyvinge. Hyvinge, on the other hand, is from an old personal name Hyvä which is derived from the Finnish adjective hyvä (”good”).
Finns actually pronounce double vowels like "kuusi" as a kind-of-diphthong where the pitch for the latter letter is slightly lower. That allows Finnish to be pronounced pretty fast without ending up mixing e.g. "kuusi" and "kusi". If you cannot do the diphthong with the same vowel, you can pronounce the vowel extra long and you'll be understood correctly, but you'll be instantly recognized as non-native speaker. In fact, now that I think about it, pretty much all diphthongs are pronounced with a downgoing pitch, for example "kuori" (shell or casing or bark), "hauki" (pike fish), "vuori" (mountain) all have the 3rd letter with lower pitch than the second letter.
Some potentially useful or interesting notes and additions to this conversation from a Finn and former linguistics major:
Haha tervetuloa! I've been learning Finnish for seven years now, and it's been a ride. It drives me crazy sometimes, but it has brought so many people and experiences into my life, and I will be forever grateful for it.
As a finn I would say:
This video is very helpful in understanding language construction in any language, but Finnish is especially fascination. Especially helpful for to watch an expert with his 'first steps.' Many thanks to you and Sauli.
I've studying Finnish for a few years now and do (mostly) weekly video chats with a Finnish friend. I'm always amazed at how often the partitiivi form of nouns is used. At least once a season I say something like. "Is that partitiivi?
Modelling life-long learning. 🙂
You're living one of my life's wishes - to learn this absolutely wonderful-sounding northern language. Damn, I'm green with envy. Your channel ist great and good luck with your learning!
I love your videos and this one hits closer to home for me than most. I'm an American of Finnish descent and have always found the language to be magically amazing. I keep telling myself that I will learn it, but I don't have anyone in my circles also interested to practice with.
I'm impressed that you Dr Crawford want to become familiar with Estonian and Finnish. Actually it also warms my heart! Thank you for sharing!